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    Heading up to Boston tomorrow for the Tomb Raider lunch. I'm so excited, and this is an accurate representation of my current emotional state:



    I'm beyond thrilled to see Meagan Marie again and finally get to meet the lovely Melonie Mac.

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    Pahty On!!

    Pahk Tha Cah in Hahvahd Yahd, and don' Fugget Yah Baked Beans Brah .

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    Actually, Have a Playlist Demo of the Garage Band, known as Band "Reasons", Formerly known as KrOn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valenka View Post
    Heading up to Boston tomorrow for the Tomb Raider lunch. I'm so excited, and this is an accurate representation of my current emotional state:



    I'm beyond thrilled to see Meagan Marie again and finally get to meet the lovely Melonie Mac.
    Hope you had fun!

    Let us know how it went

    Quote Originally Posted by radioteque View Post
    Basically two dudes from Scotland who make some really mellow electronic sounds - the name comes from their love of watching stuff produced by the National Film Board of Canada.

    Check out one of their early albums:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5gWTh1F95c
    I see. Thanks for the link. Hmm not too bad But why do they remind me of Daft Punk, heh

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    No you don't get it, i have people IRL who like me, if i'm ignored on a public forum it's just irritating, as the HITMAN or CODMAN thread indicates, my history is ignored while you take personally the fact that this IS a forum dedicated to wanna-be hitmen... i don't mean real life, but it's a violent game based on assassination, why would i expect people to be 'nice'?
    Because we are nice?

    Quote Originally Posted by doom-generation View Post
    While I really don't want to wade into a political debate, I would say that while Trump may not actually be a racist who wants to deport Muslims from America, he has allowed that belief to spread in order to, I think, pick up votes from those who would like to see such a policy enacted. Allowing such a belief to spread is, IMO, potentially just as damaging to America's relationship with the Muslim community, at home and abroad, as it would be if those things came true. So he really does himself no favours there.
    I'm afraid that this, too, is incorrect. Trump has specifically stated in interviews that he doesn't want to deport Muslim Americans. So he is not responsible for that falsehood spreading.

    If anyone is at fault, it's the people on the left that have been trying to smear and slander Trump from day 1. So the blame for potential damage done between America and the Muslim community will be on the heads of Bernie and Shillary supporters. Which is ironic, because they are the people are supposedly on the side of the Muslims. But hey, it's not the first time that leftists turned out to be completely hypocritical and selfish and doing more damage to their country than their right wing counterparts.

    Quote Originally Posted by doom-generation View Post
    I'm British, so I can only view US politics from the outside looking in, but I'll say that I hope Trump doesn't become president for your own sake. I believe he would damage America's relationship with the rest of the world in ways I don't even want to think about.
    I very much agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    Didn't mean to argue over politics, to be fair to truth politics was just an example of people's personas...[edit] more of a discussion about why we would choose a candidate, and yes my "Populist" comment was spot on because 1: he does cater to the racist
    No he doesn't. I've not heard him say a single racist thing. People simply confuse politically incorrectness with racism. Those are different things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    the greedy
    If anyone is catering to the greedy, it's the corporate shill who goes by the name of Hillary. Oh and everyone else in the republican party

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    the needy
    I thought it was socialists like Bernie who caters to the needy

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    offering slander
    The man himself has been slandered to death by democrats and the media. Trump is Hitler, Trump is a racist, Trump is a sexist, and on and on it goes. They've done a terrific job vilifying the guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    promise of wealth
    Name me one single presidential candidate, republic or democrat, who hasn't made promises during their campaign to improve the economy or having made empty emotional speeches about middle class Joe Average. Trump is really doing nothing new.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    and crazy acts of looney-tunes dance moves
    ...things that people actually like seeing. Have you seen the debate ratings? Even Trump haters massively tune into the republican debates just to see what Trump will do next, lol. Admit it, we all love Trump the entertainer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    with wild-sweeping insults that are meant to 'shock people'... so he does do that, it's a fact, part of the discussion.
    I don't think he necessarily does it for shock value. I have a feeling he genuinely speaks his mind and simply does not give a crap about if people think it is politically correct or not. Which, I have to say, is a real fresh wind after all those fake, dishonest and hypocritical politicians before him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    Bernie is an un-sung hero, he 'Believes' in more than himself, so if he ever said he didn't consider himself a leader, genius has been known to not be perfect .
    Too bad weakness like that is gonna cost him the presidency. Americans want a strong person in charge. Not a weakling non-leader.

