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Thread: Unable to run the TRU on an iMac using bootcamp

  1. #1

    Unable to run the TRU on an iMac using bootcamp

    I have a fancy new iMac, with a 3.0Ghz Core Duo and the Nvidia 8800GS graphics chip and 4GB of memory. The bootcamp system has more than enough diskspace (100GB) and is running Windows XP, with service pack 3 installed. Plenty of hardware to run the TRU demo, except that the demo doesn't run.

    After a complete install, with none of the issues referred to in these threads nor any of the issues seen in the tombraiderforums.com equivalent thread, I am unable to play the game at all.

    Upon starting the game, it immediately dies with one of those dialog boxes from windows telling you that the application has crashed, would you like to send a bug report to Microsoft. No window comes up, nothing

    The menu for the TRU demo does have an "analysis" option which works and runs to completion. As best I can tell, the hardware looks mighty good from TRU's perspective, but the game is a no go

    Anyone have some help or workarounds I can do to make it work?

    Thanks

  2. #2
    Here is some more information from windows on the crash. NOTE: Windows made me type it in, I couldn't copy and paste from the crash information So I just typed in the most important information I could find...

    Exception Information
    Code: 0xc0000005 Flags: 0x00000000
    Record: 0x0000000000000000 Address: 0x000000007ff80153

    [snip the module list]
    Thread 1 EIP: 0x7c90e4f4 [module: ntdll.dll]
    [snip tons of data being dumped]

  3. #3
    One more bit of data. Here is the dump from the tomb raider analysis tool:

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    Diagnostic tool developed for www.tombraiderforums.com
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    Version : 2.44
    Author : Simulation

    Select All (Ctrl A) then Copy (Ctrl C) and paste (Ctrl V) the text in Notepad into a reply on the forum.

    Operating System
    Code:
    Windows XP Detected
    
    COMMAND.COM
    COMMAND.COM has been installed
    
    Autoexec.NT 
    @echo off
    lh %SystemRoot%\system32\mscdexnt.exe
    lh %SystemRoot%\system32\redir
    lh %SystemRoot%\system32\dosx
    SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 P330 T3
    
    Config.NT
    dos=high, umb
    device=%SystemRoot%\system32\himem.sys
    files=40
    
