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  1. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by wrace0 View Post
    About BO1 HD Remake - look at here.
    About SR1 HD Remake - look at here (Unreal 4 Engine).
    Too bad it's just a school project demonstration, unless you're actually implying it'll cover the whole SR1 as HD Remake. There's "Soul Revenant" on facebook that is a total remake of SR1 - although Unity3D based.

    The Blood Omen remake however looks nice, really hope it'll reach completion. What I most DON'T look forward to is the voice dialogue of Malek (who also does quite underwhelming performance on other characters), it's just so cringeworthy listening to it.


    And in another news, new letter sent to SE Europe - just because I can. Trackable obviously.

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    OMG! A page 2?
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    Soul Revenant looks like one of the projects of Pavlovski - too many agiotage around and too small result.
    Also I don't see yet the projects (excepting this "school project demonstration") with the appropriate battle mode like original SR1 already has.

    Blood Omnicide is really nice, but it is just one of fan-projects, - I do not see yet no one (excepting ourself ones - browser's game on the forum's engine) that was finished or can be finished in the foreseeable future.
    Support of LOK-games is the duty of Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics.

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    And we are back to conclusion "you want something, do it yerself". Not really happy thought. We have devoted fans(and i am jealous of them), like Raina, who have thier own lives to take care of, instead of professionals who should be doing that games. Why are we even discussing it? We are defending our point of wiev, and yet we even don`t have anything to defend. SE does nothing with LOK- we are talking about reboots, remasters, or new games, like they would read it and come to some constructive conclusions.
    They rather do another Final Fantasy(Yeah "Final")
    Well, i miss Nosgoth. Didn`t think i would this much, but i do. That game gave me hope, that LOk is not forgotten. Developers, please give the thing to people. You don`t need it, you don`t want it, so give it to us

    (Offtop alert, sensitive people who are easly butthurted, do not read)
    Driven by wine-driven-nostalgia attack i typed "Meridian" in search engine today, in attempt of finding some cool art work or screenshots. I got blonde pornstar instead. Now i have seen everything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrace0 View Post
    Soul Revenant looks like one of the projects of Pavlovski - too many agiotage around and too small result.
    Firstly, Pawloski has nothing to do with this one though, his game runs on entirely different engine. Secondly, I have not promised anywhere Revenant will be done in a certain time and only post screenshots from time to time of what have we done so far, so not sure what is your point here. We are doing everything in our own pace while working our real life jobs and other commitments, so it will take long time to make even a demo.

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    I'm sensing an uneasy resentment, that never forebodes well. I'd gently ask you to put such radiance to the needless matters, or to the closest privy without a siphon.

    When it comes to game-development I've only scratched the surface to what it entails, unfortunately I couldn't go as far to become accepted into either colleges available in my country (Sweden) due to my grades - so competence is at a loss. Otherwise I'd have more to contribute than poking the sleeping bear with a stick like a spoiled brat. However I did, relatively recently, started going through practical lessons on CGCookie on 3D Modelling for Blender - so given enough time I might just be of use.

    My letter, again, is on its way to UK as it just left the foreign terminal, for whatever use that'll come of it.

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    Heretic_13
    And we are back to conclusion "you want something, do it yerself". Not really happy thought. We have devoted fans(and i am jealous of them), like Raina, who have thier own lives to take care of, instead of professionals who should be doing that games. Why are we even discussing it? We are defending our point of wiev, and yet we even don`t have anything to defend. SE does nothing with LOK- we are talking about reboots, remasters, or new games, like they would read it and come to some constructive conclusions.
    And again - SE. Why do fans of LOK like Raina spend her/his own time (and for free) for projects aka rebooting/remastering of LOK-games while the "professionals" aka CD do nothing without money?
    So the problem is not only with SE, as I think.

    Heretic_13
    They rather do another Final Fantasy(Yeah "Final")
    Look at the main game-groups on Steam, for example:
    the oldest FF8 - 2k+ active gamers every day at any time;
    any game of LOK - at most 200 (usually 100) active gamers.
    Players base is lower in 10-20 times even in comparison with such old game (or with such version of the game).
    Yes, of course, SE would prefer to make another Final Fantasy.
    Though wait - CD (developer of LOK) does not develope FF, it is just another team, they milking Lara.