    I'm sorry but a "hero" doesn't let himself to be chased off his own stage by a bunch of racist lunatics. That's not presidential material. If the man can't even hold his own on a stage of his own rally, how on earth is he going to lead an entire country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post

    This right here is why I stopped watching College Humor a long time ago. How utterly pathetic. What a train wreck of a video.

    Trump is the KKK. Trump hates Mexicans. Trump thinks women are ugly. lol, thanks for helping me prove my point about the absolutely dirty smear campaign that the left has been doing against Trump.

    And omg are these ignoramuses serious? "Claim" they cheered on 911? lmao they did! In fact, they did after every single subsequent major terrorist attack against the West since. Open a European newspaper once in a while and educate yourselves about what's going on in the world outside of the American bubble.

    Humor is supposed to be funny. This was just pure propaganda. Nothing more than leftists displaying their hardcore (and misguided) hatred towards Trump.

    Now, if you want to see real comedy, check these out:






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    But who has the 'balls' to say they're going to build a wall to keep out foreigners, who are mostly young kids and adults, fleeing from Gang and Drug-Gang violence? and also keep a database of Mulsims? Are there South American Terrorists involved? Yes! but are there honest people looking for "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"? YES!... flawed logic is flawed so have fun with your popular billionaire president who will pump up the 1%, do mediocre at raising the poverty-line and middle-class, and make this country a disgusting rotten hole with his patriotic ideals.

    If you really knew anything at all, trump is a 'white guy' saying Muslims will be 'Managed'... meanwhile any degenerate from America, be it white, black, brown, red, green, blue; can be the next ISIS Unibomber, FFS.

    Real great plan, tell Muslims, Innocent and Guilty, that we're coming for them. SMH, some people will never understand. An innocent Muslim gets locked up in Gitmo for 'Trump''ed up charges, meets an inmate who has alot of 'ideas' about how the system should work, and a sleeper cell is born.

    Challenge of the week: Watch "Traitor" and tell me there isn't something wrong with terrosits and intelligence.

    Did he say those things? YES!, does he mean them? We Will See... Calling me a buffoon basically for simply watching Trump's 'slander and villification', meanwhile he actually does say these things... i give up on you as a rational intelligence evaluator, it's ok, if i'm against trump but trump wins there's always Europe, ie. Ireland, for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    But who has the 'balls' to say they're going to build a wall to keep out foreigners, who are mostly young kids and adults, fleeing from Gang and Drug-Gang violence? and also keep a database of Mulsims? Are there South American Terrorists involved? Yes! but are there honest people looking for "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"? YES!... flawed logic is flawed so have fun with your popular billionaire president who will pump up the 1%, do mediocre at raising the poverty-line and middle-class, and make this country a disgusting rotten hole with his patriotic ideals.

    If you really knew anything at all, trump is a 'white guy' saying Muslims will be 'Managed'... meanwhile any degenerate from America, be it white, black, brown, red, green, blue; can be the next ISIS Unibomber, FFS.

    Real great plan, tell Muslims, Innocent and Guilty, that we're coming for them. SMH, some people will never understand. An innocent Muslim gets locked up in Gitmo for 'Trump''ed up charges, meets an inmate who has alot of 'ideas' about how the system should work, and a sleeper cell is born.

    Challenge of the week: Watch "Traitor" and tell me there isn't something wrong with terrosits and intelligence.

    Did he say those things? YES!, does he mean them? We Will See... Calling me a buffoon basically for simply watching Trump's 'slander and villification', meanwhile he actually does say these things... i give up on you as a rational intelligence evaluator, it's ok, if i'm against trump but trump wins there's always Europe, ie. Ireland, for me.
    I never called you a "buffoon". All I did was respectfully respond to your opinions about Trump with my opinions about Trump and make generic statements about Trump haters; not you personally.

    I'll get to the rest of your post later. Just wanted to get that misunderstanding out of the way first and foremost

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman_Limerick View Post
    An innocent Muslim gets locked up in Gitmo for 'Trump''ed up charges, meets an inmate who has alot of 'ideas' about how the system should work, and a sleeper cell is born.
    While I wouldn't have used that specific example, or wording, I do agree with your point. I believe that the only way you are going to address the radicalisation of young Muslims is through communication and education, for both them, and ourselves.

