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[h+]^3? / "Of Bulls & Bees, Horns & Honey" - Mythology & Symbolism in DX:HR

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    Lightbulb [h+]^3? / "Of Bulls & Bees, Horns & Honey" - Mythology & Symbolism in DX:HR

    Hey guys,

    Just wondering what this formula, symbol, equation(whatever you call it) means, stands for or is for?

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    Originally Posted by Di3oxide
    Hey guys,

    Just wondering what this formula, symbol, equation(whatever you call it) means, stands for or is for?
    H+ is a transhumanist symbol. Other than that I don't know.
    I am Parado! God of opposites, contradictions and paradoxes!

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    It means Human + ...but plus what? Technology? Magic? A weak definition of evolution?
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    humans plus 3 + sentient godlike floating question mark

    there I solved it
    I SERVE NONE BUT KORROK
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    A hydrogen anion (or is it cation? It's positive, but not really "metallic") , the electron of which has been promoted "up" three levels by absorbing some particular band of electromagnetic radiation?

    Or, maybe its a measure of acidity, the concentration of free hydrogen ions, promoted to the third power?
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    H+ is Humanity plus 1, which represents the whole WE SHALL BECOME MORE THAN HUMAN thing Human Revolution's got a boner for. The three is just for Deus Ex 3.
    If you want to make enemies, try to change something.

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    Thanks, I'll begin to extract my head from where it did reside - up me bum for a little bit.

    I apologize.
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    Originally Posted by JackShandy
    H+ is Humanity plus 1, which represents the whole WE SHALL BECOME MORE THAN HUMAN thing Human Revolution's got a boner for.
    Interesting imagery! I am a little curious yet seriously concerned about the logo for Human Revolution you might have created given the opportunity

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    [h+] is the congruence class of h-adjoint. I'm not sure why it is cubed.

    What?

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    Originally Posted by K^2
    [h+] is the congruence class of h-adjoint. I'm not sure why it is cubed.
    For MOAR POWER!!!

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    I read that as an ion of Hydrogen with one electron removed, cubed.
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    Originally Posted by JackShandy
    H+ is Humanity plus 1, which represents the whole WE SHALL BECOME MORE THAN HUMAN thing Human Revolution's got a boner for. The three is just for Deus Ex 3.
    This is probably accurate.

    ...unless it's the equation we need to put in the computer at the end of the game.

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    Lightbulb "Of Bulls & Bees, Horns & Honey" - Mythology & Symbolism in DX:HR

    Just some fun...


    I'm curious as to the references to bulls and bees we've noted in DX:HR so far. Perhaps it is no coincidence? There exists a close connection to mythology and symbolism that DX usually draws upon.

    The Bee and Bull symbolism go hand-in-hand in Greek mythology - they believed that "bees were born of bulls". Zeus himself was raised by bees and Dionysus, the Bull God, was raised on honey, and is said to have assumed the form of a bull before being torn to pieces and reborn as a Bee. The Labyrinth was reported to resemble a beehive in layout....
    The list goes on and on and I've added some further information below, sourced from various history websites.

    If you find any further references to mythology in DX:HR, we can use this thread to share and discuss.

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    UPDATES:

    Adam Jensen, the game's hero, lives in a luxury apartment complex in downtown Detroit named the Chiron Building. This may turn out to be strangely prophetic: in Greek mythology, Chiron was considered to be the superlative centaur - intelligent, civilized, and kind.

    Originally Posted by MyImmortal
    For those interested in sacred geometry, perhaps watch BBC's "The Code".
    This is a link to chapter two of the series which deals with shapes. Hexagons and bees galore.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...e_Code_Shapes/

    Also some fantastic demonstrations using bubbles and the architecture of Frei Otto.




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    Here is a list of the references to bulls and bees in game, so far known. I will update it with anything else that has been missed, or comes to light. Obviously, these references could mean nothing, or be completely coincidental, but perhaps they mean a great deal. You decide.


