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Why does the BB range SUCK?

  1. #26
    In Navyfield, QE is my favourite ship, Revenge close second.

    Then, County for HMAS Shropshire.


    It should be noted that the British and Commonwealth forces were lucky not to be severely stretched by the Japan after the losses of Repulse and Prince of Wales in the Indian Ocean in 1941. Prince of Wales had only been on the seas for half a year! Then HMAS Canberra of the County class was sunk in the Iron Bottom Sound in Guadacanal. HMAS Shropshire was commisioned to replace her.


    My granny's sister - her husband was on HMS Barham. He was one of the few survivors.
    Barham was one of these older, "World War One" ships, but it still packed a huge punch.
    The Meditteranean was a tense, tight theatre for the BB.... constantly threatened by both submarines and aerial bombardment.
    Barham served alongside the QE in the Med. It was torpedoed by an Italian submarine and blew up with few survivors.

    I've got some of his naval history books, interesting stuff.

    Oh, and I also met a Shropshire survivor (it had a "scratch-free" life, actually!) a year ago in Australia. He operated a 4" turret. Sister ship HMAS Australia was a favourite target for Kamikazes, and sustained (I think) the most kamikaze attacks for any ship in the entire second world war (she survived and missed the end of the war).

  2. #27
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    Yes, i agree. i did a little research on the Warspite. (Italians weren't quite caught up in modern warfare.) The shropshire is a beautiful ship, i just did research as i read the post. But still the warspite was built almost 30 years befire the second world war began.

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    Battleship range does need improvement

    Yes The Battleship does need more range. It should be able to hit any enemy before they get in range WITHOUT a problem.... well execpt a carrier . But really .. im playing as the Yamato ( best ship ever ) and I have to wait SOOOO long before I can get a shot off on some destroyers that are closing VERY fast on me. By the time they get within range of my 18 inch guns, they are only a little bit out of range of me... so I get about 2 shots off, before that ship starts shooting back. Whole point of a battleship is to pound the #$% out of people before they can hit you.

  4. #29
    Originally Posted by Cpt.sharp
    Read the post it says



    Not only was Missoury stationary but allso shooting at land based targets that dont move.




    Rather outdated?

    lets look at her career.

    She was built in 1913.
    the QE class was the first Fast battleships ever made. First to have Bulge armour and first to have 15" guns.

    She was at the battle of Jutland. At a crucial moment in the battle, as the two enormous fleets approached one another, the Warspite's steering gear broke down completely, and she turned circles under heavy fire from no fewer than seven German battleships. Onlookers called it 'Windy Corner', for they were certain that she was about to be sunk, but the gallant Warspite emerged with all guns firing, and full of fight. She took 13 hits. when they repaired her rudder damage she joined up with the rest of the fleet and continued fighting until she was order to withdraw due to her damage (13 hits is quite allot).

    During WW2 she took part in the second battle of narvik. she was the flagship in the Mediterranean. She stayed afloat though countless bombing attacks. She took on two Italian modern battleships on her own (the two other battleships she was with were slower then she was and could not catch up with her during this battle)

    At Cape Mattapan she in affect put the end to the Italian navy presences in the med.

    She is credited with the longest ranged shot on a moving target at sea.

    She served in the Indian ocean to track down and sink the jap fleet that attacked pearl harbour (the japs left the Indian ocean before the RN found them)

    She took heavy damage by a glider bomb and almost sunk.

    She bombarded, Crete, Scilly, Italy, Normandy.

    She was Sent to scrap in 1947 but run aground so was unable to be sent to the scrap yard and had to be taken apart over the next 3 years institute.

    See earned 25 battle honours. (enterprise only earned 20)

    She was the best Ship the Royal navy ever had. it was a shame she was scraped.


    When she was created she was the most powerful ship in the world.
    When she was scraped she was considered to be among them still.

    So no, she was not out dated. She was in her prime.