    (note: conflict and law enforcement obviously have to play a part; I'm not a lefty idiot who thinks everything can be solved with love , but by the same token, extremism isn't something you can bomb out of existence).

    Driber, personally I think Trump has said some terrible things. About foreigners, about women, and more. Would he be a strong leader? Yes, I think he would be. But the question I ask is would he be a respected leader on the world stage? No, I really don't think he would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doom-generation View Post
    While I wouldn't have used that specific example, or wording, I do agree with your point. I believe that the only way you are going to address the radicalisation of young Muslims is through communication and education, for both them, and ourselves.
    Serious question - how exactly would you educate them?

    Quote Originally Posted by doom-generation View Post
    (note: conflict and law enforcement obviously have to play a part; I'm not a lefty idiot who thinks everything can be solved with love , but by the same token, extremism isn't something you can bomb out of existence).
    True, but bombs do help in cases where it's already too late to "re-educate"; when radicals are ready to blow themselves up, taking out 50 innocent people's lives in the process. Indeed, you cannot bomb the ideology out of existence, but you can contain it with bombs. And we have.

    Quote Originally Posted by doom-generation View Post
    Driber, personally I think Trump has said some terrible things. About foreigners, about women, and more. Would he be a strong leader? Yes, I think he would be. But the question I ask is would he be a respected leader on the world stage? No, I really don't think he would.
    I don't think he'll be a good leader, no, which is why I agreed with what you posted earlier.

    But okay, I'll bite - let us hear some of those terrible things he said. And actual quotes together with context would be helpful. Not any of those baseless slander one-liners misquotes that we've heard from the media (and Limerick) over and over, please. I'd love to hear what exactly you think are the worst things Trump said, and have a constructive discussion about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    Serious question - how exactly would you educate them?
    Muslims have youtube, right? they're not Space Eliens, after all... and al Jazeera is noteable, other sources, etc.



    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    True, but bombs do help in cases where it's already too late to "re-educate"; when radicals are ready to blow themselves up, taking out 50 innocent people's lives in the process. Indeed, you cannot bomb the ideology out of existence, but you can contain it with bombs. And we have.
    REMOVE the Propensity For Violence... Carpet Bombing an area can and will clear out threats, but who in an innocent's family will be pretty ticked off that their mother/father/daughter/son/cousin/friend, got killed as a result of Radicalism, and decide to Commit to Revenge-Killing? Saddam should've been taken out by a small team, but not before he was grabbed by said team, questioned about WMD, and sent to Gitmo... Destabilization of Iraq amuses some of you? like the CIA predicted, we cut the Baathist Generals and "Iraqi Army out of the equasion, we will have civil war in 6 months" - "Green Zone".



    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    I don't think he'll be a good leader, no, which is why I agreed with what you posted earlier.

    But okay, I'll bite - let us hear some of those terrible things he said. And actual quotes together with context would be helpful. Not any of those baseless slander one-liners misquotes that we've heard from the media (and Limerick) over and over, please. I'd love to hear what exactly you think are the worst things Trump said, and have a constructive discussion about it
    if you are not aware of what he has said in his campaign, you frankly, don't even have the right to vote, IMHO .

    Youtube Presidential debate if you're so 'hungry', you'll "bite". LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    Serious question - how exactly would you educate them?
    I'm not going to pretend I have a satisfying answer to that. I have worked as a teacher over the last several years, so I really value the power of education, but I'm not a psychologist; I wouldn't claim to have the first clue how to teach somebody that a certain ideology was destructive. By the same token, I wouldn't know how to teach somebody who is Islamophobic that not all Muslims are extremists. But both of these are lessons that both sides have to learn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    True, but bombs do help in cases where it's already too late to "re-educate"; when radicals are ready to blow themselves up, taking out 50 innocent people's lives in the process. Indeed, you cannot bomb the ideology out of existence, but you can contain it with bombs. And we have.
    Oh yes, I'd bomb ISIS twice as hard as both of our nations are already doing if I could. I'm afraid I don't quite agree that you can contain an ideology with bombs, however, not in the world we live in. There's a propaganda war for the minds of impressionable, disaffected young Muslims all over the world, who can go online and have hate speech and extremist views at their fingertips, and who will see the actions that the west has taken so far this century as an attack on their faith. You can certainly contain the die-hard fighters from free movement around the continent, but you can't as easily contain the ideology from spreading.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    I don't think he'll be a good leader, no, which is why I agreed with what you posted earlier.

