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    I don't know why topics like the following are likely to be closed within minutes. That just happened over there
    at tombraiderforums.com to me. Nudity seems to be a big taboo while nobody really cares about discussions regarding violence in
    the game. Isn't that just ridiculous? This is my second try and I really hope you guys care about freedom of speech. It's the
    official Tomb Raider 2012 forum.

    CD decided to start all over and create a game for a mature audience. I really appreciate that decision because it opens new
    gates. It makes room for a even better experience and therefore a better game. There is just one thing. Violence is very
    helpful to make the game look realistic, but it isn't everything. CD shouldn't only focus on violence. She just stranded on an
    island and there are just dudes around her, right? Wouldn't it be appropriate to include a little bit of some kind of nudity or
    sexually related story parts? I think this is a real enhancement, because it is a part of a framwork for a an truly epic story. A story that doesn't only focus on killing.
    Such kind of story would play with very different kind of emotions and that is simply great. Please don't get me wrong. All I want is
    just an epic story. I just wan't to be touched while I am playing the game and at the end and that wasn't really possible with
    all the previous more or less drastically defused games.

    Is it possible to disuss this topic here or is this place also full of "Violence YAY (way more harmfull) - Nudity NO! NO! NO! (harmless in contrast to violence)" kind of people?

    Here is the content of my first original posting:

    C'mon Crystal Dynamics. She's on an island and there are other humans around her - male humans to be precise - and mother nature ... wait ... here is my point:

    Thanks to the possible M-rating there is more room for a even better story available and you shouldn't therefore only focus on violence. That would just suck. It would be really lame to waste so much potential. An epic story full of different kind of emotions and feelings would be really epic. Some kind of "love" or simply nudity should be a part of it. Please make the famous step into cold water. Game development is a kind of art and we wan't to see something great. Give us not just a story. Give us something epic, please.

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    I don't see how it will fit into the story. She's going to be stuck on an island trying to escape. Yes, there will be men there too and a romance could develop, doesn't mean she has to take her clothes off. It would seem that she couldn't last over a couple of weeks on an Island like that, maybe even less and I don't want to see her dropping her clothes off in such a short amount of time. I don't think it's the right image we want to give off of Lara. She's a sex symbol, yes, but I still don't want to see her naked. It just seems like she'll lose her dignity that she has gained over the years and become a sleazy, porn-star/game-heroine. I do think this kind of thing should still be discussed and not tabooed though.

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    If they finally go the route of TR: The RPG, I have as much trouble with this idea as I do the idea of nudity in the Witcher games - IE none.

    But until and unless they are prepared to offer the players RPG-like choice, I don't see any real place for nudity or relationships in a TR game.

    An 'adult' game, to me, is not about violence or nudity (Though it may contain either or both). It is about telling a mature story and dealing with adult themes.

    The violence in TR has always been a part of the game, but it has never been gratuitous. Lara fights to defend herself or others, not because she gets a kick out of killing things. I do not want to see gratuitous violence in a TR game, and by the same token I do not want to see gratuitous nudity, either.

    If the game's only (Or even main) selling point is 'See Lara's Naked Body', that's not a game I would be interested in.
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    ^ Agreed. Many saddos out there will suddenly become interested in buying the game just to see Lara's naked body if CD do this and remember that Lara is one of the few games that have a massive female fan-base too. I'm sure a lot of them, including me, would be distraught to find Lara suddenly taking her clothes off at all, let alone it not bringing anything to benefit the story.

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    Welcome to the forum, Anthony.

    You may discuss this here, as long as your posts remain civilized, friendly and respectful of other people's opinions. And of course they should abide the rest of our TOU

    Having said that, the last line in the quote in your OP is not welcome, as you are kind of poking fun of a religion. Please take that one line out by editing your first post and I'll allow this thread to remain open

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    Lady R,

    It's the message it would send, to me: "Hey girls! You may be smart, daring, talented - whatever! What truly matters is showing your boobs!" I may be a guy, but I utterly and totally object to that!

    Lara is one of a tiny number of game characters who really is a great aspirational figure for young women. Probably why female gamers like her so much, in fact. I don't want to see that wrecked for the sake of a possible temporary sales spike.

    The character deserves better, and female gamers certainly deserve better!
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    I'm not saying all girls will object and all boys won't. I'm just saying Lara has a strong female fan based already there who will object. Most of Lara's male fans, i'm sure, will object as well but her nudity will bring in males that weren't interested in TR before that suddenly want to play for the wrong reasons. I have faith that the majority of Lara's long (and short) term male fans will also be objected to this as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyRufina View Post
    ^ Agreed. Many saddos out there will suddenly become interested in buying the game just to see Lara's naked body if CD do this and remember that Lara is one of the few games that have a massive female fan-base too. I'm sure a lot of them, including me, would be distraught to find Lara suddenly taking her clothes off at all, let alone it not bringing anything to benefit the story.
    The female body is something highly valuable. This mysterious thing able to enchant us humans in a heavy way. I wasn't talking about some kind of interactive porn ... no I mean I wasn't talking about interactive low-quality porn. You can do it in an highly erotic way. A way some girls might also enjoy. I think the level in Tokio (Legend) is some kind of a example. It was a great addition to the story. I enjoyed it to see her in that great dress and the scene behind the bar where she pulled out her weapons ... oh boy...

    This has also nothing to do to make Lara look like a cheap sex object. That wasn't CDs goal at all. All the stuff related to the sex object blah, blah has a different source.

    By the way: My goal isn't it to offend all you girls here. I am definitely not this kind of dude. You can trust me.