    BEES/HONEY
    Hexagons appear everywhere: on Adam's forehead, in architecture, design and fashion
    One of the main points of focus in the game is a visit to "THE HIVE" nightclub
    Faridah Malik pilots a VTOL aircraft named the "B-EE"
    The game's palette is essentially gold and black; the colour of bees.

    BULLS/HORNS
    Barrett and Fedorova (and most likely others in their group) sport a nose-ring in their nostrils.
    Barrett is wearing a buckle on his belt that shows the head of a Bull.
    At the underground terminal, a wall poster of a bull can be seen. Could it represent Herman The Bull?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_the_Bull

    Other connections?
    Will DX:HR tell us more about the origins of the Omar? Perhaps because:
    VERSALIFE is back! The Omar were a Russian Versalife experiment.
    The Beehive is said to represent the "collective" wisdom of mankind.


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    BULLS & BEES - Mythological Trivia
    Mycenae featured a Beehive shaped tomb style called thalamus. The choice of the Bee’s hive as the model for their most important tombs reinforces the significance that Mycenaean culture placed on the Bee in the afterlife, and suggests that its reputation as a symbol of resurrection may have been inherited from the Egyptians and Sumerians before them.

    At Delphi, site of the most important oracle in the ancient world, legend asserts that the second temple was constructed entirely by Bees. In fact, the Oracle itself – the Omphalos Stone, resembles a Beehive and is designed with crisscrossing rows of Bee-like symbols, reminiscent of the ‘Net dress’ worn by Nut, the Egyptian goddess of the sky and keeper of the title "She Who Holds a Thousand Souls".

    Not only did the Greeks believe that honey was ‘the food of the gods’ and that Bees were born of bulls, they believed that Bees were intricately entwined in the everyday lives of their gods. Take for example Zeus, the Greek ‘King of the Gods’ who was born in a cave and raised by Bees, earning him the title Melissaios, or Bee-man. Similarly Dionysus, the Greek god of ritual madness, ecstasy, and wine was called the Bull God and was fed honey as a baby by the nymph Makris, daughter of Aristaeus, the protector of flocks - and Bees.

    Additionally, Dionysus was said to have assumed the form of a bull before being torn to pieces and reborn as a Bee. Intriguingly, the cult of Dionysus consisted of a group of frenzied female worshippers called Maenads’s (Greek) or Bacchante’s (Roman), who were renowned for their dancing and who were believed to have had wings. Might these bull worshiping maidens have been Bee priestesses?

    Drawing upon the Daedalus/Icarus myth, descriptions of the labyrinth recall an image of a Beehive with winding passages.

    In Knossos, jars called pithoi were used to store honey in preparation for the mid summer New Years celebration.

    The Greek sea god Glaucus, the son of Minos and Pasiphae, was restored to life when buried in a jar of honey.

    Honey was also a symbol of death and was frequently used as an offering to the gods. The dualistic quality of honey is no coincidence, as the nectar and its maker – the Bee, appear to represent the very cycle of existence. One could say that as the Bee returns to its hive, so the Melissa returns to its god in the afterlife; the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning.

    Many gold rings of Minoan workmanship from Crete and Greece portray the bee-headed goddess or the same goddess holding bull’s horns above her head. An onyx gem from Knossos dating to approximately 1500 BC illustrates a Bee goddess with bull horns above her head.

    In the story of Aristaeus', his bees sickened and began to die, so he went to the fountain Arethusa and was advised to establish altars, sacrifice cattle and leave their carcasses. From the carcasses, new swarms of bees rose.

    The symbolic adoration of the Bee in Spain and other Latin America countries. Here, Bee veneration is perhaps unconsciously preserved in the popular, albeit controversial sport of Bullfighting; a spectacle that recalls the ancient mystery school of Mithraism and the ancient practice of ritualistically slaughtering bulls in order to regenerate souls in the form of Bees. In fact, many of Spain’s oldest bullrings are built on or near Mithras temples, confirming the association.