    But okay, I'll bite - let us hear some of those terrible things he said. And actual quotes together with context would be helpful. Not any of those baseless slander one-liners misquotes that we've heard from the media (and Limerick) over and over, please. I'd love to hear what exactly you think are the worst things Trump said, and have a constructive discussion about it
    I know you did, didn't mean to gloss over that

    See this is why I didn't want to wade into a political debate... should have kept my big fat mouth shut

    I'm not going to literally source videos and quotes for the things I've heard Trump say with his own mouth (not least because right now it's 3:30 in the morning and I need to get off the internet already and go to bed!), but I admit, what I've seen and read, in my European newspapers and news shows haven't always been shown with proper context, so I do take that into account. That said, I still don't like some of what I've heard. I don't actually think he's a full on racist, I just think he's ignorant, not least to the damage he's doing.

    I would love to have that discussion, but we'll have to take a rain check on it for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by doom-generation View Post
    I'm not going to pretend I have a satisfying answer to that. I have worked as a teacher over the last several years, so I really value the power of education, but I'm not a psychologist; I wouldn't claim to have the first clue how to teach somebody that a certain ideology was destructive. By the same token, I wouldn't know how to teach somebody who is Islamophobic that not all Muslims are extremists. But both of these are lessons that both sides have to learn.



    Oh yes, I'd bomb ISIS twice as hard as both of our nations are already doing if I could. I'm afraid I don't quite agree that you can contain an ideology with bombs, however, not in the world we live in. There's a propaganda war for the minds of impressionable, disaffected young Muslims all over the world, who can go online and have hate speech and extremist views at their fingertips, and who will see the actions that the west has taken so far this century as an attack on their faith. You can certainly contain the die-hard fighters from free movement around the continent, but you can't as easily contain the ideology from spreading.

    You know, i heard a quote in a Counter Terror Movie: "a small act of kindness goes a long way in this part of the world"...

    I'm not talking about "let's negotiate and lay down our weapons" stereo-types, Zealots don't play nice, but we need the Scalpel of the system to eliminate HVT's much like Hitman, Go in alone, leave alone, etc.

    There's something wrong with Zealots' ideology of the Quran, making some even believe they'll go to Paradise with 72 virgins waiting for them if the kill non-believers.

    Education comes in belief structures, and it is abstract, because ideas that can or cannot be proven vary.

    "The Quran tells me to slay infidels", is believed in some interpretations, meanwhile, the Quran also says" if you take a life you kill all of humanity", and "if you save a life, you save all of humanity".

    Put yourself in a vulnerable innocent's shoes, where the forces of "Heroes of War" are turned into Monsters, and teaching, preaching, extreme violence.

    Sure, some Wahabi Militants protected their homeland against a Russian invasion, but later, with bin Laden all up in arms, decided to decalare "jihad on America, and Her Allies"... simply because while he had a strong force that could protect Saudi Arabia's Wealth of Oil Reserves, U.S. Military got awarded the contract with half-a-million Troops, as explained in the notable film "The Kingdom".

    This is a topic that could go on forever in a forum, and needs to go on In Real Life, as we discuss Alternatives to War and Bloodshed, to youngsters not involved, so that the concept of Revenge-Killing and jihadist propaganda becomes obsolete, and looked down upon, so we can all Live Peacefully, with Diplomatic Relations Open.
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    This is the type of man who can solve problems, not arrogantly 'dictate' "you're Fired"...

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    I have two bonus codes for the Mirror's Edge Catalyst beta, one on Xbox One and one on PS4 and I'm trying to figure out what to do with them. I'm not sure if I should do a quick giveaway or if I should just pick two random friends to surprise them.

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    My intention for this thread was to create a place to shoot the breeze and I totally get that politics is not everyone's cup of tea, so what I'm gonna do is put the political topic into spoiler tags from now on. That way those not interested can easily skip over it, while those who do wish to talk politics can click the tags and read the contents. I'd like to ask others to do the same, please


    *politics below in spoiler* (responses to doom and limerick)





    So then, in the interest of shooting the breeze, what is everyone's favorite soft drink?

    Mine is a little treat for the taste buds called Fanta Cassis. A drink with blackcurrant flavour.