    Heretic_13
    Well, i miss Nosgoth. Didn`t think i would this much, but i do. That game gave me hope, that LOk is not forgotten. Developers, please give the thing to people. You don`t need it, you don`t want it, so give it to us
    And who was publisher of this game? SE.
    Give it to who? To fans? Nothing changed - fans (at least, fans of LOK) can't compete with professinal teams like CD or SE, the main argument will remain the same - "We are doing everything in our own pace while working our real life jobs and other commitments, so it will take long time to make even a demo.".
    To another publisher? LOK is not needed neither publisher nor developer even nor fans (the full players-base), why do you think that this product will be needed to anyone else?

    Heretic_13
    Driven by wine-driven-nostalgia attack i typed "Meridian" in search engine today, in attempt of finding some cool art work or screenshots. I got blonde pornstar instead.
    Yep, dead fan-forums, all fans of LOK are on facebook.
    Offtop: is the name of blonde pornstar - Lara?

    RainaAudron
    Firstly, Pawloski has nothing to do with this one though, his game runs on entirely different engine.
    I said: "looks like one of his projects". The main thing is not game-engine.

    RainaAudron
    so not sure what is your point here.
    My point: Soul Revenant is another fan-project that can't be finished in the foreseeable future and it is a question whether it will be finished ever (as any other fan- or even official project relevant to LOK).

    P.S.: hm, Nosgoth is dead, but CMs of this game still have. Strange.

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    And with all that said, I find it intriguing how you're trying to manipulate them to discard their attempts. For what reason do you remain here, in this blatant forum if anything that anyone touches regarding the series is a sacrilege?

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    wrace0
    I`d like to point out few things:
    1. Crystal Dynamics is now Square Enix Europe, or Uk or whatever the they call themselves, part of bigger SE group. So yes it is SE fault in my opinion. If the bossess on top want to make LOK game, but former CD people throw themselves on thier desks, defending keyboards with thier lives, preventing from making it, then i`m sorry, i didn`t know, please make a statment SE bossess... Fans will do something about it, i imagine

    2. I will not go into "why, oh why people preffer Crafty Larva or Never-Ending-Final-Fantasy over story that, in my opinion, beats them to the ground". Because i`d rant, and offend lot of people, i already was asked more than once to stop behaving like that. Only thing i will point: breasts and parts where our-backs-loose-thier-o-so-graceful-name will sell, will always sell. LOK did great job at avoiding oversexualization it characters(minus "BO2" but even then it wasn`t that bad), but that will fend off some players. I was 10 years old when SR came out. And all my freinds preffered Lara over it, they didn`t understand why i laugh at Tomb Rider(even then i knew now woman of that proportion would ever walk on less then all fours). So i started ranting...

    3. Steam statistics are useless. I have SR, SR2, BO2 and Defiance, all of them non-steam(anthology). I happen to play them about 8-10 times a year. Not to mention that Nosgoth had it`s own launcher, Steam-free prior to it end

    4. Give Nosgoth to the fans was about- there are probably ways to make some servers work. Heroes 3 is alive to this very day, to the point that Ubisoft remastered it(true, din`t change anything, but still), i can play with all my friends if i have needed program. I don`t know how, but there are people who probably would make Nosgoth work like that.

    5. Why do you say such stuff? If you are sure Soul Revenant will never happen, then you can just forget about it and let rest of us live with bit of hope. There was no LOK game in 10 years, then was Nosgoth, but they butchered it. So now i`ll have to wait, what, another 10 years, before somebody thinks of digging it up, and probably things up royaly?

    6. Belive it or not- i don`t have a facebook profile. I don`t like it. It belive it is akin to exhibitionism. I consider myself really taking step forward when i signed up here and got youtube profile, just so i can type mean and offensive comments under videos :P . So i don`t know what is going on in LOK world
    And about offtop: belive it or not, i don`t like porn, so i don`t know what is her name, i didn`t watch anything it`s just i will never be able to launch BO2 without stupid smirk brought about by coincidence, ever again

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    And with all that said, I find it intriguing how you're trying to manipulate them to discard their attempts. For what reason do you remain here, in this blatant forum if anything that anyone touches regarding the series is a sacrilege?
    I am trying to manipulate them not to discard their attempts but just to increase their efforts for that do not hear such usual (and frustrating) arguments like this one:
    We are doing everything in our own pace while working our real life jobs and other commitments, so it will take long time to make even a demo.
    from fans that either create something new by themself or just advocate CD.

    I remains here because through PM of this forum I have contacts with some greatest fans of LOK and sometimes answer on the questions of some fans.

    Heretic_13
    Fans will do something about it, i imagine
    They already do. Many-many years without hope on the final release of their products in the foreseeable future.

    Heretic_13
    LOK did great job at avoiding oversexualization it characters(minus "BO2" but even then it wasn`t that bad), but that will fend off some players.
    For example, Diablo-3 also do not have oversexualizated characters, but this game has huge players base.
    As some other games.

