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    Isn't it time to visit Mesopotamia?

    I could be wrong, but I believe Lara has never visited Mesopotamia, modern day Iraq, in any of her games right?

    What a shame! Mesopotamia was the place were the first advanced civilisation on earth came to be. The people that we now call Sumerians builded the first cities, invented writing, irrigation, bronze tools, they were the first to build temples for their gods and wrote the first great epic story: Gilgamesh. Kinda like Star Wars, except 5000 years old...



    Their cultural and technological advancement spread across the middle east and over hundreds of years gave rise to the Phoenician civilisation in modern day Libanon and Syria, who in turn spread it across the Mediterranean to Crete, Greece and Carthage (modern day Tunis) and eventually to Italy were, 3000 years after the start, the Roman Empire was born. So basicly the whole Western civilisation can trace it's origins al the way back to ancient Sumeria.

    Let's show some pictures as to what the Sumerians and their successor-civilisations did:


    The juwels of Miss Sumeria 3000 BC.


    They builded pyramid-shapes temples known as ziggurats. This is a reconstruction of the ziggurat of Ur.


    They worshipped sexy goddesses: this is a Babylonian relief of the fertility goddess Isthar.


    The great city of Babylon had a beautiful gate: completely reconstructed and now on display in Berlin.


    Statues of bulls or lions with wings and human heads were found at the entrances of cities and palaces to scare off evildoers.


    The god Marduk has been worshipped for over 3000 years.


    The Persians were strictly speaking not Mesopotamians, but they did build an impressive Royal palace at Persepolis. It was burned down by Alexander the Great when he got drunk...

    So, after this brief introduction to the ancient Mesopotamian cultures I got to ask, is it not time that Lara was to visit this so called 'cradle of civilisation'? I've seen concept art for TR Legend that showed Mesopotamian scenes, but appearently it was skipped. I think there's a huge potential here to explore a civilisation that isn't all that well explored in modern culture. Now of course we know what happened in Iraq over the last decade and care should be taken in the choice of human enemies, but there's also a story to be told here, as archeology has suffered tremendously under the war and many museums have been plundered. Lara should be the first to come to the rescue of those precious artefacts. So what do you say?

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    It's a great idea. To be honest, I'm surprised that the developers didn't sent Lara on an expedition to Mesopotamia after all these years, but it was all because of the storyline. Now that they rebooted the serial, I see no reason for Lara not to go there. I expect her to find some very important ancient artifact there, something that helped the human race to rise.

    Nice work, by the way, with finding great pictures that truly show a great Mesopotamian culture.

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    Thanks,

    I've found something else by the way: a short animated movie telling the story of Gilgamesh. Let me invite everyone to set just 11 minutes aside to watch this: come on it's a really beautiful story:


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    I agree.

    One of the lures with the Egypt levels for me was that they were truly ancient. I loved LAU for the same reason, with the ancient Atlantis theme.

    The latest iteration of Tomb Raider was a little too modern for me. I'd like to get back to that ancient, truly unknown arena.
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    that sure would be an interesting setting to be in. this looks more llike tomb raiding. at times i wonder what the developers have in mind where to take lara next.
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    It is time to visit Mesopotamia!

    Thanks for all of this! Very interesting

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    It would be a great culture for Lara to delve into

    The whole Incan & Egyptian ruins has been done a lot, time for something fresh
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    You might be on to something there

    But first she needs to travel to Toronto to discover if the folklore of the Elusive AdobeArtist is real or just myth
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    Quote Originally Posted by adobeARTIST View Post
    You might be on to something there

    But first she needs to travel to Toronto to discover if the folklore of the Elusive AdobeArtist is real or just myth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurre View Post
    Thanks,

    I've found something else by the way: a short animated movie telling the story of Gilgamesh. Let me invite everyone to set just 11 minutes aside to watch this: come on it's a really beautiful story:

    Great video, I've read some parts of Epic of Gilgamesh few years ago. Wouldn't it be great that Lara actually finds a source of immortality? Gilgamesh didn't, but Lara definitely could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivana KC View Post
    Great video, I've read some parts of Epic of Gilgamesh few years ago. Wouldn't it be great that Lara actually finds a source of immortality? Gilgamesh didn't, but Lara definitely could.
    Ah, but the moral of the story is not to search for immortality, but to enjoy the time that is given you... Well I guess that could also be the lesson Lara takes from her Mesopotamian adventure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurre View Post
    Ah, but the moral of the story is not to search for immortality, but to enjoy the time that is given you... Well I guess that could also be the lesson Lara takes from her Mesopotamian adventure