    Quote Originally Posted by Valenka View Post
    I have two bonus codes for the Mirror's Edge Catalyst beta, one on Xbox One and one on PS4 and I'm trying to figure out what to do with them. I'm not sure if I should do a quick giveaway or if I should just pick two random friends to surprise them.
    Oe! Oe!


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    "Islamophobia" isn't a thing. People don't literally think that all Muslims are terrorists. That's a meme that has been pushed out there by leftists and Muslim organizations to try to silence legitimate criticism and concerns about Islam.
    You can blame "leftists" for spreading lies about Trump. I can buy that. However, claiming that Islamophobia isn't real is just flat out incorrect. There are absolutely people out there who believe that Muslims pose a threat, plain and simple. I honestly don't even know how that is up for debate. Be it through a mix of ignorance, hated, fear or cultural misunderstanding, Islamophobia is absolutely a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    Indeed, it is quite difficult to stop the ideology from spreading. And part of the problem of why it is spreading so quickly in the first place I have to put on the cancer that is modern PC culture. A lot of people in the West have adopted a backwards way of thinking; that somehow the West is responsible for Islamic terrorism. Somehow we are to blame for "radicalizing" young Muslims all over the world because we dare take sensible anti terror measures such as profiling at airports, lest we risk offending anyone. Police in Europe is afraid to investigate suspected terrorists, lest they risk being labeled "racist" by the PC crowd. It's absolutely asinine.
    I certainly don't subscribe to the viewpoint that the west is somehow responsible for the spread of Islamic extremism. Not in the way you describe, anyway. I think that in retrospect, removing Saddam from power was a huge mistake and ISIS would very likely not exist had that not happened.

    I don't know where you get the idea that Police in Europe are afraid to investigate suspected terrorists for fear of being called racist. I can tell you right now that that is BS. I guess technically I can only really say that for the UK, but still.

    A lot of these discussions come down to security vs liberty. Of course we need to do what we can to be secure, but personally I think we need to be incredibly careful we don't overstep the mark and start sacrificing people's liberty for that end. That isn't progress, in my view, it's a step backwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    I firmly belief that reform of Islam has to come from within the Muslim community. But until we (i.e. non Muslims) stop being afraid to hold their hands to the fire, we can be sure that they won't even bother trying to reform.
    Now I'm gonna ask for an explanation from you What do you think an ordinary, non-radicalised Muslim should be doing to help reform Islam? You can't say they need to denounce extremism, because they do that all the time anyway. So what exactly should they be doing?

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    LMAO, silly Dribbler, Off-Topic Thread doesn't mean you have to be Off-Topic even in a discussion in said topic... YOU LOSE for jumping to conclusions that were neither expressed nor implied, and making a general ass out of your comments with OMG Patriot, ignoring that he will not care about the middle class or poverty, Hitler, ignoring where did i say that? Gas them? go no, but still not good, let's index them like Hitler DID in the Holocaust with serial numbers, causing irreparable damage to America's image, and fabric.

    "a small act of kindess goes a long way in this part of the world"- IT WASNT MEANT AS IN AMERICA, DUDE! they were in a middle-eastern country.

    So i was off-base with islamic media sites, yet you offered no acceptable alternatives that would work to reach young Muslims, so you're just as unknowledgeable in the subject, etc.

    I give up, Dribbler is acting like he'll be scared if Trump loses, and the sad part is, the country, or almost all of it, will suffer if he IS elected [smh].

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    i saw Hardcore Henry about 2 weeks ago and Loved it, especially the first Hour because of all the non-stop action. i thought the ending couldve been a bit better but overall, i hope they make a movie every year and ill go and see it every year. actually gonna go and check out Eye In The Sky tomorrow just to pass the time. im a sucker for movies with huge Moral exploration....which is why The Dark Knight is probably my Favorite movie of all time, its just perfect all around.

    as an american, i believe the "game" of politics and voting for a president is a waste of time so i NEVER vote for anything....but if i DID vote, it would definitely vote for Donald Trump for the simple fact that hes a business man and NOT a politician. this country has already been crashed to ashes because of Politicians....we need someone who wont give our money away and actually focus on the issues that plague us like unemployment, illegal aliens and TERRORISM from all the trouble weve started the last 20 years with other countries. these things need to be dealt with and Hilary damn sure aint gonna get it done. Bernie Sanders is a good man but hes just too old and i heard he proposed a tax policy that would actually INCREASE TAXES on average americans lol that guy should die of natural causes as soon as possible, hes lived a full and eventful life.

