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    Question A question for anyone who owns Legend and has played any of the "old" TR games...

    Hi, everyone. First post.

    Okay, I've been a TR fan since the beginning. When everyone else started hating on the series, I was still enjoying it. So now to get to my question:

    Is "Legend" as open-ended as the previous games? Are there as many large areas to explore?

    I've played the demo, but the demo level doesn't really give you much freedom to explore, like we had with the earlier games. It plays very well, so don't get me wrong. I love it a lot. But it doesn't really feel like Tomb Raider. There is basically a route that you have to go through and there isn't any alternate routes or even many large open areas as far as that goes. I enjoyed the demo a whole lot. There just wasn't much room to explore in it.

    The old TR games seemed a lot more open-ended than the demo level for Legend. Like how in TR3 there were a lot of large open areas to explore.

    So is the final game basically like the demo? Or are there more "large" areas to explore in it?

    Thanks for reading.


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    The demo is one of the largest areas. There are no large levels, no puzzles, and NO alternate paths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tr1xp
    The demo is one of the largest areas. There are no large levels, no puzzles, and NO alternate paths.
    Awe man! Are you kidding me? Then it's like they took away the best aspect of the series.

    I know Legend will be a good game, albeit short. But it sucks that they reworked it to be a Ninja Gaiden, Princ of Persia clone instead of an adventure game.

    When I played the demo I was thinking "This is nice and fun for an action game, but it's not really a tomb raider adventure game."

    PS: do you know anything about playing Tomb Raider 1 on Windows XP? I can't even get the TR demo to work.

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    Omg!

    Don't listen to tr1xp!

    There may not be alternative routes (CAN U PLEASE STATE ME ONLY ONE ALTERNATIVE ROUTE TO GO THROUGH A PREVIOUS TR GAME)? But there sure are great puzzles (other then the key searching we had the last ten years) and the levels are HUGE!!!!!!

    Don't complain about the game beeing to easy if u sit with the walkthough in front of it
    TOMB RAIDER LEGEND! THE BEST TOMB RAIDER EVER! YAY!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

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    Yes...see the link in my sig? The information there is acurate 90% (stat pulled out of thin air) of the time, but I have seen subtle differences in the install and playability from PC to PC depending on the chipsets on the mainboard and video cards etc.

    Glidos is highly recommended...see the screenshot on that page to see why. It looks better than you could ever have imagined TR1 could look and it enables the ambient music/sounds to play on Windows XP, that you won't hear playing without Glidos.

    PS: Yes, don't listen to me. Play the demo and decide for yourself. Was the demo level "HUGE"? It is One of the larger levels (of the 6, yes only 6 + 2 mini levels for 8 total) in the game. Tomb Raider 3 had alternate routes for most all the main sections of the game. I have NEVER used a walkthrough for a Tomb Raider game. It's unthinkable!

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    The first level in my oppinion is the shortest!

    I don't know. I have played for 13 hours now and not quite finished England. I think Kasachstan is big. And also Ghana there are big areas in this level.... don't u think?

    BTW.: I have played all Tomb Raider Games and build levels myself... so it's not like my clumsiness that made me play 13 hours....

    But i don't know about the alternative routes i mean... really .. where are they in the previous games?
    TOMB RAIDER LEGEND! THE BEST TOMB RAIDER EVER! YAY!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

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    I think the game is a bit easier than previous games, its usually rather obvious where to go next so not that much exploring is needed. There is nothing like in TR1 when you were in the colleseum and there were five ways you could go, there is only ever one. But it is good fun and the gold secrets usually require some sort of detour.

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    hi,

    just before i had TRL, i had replayed TR1, let me say this now, TR1 is a classic, yes? it is acualy fairly linier, there are some explorable areas, but they are quite small, and there is one path to take to finish a levle, etc.

    TRL to me felt alot like the first TR. slightly less puzzles, and key fetching and no Trex, but there is a big suprise, lurking in some of the levels.


    my advice, ignore, anyone elses view, even mine, play it with no fears, or concerns form other people. and hopefully you will feel it is great, but you will feel it from your point of view, no one elses.

    beccaxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by munchkin
    my advice, ignore, anyone elses view, even mine, play it with no fears, or concerns form other people. and hopefully you will feel it is great, but you will feel it from your point of view, no one elses.

    ...and you may well be quite angry you just wasted $39.99 - $49.99 for 1/3 of what you would get with any other typical game. Yes, even the modern, short ones...this one is 1/3 that length and is about 50% cut scenes. If you skipped them all, the game would be like 2-3 hours long. With them it's 4-6.

    ...or you may say, yeah, it's only 4 hours long, but I will play it happily 4 more times, so it's all good. Personally, I can't see playing it more than twice, and the second time it will be just out of nostalgia and will be quite boring.

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    I am actually playing TR3 again right now. (Lara's parked somewhere in India and waiting for me so I'll be quick).
    India. Two ways to enter the temple.
    Pacific Islands: Two ways to enter the temple.
    London:Well, one way, but loads and loads of backyards to explore in between.
    When I come across more alternative ways, I'll post them. Or you can read about them at Stella's...

    my advice for you? Go and rent TRL. It's not worth the money. Sadly. I finished it in twelve hours, and I'm one of those stupid pple who couldn't finish the other games without walkthroughs. Yes.

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    Come on!

