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Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days Trivia and Tidbits Thread

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    Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days Trivia and Tidbits Thread

    With all the video trailers, demos and JustinTV playthroughs I noticed a few interesting things about Dog Days that I want to share.

    Obvious:
    -IO game covers in the video store

    Regarding the torture scene (Spoiler beware)
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    Feel free to add some more
    "That cat? Man, nobody talks about him. 'Cause it's like talkin' 'bout the black death" --Miami Vice

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    Cool

    RESURECTION !!! ...
    By god , there's actually a ton of interesting threads in pages two three and four of this forum , page one is just lame in comparison ...
    Hey that was a nice metaphor , since the Kane & Lynch franchise is also lame on the outside , but just marvelous when you dive in it ...

    Anywya , following the brilliant success of my Dead Men Trivias ... here comes Dog Days' ...

    Oh and yes , Spoilers detected ...



    In General
    - The game was first revealed to be in development back in early 2007, months before Dead Men came out, nothing was heard until mid July 2009 when the trademark "Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days" was found. However, the existance of this game remained 'unconfirmed' until it was 'Officially Announced' in mid November 2009, four months after fans have already had their sufficient confirmation of the game's existance.
    - The game's subtitle, Dog Days, starts with the letter D and it is a seven letter title, just like Dead Men.
    - While Jens Peter Kurup, Dead Men's lead director, isn't at the helm of Dog Days' production, he holds the leading position of the game's Creative Services, thus responsible for the game's (well received) trailers.
    - On Saint Patrick's day, IO sent this picture to several game websites.
    - Several game journalists has received a 'phone call' from Lynch, addressing to Kane, asking him to come to Shanghai and mention that he has a girlfriend, trying to prove that he is 'ok' to work with now.
    - First game from IO Interactive to not have a 'standard' original score, as the game's soundtrack is mostly made faint ambient sounds.
    - First game from IO Interactive to include Online Co-op.
    - If the main menu is left idle, the CG trailer will play. Note that this version of the trailer has been optimised with a 5.1 surround sound.
    - Interesting to note that despite being near-universally criticized for its short single player, weak story, control issues and a visual style that doesn't appeal to everyone, Dog Days has got the same metacritic score as Dead Men, an average score of Sixty Five.
    - It is surprising to see some reviewers criticizing at the fact that enemies can "suck up more bullets than Lynch and Kane", it is surprising to see this because in this game the enemies simply just have the perfect reason for taking so many shots to die (unlike most other games): They Wear Body Armors, of which Lynch and Kane don't have access to.
    - Franchise Trademark: Just like in Dead Men, in every chapter there is at least one thing that doesn't go according to plan.
    - Franchise Trademark: the amount of levels relating to the plot. Dead Men had Sixteen chapters, one plus six equals seven, The7 was the main antagonist in Dead Men. Dog Days has eleven chapters, one plus one equals two, the story takes place during Two days and night in Shanghai.
    - Franchise Trademark: boxart contains stuff-not-in-game. Similar to how Dead Men's box art shows a handgun not in the game, Kane looking older and Lynch having more hair than he does, Dog Days shows Kane wielding his signature rifle, the SIG, and Kane himself wears a black suit with a white open shirt. Kane never wears this outfit in the game, and the SIG doesn't make an appearance either. Note however that Kane was seen using the SIG in the CG trailer, he drops it when it ran out of ammo, possibly explaining why he didn't had time to 'buy' a new one, or even bring one with him to Shanghai.
    - Franchise Trademark: we only seperate twice. Lynch and Kane only goes into seperate ways in two occasions, just like in the first game.
    - Franchise Trademark: spoken lines equal titles. Dead Men's checkpoints used lines of dialogue spoken by characters in the game, while Dog Days doesn't use titles for its checkpoints, the name of Most chapter comes from what Lynch says in the chapter itself.
    - Franchise Trademark: referencing Michael Mann's Heat. The game ends at a airport runaway, and there's a reference to the 'handshake' in the game. Also same as in Dead Men, in the french voice dub, Lynch is voiced by the same man who is the official dubber of Al Pacino.
    - Unlike the first game there aren't many references to the number '47'.
    - Unlike the first game where the text briefing would change once players complete the chapter, text briefings in Dog Days stays the same.
    - Unlike the first game where its subtitle was pronounced at least once by a character, the term 'Dog Days' was never mentionned in this game, in fact, despite dealing with dogs in more than a handful of occasions, the only time the word 'dog' is ever spoken is one of, if not The game's last line: "*** Dogs!" ~Kane.
    - While it's true that some sections in the game can be completed in a 'stealth' manner, players often find themself just shooting their way out as being more entertaining.
    - All new characters dies.
    - It is somewhat frightening to know that all the antagonists, Bradly, Hsing, Glazer and Shanghsi are bald or near-bald men. Considering how this is mainly 'Lynch's story', it is too great a detail to be left over, as these antagonists could each be interprated as 'representing' a facet of Lynch's weakness, and perhaps ultimately, his hatred towards himself.
    - On the matter of antagonists, unlike in Dead Men where the player controls Kane in 'killing' his targets, in Dog Days the antagonists' death all occurs in cutscenes, without the player's 'proper' enteraction in killing them so to speak.
    - Neither endings of Dead Men was proven to be the 'official canon' one, it is up to the fans to debate as both "Damned if you do" and "Damned if you don't" endings could fit in to Dog Days. It is noteworthy however that Jenny survived the events of Dead Men, as she was thought to have been killed in one of the endings.
    - Franchise Trademark: too many similar themes and situations. Having similar storyline themes is one thing, but having several near identical plotline situation is another, these similar situations will be detailed in their own specific campaign chapters.
    - Franchise Trademark: fighting evil for selfish reasons. Just like in Dead Men where Kane's revenge quest lead to him to eliminate a very powerful Japanase crime figure, overthrow a dictator, and putting an end to a mercenary organisation opperating at worldwide scale, Dog Days has Lynch killing the leader of one of Shanghai's triad, responsible for the extermination of a band of foreign robbers and gun smugglers, and removing a highly powerful corrupt goverment official from the face of the earth. While these facts in no way makes Lynch and Kane 'saints', the fact remains that in their rampage for personnal reasons, they cause death as much to innocent civilans and law enforcement to 'cleaning' the world from men of 'evil' trades. This can be seen as 'balancing' out from the killings of good and bad people. It also leads to the following trademark:
    - Franchise Trademark: being more efficient than The Law. It is also a theme in the Hitman franchise, where one clone is able to eliminate more threats to society than the 'real' law enforcement can ever manage to accomplish. Therefor in some ways, Lynch and Kane are also more efficient than any 'legal agents' could ever be, as what they did in Dead Men and in Shanghai in just Two Days (or specifically, bringing down Hsing's gang, exterminating the Expats and most Importantly, crumbling and killing Shanghsi, the most powerful corrupt man in Shanghai in One Night) is more than what any official goverment agent could do in years. And that is IF the Law could even take actions in taking down the same criminals Lynch and Kane dealt with.