    Heretic_13
    Steam statistics are useless. I have SR, SR2, BO2 and Defiance, all of them non-steam(anthology).
    SE taked their money for LOK by selling these games through trading places like Steam.
    If they don't take money, of course, they will do nothing with these games.

    Heretic_13
    Give Nosgoth to the fans was about- there are probably ways to make some servers work. Heroes 3 is alive to this very day, to the point that Ubisoft remastered it(true, din`t change anything, but still), i can play with all my friends if i have needed program. I don`t know how, but there are people who probably would make Nosgoth work like that.
    I have big doubts that there are such people among fans of LOK.
    For example, I know that such people can be among fans of FF8 (because I see fully finished products for this game created by fans. Or by someone from developers but in the unofficial way, since these are really amazing things and I do not have any ideas how fans can obtain the appropriate knowledge to do something like).
    In the case of LOK I don't see yet no one product of such class.

    Heretic_13
    Why do you say such stuff? If you are sure Soul Revenant will never happen, then you can just forget about it and let rest of us live with bit of hope.
    Just simple calculations: take the time from the start of the projects and the percentage of made work at this moment, and extrapolate these data to obtain the date when this project can be finished.

    Heretic_13
    And about offtop
    This was just joke as intimation on Lara Croft.

    About BO2 and Umah: yeah, I saw some fans that played only in this game from 5 games of LOK. So funny.

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    I am trying to manipulate them not to discard their attempts but just to increase their efforts for that do not hear such usual (and frustrating) arguments like this one:
    I am not really sure what are you complaining about now, wrace. That we try to make something in our own efforts and it is not fast enough for you? I am trully baffled here. As you said, it is a free to download project so you cannot expect that we are just like a funded team with a development time of 2-3 years that AAA games have. To expect a full game done by now in our conditions is madness.

    Just simple calculations: take the time from the start of the projects and the percentage of made work at this moment, and extrapolate these data to obtain the date when this project can be finished.
    Whether and when a project will be finished is impossible to predict as we are not working on it full time. I do not understand why would it be needed anyway.

    P.S.: hm, Nosgoth is dead, but CMs of this game still have. Strange.
    Still have what? Do you mean Oghamsmith or Saikocat? Because they have both moved onto different projects.

  11. #36
    @Wrace0 & @Heretic_13 There are forums on www.talesofnosgoth.co.uk and www.nosgoth.net, but they are fairly quiet at the moment. We were trying to import the posts from the old Nosgothic Realm yuku forums, but were having some trouble, because I had to write a script without full access to the site. So it will be pretty quiet unless I can do that. I'm not really that familiar with phpbb3 (used on the www.nosgoth.net forums) or php in general, so it's very difficult. Not to mention I'm moving from the UK to Canada next month, so I'm really busy.
    "If events are matched closely enough to course, they have a way of restructuring themselves to familiar outcomes." ~ Scorpius, Farscape

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    Vampmaster, I think that forums of LOK will be still quiet until new game of LOK will appear or until will be made some improvements for existing games since fans just do not have themes to talk.

    RainaAudron
    As you said, it is a free to download project so you cannot expect that we are just like a funded team with a development time of 2-3 years that AAA games have. To expect a full game done by now in our conditions is madness.
    Yes. Offical developers do not want/can create new game / improve existed ones (in several years at most), fans can't do the same in tolerable time range due to obvious reasons.


    RainaAudron
    Still have what? Do you mean Oghamsmith or Saikocat? Because they have both moved onto different projects.
    I would suggest that they moved onto "Rise of the Tomb Raider", but I saw that the first of them is playing now in Hitman.
    Last edited by wrace0; 5th Jul 2016 at 05:50.
    Support of LOK-games is the duty of Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics.

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    The app I tracked the letter by reports it to be delivered, good deed done for the month.

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    I've been for some time considering sending a letter(s) to Amy Hennig (NOT that kind of letter) for what she considers to be the next phase after Defiance. We're currently left at the end of one era and at the start of the next, but where'd it take us? That's something most of us are still waiting to unearth.

    While she isn't any longer affiliated, well officially, with the franchise I do consider her to be THE writer and director most fitting for it - but may I be so bold to do such a claim on your behalf?

    I feel I alone don't want to represent the whole envelope with my own words contained within, only a part of it. That's why I'm going to ask for your input to articulate it.

    Dear Ms.Hennig!

    This letter is a final draft influenced by several people with enthusiastic grip on the "Legacy Of Kain" franchise, and so does not represent of one individual.