    Programs Currently Running
    
    Image Name                   PID Session Name     Session#    Mem Usage
    ========================= ====== ================ ======== ============
    System Idle Process            0 Console                 0         28 K
    System                         4 Console                 0        240 K
    smss.exe                     800 Console                 0        388 K
    csrss.exe                    876 Console                 0      3,424 K
    winlogon.exe                 968 Console                 0      3,640 K
    services.exe                1016 Console                 0      3,368 K
    lsass.exe                   1028 Console                 0      1,524 K
    svchost.exe                 1192 Console                 0      4,748 K
    svchost.exe                 1240 Console                 0      4,448 K
    svchost.exe                 1280 Console                 0     24,884 K
    svchost.exe                 1416 Console                 0      3,476 K
    svchost.exe                 1444 Console                 0      4,604 K
    spoolsv.exe                 1756 Console                 0      4,828 K
    explorer.exe                2020 Console                 0     17,336 K
    rundll32.exe                 272 Console                 0      3,496 K
    IRW.exe                      384 Console                 0      2,476 K
    KbdMgr.exe                   376 Console                 0      4,412 K
    rundll32.exe                 368 Console                 0      3,512 K
    RTHDCPL.exe                  412 Console                 0     21,768 K
    iTunesHelper.exe             456 Console                 0      8,300 K
    ctfmon.exe                   468 Console                 0      3,492 K
    procexp.exe                  484 Console                 0     12,468 K
    AppleMobileDeviceService.   1368 Console                 0      2,264 K
    AppleOSSMgr.exe             1380 Console                 0      1,420 K
    AppleTimeSrv.exe            1400 Console                 0      2,076 K
    mDNSResponder.exe           1472 Console                 0      3,556 K
    svchost.exe                 1540 Console                 0      3,236 K
    nvsvc32.exe                 1072 Console                 0      4,048 K
    svchost.exe                 1940 Console                 0      4,432 K
    iPodService.exe             1952 Console                 0      3,864 K
    alg.exe                     2304 Console                 0      3,508 K
    firefox.exe                 2844 Console                 0     65,176 K
    wmiprvse.exe                3152 Console                 0      4,812 K
    diagnose.exe                3252 Console                 0      3,900 K
    ns4.tmp                     3272 Console                 0        972 K
    cmd.exe                     2572 Console                 0      1,412 K
    tasklist.exe                3296 Console                 0      4,420 K
    wmiprvse.exe                 120 Console                 0      5,640 K
    System Event Log - Warning and Errors Only (last 24hrs)
    Code:
    Event Log from 08:00am on the 07/11/2008
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Listing the events in 'system' log of host 'CAMPER'
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Type          Event  Date Time                Source            ComputerName   Category        User                 Description
    ------------- ------ ------------------------ ----------------- -------------- --------------- -------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    error         7000   11/8/2008 4:31:36 PM     Service Control M CAMPER         None            N/A                  The Parallel port driver service failed to start due to the following error:  The service cannot be started, either because it is disabled or because it has no enabled devices associated with it.
    warning       18     11/9/2008 12:31:09 AM    BTHUSB            CAMPER         None            N/A                  Windows cannot store Bluetooth link keys on the local transceiver because it cannot determine whether proper security is enabled for the device.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Listing the events in 'application' log of host 'CAMPER'
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Type          Event  Date Time                Source            ComputerName   Category        User                 Description
    ------------- ------ ------------------------ ----------------- -------------- --------------- -------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    error         1000   11/8/2008 4:33:13 PM     Application Error CAMPER         None            N/A                  Faulting application tru.exe, version 1.0.0.0, faulting module unknown, version 0.0.0.0, fault address 0x7ff80153.
    error         1001   11/8/2008 4:33:16 PM     Application Error CAMPER         None            N/A                  Fault bucket 992496245.
    Tomb Raider Game Setup Information
    Code:
    Tomb Raider: Legend Installed 
    Installed in C:\Program Files\Tomb Raider - Legend
    trl.exe File Size = 16805888 bytes - Version - European Patch 1.1 
    
    Registry Settings
    Full Install - True
    Version 257
    Language - English
    EAXSupport Disabled
    Disable 32Bit Textures......... Off
    Disable Driver Management...... Off
    Disable Dynamic Textures....... On
    Disable Hardware DXTC.......... Off
    Disable Hardware Shadow Maps... Off
    Disable Hardware VP............ Off
    Disable Non Pow2 Textures...... Off
    Disable Null Render Targets.... Off
    Dont Defer Shader Creation..... Off
    Enable Depth Of Field.......... On
    Enable FSAA.................... On
    Enable Full screen Effects..... On
    EnableReflection............... On
    Enable Shadows................. On
    Enable VSync................... Off
    Enable Water FX................ On
    Full screen.................... On
    UseD3DFPUPreserve.............. Off
    Use Low Res Depth Of Field..... Off
    Use Ref Device................. Off
    Use Shader20................... Off
    Use Shader30................... On
    
    Tomb Raider: Underworld Demo Installed 
    Installed in C:\Program Files\Eidos\Tomb Raider - Underworld Demo
    tru.exe File Size = 11600880 bytes - Version - Original Download Version (1.0)
    