    Campaign
    - The very first thing we see in this story, is a camera, a cheap handheld camera, something used mostly by tourists or people making short home videos, thereby setting the tone of the story: it is something personnal. It is not a grand human drama as opened with Kane's letter to his daughter in Dead Men, it is not a story that goes around the world in a epic fashion, it is a story set in a narrow size, it is cold, ugly, and most certainly unsatisfying 'to us viewers', because it is personnal, and usually, what is 'personnal' is not made for the grand entertainment of the large audience. Thus, perhaps, explaining why quite a number of gamers, reviewers, and even Kane & Lynch fans were 'disappointed' in Dog Days' story.

    Chapter I: Welcome to Shanghai
    - Franchise Trademark: dead men makes no handshake. Kane still refuses to shake Lynch's hand. Note however that eventually, something 'happens' in near the end, as described in chapter X's section.
    - The moment Lynch greets Kane, you could see for a few seconds on the wall to the left a small ad of a red haired woman wearing a red cowboy hat, the woman is Connie and she is a show performer. Ads for her show was first seen in Hitman Blood Money in the level "A house of cards", in the main lobby of the hotel casino in Las Vegas.
    - The second viral ad of Dog Days showed Lynch using a bowling ball to 'open' a door, the bowling ball is actually in game and while the game offers no instruction that you can use it, players can pick it up and use it the same way they pick up and throw fire extinguishers. It is found early on behind a couch.
    - Throughout this chapter you'll come across a couple of TV showing official screenshots of The Mizuki chapter from Dead Men.
    - Similar plotline situations: death of the daughter of a very powerful crime figure who owns a tall office building skyscraper. The difference being that Kane killed this girl, whereas Lynch killed Yoko.
    - The content of Kane's yellow luggage, was never revealed. It is up to fans to guess its content.

    Chapter II: The Details
    - Glazer's 'limo' bears a strong resemblence to the Hunter 'Dream Machine' car advertised and shown many times in Dead Men, the same that Jenny used to escape in the Reunion chapter.
    - When exiting the highway the triad will send foward two bikers, these two motorbikes are the only ones ever seen in the entire Kane & Lynch franchise.
    - When first shown in the trailers, the truck raming over what is revealed to be Glazer's limo, was believed by some fans to be another truck 'boss fight' similar to the Behemoth, but this time chasing the players in the streets.
    - Similar plotline situations: the life of a NPC in danger due to the presence of a truck, that came out of nowhere.