    The Roman Bee goddess was named Mellonia and Marcus Aurelius, the Roman emperor, philosopher and some would argue the world's first Socialist, coined the phrase; "What is not good for the swarm is not good for the bee."

    Lycurgus, founder of Sparta, built his model for the perfect Spartan government on the social strata observed in the Beehive.

    Bees were depicted on coins throughout the ancient world, such as Sicily, where a Bee is featured on a 7th century BC coin. And in Rhodes – the ancient home of Poseidon, an 8th century gold plague depicts a decidedly Egyptian looking sphinx with a Bee headdress and sternum.

    “The bee is more honored than other animals, not because she labors, but because she labors for others”
    "Every saint has a bee in his halo"

    A community of honey bees has often been employed by political theorists as a model of human society. This metaphor occurs early in Aristotle and Plato; and Tolstoy also compares human society to a community of bees in War and Peace.

    Honey bees, signifying immortality and resurrection, were royal emblems of the Merovingians, revived by Napoleon. The bee is also the heraldic emblem of the Barberini.

    In ancient Egypt, the bee was an insignia of kingship associated particularly with Lower Egypt, where there may even have been a Bee King in pre-dynastic times. After the unification of Upper and Lower Egypt, this symbol was incorporated in the title usually preceding the throne name of pharaoh and expressing the unity of the two realms, He of the Sedge and of the Bee.

    Bees are a blessing from nature as they provide nutrition, medicine, wax (light), natural preservatives, cosmetics and pollination of fruit trees and other food crops.

    The bees’ industrious organized behaviour has been a symbol of perseverance, unity and teamwork. The bee is also an ancient symbol of sacredness, associated with the Mother Goddess or Divine Feminine because bees are ruled by queens and the hive was likened to the womb of the Great Mother. In ancient cultures, Goddesses associated with nature and fertility are often symbolized with the honey bee. Some of these include: Artemis/Diana, Demeter, Persephone, Ma, Rhea, Ceres, Cybele and Aphrodite. Aphrodite, revered as the queen bee by her priestesses, was worshipped at a honey-comb shaped shrine at Mt Eryx. The hexagonal shape of the honeycomb was the holy geometric shape of cosmic harmony. The honeycomb represented the perfect union of the macrocosm with the microcosm.

    In many ancient Egyptian, Indian and Greek cultures, bees represented the divine spirit or soul.
    The bee was the symbol of the Goddess of Regeneration found in neolithic pottery.
    In the ancient Minoan culture they were a symbol of immortality and rebirth. In Celtic myth, bees were regarded as beings of great wisdom and spirit messengers between worlds. Honey was treated as a magical substance and used in many ancient magical rituals. Honey made into mead was endowed with prophetic powers. Honey was called nectar of the gods. The term ‘blessed be’ can also be written as ‘blessed bee’; having strong connections to the ancient craft of the wise and the divine blessing of love, protection, & abundance.

    The use of honey, royal jelly, bee pollen and beeswax is a truly ancient, sacred and magical act symbolically connected to the love, nurturance and divine blessing of our Goddess.

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    Interesting, thanks.

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    In ancient Greece, the bull was the symbol of the Gods. The fathers of the Gods had the form of bulls. Bulls were the Gods of atmosphere, thunder, rain etc but then they lost their autonomy.

    Bulls symbolized stamina, strength, independence and fertility. Especially the first two are characteristics of Barrett and Fedorova.

    Source

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    And of course we have the minotaur, the man-bull hybrid, who Theseus fought to stop the sacrifices, and to free the captured Athenians.
    "Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else." G'Kar, Babylon 5.

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    Very well found, explored and researched! I think you've tracked Eidos' footsprints pretty well. However, I'm not a big fan of literary nor anthropoligical explanations of myth and symbolism. I feel they're often superficial and underestimate the sophistication of ancient cultures. To me it's just as unlikely for a modern scientist as it is for a ancient philosopher to use fairytales to fill up the gaps in his knowledge - unless of course, they were highly sophisticated fairy tales! Therefore I always assume these modern renditions of ancient mythology, cosmogeny etc are the exoteric version.