    Don't tell me the game is 2 horus long!!! And 2 more hours cutscene... thats just not true.

    Oh and if u consider this in TR3 an alternative route... in Bolivia u can jump directly onto that platform to throw down the stone are climb over ledges.... and in the very beginning u can either jump over the river or climb up over hte rocks
    TOMB RAIDER LEGEND! THE BEST TOMB RAIDER EVER! YAY!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xdrive
    I know Legend will be a good game, albeit short. But it sucks that they reworked it to be a Ninja Gaiden, Princ of Persia clone instead of an adventure game.
    It's more like those two games you just mentioned.

    In TR1 you might come to an area which has about four large rooms, and you have to work out what to do next.

    In this game it's like Prince of Perisa, it's pretty straightforward in what you do. You go from point A to point B, you won't ever get lost.

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    I really love Tomb Raider Legend, but compared to the old TR games, there is nothing to explore. Even Prince of Persia involves more exploration. I'm not kidding.

    But don't let this put you off. If you liked the demo and accept that Legend is different from the other Tomb Raiders, you will be able to enjoy it as much as I did.

    The people who say it's too easy, too short and too linear are definitely right. They are also right if they say it's not like the old games, but I think it doesn't even try to be like them. It's a new game and a good one in my opinion.

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    I'll make it short.
    For me - I like TR1-TR4 more. Sorry.

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    There is no escaping the fact that TRL is short, its unlike any other TR game in the sense that the "missions" (levels) can be and for time trial mode need to be completed quickly. I've completed the "story" and am now going back to collect secrets and do the time trial mode. The 1st level needs to be done in under 12 minutes, easy, the second i think has a time limit of around 25 min or so, the 3rd about 15 min, 4th about 15 min too. I'm sure someone can provide the accurate times but all in all the levels can be completed so quickly.

    I agree with a poster above, there is NO real puzzles (ones that require thought and effort), and there is NO exploration.

    I do love TRL, it looks amazing, and this game is better than no game, but its not TR in the traditional sense

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    Thank you for the responses so far, people. I'm glad to read what you have to say about it.

    That's what I was afraid would be the case. They took away a lot of the adventure and made it a short action game, like they were going for more of a "movie" feel unlike the old TR games.

    I really, REALLY hope they do another TR game and the next time around, make it more of an adventure game. That was all I was really looking forward to for Legend, to be honest.

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    Smile the real tomb raider

    about alternative paths : in tr4 when you play that game with chess-like pieces with that god, you have a path to go if you win and another if you loose. but that's not the point, the puzzles were great, labyrinths, and everything was very intelligent and creative. i think CD should take a book of "funny math for kids" where you find a lot of puzzles of different levels of difficulty, and easily transform them into gameplay situations, and research, research, research... ancient civilizations had great puzzles and labyrinths, just watch discovery channel. in my opinion that is a true tomb raider game: solving the puzzles and outsmarting the ancients, finding the artefacts, cause that's what you do, you are an archeologist, the famous archeologist adventurer Lara Croft.
    playaplaya4real

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    And it is not just about altenate paths, but about areas you can explore which have nothing to do with the game.

    Meaning, you don't have to go to those areas to finish the level, but you can if you want to hang out and explore. Not 1 level of TRL has that....you are directed like a brainless robot to the next checkpoint and are forbidden to explore by invisible walls

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    Quote Originally Posted by smlaci
    about alternative paths : in tr4 when you play that game with chess-like pieces with that god, you have a path to go if you win and another if you loose. but that's not the point, the puzzles were great, labyrinths, and everything was very intelligent and creative.
    Well TR4 kicked ass. Best ever TR game. It took everything that worked in the first game and expanded on it, making it even better. Since I still haven't played Legend, I shouldn't really say TR4 is the best ever... who knows? I may think Legend beats it. But for now, for me, TR4 perfected the formula better than any other TR game.
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    i only have the demo right now but ,yes, it seems very linear to me so far.in other tr games you could go maybe 4 ways sometimes. even those sections were rather large and would require many times to solve something there in order to open something along one of the other routes.some other tr's had like 30 or more levels.big levels.whats with the animal cruelty thing.i mean ,is it o.k. to kill humans but not animals?people hunt in real life and it's legal.
    razmatrazmat

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    Arrow

    Quote Originally Posted by RAZMAT
    people hunt in real life and it's legal.
    But it shouldn't be.

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    i agree it should'nt be but in the game lara apologizes when she kills animals and not humans.in a way i would think humans are more important.
    razmatrazmat

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    Cool

    The humans could have stayed at home. The kitty was at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoranAgar
    The humans could have stayed at home. The kitty was at home.
    Exactly.
    Reminds me of when my neighbor (a deer hunter) told me "The deer are really viscious sometimes!" Um, excuse me, the deer didn't walk into your house with a rifle and shoot you in the head while you were eating your dinner, did they?
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    LOL OMG you crack me up

    But are you all being serious now? I mean, honestly it takes a seriously cruel person to shoot a guy in the head but feel sorry killing a vicious rabid animal -- aren't those leather boots she's wearing?

    So its OK to wear leather boots and a leather backpack made from the skins of dead animals who were helplessly slaughtered in a abbatoir with no chance of escape and may even have still been alive when their skins were ripped from their bodies (according to documentaries anyway) but not ok to kill an attacking wild creature in self defense? Um, priorities becoming a little weird here, sorry

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