Thread: 9800 Pro powerful enough for Thief DS ?

9800 Pro powerful enough for Thief DS ?

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    9800 Pro powerful enough for Thief DS ?

    I'm about to pull the trigger on a new 9800 Pro. I wanted to wait until Doom 3 was out before upgrading, but I need better Thief performance and don't believe a more powerful 200 dollar next gen card will be around for at least 3-4 months. I'm using a GF4ti4200 right now.
    If anyone is using a 9800 Pro, are you happy with it for this game ? What resolution and settings are you using ?
    On my current card I play at 800X600, max details, bloom on, low shadows and get between 15-50 fps averaging around 30. This is with an AMD 2700 and 512 Ram. Mainly I don't want my minimum to drop below 30 ever. Thanks for any comments.

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    Actually from what I hear your probably going to get better performance from Doom 3 than you will from Thief. T: DS does not seem very well optimized.

    I'm sure that card will work fine though.

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    I'm playing it on a 9800 Pro, very happily. Not sure of resolutions or framerates because I'm at work at the moment, but will add some info later today. The resolution is high (1280 by whatever is in my mind), and the game is smooth and looks fantastic.

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    Cool Bravus. That's what I wanted to hear. I know the Thief engine is not the best performer. I was worried that a 9800 pro wouldn't be that large an improvement due to the engine and I've heard this game doesn't like ATI cards ?
    Anyways I'm calling Newegg today. I got the game last week, but still have only been to the first city mission. I've been replaying Thief Gold over again waiting until I get something better to properly tackle T3. I hate not getting what the devs meant for me !

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    I second that. My Radeon 9800 PRO 256 runs the Thief demo like a dream maxed out in 1280x1024. Don’t have the full game yet though, it was sold out here in Stockholm

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    Athlon 2.6, 9800 Pro 1024 x 768, everything max, latest standard drivers (6.24.10.6444). Averaging about 50fps - normal low 30 and high 60. When swivelling fast it sometimes drops to 25 fps but recovers immediately.

  7. #7
    From what I've been reading in the forums, the 9800 pro is pretty much the ONLY graphics card which runs thief really well, the only one which will allow you to play at 1280x1024 and still get a decent frame rate.

    (except of course for the new $400-$500 cards)

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    Buyer beware!

    While the 9800pro is a great card, I have noticed some new 9800pro cards that are anything but pro. What makes the 9800pro cards really shine is it's 256bit memorybus plus 8x1 texture pipelines. Some are now appearing on the market which only have a 128bit memorybus (this isn't the amount of RAM, it is the interface which the RAM interacts with the chip) and only 4x1 texture pipelines. This crippled version is actually slower than many 9600 cards in some instances.

    Read the specs of the card carefully before purchasing and if you think the price is "too good to be true" then you are probably correct.

    Here are some keywords to watch out for:

    "OEM"
    "128MB DDR 128bit"
    "SE"


    What you want:

    "128MB DDR 256-bit"
    or
    "256MB DDR 256-bit"

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    A 128MB Radeon 9800 Pro is a very good card for the price, although I second someone else's caution to avoid getting the SE or 128-bit versions, which are much slower than the full Pro.

    However, if you've got the extra bucks, one should also consider the 256MB Radeon X800 pro in favor of a 256MB 9800 Pro. The newer card doesn't cost much more, yet has noticably better performance.....
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    9800 with 128-bit MB

    Leatherman - There are no 9800pro cards with 4 pipelines. All are 256 bit with 8x1 pipelines. 9800SE cards however are a different story. They basically come in two different versions (not considering AIW) one with 128 bit bus (based on 9500 pcb) and another with 256 bit bus (based on 9700 pcb). Both have four of their 8 pipelines disabled. They can however be enabled with new drivers. Doing this succesfully (with a 256 bit version) will practically give you a 9800 pro card at a great price. I know it doesn't work with every SE card (some cards have damaged pipelines) so it is a bit of a crapshot but when it works it is GREAT. I have a Hercules AIW 9800SE running with 8 pipelines at 390/360

  11. Nice to hear. I'm getting a radeon 9800 pro tomorrow. Did you know that a quick bios change on the card will (if a decent quality card) make it a 9800XT.