    Chapter III: Blood, Sweat and Tears
    - Your 'allies' are all members of the Expat, the characters you play as in Arcade and Online modes (minus Two of the eight members). Seeing as how they all die in this chapter, and how they all work for Glazer, it's safe to say that the events of Arcade and Online mode maps are not only canon to the franchise, but they even took place before Dog Days.
    - Near Hsing's office you can see on the wall a framed poster of "The Cleaners, Director's Cut". Whether this refers to Hitman (being a 'cleaner') or the fan-demanding release of a Dead Men's director's cut, or anything at all, is unknown.
    - Similar plotline situations: helping hands for only a while. Lynch's backup, the Expats, becoming your opponements mimicks Ryu and Shinja, Kane's backup during The Exchange, that eventually gets killed (presummably) when the duo fights against The7.

    Chapter IV: Laying Low
    - The only time in the game you see Kane smoke. He smokes twice, seen in the intro cutscene, and just before leaving the restaurant.
    - Used partially as the demo level.
    - Some of the civilians will look 'unimpressed' when Lynch and Kane pass over them with their rifles in their hands, some players will consider it a proof of 'poor programming', others will find it to perfectly fit in to the storyline, since Shanghai is the quintessential Center of the Underworld, why would everyone be really frightenned at seeing men carrying guns?
    - There is a DVD store in the chapter containing boxarts of past Hitman games and Mini Ninjas, all made by IO Interactive. This is also known to be the first 'easter egg' just about every Kane & Lynch fans has noticed when screenshots of the DVD shop was shown back in January 2010.
    - Snipers made their entrance in this chapter, the chapter being titled "Laying Low".

    Chapter V: Coming Home
    - Lynch's first name is James, and he's coming Home.
    - Of course it was never explained just how did Xiu found herself to be on the opposite appartement complex, that or Lynch went into the wrong building himself.

    Chapter VI: A Thousand Cuts
    - Franchise Trademark: raining bleak pink. When Kane looses his loved one in Dead Men there was a taint of pink in the skyline and it was raining, when you reach the bus stop you'll see that along the rain, there's a taint of pink in the sky, behind the grey fog.
    - Xiu's entire body is blured out, her face however, is not.
    - Of course nobody wants to know how did Lynch and Kane managed to carry two guns without having any pockets to store the second weapon.
    - Another bowling ball can be found in this chapter.
    - Lynch can somehow 'see' things clearly despite not having his glasses.

    Chapter VII: The Deal
    - The trophy/achievement for completing this chapter is called "Double Cross", and the image that goes with it is, quite litterally, a 'double cross'.
    - Franchise Trademark: a double crossing occurs in the seventh chapter.
    - The back of Lynch's sweater shows the continent of Australia, for unknown reasons, if there is any.

    Chapter VIII: Out of Shanghai
    - Despite carrying heavy machine guns and already bust their way into the train yard killing hundreds of soldiers in the process, both Lynch and Kane knows to 'give up' when being finally surrounded and being surveid by a chopper, this situation could almost appear as a 'backlash' to most conventional Hollywood action ideas that the heroes will end up shooting at everything that follows them as the train moves on, and perhaps specifically at PS3 exclusive title Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, where the protagonnist does not know When to stop, and ends up boarding a train of doom fighting against the odds with a chopper blowing up wagons by wagons of the train.
    - After being surrounded, a officer then approaches the camera, and puts his hand 'on it', somewhat suggesting indeed that 'someone' is following Lynch and Kane throughout the events of Dog Days. That or it was a reference to Monty Pythons and the Holy Grail.

    Chapter IX: Air Strike
    - Shortest chapter of the entire Kane & Lynch franchise.
    - It is also the only chapter of the franchise to be a on-rail shooting sequence from beginning to end.
    - Naturally, it is not known just what was Shanghsi thinking in ordering his men to carry Lynch and Kane back to his tower.
    - Shanghsi's security forces are Very well prepared, as they have heavy machine guns and RPGs at the ready for taking down chopper riding intruders.
    - Also the only time RPGs makes an appearance in Dog Days, and only in the hands of NPCs.