    Any community, whether its roots draw life from the ocean, or whether it only has a promenade facing the high water, would be honoured to lay claim to such a ship whose destiny was to be at the pivotal point of ideology clashes throughout the world, thereby being in action and an influence on world changing events, emerging with a singularly impressive history, aura and dogged determination to survive. Having engaged in deadly battle in many spheres of operation, suffering damage on several occasions, she ended her working life surviving seemingly against all odds, and despite her enemies' best endeavours to end her career early by any means at their disposal, would choose to lay up on the foreshore hauling down her colours for the last time, entrusting her spirit and those of her fallen crew and shipmates into safekeeping for all time. A true Icon for all time.
    warspite? this forum is for pacific combat not the med in europe the warspite was hardly used after it was hit by a german fx1400 guided bomb on sept 16, 1943. she was hit by a mine in june 13, 44 speed then reduced to 15.5 knotts. she ended the war as a bombardment ship.

  5. #30
    any way
    the game does have one problem and its the battleships.
    the new york class battleship are the new york bb34 and texas bb35
    the arizona is apart of the pennsylvania class of battleship included are pennsylvania bb38 arizona bb39
    all four above have 14inch guns
    iowa class iowa bb61 new jersey bb62 missouri bb63 wisconsin bb64
    these 4 ships armed with 9-16in guns
    at pearl harbor there where california west virginia maryland tennessee west virginia arizona nevada pennsylvania
    i wished the game had made these right. the game is awesome but these stick out in my mind the US battleships are all wrong
    other class battleships include the tennessee class both tennseess and california
    new mexico class new mexico mississsippi idaho
    nevada class nevada oklahoma
    colorado class colorado maryland washington west virginia
    north carolina class north carolina washington
    south dakota class south dakota indiana massachusetts alabama
    alaska class alaska guam

  6. #31
    the royal navy did have an 18 in gun on a battle cruiser the hms furious had 2 18 inch guns but was converted to a carrier in 1917

  7. #32
    warspite? this forum is for pacific combat not the med in europe the warspite was hardly used after it was hit by a german fx1400 guided bomb on sept 16, 1943. she was hit by a mine in june 13, 44 speed then reduced to 15.5 knotts. she ended the war as a bombardment ship.

    if you read the thread you will notice i was stating that Warspite had the longest range hit on a moving target. (as it is a thread about BB range) then someone replyed about the Iowa class and that was another reply. Nothing about weather or not warspite was in the Pasific. (she was in the indian ocean like POW and Repluse were (and they are in the game )

  8. #33
    The Battleships do need alittle more range, Its hard to get off 2 rounds before a DD is in range of you.

  9. #34
    i read in a guiness book of records that the longest hit was a british battleship and a german one, they each fired and hit each other from 15 miles away, and both at full speeds...its pretty amazing ..or lucky
    Battleship\

    (Nav.) An armor-plated man-of-war built of steel and heavily armed, generally having from ten thousand to fifteen thousand tons displacement, and intended to be fit to meet the heaviest ships in line of battle.
    Destroyer\

    A small, fast, highly maneuverable warship armed with guns, torpedoes, depth charges, and guided missiles.


    http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7...edragon6wz.gif

  10. #35
    When she was created she was the most powerful ship in the world.
    When she was scraped she was considered to be among them still.

    So no, she was not out dated. She was in her prime.

    phhhtttttt...big deal, one 50-megaton nuclear ICBM warhead dropped down her smoke stack and let's see how great she is.

    USA! USA! USA! USA!

  11. #36

    Red Face (Embarrassed)

    Originally Posted by Vindicator
    The Battleships do need alittle more range, Its hard to get off 2 rounds before a DD is in range of you.

    Does anyone remember the a very old pc naval simulation game titled Taskforce 1942? I played that game when I was young and I'm telling ya.. IT ROCKS!!! you can man battleships like the yamato or missouri and CAN shoot at destroyers and cruisers outside their own firing ranges!!!way before they get near enuff to shoot back at ya hee hee....I remembered using my fave battleship Yamato to deliberately steer close to a destroyer and let all nine 18.1 inchers onto that tin can...blowing it out of the water. Of cos then i have to wait for 30 sec b4 i can use the main guns again tho...