    Registry Settings
    InstallType - 0
    Version 256
    Language - English
    SKUType TRU DEMO
    AlwaysRenderZPassFirst......... Off
    AtiForceFetch4................. Off
    CreateGameFourCC............... Off
    Disable 32Bit Textures......... Off
    Disable Driver Management...... Off
    Disable Dynamic Textures....... Off
    Disable Hardware DXTC.......... Off
    Disable Hardware Shadow Maps... Off
    Disable Hardware VP............ Off
    Disable Non Pow2 Textures...... Off
    Disable Null Render Targets.... Off
    Disable Pure Device............ Off
    Dont Defer Shader Creation..... Off
    EnableDepthOfField ............ Off
    Enable Full screen Effects..... Off
    EnableReflection............... Off
    Enable Shadows................. Off
    EnableTripleBuffer............. Off
    EnableVolumetricFX............. Off
    Enable VSync................... Off
    Enable Water FX................ Off
    Full screen.................... Off
    LockedWindowHeight............. 
    LockedWindowWidth.............. 
    PresentationIntervalTwo........ Off
    UseD3DFPUPreserve.............. Off
    UseLowResDepthOfField ......... Off
    UseRefDevice................... Off
    DirectX Diagnostics Report
    Code:
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    System Information
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    Time of this report: 11/8/2008, 16:37:48
           Machine name: CAMPER
       Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.080814-1236)
               Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
           System Model: iMac8,1
                   BIOS: Default System BIOS
              Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8435  @ 3.06GHz (2 CPUs)
                 Memory: 3052MB RAM
              Page File: 280MB used, 4657MB available
            Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
        DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
         DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode
    
    ------------
    DxDiag Notes
    ------------
      DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
          Display Tab 1: No problems found.
          Display Tab 2: No problems found.
            Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
              Music Tab: No problems found.
              Input Tab: No problems found.
            Network Tab: No problems found.
    
    --------------------
    DirectX Debug Levels
    --------------------
    Direct3D:    0/4 (n/a)
    DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
    DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
    DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
    DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
    DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)
    
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    Display Devices
    ---------------
            Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS
         Manufacturer: NVIDIA
            Chip type: GeForce 8800 GS
             DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
           Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0609&SUBSYS_00A7106B&REV_A2
       Display Memory: 512.0 MB
         Current Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz)
              Monitor: 
      Monitor Max Res: 
          Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
       Driver Version: 6.14.0011.6763 (English)
          DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
     Driver Date/Size: 2/8/2008 10:01:45, 5773696 bytes
          WHQL Logo'd: n/a
      WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
                  VDD: n/a
             Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
        Mini VDD Date: 4/15/2008 14:36:04, 7438144 bytes
    Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4549-11CF-B069-AC2003C2CB35}
            Vendor ID: 0x10DE
            Device ID: 0x0609
            SubSys ID: 0x00A7106B
          Revision ID: 0x00A2
          Revision ID: 0x00A2
          Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A 
     Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                       {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
                       {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                       {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
                       {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                       {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
                       {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                       {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
             Registry: OK
         DDraw Status: Enabled
           D3D Status: Enabled
           AGP Status: Enabled
    DDraw Test Result: Not run
     D3D7 Test Result: Not run
     D3D8 Test Result: Not run
     D3D9 Test Result: Not run
    
            Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS
         Manufacturer: NVIDIA
            Chip type: GeForce 8800 GS
             DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
           Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0609&SUBSYS_00A7106B&REV_A2
       Display Memory: 512.0 MB
         Current Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz)
              Monitor: 
      Monitor Max Res: 
          Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
       Driver Version: 6.14.0011.6763 (English)
          DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
     Driver Date/Size: 2/8/2008 10:01:45, 5773696 bytes
          WHQL Logo'd: n/a
      WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
                  VDD: n/a
             Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
        Mini VDD Date: 4/15/2008 14:36:04, 7438144 bytes
    Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4549-11CF-B069-AC2003C2CB35}
            Vendor ID: 0x10DE
            Device ID: 0x0609
            SubSys ID: 0x00A7106B
          Revision ID: 0x00A2
          Revision ID: 0x00A2
          Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A 
     Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                       {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
                       {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                       {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
                       {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                       {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
                       {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive 
                       {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch 
             Registry: OK
         DDraw Status: Enabled
           D3D Status: Enabled
           AGP Status: Enabled
    DDraw Test Result: Not run
     D3D7 Test Result: Not run
     D3D8 Test Result: Not run
     D3D9 Test Result: Not run
    