    Chapter X: Resurrection
    - The entire plot premise of this and the previous chapter shares too many similarities with Grand Theft Auto Vice City Stories' last mission. By the end of Vice City Stories the protagonist uses a military helicopter to assault the antagonist's headquarters, a impenetrable skyscraper, to avenge the recent death of his loved one. After clearing up the two top floors from goons firing machine guns and RPGs the helicopter gets shot down, the protagonist then made a quick landing on the roof and proceeded to clean up the remaining guards in the skyscraper on foot, there was even a enemy helicopter that shows up and the protagonist had to destroy it while still killing goons in the building. Finally the protagonist confronts and kills his nemesis with a handgun. The only difference between Vice City Stories' last mission and these two chapters from Dog Days is that whereas it was the protagonist's goal to eliminate his nemesis, Lynch and Kane only find themself assaulting Shanghsi's fortress by 'accident'. Nevertheless, the similarity between these two situations is too great to be passed on as a mere coincidence. It should be regarded as an Hommage from Io Interactive to Rockstar Games.

    - The intro cutscene shows Kane 'lending a hand' to Lynch. While this still isn't a proper 'handshake' (of which Lynch has tried to make with Kane without success, twice), this is the first time in the franchise that Kane lends his hand to assist Lynch, showing that their awkward 'friendship' does strenghens up in the end.
    - Similar plotline situations: Lynch refuses to make compromises. Similar to how Lynch kills Yoko to avoid Kane making a deal with Retomoto, Lynch kills Shangsi himself without even wanting to hear his proposal.

    Chapter XI: One Way Ticket
    - Yes, you play as Kane in the Solo campaign, for no reason whatsoever.
    - When charging for the commercial airplane, listen to the annoucement, it states that the plane is heading towards Equador.
    - The situation at hand at the end of the story is quite humorous if one thinks about it. It was shown in Dead Men that Lynch 'hates' flying, to the point of needing to take pills to calm himself down. It is also a known fact that Lynch has a horrible history of keeping hostages in line, or more specifically, 'alive'. Wherever it is the plane will land, it's a known fact that the trip is not going to be a 'cool' one for Lynch. And Kane for that matter as well.

    Right , i'm too tired right now to do the Trophy/Achievement and Online trivias ...

    But then kind of think of it , got nothing to say ! woot woot ! ...

    Anywya i'm done ! dead ! too much for today ...
    Kind of think of it , did Lynch and Kane had Any Sleep during the events of Dog Days ? ... in the second half i mean ... well who cares , i'll sleep for them both ! ...
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    You play as Kane not "whatever reason" but because it's Kane's idea to steal the plane. That's the moment in game where Kane takes matter in his own hands. That's why.

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    Lightbulb

    Originally Posted by ohitspatty
    You play as Kane not "whatever reason" but because it's Kane's idea to steal the plane. That's the moment in game where Kane takes matter in his own hands. That's why.
    Oh yeah ? well it *** the ruined the game , you know why people scream that Dog Days is such a bad game ? for the same reason they screamed at Dead Men , it's because of KANE ! ...
    I mean look at this , you get to play as Kane in both games , and both games gets the same metacritic score , Coincidence ??!!! Me thinks Not ! ...

    Besides , i know why they had to make us play as Kane , yeah Vulture i'm looking straight at you , you're the one who just Had to make such a big thread back in November begging at IO so that you can play as Kane in single player , well there you have it , you ruined the franchise ! ...

    This ought to teach IO a very valuable lesson , never listen to their crazy fanboys , except the Unhinged Fan , he's alright ...


    Originally Posted by joe the janitor
    gnrGrievous....
    No i'm not gay , stop looking at me like that ...

    And what the , is that it ? no one has got any trivias to add ? ...

    ...
    ...
    Don't tell me you're all waiting on that woman to make the first move ...
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    Note that in the final chapter, Kane and Lynch take out the rest of Glazer's gang at his dismantled plane. On the plane's dismounted wing, apart from a large assortment of weapons, there is a huge amount of money and a sports bag. That would most probably be the money Kane is after, and at any rate, it would be a chance for him to "not leave empty handed", as he planned. However, he doesn't even seem to care anymore, having only an escape plane in mind.
    D/\\/NTLESS /\ND TR\/E

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    Red Face (Embarrassed)

    The money were probably Yen currencies so Kane realized it just wasn't worth it ...
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    The Yen is a Japanese currency. In China it's the RMB. In any case, it would have been enough money to live on for a while. Better that than empty handed.
    D/\\/NTLESS /\ND TR\/E

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    Cool

    I'm pretty sure in that commercial airplane there is the Two last Expats that wasn't killed off in Dog Days , and they're probably carrying them sweet duffel bags ...

    That and the tourists in the plane must have Teddy Bears , they're worth gold ! ...
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    After finding the crashed helicopter full of soldiers in Resurrection, Lynch yells out "Get to the chopper!".