    So here's what I would add.

    Bees are sensitive to their electromagnetism. There is one other creature that enjoys widespread symbolic use to this very day because of this, who appears to share a very similar role. MyImmortal came very close to that creature (6 degrees and all that). I will let you discover for yourselves which creature I'm talking about!

    Also, it's interesting how bulls at times are caught within labyrinths, and at the same time they have labyrinths in their eyes. Sometimes they are gold, and at other times they have a golden (actually it's orange/red) sun between its horns. Did you know that cattle have earth's magnetic field on their mind while doing their grazing?

    What am I getting at? Nothing Just painting a bullseye on my chest. Or on my muleta.

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    Might the Bees thing refer to Heng Sha, the densely populated island that is featured in the Human Revolution demos so far? Since its built in two levels, making the beehive analogy handy...
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    Ok, so mine's here, a slightly post-Greek one. I think that Adam's blades is a Freudian phallic concept, a representation of sexual experimentation. So in the game Adam's so depressed after his girlfriend's death that he loses his mind and decides to set off for a blade thrusting spree. Way to go Adam! And shame on you, EM!
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    The expression "I'm feeling horny" comes from bull-worship as a symbol of fertility. From what people and which beliefs I don't know off-hand. I'm sure Barret and Fedorova are not associated with a fertility cult.

    Woah!!! Wait - I'm just reading through that mythological jargon stuff you've posted - where are you getting this information? Mycenaean tombs are not hexagonal, not the tumulus that you mention - they are circular and vaulted, and earlier incarnations of graves for warriors or local chiefs at the grave-circle B at Mycenae are shaft tombs.

    I find myself throwing up objections to many of the "facts" that you've listed under trivia from the ancient world. I don't see the significance in listing that Minoan elite imported pithoi - which is just a vessel type - into Knossos to use for honey. They also exported fragrant oils to the rest of the Aegean and the Near East and this is certainly more significant archaeologically than their use of honey.

    Furthermore, there is absolutely no way you could confidently "link" any of these ancient civilizations with regards to how each of them revered their gods and synthesized Bees and Bulls into their respective mythologies. I want some qualification.
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    Originally Posted by H.D.Case
    Ok, so mine's here, a slightly post-Greek one. I think that Adam's blades is a Freudian phallic concept, a representation of sexual experimentation. So in the game Adam's so depressed after his girlfriend's death that he loses his mind and decides to set off for a blade thrusting spree. Way to go Adam! And shame on you, EM!
    You have a twisted mind, sir... :P
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    Originally Posted by TheMorten
    You have a twisted mind, sir... :P
    Aye...I mean, Nay!! The truth is that I wanted to make this thread sound less serious And as I had to read Freud recently, it was pretty easy. Like, if we want to refer to the Minotaur myth, you know what the guy said the myth about the monster and labyrinth was all about? It was about a post-anal birth (some strange birth-giving complication, or sth). So calling ME crazy now?
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    Originally Posted by H.D.Case
    Aye...I mean, Nay!! The truth is that I wanted to make this thread sound less serious And as I had to read Freud recently, it was pretty easy. Like, if we want to refer to the Minotaur myth, you know what the guy said the myth about the monster and labyrinth was all about? It was about a post-anal birth (some strange birth-giving complication, or sth). So calling ME crazy now?
    I concur.

    Back on subject.

    I think, in Neuromancer, William Gibson refers to Molly's eyes as reminding him of a bee or other type of insect. Molly's eyes, as described in the book, remind me a lot of Jensen's "my vision is augmented" glasses. :P

    Refer to the picture below...

    If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?

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    I thought they were larger? Or at least it was the way I imagined those glasses.
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    Me too, but a quick search on Google for "neuromancer molly" provides pictures of her with these eyes or smaller.
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