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    Sound Devices
    -------------
                Description: Realtek HD Audio output
     Default Sound Playback: Yes
     Default Voice Playback: Yes
                Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0885&SUBSYS_106B3E00&REV_1001
            Manufacturer ID: 1
                 Product ID: 100
                       Type: WDM
                Driver Name: RtkHDAud.sys
             Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5512 (English)
          Driver Attributes: Final Retail
                WHQL Logo'd: n/a
              Date and Size: 4/15/2008 14:36:37, 4625408 bytes
                Other Files: 
            Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
             HW Accel Level: Full
                  Cap Flags: 0x0
        Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
    Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
     Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
                  HW Memory: 0
           Voice Management: No
     EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
       I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
    Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
                   Registry: OK
          Sound Test Result: Not run
    
    ---------------------
    Sound Capture Devices
    ---------------------
                Description: Realtek HD Digital input
      Default Sound Capture: Yes
      Default Voice Capture: Yes
                Driver Name: RtkHDAud.sys
             Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5512 (English)
          Driver Attributes: Final Retail
              Date and Size: 4/15/2008 14:36:37, 4625408 bytes
                  Cap Flags: 0x0
               Format Flags: 0x0
    
                Description: Realtek HD Audio Input
      Default Sound Capture: No
      Default Voice Capture: No
                Driver Name: RtkHDAud.sys
             Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5512 (English)
          Driver Attributes: Final Retail
              Date and Size: 4/15/2008 14:36:37, 4625408 bytes
                  Cap Flags: 0x0
               Format Flags: 0x0
    
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    DirectMusic
    -----------
            DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
         DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
        Acceleration: n/a
               Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
                      Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                      Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
            Registry: OK
         Test Result: Not run
    
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    DirectInput Devices
    -------------------
          Device Name: Mouse
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: n/a
    Vendor/Product ID: n/a
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: Keyboard
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: n/a
    Vendor/Product ID: n/a
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: Logitech USB Keyboard
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC30A
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: Logitech USB Keyboard
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC30A
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: Belkin UPS
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x050D, 0x0551
            FF Driver: n/a
    
          Device Name: Apple IR Receiver
             Attached: 1
        Controller ID: 0x0
    Vendor/Product ID: 0x05AC, 0x8242
            FF Driver: n/a
    
    Poll w/ Interrupt: No
             Registry: OK
    
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    USB Devices
    -----------
    + USB Root Hub
    | Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x2832
    | Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
    | Service: usbhub
    | Driver: usbhub.sys, 4/13/2008 10:45:37, 59520 bytes
    | Driver: usbd.sys, 8/4/2004 04:00:00, 4736 bytes
    | 
    +-+ Apple IR Receiver
    | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x05AC, 0x8242
    | | Location: IR Receiver
    | | Matching Device ID: usb\vid_05ac&pid_8242
    | | Lower Filters: IRRemoteFlt
    | | Service: HidUsb
    | | Driver: hidusb.sys, 4/13/2008 10:45:27, 10368 bytes
    | | Driver: hidclass.sys, 4/13/2008 10:45:26, 36864 bytes
    | | Driver: hidparse.sys, 4/13/2008 10:45:22, 24960 bytes
    | | Driver: hid.dll, 4/13/2008 16:11:54, 20992 bytes
    | | Driver: IRFilter.sys, 2/8/2008 09:56:41, 16512 bytes
    | | Driver: IRW.exe, 2/8/2008 09:56:41, 147456 bytes
    | | Driver: WdfCoInstaller01005.dll, 2/8/2008 09:56:41, 1419232 bytes
    | | 
    | +-+ HID-compliant consumer control device
    | | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x05AC, 0x8242
    | | | Matching Device ID: hid_device_up:000c_u:0001
    | | | Driver: hidserv.dll, 4/13/2008 16:11:54, 21504 bytes
    