    Outside of gaming and movies, im also an ex-beat producer and have a very deep interest in Music.....so im sad to hear of Prince passing last week. the guy has about 400 songs in his catalog overall and its going to take me a while to hear them all, he was SO CONSISTENT for 40 years, iv never seen anything like it. iv been listening to KISS since i heard the news. it doesnt help my spirit knowing he just won a lawsuit to the rights to his music and then *mysteriously* he ends up dead in an elevator in his own home??? and then his body is cremated before they can do a thorough autopsy???? Riiiittttteeeeeee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIEFROMTHECRABZ View Post
    Outside of gaming and movies, im also an ex-beat producer and have a very deep interest in Music.....so im sad to hear of Prince passing last week. the guy has about 400 songs in his catalog overall and its going to take me a while to hear them all, he was SO CONSISTENT for 40 years, iv never seen anything like it. iv been listening to KISS since i heard the news. it doesnt help my spirit knowing he just won a lawsuit to the rights to his music and then *mysteriously* he ends up dead in an elevator in his own home??? and then his body is cremated before they can do a thorough autopsy???? Riiiittttteeeeeee.
    I'm not a Prince fan but I recognize he made some good music.

    Yeah it kinda sounds mysterious, but an autopsy was performed before he was cremated, and there were no signs of foul play at all. I'm betting the report will come back with heart failure or something. I guess we'll find out in a week or two.

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    The thing is that Muslims do pose a threat to modern Western culture. There is nothing "phobic" about being concerned or afraid of an actual real and imminent threat to our society.
    Saying that Muslims, not extremists, but just Muslims, pose a real and imminent threat to modern Western culture is, in my view, Islamophobic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    Islamisation is a real thing that is happening right now in major European countries. In the UK there are Sharia patrols on the street at night, intimidating non Muslim men to not drink alcohol and non Muslim women to cover up their skin and hair.
    Driber, with all due respect, as a UK resident let me tell you that this is absolutely, laughably untrue. Literally laughable. I don't know where you are getting this "information" but you need to find some new sources. You've mentioned leftist media contorting the truth, well I think you've been a victim of that from the other side of the spectrum. I'm not saying a group of Muslim's have never done that in this country, I can't possibly say for sure, but the implication that it is a common, nightly occurrence is absolutely bonkers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    If a gay walks into bar in Iran today, and he is afraid to flirt with men because he thinks Muslims will chop his head off, is he an "Islamophobe"? Of course he isn't. His fear is rational.
    Yes it is absolutely rational, but that isn't a fair example. We're talking about western attitudes to Muslims within western societies, not how homosexuals should behave when in a Muslim society. That's not a fair comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    ISIS was created in 1999. Saddam was removed in 2003.
    Created, sure, but I'm talking about its spread across the region. Saddam would have stamped that out in a way that the West can't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    My apologies, I mixed up the location of a few different cases. I will link them below. The overall point I was trying to make still stands - when it comes to people of very specific religions and ethnicities (hint: not whites/Christians), criminals are not investigated/pursued in Western countries for fear of being called "racist", "Islamophobe", etc. It is a huge problem. PC culture is actually killing people and destroying lives.

    "For more than a decade, police were aware of of child trafficking and gang rape groups in the Pakistani Muslim community but failed to take action because they were afraid of being labeled racist."
    That story was obviously reported here, with similar headlines. Glossing over the fact that this isn't terrorism related (and your other example is in the US, not Europe). Believe me, the amount of terrorist attacks Europe has suffered in the past year alone, I assure you it is taken more seriously here than it is almost anywhere in the world. European authorities are scrambling to co-ordinate and stop terror cells all over the continent. Not one terror attack in Europe has succeeded because authorities didn't act for fear of being deemed racist.