    I thought more like Lara finds that something, and then she burns it because she is a good person and she knows that immortality brings lots of trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adobeARTIST View Post
    But first she needs to travel to Toronto to discover if the folklore of the Elusive AdobeArtist is real or just myth
    She'll just get Adam and Jamie on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurre View Post
    Ah, but the moral of the story is not to search for immortality, but to enjoy the time that is given you... Well I guess that could also be the lesson Lara takes from her Mesopotamian adventure
    I would think her ordeal on Yamatai would instill in her a greater appreciation for the time she has to live

    Quote Originally Posted by Driber View Post
    She'll just get Adam and Jamie on that
    uhhhh... who???

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    Finally watched the vid. Quite a tail. I remember now when Captain Picard recited the story in the episode when the alien captain (played by Paul Winfield, the species that communicated by literary imagery) abducted him to fight a beast creature.

    And according to this video, the Christian Bible isn't the first to tell the tale of God charging man to preserve the animals in an ark, when about to wash the world in a flood. Could be they co-opted that story from the Sumerians? makes you wonder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adobeARTIST View Post
    And according to this video, the Christian Bible isn't the first to tell the tale of God charging man to preserve the animals in an ark, when about to wash the world in a flood. Could be they co-opted that story from the Sumerians? makes you wonder.
    That's exactly right! According to what I've learned at college, the Hebrews learned the story about the flood during the Babylonian captivity; around 590 BC. During this time the Hebrews were fored into exile in Babylon and there they learned the Sumerian tale about the great flood and put it into their own holy books that later became the bible. They changed the name of Utnapishtim into Noah.

    I better stop here... Once I start talking about history...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurre View Post
    That's exactly right! According to what I've learned at college, the Hebrews learned the story about the flood during the Babylonian captivity; around 590 BC. During this time the Hebrews were fored into exile in Babylon and there they learned the Sumerian tale about the great flood and put it into their own holy books that later became the bible. They changed the name of Utnapishtim into Noah.

    I better stop here... Once I start talking about history...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurre View Post
    That's exactly right! According to what I've learned at college, the Hebrews learned the story about the flood during the Babylonian captivity; around 590 BC. During this time the Hebrews were fored into exile in Babylon and there they learned the Sumerian tale about the great flood and put it into their own holy books that later became the bible. They changed the name of Utnapishtim into Noah.

    I better stop here... Once I start talking about history...
    I saw the Bill Mahr's movie "Riligulous" where his research showed the Egyptians had a story about a man born of the Gods, who performed miracles like curing the blind, walking on water, and after his death was resurrected. Also sounds quite familiar

    @Driber; yeah I know the show, just didn't know their names. But yer doing it all wrong. It's LARA who's supposed to investigate Toronto. She doesn't sub-contract ya know
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    Quote Originally Posted by adobeARTIST View Post
    I saw the Bill Mahr's movie "Riligulous" where his research showed the Egyptians had a story about a man born of the Gods, who performed miracles like curing the blind, walking on water, and after his death was resurrected. Also sounds quite familiar
    Yeah he was talking about the Egyptian god Horus. I am not sure about all the things he mentioned, but it's true many things associated to Jezus were already present in comparable gods and heroes around the Mediterranean at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adobeARTIST View Post
    You might be on to something there

    But first she needs to travel to Toronto to discover if the folklore of the Elusive AdobeArtist is real or just myth
    "Myths are usually based on some version of the truth" - Lara Croft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adobeARTIST View Post
    @Driber; yeah I know the show, just didn't know their names. But yer doing it all wrong. It's LARA who's supposed to investigate Toronto. She doesn't sub-contract ya know
    Sure she does; she's a busy gal, after all!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle Croft View Post
    "Myths are usually based on some version of the truth" - Lara Croft.
    You don't wanna know the truth behind my myth

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    Sure she does; she's a busy gal, after all!

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    Here's the TR Legend concept art I was talking about:


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    Look, on the left panel next to the door it's the exact same image of Ishtar as shown in the OP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurre View Post
    Here's the TR Legend concept art I was talking about:


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    Look, on the left panel next to the door it's the exact same image of Ishtar as shown in the OP
    It's a shame these weren't used...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurre View Post
    Here's the TR Legend concept art I was talking about:


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    Look, on the left panel next to the door it's the exact same image of Ishtar as shown in the OP
    Had no idea Mesopotamia was considered for Legend, I hope we will see it at some point. But I would also go back to Egypt any time at any day. Egypt is just a class on it's own.

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