    ----------------
    Gameport Devices
    ----------------
    
    ------------
    PS/2 Devices
    ------------
    + HID Keyboard Device
    | Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC30A
    | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
    | Service: kbdhid
    | Driver: kbdhid.sys, 4/13/2008 10:39:48, 14592 bytes
    | Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 10:39:47, 24576 bytes
    | 
    + Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
    | Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
    | Upper Filters: kbdclass
    | Service: TermDD
    | Driver: termdd.sys, 4/13/2008 16:13:20, 40840 bytes
    | Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 10:39:47, 24576 bytes
    | 
    + HID-compliant mouse
    | Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC30A
    | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
    | Service: mouhid
    | Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 10:39:47, 23040 bytes
    | Driver: mouhid.sys, 8/4/2004 04:00:00, 12160 bytes
    | 
    + HID-compliant mouse
    | Vendor/Product ID: 0x0000, 0x0030
    | Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
    | Service: mouhid
    | Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 10:39:47, 23040 bytes
    | Driver: mouhid.sys, 8/4/2004 04:00:00, 12160 bytes
    | 
    + Terminal Server Mouse Driver
    | Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
    | Upper Filters: mouclass
    | Service: TermDD
    | Driver: termdd.sys, 4/13/2008 16:13:20, 40840 bytes
    | Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 10:39:47, 23040 bytes
    
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    DirectPlay Service Providers
    ----------------------------
    DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
    DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
    DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
    DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
    Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
    IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
    Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
    Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
    
    DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Not run, Half Duplex: Not run, Mic: Not run
    DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
    Registry: OK
    
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    DirectPlay Adapters
    -------------------
    DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Wireless Network Connection - IPv4 - 
    
    -----------------------
    DirectPlay Voice Codecs
    -----------------------
    Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
    Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
    Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
    MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
    MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
    Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
    TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s
    
    -------------------------
    DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
    -------------------------
    
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    Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
    ------------------------
          Drive: C:
     Free Space: 73.0 GB
    Total Space: 104.0 GB
    File System: NTFS
          Model: WDC WD5000AAKS-40YGA1
    
          Drive: D:
          Model: MAT****A DVD-R   UJ-875
         Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:40:46, 62976 bytes
    
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    System Devices
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         Name: Mobile Intel(R) PM965/GM965/GL960 Express PCI Express Root Port - 2A01
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2A01&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&08
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:36:44, 68224 bytes
    
         Name: Mobile Intel(R) PM965/GM965/GL960 Express Processor to DRAM Controller - 2A00 
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2A00&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&00
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Intel(R) ICH8M Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 2850
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2850&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&F9
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 12:51:52, 3328 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:40:29, 24960 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:40:30, 96512 bytes
    
         Name: Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition Audio
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_284B&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&D8
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\hdaudbus.sys, 5.10.0001.5013 (English), 4/13/2008 08:36:05, 144384 bytes
    
         Name: Intel(R) ICH8 Family PCI Express Root Port 6 - 2849
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2849&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&E5
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:36:44, 68224 bytes
    
         Name: Intel(R) ICH8 Family PCI Express Root Port 5 - 2847
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2847&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&E4
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:36:44, 68224 bytes
    
         Name: Intel(R) ICH8 Family PCI Express Root Port 4 - 2845
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2845&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&E3
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:36:44, 68224 bytes
    
         Name: Intel(R) ICH8 Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 283F
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_283F&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&E0
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:36:44, 68224 bytes
    
         Name: Intel(R) ICH8 Family SMBus Controller - 283E
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_283E&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&FB
       Driver: n/a
    
         Name: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_283A&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&D7
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:35, 30208 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:36, 143872 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 16:12:08, 74240 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:37, 59520 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\hccoin.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 16:11:54, 7168 bytes
    
         Name: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2836&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&EF
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:35, 30208 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:36, 143872 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 16:12:08, 74240 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:37, 59520 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\hccoin.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 16:11:54, 7168 bytes
    