  12. #37
    ramp4ge, when i first used repulse in the demo i was wondering why i couldnt hit enemy shipyards at start. after all. ever NFer knows that rp12 have insanely ridiculous range >.>

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    Yeah..And why don't quads block? Why's the Cleve got 6"? Guns on a Kuma? Blasphemy! Lol tier 3 bombers with tier 1 fighters?! And a MogCV with no planes?! What is this?!

    <3 BSM. Even with it's crappy BB range. At least they all suck equally. No damn KMs to range the map..
    ô_o WTF is NavyFIELD? And who the hell is this Barrett guy?

  14. #39
    i should have full version monday or tuesday, but i am still wondering. WHY are the only battleships for the allies a pre WW1 vintage dreadnought, a new yet historically useless british battleship (she was sank by jap airpower not long after entering the pacific theater, and repulse had the same fate), and a british battlecruiser built in 1916??? seeing as the battle of surigao strait is in the game, which NONE of the above ships took part in (texas only spent half the war in the pacific, and that was only bombarding iwo jima and okinawa),i would expect to see ships such as the Pennsylvania, Nevada (those two expecially), the Tennessees, the Colorados, and/or the New Mexicos. Not to mention the North Carolinas or the South Dakotas. Why are all the usn battleships that spent almost all of the war in the pacific theater mysteriously absent?
    Where's my Nevada? And my Pennsylvania? I want a USN BB, not a pair of ships that got sunk by japanese airpower shortly after entering the combat theatre.

  15. #40
    With battleships ranges that high, we wouldn't be able to have our airfields or shipyards. The second the battleship started he'd destroy the airplane hangers in no time.

  16. #41
    Originally Posted by menace2
    i should have full version monday or tuesday, but i am still wondering. WHY are the only battleships for the allies a pre WW1 vintage dreadnought, a new yet historically useless british battleship (she was sank by jap airpower not long after entering the pacific theater, and repulse had the same fate), and a british battlecruiser built in 1916??? seeing as the battle of surigao strait is in the game, which NONE of the above ships took part in (texas only spent half the war in the pacific, and that was only bombarding iwo jima and okinawa),i would expect to see ships such as the Pennsylvania, Nevada (those two expecially), the Tennessees, the Colorados, and/or the New Mexicos. Not to mention the North Carolinas or the South Dakotas. Why are all the usn battleships that spent almost all of the war in the pacific theater mysteriously absent?
    simple.
    to make you spend more money on buying the DL content on these extra ships.

    And the "new historically useless British battleship" was not useless. Infact she was more use then you would think. She forced the German Battleship Bismark to cancel her mission and head for home, she also took Sir Winston Churchill to the US for talks with the President. Her sister ships KG5 Sunk the Bismark, and Duke Of York Sunk the Sharnhoust. (im no expert but as battleships were built for sinking other battleships, these ships were not useless.) They were then sent (KG5, Duke of york, Howe and Anson) to the Pasific and played as much part in the war as the American BBs did. Shore bombardment and CV Escorts.

  17. #42
    My question is:

    Will there be any Modding Tools and Map Creation Tools to use this very useable Engine to make Bigger Maps with More diffrent Ranges for DD,CA and BB??

    That would be awesome!

  18. #43
    i dont think they will release any modding tools. If you were Eidos and you had a choice.
    A) Release modding tools so the community could map large maps and new ships and give them out to everyone to share for free. or

    B) Make the maps, ships and airplanes yourselfs and sell them off for a profit.

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    Originally Posted by Aiserou
    If the vehicle speeds and gun ranges reflected real life this would be one of the most boring games ever. Frankly, I don't feel like playing for a full day just to get to the middle of the map. If you really want that, go play Silent Hunter 3 without using the time compression, then in 3 or 4 days when you've completed the first mission, come back here and tell us what you prefer.
    Very true...