    Since the dawn of "Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain" you inadvertently paved way for memories to form and deeply take root with its release among us witnesses. While many scoffed in ignorance at its significant story and well-spoken articulation among the characters throughout all the titles WE who realized the world the games plays out embraced the franchise, thus never returned the titles at Gamestop.

    But we were left at a membrane between two eras, one leaving at Defiance but unknown beginning of the next.
    Criticism, rewrite, adding or removal - what's your suggestion?

    I'll be editing this post with whatever is fitting, otherwise there'll be a hell of wall of text.

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    Not to presume to speak for anyone else whatsoever, but I think Amy has just moved on from LoK. She was contacted a couple of years ago, and I believe she declined to comment on the mythos or the state of the games out of professional courtesy. I don't mean to say you shouldn't send a letter, but best not to expect involved answers on these things. She's maintained it's up to Square and Crystal if they wish to further the series. Daniel Cabuco has taken a slightly different but equally gracious approach, making himself readily available for discussion on the LoK Facebook groups, and is probably the best person to reach out to for such insight.
    "A return to Nosgoth is not necessarily always welcome: only the attainment of that final gnosis will satisfy us." – Sam Zucchi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Aevum View Post
    Not to presume to speak for anyone else whatsoever, but I think Amy has just moved on from LoK. She was contacted a couple of years ago, and I believe she declined to comment on the mythos or the state of the games out of professional courtesy. I don't mean to say you shouldn't send a letter, but best not to expect involved answers on these things. She's maintained it's up to Square and Crystal if they wish to further the series. Daniel Cabuco has taken a slightly different but equally gracious approach, making himself readily available for discussion on the LoK Facebook groups, and is probably the best person to reach out to for such insight.
    I've pondered quite a while after your post, and have come to the conclusion to not bother. While she wished Square Enix/Eidos the best and hope for the best to happen to the franchise as she left for Naughty Dog - the latter most certainly didn't do favorable.

    I've instead taken a bold step to ask Simon Templeman openly on Twitter if he would consider do non-profit contribution as Kain if Soul Revenant, or future fan-sequel, culled his interest. Not specifically that sentence but just about conveyed within Twitter's limitations.

    Did I say I was pragmatic?

    I believe so.

    Edit:

    Also another letter sent to SE Europe.

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    Another letter sent.

    Not much else.

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    These are the fathomless truths, Raziel:
    The agony of birth and death and rebirth – this is the Wheel of Fate, the purifying cycle which sustains all life.
    Support of LOK-games is the duty of Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics.

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    Decadent much?

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    While I continued mailing Square Enix I also took an opportunity to contact the legal trademark representative in Europe, Williams Powell, asking to forward my letter in his/their name. With no expectations in mind I received a response a week later with a PDF attachment (se image below). I censored the personal/identity details:





    A few weeks later I received a follow-up reply from the same representative with good news, although nothing YET just as important about the future of LoK.

    (Clickable image)



    Alright Square Enix got informed and received a reply back, it is a good day.
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    (Hm, you might want to check your redactions again )

    We shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Hylden View Post
    (Hm, you might want to check your redactions again )

    We shall see.
    Heh, oops. Well changed a few now, it'll do.

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    I can still see his full name on there, you know... Besides, I don´t think he will be too too happy about you posting his private email publicly without asking...

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    Great ongoing detective work Ohem; thank you very much for sharing.

    I notice he did mention relaying that to you in confidence, so I'd suggest paraphrasing and curating the info further if only out of good faith for the guy, but it's your call!
    "A return to Nosgoth is not necessarily always welcome: only the attainment of that final gnosis will satisfy us." – Sam Zucchi

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainaAudron View Post
    I can still see his full name on there, you know... Besides, I don´t think he will be too too happy about you posting his private email publicly without asking...
    It's a business email, I don't think he minds now I've edited out the most personal (again, I blame on lack of sleep). The rest is just business info, so free advert? I also kinda need to show something for credibility, I only wanted to share some news for the fanbase - no malignant purpose intended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Aevum View Post
    Great ongoing detective work Ohem; thank you very much for sharing.

    I notice he did mention relaying that to you in confidence, so I'd suggest paraphrasing and curating the info further if only out of good faith for the guy, but it's your call!

    I think he has already done so much his altruism allows him. He forwarded the letter to SE on my behalf and I suppose SE isn't sharing more than NDA would let them. It might also come forth as taking advantage of him as well in his point of view, I don't want to ruin that faith.

    To know they're working on something regarding LoK, and with confidence, is good enough for me
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