    Roll on tomorrow

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    One thing you may want to do with your new 9800 pro is get the 4.4 catalyst drivers instead of the newer 4.5. It will help to eliminate a lot of flickering shadows problems, and the game will run great otherwise.

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    OK, I was playing on 1280 x 1024, with bloom on and all details high. That was running at about 35-60 fps. I took bloom off (can't say I see a lot of difference) and that really didn't effect the fps at all. Cranked it up to 1600 x 1200, and it still ran smooth, but dropped down to 20-45 fps. For general playing I'll drop back to 1280 x 1024, I think - seems optimal to me. I have the Catalyst 4.5 drivers, and have noticed some of those odd shadow effects, so I'm about to download and install the 4.4 drivers. Hope this is helpful - the short answer is, a 9800 Pro (a real one, see above) will run the game very nicely.

    Incidentally, I have an Athlon 3000+, Asus nForce 2 motherboard (using that soundcard) and 1024 MB of DDR 3200.

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    My 9500 Pro Works great

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    Unhappy Not too good performance

    I own a radeon 9800 pro 128mb and Im not too happy about its perfomance in Thief 3 DS, I tried FRAPS 2.11 and I have about 30-60 in small places but it drops too often to 25 fps and all the way too 22, I have tried out some of the tweaks I've found in the forums.

    Im only running it at 1024*768 with all settings maxed out (except for multisample FSAA and AF). I must say I expected a better perfomance, it seems to look to run a bit better with bloom on, but the framerate stays about the same and sometimes drop all the way to 20.

    I hope I can get the miracle perfomance some of the people here have been claiming too get soon enough.

    My complete specs are

    Intel p4 2,8c @3 ghz
    Asus P4C800 Deluxe
    Gigabyte's Radeon 9800 pro 128mb
    2x256 MB CL3 no-name 400 mhz memory

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    Re: Not too good performance

    Originally posted by Skrekkur
    I own a radeon 9800 pro 128mb and Im not too happy about its perfomance in Thief 3 DS, I tried FRAPS 2.11 and I have about 30-60 in small places but it drops too often to 25 fps and all the way too 22, I have tried out some of the tweaks I've found in the forums.

    Im only running it at 1024*768 with all settings maxed out (except for multisample FSAA and AF). I must say I expected a better perfomance, it seems to look to run a bit better with bloom on, but the framerate stays about the same and sometimes drop all the way to 20.

    I hope I can get the miracle perfomance some of the people here have been claiming too get soon enough.

    My complete specs are

    Intel p4 2,8c @3 ghz
    Asus P4C800 Deluxe
    Gigabyte's Radeon 9800 pro 128mb
    2x256 MB CL3 no-name 400 mhz memory
    Well I am pleased with how my 9800 Pro is doing. But I can't say my results are much better then yours. But my average is 40-50 at 1024 max everything bloom on, no aa/af. It does get into the mid 20's occasionally. I guess it's just the engine. I remember Morrowind owned any card because it wasn't optimized either.

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    Re: Not too good performance

    Originally posted by Skrekkur
    I own a radeon 9800 pro 128mb and Im not too happy about its perfomance in Thief 3 DS, I tried FRAPS 2.11 and I have about 30-60 in small places but it drops too often to 25 fps and all the way too 22, I have tried out some of the tweaks I've found in the forums.

    Im only running it at 1024*768 with all settings maxed out (except for multisample FSAA and AF). I must say I expected a better perfomance, it seems to look to run a bit better with bloom on, but the framerate stays about the same and sometimes drop all the way to 20.

    I hope I can get the miracle perfomance some of the people here have been claiming too get soon enough.