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    I agree with you that balancing between security and liberty can be a tricky one. Especially with all the corruption that is going on and the money to be made out of (faux) security. Personally, I've sort of moved on from the liberty issue because none of us are truly free anymore anyway. I hate the fact that I have to be fingerprinted just to get an ID or travel document, essentially being treated like a common criminal. But it's something unstoppable that I cannot fix. I am more interested in freedom of speech and freedom to live my life the way I want. Two things that are increasingly under threat, in large part due to the folks who are supposed to be on my side; the so called "progressives" and "liberals".
    This is where I think small cultural differences between our countries add up to a big difference. I don't know of any kind of government issued ID for a civilian in the UK that requires a fingerprint be taken. Also, we obviously have freedom of speech here too, though we never needed to worship a specific document about it, we just know we have it, but I don't feel, and I think the general consensus in this country would agree, that our freedom of speech is in any way under attack. If I lived over there, with the rules and examples you mention, maybe I'd feel different. Like I said, different cultures. That really sucks about the fingerprints though, I don't think the British people would stand for that; there would be a march on Westminster and some very strongly worded letters sent to our local MP's

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    Right now there is still a battle being fought over the undeniable fact that Islam is by any objective measure the worst religion in the world today and that it is responsible for the vast majority of religiously based/driven oppression and violence.
    Jesus Christ. Give me a second for my head to stop spinning.

    ...

    There we go.

    Right, first of all, you cannot say that it is an "undeniable fact" that "Islam is by any objective measure the worst religion in the world today". That is, in my opinion, an outrageous thing to say. I'm an atheist, and really am not a fan of any form of organised religion, but that statement is a bit much. Maybe I'll just chalk that one up to another cultural difference thing.

    Phew... I need a cup of tea and a biscuit after that.

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    The religion of Islam is the bedrock for Islamic terrorism and oppression. It's not an "extreme" interpretation of the Quran as many apologists claim; it's a straight reading of the core tenants of Islam, which is violence and oppression. It's all right there in the texts for anyone to read.
    You could throw that accusation regarding the core tenants at the Bible as well, but you judge the man for his actions, not his religious beliefs.

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    Second, Muslims the world over need to work hard on secularizing Muslim countries. There is no place for religion in government, anywhere. For the past few hundred years Christianity has been dragged out of the middle ages, kicking and screaming, and modern Western countries today have virtually complete separation of church and state. It's about time Islam does the same.
    Like the West has (hopefully) learned from trying to push democracy on nations without it, you can't just say "here's a better way of doing things" and expect the people to embrace it with open arms. The people have to want it for themselves, in their own time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    Well let's do a thought experiment - if we had a time machine and transported 5 million Christians from medieval Europe into a small modern European country, would that in your view pose a real threat for the people of that modern country?

    If not, why not? If yes, would that be "Christianphobic"?
    Not trying to dodge an answer, I genuinely don't know a thing about Christians from Medieval Europe, so I couldn't possibly say. My interest in History doesn't cover that period at all.

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    Laughable? Bonkers? You may be living in a bubble. Try walking around in a heavily Muslim populated area in London doing something haram. You'd be surprised. News reports about this are plentiful. Here are some videos to get you started
    The UK is more than East London. That would be like me making a generalisation about all of America based on something happening in Brooklyn.

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    Did you just imply that there should be rules for how gays should behave when in a Muslim country? Gays should be allowed to behave freely just as straight people, no matter what country they are in. If you condemn this Dutch gay guy having been beaten up for being gay in France, you ought to equally condemn such atrocious behaviour when it happens in Muslim countries.
    Of course I'd condemn it no matter where it happened, but by the same token, I'm not going to impose my Western standards of behaviour on a country like Iran, as per your example. That's a ridiculous expectation to have from a country that stones people to death. If I was gay and in Iran, I'd keep myself to myself while I scrambled to the border!

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    And you base that assumption on what, exactly? Islamic terrorism was already growing exponentially way before Saddam was removed.
    Yes, but I'm talking about ISIS in Iraq specifically. I believe that if Saddam hadn't have been removed from power, and Iraq hadn't subsequently become a god-awful mess in the decade since, then ISIS would not have gotten a foothold in the area. Saddam might have been a , but he had the authority, an authority that that country hasn't had since. Obviously we're talking counter-factual here, but it's what I believe.

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    Not nearly as serious as it ought to be. The only European leader who had the balls to call it out for what it is so far has been Hollande. Everyone else is largely *footing around the issue or are in full apologetics mode. I watch European political talk shows, I know what I'm talking about. I know how people think, and how afraid many are of facing reality. They'll say whatever makes them sleep better at night. This is why far right wing political parties across Europe are rapidly growing in popularity as of late; many citizens feel that are are not being taken seriously.
    Okay... well, despite what your European talk shows say, I'm speaking for my own country, where I live, and I'm telling you that terrorism is taken extremely seriously.