  20. #45
    If battleships had realistic ranges then the maps would have to be like 10,000 sq. mi. just to balance it out, plus whatever else you need to be changed to accomadate all other weapon inaccuracies.

  21. #46
    Originally Posted by crazy abt ww2 warships
    Does anyone remember the a very old pc naval simulation game titled Taskforce 1942? I played that game when I was young and I'm telling ya.. IT ROCKS!!!
    I'm with you, Crazy, TF1942 is the best surface naval game I have ever come across (still got it loaded, although modern graphics cards show up its age!) - I am more of a strategy/historical simulation fan than an arcade shoot-em-up player, and TF1942 was definitely in the former category, so not everyone's cup of tea. But it had no air element, and it picked one of the most balanced, probably THE most balanced, naval campaign of WW2 for its subject - Guadalcanal. AND you could play as Allies or Japanese, both campaign game and scenarios.

    For air, remember Aces of the Pacific? Still the best yet in my opinion, game play is more important sometimes than being able to see the bolt heads on your aicraft, and Aces had everything. Again Allies or Japanese for campaign and scenarios.

    Looks as if campaign in BM is Allied only - is that right? I don't own the game yet, reading the posts to see if it fits what I want.

  22. #47
    At first i was also rather dissappointed with the ranges. But now after playing the game some time i think its rather well balanced. Once you get use to it it is quite okay to play and after some more time the game just becomes thrilling.

    Ow, and to that guy complaining about DDs: You still have plenty time to intercept an incoming DD. My advise is just learn to aim. You can easy fire 10 salvo's before its even in gun range (and DD guns dont do ). about 4-5 shells wreck a DD.

    Its just a great game.

    Its a minor point that there are very few models in the game, but on the other hand the models are so immensely detailed it just kicks arse!

    I hope an expension will add some stuff :P. (preferably an atlantic expansion).

  23. #48
    Originally Posted by menace2
    WHY are the only battleships for the allies a pre WW1 vintage dreadnought, a new yet historically useless british battleship (she was sank by jap airpower not long after entering the pacific theater, and repulse had the same fate), and a british battlecruiser built in 1916??? seeing as the battle of surigao strait is in the game ...
    Woah, this is consistent with the game info on the website, but is it really the case that the only three Allied BBs are Prince of Wales, Repulse and Texas? I mean the Texas wasn't even at Pearl Harbour on 7 Dec 1941. In fact no USN BBs were at Coral Sea or Midway, or even in the firing line until after the Guadalcanal campaign had started. Why not have North Carolina, Washington or South Dakota (all effectively identical) which featured significantly at Guadalcanal? And they have a Surigao Straight scenario? With Prince of Wales, Repulse and Texas? Although the Battle of Surigao Straight would be the last WW2 Pacific naval engagement that I would select for a scenario with any challenge to it ...

  24. #49
    If the BB´s would get a longer firing range, the cruisers would just become useless....

    and if a destroyer is a thread for your battleship, you definitly make something wrong

    i think some guys just want to take a battleship, dont move but just sink all ships with one shot from their battleship...

    and pls dont talk bout realism in this game, its a ARCADE/strategy mix game, it dont claims to be realistic.

    i really think the game is well balanced, i played all maps on both sides...and i saw both´s side´s winning. its just HOW you use your units, that makes the difference about winning and loosing.

    in many games i see people just heading into the enemy fleet alone with a destroyer and cruiser, they really dont think about the game...they just head forward...try to shoot as much as they can (with a destroyer and a cruiser they mostly sink nothing)...then they leave the game after 10-15mins when both of their ships are down....i guess this are the guys who wants a longer firing range for the bb´s

  25. #50
    Hey, I'm Just saying id like to see ALITTLE more range with the BB's. You could make it so when they fire that extra long range there guns become really inaccurate. Hitting a DD from that far away should not be an easy task.

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