    My complete specs are

    Intel p4 2,8c @3 ghz
    Asus P4C800 Deluxe
    Gigabyte's Radeon 9800 pro 128mb
    2x256 MB CL3 no-name 400 mhz memory
    Hmm, when I used fraps I noticed problems with the display that didn't happen when it wasn't loaded(fraps that is). I wonder if that is collary?
    RedLegg

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    Heh, talk about an unoptimized game:

    Athlon 64 3200+
    Radeon 9700 Pro
    1 GB PC3200 DDR RAM
    K8T Neo FIS2R
    80 GB SATA 7200 RPM
    420 Watt PS

    Game runs like crap. 20 - 30 FPS. Detailed spots: below 20. I've tried everything. Same thing seemed to happen for everyone on Dues Ex 2. I think it's just a bad engine performance wise. The game would be half decent if it was playable :-\

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    I just D/L'd fraps and gave it a try on my rig 2.6c o/c 3 w Radeon 9800 Pro 1gig Ram Dual DDR.

    I was in the Mansion lvl where it has the big glass dome above it with lighting. Its the lvl where u have to push button and run before door closes. Anyway, I was getting about 25-30 FPS in the top 2nd lvl while looking up and running around with lightning going off and big open area @ 1024 * 768 Bloom on default max most stuff. The game looks and runs great at this setting so I usually leave it at that. Sometime go upto 1280*1200 w/ a little hit. Great gaming either way. Rdy to go get the Shamans respect now

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    I have a 9800pro 256 and it runs EVERYthing but theif 3 and DeusEx 2 PERFECTLY!

    Other graphic hungry games like FarCry, SplinterCell, Hitman, SWG run great on my computer with medium to high graphic settings.

    P4 2.4 @ 2.64 800mhz FSB
    9800 pro 256
    1gig DDR 400 memory

    TDS and DeusEx 2 run OK. I get about 30FPS on average with max or near max settings and 1024 X 768 resolution. I'd say just go with a 9800PRO or maybe XT. If you have a good chip, you shouldn't have any problems running this game.

    I'm sure the 9800 will be able to handle Doom3 and HL2 if you have a good chip. Unless you want to wait for a next gen and fork out $500. (which is what I did with my 9800pro hehe.. bought it the day it hit the market...almost a year ago)

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    Why people are still getting ripped off by thinking 256mb cards are gonna make a difference is beyond me.

    Put simply: Unless you are running a very very old game with loads of filtering artificially imposed in a very high res you are not going to find ANY advantage from a 256mb model. It doesn't use the extra ram. Benchmarks and memory usage calculations have shown this extensively time and time again, and the newer the release, the less likely you are to be able to take advantage of that extra ram.

    Whilst it is likely that the next gen of GPUs can make it worthwhile, (The new X800platinum delivering fully double the output and performance of the 9800XT.) it is a con as far as any kind of 9XXX or GFFX card is concerned.

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    Thumbs Up 9800PRO rocks

    Hell yeah Stereophile !

    Trust me, the 9800PRO runs Thief 3 like a charm, and so will Doom 3. Im currently running the game at maxed settings and the performance is great. Just remember to turn OFF vsync from the game menu and turn it ON from the ATi control panel from windows.

    You should do fine like that.
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    Originally posted by Guineapiggy
    Why people are still getting ripped off by thinking 256mb cards are gonna make a difference is beyond me.

    Put simply: Unless you are running a very very old game with loads of filtering artificially imposed in a very high res you are not going to find ANY advantage from a 256mb model. It doesn't use the extra ram. Benchmarks and memory usage calculations have shown this extensively time and time again, and the newer the release, the less likely you are to be able to take advantage of that extra ram.

    Whilst it is likely that the next gen of GPUs can make it worthwhile, (The new X800platinum delivering fully double the output and performance of the 9800XT.) it is a con as far as any kind of 9XXX or GFFX card is concerned.
    Maximum PC, PC Gamer, and myself would like to respectully disagree.

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    I have
    all-in-wonder radeon 9800 pro 128mb
    P4 2.4 533FSB
    512MB DDR3200 @ 400
    SB audigy gamer

    you can see my FPS in these screenshots:

    http://somewhattwisted.com/Thief/

    I have the game set on highest settings, v sync off, bloom on, AA/AF max though i dont see it doing anything. in 1024x768.