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    I can... sort of... understand what you're trying to say but I think, generally, females have a different view of sexy to males. I do think, as a heterosexual woman, that Lara is sexy no matter what she wears. She's sexy because she oozes sophistication, beauty and confidence. I think that's more of my view of what sexy is in a woman and not just bare skin like some men think it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyRufina View Post
    I can... sort of... understand what you're trying to say but I think, generally, females have a different view of sexy to males. I do think, as a heterosexual woman, that Lara is sexy no matter what she wears. She's sexy because she oozes sophistication, beauty and confidence. I think that's more of my view of what sexy is in a woman and not just bare skin like some men think it is.
    I'm a straight male TR fan and I agree 110% with you. After all the effort and planning to make Lara a relatable and convincing human character don't you think that nudity would attract the wrong kind of popularity to the series?
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    You just made another really good point QiX. One of the biggest reasons behind this reboot is to bring Lara down to earth to get her good sales and keep her going in th franchise. Sure her being nude would attract some more gamers but this is not the route we want her to go down. If they're gonna reboot, do it right. Don't just throw in unnecessary things just for the sake of it.

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    I don't see how nudity can come into play in this type of game.
    AnthonyP_88 can you explain, how nudity can come into play?
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    While I've got nothing against it, heck, I've played God of War 3, but it just doesn't fit... Big NO, and yeah, it's highly unlikely to happen.
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    I pretty much agree with LadyR on this subject, so I won't be repeating it. Bottom line - big no from me.
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    No nudity please... It's not that I don't appreciate the female figure... It's just I'd rather not see it flaunted whilst I'm trying to escape an island... Plus I'm sure she would be able to craft a bra from a couple leaves...
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    You have a good point, OP. However, practically speaking Lara has a certain plus-sized history that unfortunately cannot be coupled with nudity for CD's less mature audience - who are the majority - without being seen as anything other than smut.

    You and I and the other members on this board recognize this but you must concede that we are probably the exception.
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    i think what makes her most attracted is that she never shows what's behind those bikinis lol
    but seriously nudity is not appropriate for such Story ... being stuck in an island. or whatever .
    and about her ripped off clothes :-? hmmm u see back in Legend i think she was pretty confident of what she was up to and of course she was a pro . but now she can't rips her clothes every time she see's a wolf or something
    the E3 demo looked pretty realistic to me (sure jumping around after that thing bleeding ... whatever)
    so my point is : nudity is NOT Necessary and it won't be .
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    It's not a matter or maturity, more of a matter of taste. She has normal sized boobs in this game, it doesn't matter about her 'history' or her boob size, I just don't want to see her naked because it doesn't bring anything, other than pleasure to randy males, to the game. But if you could think up a scenario where it would bring in something good to the story then i'm all ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jakobsen View Post
    I don't see how nudity can come into play in this type of game.
    AnthonyP_88 can you explain, how nudity can come into play?
    light version:
    Oh yes. That is a pretty easy task. Just imagine a cutscene where she is standing near a little waterfall washing herself and one of those dudes who was looking for her finds her finally ... under the waterfall.

    hard version:
    One of those dudes waits for the right moment and tries to rape her. It is almost to late but she manages to grab a rock or a knife and wounds him hard or even kills him.

    EDIT: The latter could have a heavy impact on the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyRufina View Post
    It's not a matter or maturity, more of a matter of taste. She has normal sized boobs in this game, it doesn't matter about her 'history' or her boob size, I just don't want to see her naked because it doesn't bring anything, other than pleasure to randy males, to the game. But if you could think up a scenario where it would bring in something good to the story then i'm all ears.
    flashbacks maybe ? lol im just kidding
    but still even if it fits the story i think it's a bad idea . she's an iconic character this will just ruin her :|
    light version:
    Oh yes. That is a pretty easy task. Just imagine a cutscene where she is standing near a little waterfall washing herself and one of those dudes who was looking for her finds her finally ... under the waterfall.

    hard version:
    One of those dudes waits for the right moment and tries to rape her. It is almost to late but she manages to grab a rock or a knife and wounds him hard or even kills him.

    EDIT: The latter could have a heavy impact on the story.
    seriously dude ?! o0 it's a pervert mind u have (no offence)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwoodsoftime View Post
    flashbacks maybe ? lol im just kidding
    but still even if it fits the story i think it's a bad idea . she's an iconic character this will just ruin her :|
    Can we really say this about her? I mean it is a reboot and we don't know that much about her character at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyP_88 View Post
    Can we really say this about her? I mean it is a reboot and we don't know that much about her character at the moment.
    well it's not a reboot completely . in some podcasts karl mentioned that this is a journey that makes her the lara croft who we all know . right ?
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    You posted this in another forum? Seriously, won't happen. Are you some form of pervert?
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    I know that waterfall thing could happen but why would she have to be naked? He could try to rape her and she hurts him or kills him before he rips her clothes off.

    @Darkwoodsoftime: I know. I am completely against her being naked but I want to hear the other side of the discussion also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyP_88 View Post
    light version:
    Oh yes. That is a pretty easy task. Just imagine a cutscene where she is standing near a little waterfall washing herself and one of those dudes who was looking for her finds her finally ... under the waterfall.

    hard version:
    One of those dudes waits for the right moment and tries to rape her. It is almost to late but she manages to grab a rock or a knife and wounds him hard or even kills him.

    EDIT: The latter could have a heavy impact on the story.
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwoodsoftime View Post
    well it's not a reboot completely . in some podcasts karl mentioned that this is a journey that makes her the lara croft who we all know . right ?
    Pervert or not... but that could explain her 'later'(TR1-5) attitude to man... at least I seen her back then as MAN hater.
    I'm still against nudity in TR9, but that could make sense.
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