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  1. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by LadyRufina View Post
    [... not quoted ... ] other than pleasure to randy males, to the game. [... not quoted ...]

    I don't know if the average porn site subscriptor would be satisfied with ... say ... some kind of novel. Do you really think those guys would buy the game just because of one or two nude scenes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlade View Post
    You posted this in another forum? Seriously, won't happen. Are you some form of pervert?
    That's kind of insensitive. This is a mature forum and we are all (hopefully) mature people and nudity and violence are mature subjects. While I am against the idea of Lara being nude I respect that some people are for it but not just to see her naked body like some people out there.

  3. #28
    ^^ Not just completely for the nude scenes, but you could imagine a few people who might have wanted to buy it but found out it had nude scenes and just decided to buy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBlade View Post
    You posted this in another forum? Seriously, won't happen. Are you some form of pervert?
    LadyR already summed it up, but I'll just state it officially: please refrain from making these kinds of derogatory remarks to other members. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyP_88 View Post
    I don't know if the average porn site subscriptor would be satisfied with ... say ... some kind of novel. Do you really think those guys would buy the game just because of one or two nude scenes?
    Yes

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyP_88 View Post
    light version:
    Oh yes. That is a pretty easy task. Just imagine a cutscene where she is standing near a little waterfall washing herself and one of those dudes who was looking for her finds her finally ... under the waterfall.

    hard version:
    One of those dudes waits for the right moment and tries to rape her. It is almost to late but she manages to grab a rock or a knife and wounds him hard or even kills him.

    EDIT: The latter could have a heavy impact on the story.
    When I read about the waterfall and her bathing, I figured: Okay, that's cool, it doesn't have to be a close-up scene, but when the dude came into scene or the hard version, it's downright wrong...
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  6. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyP_88 View Post
    She just stranded on an island and there are just dudes around her, right? Wouldn't it be appropriate to include a little bit of some kind of nudity or sexually related story parts? I think this is a real enhancement, because it is a part of a framwork for a an truly epic story. A story that doesn't only focus on killing.
    It may be the obvious thought that nudity would add more sex appeal to the game but actually it would do the opposite. Much of sexyness of Lara is the fact she doesn't show everything and that she is very classy. Think more the art of the tease. Even with nudity within the right context there would still probably be posting of screengrabs of the particualar shots across the net which would stop new people trying out the series. I am all for Lara being sexy but I just can't see a way that going as far nudity could be a positive

    When you talk about the relationship side of things I thought the way Lara interacted with Kurtis in AOD and Larson in TRA was fantastic. A bit of flirting may be good but again putting her in a sexual relationship on the island would probably end up being very unpopular.
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  7. #32
    NO, I do not want to see Nude Raider. I might like my Lara to be sexy, in addition to being intelligent, and capable of action, and speaking as a red-blooded, heterosexual American male, she need not be nude.

  8. #33
    Pornography is degradation of the human body. Nudity =/= porn. It's not even sexual or erotic, considering how most of us look without our clothes on.

    The context in which I think nudity would work in this game is if it were a result of trying to achieve a certain level of realism. Much like how poster-girl-Lara has blood and scratches on her face because she survived a shipwreck. But that's like saying there shouldn't be any censorship at all for this game which is of course completely fanciful.

    Face it. We just can't handle a nude Lara yet. The world isn't ready.
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  9. #34
    The gaming community would just see it as very tacky. I don't think I would want to see it either.
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  10. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Andy64 View Post
    The gaming community would just see it as very tacky. I don't think I would want to see it either.
    Agreed.

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    Pfft. Stop kidding yourself. Of course you do! You're just ashamed to admit it
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  12. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwoodsoftime View Post
    well it's not a reboot completely . in some podcasts karl mentioned that this is a journey that makes her the lara croft who we all know . right ?
    I'm still not sure about it. Here is something Darrell Gallagher once said [Source: ign.com]:

    “Forget everything you know about TOMB RAIDER, we are exploring things that have never been done before in this game,” said Darrell Gallagher, Head of Studio, Crystal Dynamics. “This is an origins story that creates Lara Croft and takes her on a character defining journey like no other.”
    It isn't wrong to associate "... things that have never been done before in this game" with the topic of this thread. All they do is to explore new waters.

  13. #38
    I like Lady R's definition of sexy, I must admit. Accords with my own very strongly. Intelligence, confidence and personality have vastly more to do with sex appeal than 'has big boobs'.

    Driber's right, too - there are LOADS of guys who would buy a game purely to see Lara flash her boobs. Depressingly!
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  14. #39
    Sex appeal is indeed subjective.