    The voices in multiplayer are different to the ones the expats use in campaign. Tommy is Irish in multiplayer but English in the campagin. J.C. is English in the multiplayer and switches between an Irish and English accent in the campaign.

    The throwing of propane tanks to cause explosions is likely a reference to the film Breaking News.

    Also, just a question on something I wasn't sure about, but are Liam and Bud in the singleplayer at all? I never saw them, just some other guys running around in similar clothing.
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    Big Grin

    Nope , they weren't in the campaign , them two Expats are still alive out there , somewhere ...

    Perhaps in that same commercial airplane Lynch and Kane went into in the end ? ...
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    ...uh you need your medication, sir.

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    Originally Posted by gnrGrievous
    No i'm not gay , stop looking at me like that ...

    And what the , is that it ? no one has got any trivias to add ? ...

    ...
    ...
    Don't tell me you're all waiting on that woman to make the first move ...
    Umm, I called you gay? Anyway...
    You kinda added all the trivia plus more that I would have ever though up.

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    Cool

    Originally Posted by ohitspatty
    ...uh you need your medication, sir.
    Lynch took none in Dog Days , Grievous was very impressed with this , and decided to follow the example ...

    Originally Posted by joe the janitor
    Umm, I called you gay? Anyway...
    Your post is my username followed by four dots ...

    By the sound of it , it's like when one of the female objects in movies do when preparing to turn the lights out when going in bed with the lead actor , they say his name , and that's it ...

    So yeah , i got scared ...



    Originally Posted by joe the janitor
    You kinda added all the trivia plus more that I would have ever though up.
    In that case i demand a thunderous appalause from just about everybody in the Internet , or at least from this forum ...

    Also , i demand some more 'non-male' users in this forum , it'll surely bring a bit more life to this sleeping manor ...
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    Damn it. I'd say it's time to upgrade my Anti-Grievous Ramblings 2000 XXL to the newer version.
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    Cool

    You do know that if you do that , the world will cease to live , don't you ...
    Hi, i'm the one who makes Wall of Text Armadas in a unhinged regular fashion.
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    How is that a bad thing?
    "You see it too? For me, it's always like this..."
    (Angela Orosco - Silent Hill 2)

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    Lightbulb

    Well ... as bleak as i am , i belive ... in Hope ! ...

    Hey , that's it ! that's going to be the end of the Kane & Lynch franchise ! ...

    Hope for Mankind ! totally original in video games , never seen violent men capable of creating such goodness , not even a fallen god of olympus ...
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    Originally Posted by gnrGrievous
    Well ... as bleak as i am , i belive ... in Hope ! ...
    Funneh guy, éh? That Grievous.
    "You see it too? For me, it's always like this..."
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    -The internet 'word' 1337 appears on graffitti on the walls everywhere
    -Kane's shirt changes from white to blue in a few advertisements,
    -Another weapon to not appear in-game despite being seen in posters is a sawn-off Remington 870
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    Lightbulb

    - Unlike the first game, Players actually Do get to keep their weapons into the next chapter, minus a couple of chapters that has you striped of your arsenal.
    - The PS3 version has a exclusive trophy not available on other platforms, titled "Love for the Game", it's rewarded for obtaining all the multiplayer trophies.
    - Whenever the player grabs a hostage he'll pull out a handgun, regardeless of whether the player carries one on him or not, so in a way, players do carry up to Three weapons.
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    Shanghai is in China, China is in Asia. Bet no-one knew that.

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    Weapon Trivia
    -The shotgun revolver you get at Rank 1, the Taurus Judge, is the first time said revolver has appeared in a video game
    -Only two of the weapons from Dead Men return in Dog Days. These are the Spas 12 Shotgun (Gras 12), and the AK-74 ( I dunno the name).
    -The Desert Eagle skin is re-used from Hitman: Blood Money, it only lacks the text on the barrel saying it's a Desert Eagle
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    Ok i got a serious one.

    After Lynch killed Hsing and rescued Kane, they had the chance to get their clothes back and possibly bandage their wounds as no-one was in the apartment. Instead, they ran out into the cold and losing what's left of their dignity.

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    - The 'Lynch Vignette' teaser states Lynch's full name as "James Seth Lynch", same as stated in Dead Men's manual. In the early production of the franchise Lynch was originally named "Mister Little", and was a completely bald man with no glasses, and "slightly fat".
    - IO has stated in interviews that the Scenarios of (some of) the maps of Arcade and Online modes were based off of Real-Life robberies.
    - Franchise Trademark: segregation is still at large. There is still no 'Black' character in the franchise, the closest we came to see black men was from the LAPD officers in Dead Men, but never a Named black 'character'.
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