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    You have absolutely no way of backing up that baseless assertion.
    Can you back up that terror attacks have happened in Europe as a direct result of a failing of the authorities due specifically to a fear of being labelled racist? That was the assertion that you were making.

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    The UK is (for now) the exception to the rule. Fingerprints in passports is a requirement that is quickly becoming the norm in Europe.

    I'm sure that unless Brexit happens, you too will eventually have to give your fingerprints. Iris scans are coming as well.
    Well if and when that happens, my opinion on things may well change. But I'm talking about how things are now, and how the differences between our nations are bound to give us some fundamentally different viewpoints.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    Actually, your country has less freedom of speech than America. In the UK you can go to jail for "hate speech". Not in the US. Not that I'm in favor of hate speech, mind you. I'm just saying. Also, in other European countries you can even be jailed for holocaust denialism. That is something that would be unheard of in the States; being punished by the state for merely having opinions on the war.
    I don't know if you can quantify it quite that simply. If someone here is using hate-speech, actually trying to inflict hatred, then yeah, I agree with them going to jail. Why should intolerance be tolerated? The holocaust denial thing I agree with you on. That has always struck me as a ridiculous law.

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    No, not different cultures. Your country nearly did implement fingerprints on passports. And it may very well in the future, after all. Read up on the history of biometric documents in the UK.
    Again, you're taking about and if and when, our culture isn't dictated by "if and when", it's about the reality we live in right now.

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    Mate, I'm an atheist myself, living in the second largest atheistic countries in the world. Outrageous? No. What I said is demonstrably true and I'll be happy to back it up with reason and stats once you're ready to stop dismissing what I have to say by making assumptions about where I'm hailing from and "chalking things up to cultural differences"
    I said in my opinion, it was outrageous. To me that crossed a line. But this is what I mean when I talk about different cultures; over here, saying that would be considered racist at worst and incredibly rude at best. And I don't see that you can factually what say what the "worst" religion is. That's purely subjective.

    Wow, OK. I wasn't trying to dismiss what you said, just obverse that our different cultures and societies are going to give us different perspectives on things. It was not at all meant to be dismissive. And I'm not trying to make assumptions about where you come from either.

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    Here, live life and have a bud
    No thanks, American beer tastes like cat to me.

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    You can't; the teachings in the bible are much more peaceful, for the lack of a better word, than the Quran. The new testament (the teachings that most Christians follow) are filled with things like "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" and all that hippie Jesus stuff, whereas with the Quran it's mostly about conquest by the sword and submission.

    I agree with that latter part, though - people should absolutely judge a man by his actions rather than his religious beliefs.

    But let it be clear that your average Christian has a lot less harmful beliefs than your average Muslim. For example, Christian women are vastly emancipated and free to do whatever they want. In stark contrast, Muslim women across the world are still largely seen as the property of their husband, have to cover themselves up, and in some Muslim countries are not even allowed to drive. I have many more examples, but that right there should already give you an idea of how different the religions are.

    Also, it is not as if you should not at all judge a man by his beliefs. Even beliefs, without being acted upon, can be harmful. For example, even though the KKK isn't lynching black people anymore, I'm pretty sure you absolutely judge them for the beliefs they hold. Well, the same can be just as easily applied to any other group of people. Including Muslims. And Christians, to a much lesser degree.
    Depends. If you're a racist but you keep it to yourself, then fine. But if you act on them and it affects others, then it becomes an issue.

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    Driber's not even from the U.s, yet he proagates Arrogogance in OUR political system by being a Trmup Supporter, elbeit, only after consider ALL Candidates... yet 2/3rds of the world view us as arrogant war mongers...

    Listen to this, by AMERICANS, and smoke a doob, you Fraky-Deaky-Dutchman:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb450Alpps

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    Yeah, it's funny having Europeans weigh in on the election. They live in a completely different world, and don't understand the American culture. And, this is coming from someone who has spent a lot of time overseas.

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    Funny, everyone always has criticism about people/governments/politicians around the world, but the minute you dare get critical about their own country, all of a sudden patriotism/tribalism raises its head and they get hyper defensive, closing down the conversation and labeling you as "arrogant".

    I'll respond more on-point later, just wanted to pop in for a minute to point out the double standards displayed in here.

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