    Some folks like rail thin supermodel chicks. Some folks like BBW's (fat chicks...but, the politically correct term is Big Beautiful Woman). Some folks like plain janes, some folks like athletic, some folks like the naughty schoolmarm, some folks like this...some like that.

    I love that Lara is indeed smart, able, resourceful, and sexy to boot. I never really saw the necessity of her having extremely large breasts though. As much as I love a well formed woman, I do know that large breasts are a strain on them...some women have breast reductions because really large breasts are just extra weight...or perhaps too much weight.) In truth, with Lara's original incarnations, I'm amazed she didn't constantly topple forward with her top-heaviness.

    Further truth, I think the sexiest thing about Lara is her accent. British chicks...especially hot British chicks....gotta love those voices.

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    It doesn't hurt at all if a lady is well spoken, I must admit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot Kane View Post
    Driber's right, too - there are LOADS of guys who would buy a game purely to see Lara flash her boobs. Depressingly!
    Yeah and the graph showing CDs and Square Enix income would look like the one Al Gore showed regarding carbon dioxide.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyP_88 View Post
    Yeah and the graph showing CDs and Square Enix icome would look like the one Al Gore showed regarding carbon dioxide.
    Short term, yeah. But I wouldn't want to see the graph for the next game with the female gamers deserting in droves and the novelty of seeing Lara's boobs now having worn off...

    The dangers with any franchise are twofold, really: change too much and you lose your fans; don't change enough and the franchise stagnates, which also loses fans.

    Radical change to the things that gamers actually enjoy when change isn't needed, however... Well, compare the player scores on Metacritic for the two Dragon Age games if you want an idea of how well that works...

    TR needs rebooting. I think most of us accept that, even if we may not exactly love it. But there is a vast difference between Lara having sex appeal (As she always has) and Lara being a sex object (Which none of her fans want to see).

    Pointless nudity would cross that line.
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  18. #43
    Indeed pointless boob flashes out off context are dumb and really not necessary, but I can't believe that the kind of erotic art you can see for example in Titanic (the drawing scene) represents something like a threat for female gamers.

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    I have to admit, in that context, it did add to the story in a good way. I just can't see how it could fit in with this TR. That was a romantic scene and I don't see this TR having such a romantic theme, neither do I want it.

  20. #45
    The example doesn't fit. Titanic was a three hours lenght melodrama. This is the last thing I want to see Tomb Raider changed into
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  21. #46
    Let us assume Mr. Roth has very good drawing skills and he wants to draw Lara. She is young and beautiful and he simply wants a drawing of her in his collection. All they really need to do is to find an appropriate rock and ...

    EDIT: I know Titanic wasn't a good examples, but all I wanted to do is to point out that erotic isn't something evil and should have a place in mature rated computer games.

  22. #47
    'Mature' =/= 'naked'.

    What makes the Witcher games mature, for example, is not the nudity. It's the treatment of very serious themes like racism, terrorism, murder, etc, in an adult fashion. It's showing a brutal and unforgiving world without soft-soaping or dumbing down.
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  23. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot Kane View Post
    'Mature' =/= 'naked'.
    Come off it! If naked isn't mature, then what is it? Adolescent? Inappropriate? Pornographic? That's me putting words in your mouth, but why are you insisting on such a thing? Nudity is a mature theme which demands a level of maturity from the audience so that it's not relegated and dismissed as all the things I just mentioned.
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  24. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by TrickyVein View Post
    Come off it! If naked isn't mature, then what is it? Adolescent? Inappropriate? Pornographic? That's me putting words in your mouth, but why are you insisting on such a thing? Nudity is a mature theme which demands a level of maturity from the audience so that it's not relegated and dismissed as all the things I just mentioned.
    You have completely misunderstood me, Tricky.

    'Mature' is not the same thing as 'Naked'. In other words, as explained by the rest of my post you selectively quoted, a truly 'Mature' game is one that involves real adult themes and deals with them in an adult fashion. Just throwing in naked people is NOT mature, though it is sure to gain an adult rating.

    Adult stories may be told without nudity. Nudity may be featured in things that are 'Adult' in name only, with no actual mature content, but really aimed at giggling teens. I'm sure you would agree with that summation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliot Kane View Post
    What makes the Witcher games mature, for example, is not the nudity. It's the treatment of very serious themes like racism, terrorism, murder, etc, in an adult fashion. It's showing a brutal and unforgiving world without soft-soaping or dumbing down.
    Exactly You can tell darker stories and stuff...
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