         Name: Standard Universal PCI to USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2835&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&D1
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:35, 20608 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:36, 143872 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 16:12:08, 74240 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:37, 59520 bytes
    
         Name: Standard Universal PCI to USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2834&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&D0
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:35, 20608 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:36, 143872 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 16:12:08, 74240 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:37, 59520 bytes
    
         Name: Standard Universal PCI to USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2832&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&EA
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:35, 20608 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:36, 143872 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 16:12:08, 74240 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:37, 59520 bytes
    
         Name: Standard Universal PCI to USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2831&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&E9
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:35, 20608 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:36, 143872 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 16:12:08, 74240 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:37, 59520 bytes
    
         Name: Standard Universal PCI to USB Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2830&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&E8
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbuhci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:35, 20608 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:36, 143872 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 16:12:08, 74240 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:45:37, 59520 bytes
    
         Name: Intel(R) ICH8M 3 port Serial ATA Storage Controller - 2828
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2828&SUBSYS_00A0106B&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&FA
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 12:51:52, 3328 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:40:29, 24960 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:40:30, 96512 bytes
    
         Name: Intel(R) ICH8M-E LPC Interface Controller - 2815
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2815&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_03\3&B1BFB68&0&F8
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\isapnp.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:36:41, 37248 bytes
    
         Name: Intel(R) 82801 PCI Bridge - 2448
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2448&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_F3\3&B1BFB68&0&F0
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:36:44, 68224 bytes
    
         Name: Broadcom 802.11n Network Adapter
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_14E4&DEV_4328&SUBSYS_008C106B&REV_05\4&139D1158&0&00E4
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\BCMWL5.SYS, 4.170.0025.0012 (English), 2/8/2008 09:58:26, 1123328 bytes
    
         Name: OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_11C1&DEV_5901&SUBSYS_590011C1&REV_06\4&1B09A299&0&00E3
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\ohci1394.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:46:18, 61696 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\1394bus.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:46:18, 53376 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nic1394.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:51:25, 61824 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\arp1394.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 10:51:25, 60800 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\enum1394.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/17/2001 05:46:40, 6400 bytes
    
         Name: Marvell Yukon 88E8058 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_11AB&DEV_436A&SUBSYS_00BA11AB&REV_13\4&C308017&0&00E5
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\yk51x86.sys, 10.12.0007.0003 (English), 2/8/2008 10:00:34, 255232 bytes
    
         Name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0609&SUBSYS_00A7106B&REV_A2\4&239D83FF&0&0008
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nv4_mini.sys, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:04, 7438144 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nv4_disp.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 2/8/2008 10:01:45, 5773696 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:10, 155716 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvapi.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 2/8/2008 10:01:45, 389120 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvoglnt.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:10, 6893568 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcpl.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:06, 8527872 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmctray.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 2/8/2008 10:01:50, 81920 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvwddi.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:12, 81920 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvnt4cpl.dll, 6.14.0010.11147 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:10, 286720 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmccs.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:08, 229376 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvdisps.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:07, 6553600 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvdispsr.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:07, 5607424 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvgames.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:08, 3420160 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvgamesr.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:08, 3330048 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmccss.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:09, 188416 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmccssr.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:09, 458752 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmobls.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:09, 1228800 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvmoblsr.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:09, 2854912 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvvitvs.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:11, 3710976 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvvitvsr.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:11, 3715072 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvwss.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:13, 2498560 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvwssr.dll, 6.14.0011.6763 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:13, 2519040 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\help\nvcpl.hlp, 4/15/2008 14:36:06, 177897 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\help\nvwcplen.hlp, 4/15/2008 14:36:12, 55444 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcod.dll, 1.00.0000.0035 (English), 2/8/2008 10:01:45, 35328 bytes
       Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcodins.dll, 1.00.0000.0035 (English), 4/15/2008 14:36:05, 35328 bytes
    
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  4. #4
    MAC hardware isn't supported for the game, buy a PC with PC hardware and proper driver support for it under Windows then you might get somewhere. Also, Bootcamp is software emulation, the game isn't designed for use like this either.

    Otherwise, wait for someone like Aspyr to pick up the license for it and make a MAC version.
    Maxx_Fire

  5. #5
    Bootcamp is not software emulation, just to be clear. Windows XP is running entirely native, with no virtualization software running at all (maybe you have bootcamp confused with products like Vmware Fusion or Parallel's Desktop, which are Mac software products that support emulation).

    Note that Tomb Raider Legend plays perfectly fine, and at amazing framerates even in "next-gen" mode.

    Also, in this post http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=82816, the poster has the exact same crash I'm seeing in ntdll.dll, though his hardware is a "PC with PC hardware".

    Tomb Raider Underworld demo seems to be a botch job, sadly

    I was hoping to enjoy it while waiting for the Mac port, if any. Tomb Raider Anniversary for the Mac plays great on this same hardware.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    3
    This thread is half a year old, but I thought I'd answer nevertheless, because it's the only thread turning up in Google when searching for "tru.exe 0x7ff80153" but there's no solution.

    Short answer to this problem is: This 0x7ff80153 error is caused when Process Explorer is running. You have to reboot your machine w/o Process Explorer running (disable it in Autorun if necessary). Once Process Explorer was run you are unable to run the demo. This probably is true for other process utilites (e.g. Process Monitor) as well.

    Long answer: I've downloaded the TRU demo and had the exact same problem: It won't launch, tru.exe crashes with this 0x7ff80153 error no matter what. I didn't know why or what to do and no one seemed to have a solution.
    I also downloaded TR Anniversary demo and when I tried to launch it, it complained that "A required security module can not be activated" and gave me this link http://www.securom.com/message.asp?m...e&c=5024+&l=en, where it says that a Process Explorer is running and that you should close it and reboot.
    Reboot I thought? Haha. Ok, I'll close it and try again. Same error. I resigned and rebooted. I have Process Explorer in my Autorun, so it was started automatically. I closed it before I started TR Anniversary the first time. Same error. *grrr* Ok... I disabled it in Autorun and rebooted. Heureka!

    This made me suspicious. TRA works, could it be that now I could run TRU as well? Indeed!!! So it's all about this SecuROM copy protection ***** (which apparently is messed up in TRU and just crashes the application when it doesn't like something). BTW: Apart from that very, very, very inconvenient error TRU was running very stable (though very slowly as well; haven't got the fastest machine).
    There has to be a flag or so that's initially 0 and set to 1 once some kind of process utility is launched and stays 1 until you reboot. And if it's set to 1 this SecuROM crap won't start. All in all very sad because I love Process Explorer and have it running all the time. Comes in handy so often...

    So I got TRU running and remembered this thread where someone had the same problem and no solution. I wondered if there was a process list attached to this thread: yes. And if procexp.exe is listed as running: yes again. That made it pretty clear to me, that 0x7ff80153 means Process Explorer is running.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    3
    I found out that the problem was that Process Explorer loads a Kernel driver an startup that can't (couldn't) be unloaded without restarting, and SecuROM doesn't like that driver because you could use it to get a catch on the evil things that it does...

    In newer Process Explorer versions (I think from version 11 on) this has been changed. You don't have to reboot any more, just close Process Explorer and the game will run.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    3,270
    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx_Fire View Post
    MAC hardware isn't supported for the game, buy a PC with PC hardware and proper driver support for it under Windows then you might get somewhere.
    You're an idiot.... cause you think people crap money....I really hate people with advice like that....
    And if you knew anything abut Macs, you would know that Bootcamp isn't a software emulation...

    Hey, Crofty Raider, if you haven't solved the problem, go to this YT channel:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/1araCr0ft

    He/She told me that he/she played the game on a mac using bootcamp... so ask him/her for advice...

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