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    about books

    I love that there are so many books in the concept art for this game. no not because i'm some Luddite jank burger who thinks you haven't read something until you have smelt it. i imagine most reading, even today is done on screens.

    I like the books because I imagine a future where the only place you can keep a secret is on paper. i also like books because even today printing a book is so cheap, you can even print on demand. i can just imagine how easy it will be to get books made in the future, perhaps desk top printers will be fully operational binding machines.

    But they are probably there because the art director was like, "make this room cluttered" and some dude drew a bunch of books so it would be cluttered.

    why do you think these mech aug people would read bound books?

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    Originally Posted by super...

    why do you think these mech aug people would read bound books?
    They weren't born augmented, and as far as I can glean from what's been released about the story, Adam has only recently been converted.

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    Really this tells nothing, but the art director did say Adam was designed to be the kind of guy "who can kick your ass but then go home and read a good book". So who knows
    "Jensen if you even think of using that CASIE aug on me I will hit you." -Malik

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    Originally Posted by pringlepower
    Really this tells nothing, but the art director did say Adam was designed to be the kind of guy "who can kick your ass but then go home and read a good book". So who knows
    well yeah this is just baseless speculation, i think it's just neat to see so much of an outmoded tech like the codex hanging around people's rooms, would be nice to hear how print made a comeback in their fiction.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by jjc
    They weren't born augmented, and as far as I can glean from what's been released about the story, Adam has only recently been converted.
    I think he starts the game without mech augs,

    my point is books a going out of fashion QUICKLY in our own time period, so why would people like Adam have so many books, when he could likely find all that information on his sunglasses.

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    Originally Posted by super...
    I think he starts the game without mech augs,

    my point is books a going out of fashion QUICKLY in our own time period, so why would people like Adam have so many books, when he could likely find all that information on his sunglasses.
    He gets his arms cut off and mech augs installed in a plot event early in the game.

    Well, other than the game having a nouveau-renaissance art style? Maybe in a time of great and controversial change people are turning back to antiquated themes like books, soft chairs, and a nice game of chess for comfort. Like how in a time of great and controversial video game change people turn to really old games and * about third-person cover.

    Just kidding.
    "Jensen if you even think of using that CASIE aug on me I will hit you." -Malik

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    Originally Posted by super...

    my point is books a going out of fashion QUICKLY in our own time period,
    Don't particularly see the reality of this. I believe print news and magazines are suffering. And perhaps less people are reading nowadays, but every bookstore I frequent is often crowded and bestsellers are still moving a lot of units.

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    Well I don't know about anybody else, but I'm hoping for readable books like the first game.
    Speed up the accelerating returns, 'cause carbon doesn’t work, I want to evolve and operate at terahertz.

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    oh it would be such a tease is you could not read those books,

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    Originally Posted by super...
    oh it would be such a tease is you could not read those books,
    to be especially cruel the books would be readable, but would all have the same text:

    Got You!
    By Jean-Francois Dugas

    "No book for you!"
    "Jensen if you even think of using that CASIE aug on me I will hit you." -Malik

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    I don't think it would be too difficult to have every book in the game contain some content; text takes up very little space...

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    Originally Posted by super...
    my point is books a going out of fashion QUICKLY in our own time period
    I'm so unfashionable then...

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    Originally Posted by Kodaemon
    I'm so unfashionable then...
    You and me both... I barely have time to finish one book before I start reading the next one.

    But I guess it's true what Egon Spengler said: Print is dead.

    On topic: I think one of the cooler aspects of DX was that in the middle of this high-tech conspiracy game, you could take the time to read a passage from a book. Or follow the world's progress in a newspaper.

    If we can't read books in HR, I'll be very disappointed.
    "Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else." G'Kar, Babylon 5.

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    Originally Posted by super...
    my point is books are going out of fashion QUICKLY in our own time period,
    i knew some people would take issue and thats cool. but think hard about it, the books that sell well today are of a much narrower spectrum then decades past, i don't think my mom has bought a cook book in YEARS she gets recipes on line (she is NOT tech savvy), why would i need to buy a repair manual for my car when i can easily check forums and find people having the same trouble i am. same deal with game guides, they are more about artwork and fandom these days then actually helping you when you get stuck in a game. all of these books are still published today they are just less prominent then used to be. it's a trend i think will continue as devices get better and cheaper

    the last edge print had was it's crazy high resolution, things like the new iPhone display do much to bridge that gap.

    so i think the inclusion of books in the future is neat, i hope they are full of secrets.

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    Originally Posted by super...
    but think hard about it, the books that sell well today are of a much narrower spectrum then decades past, i don't think my mom has bought a cook book in YEARS she gets recipes on line (she is NOT tech savvy), why would i need to buy a repair manual for my car when i can easily check forums and find people having the same trouble i am.
    ... and you bring up two styles of books that have some of the most narrow spectrums of them all as evidence? Cook books and tech manuals?

    I think JK Rowling, Paulo Coelho and Dan Brown would take issue with bestsellers having a narrower spectrum today.
    "Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else." G'Kar, Babylon 5.

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    Originally Posted by super...
    i knew some people would take issue and thats cool. but think hard about it, the books that sell well today are of a much narrower spectrum then decades past, i don't think my mom has bought a cook book in YEARS she gets recipes on line (she is NOT tech savvy), why would i need to buy a repair manual for my car when i can easily check forums and find people having the same trouble i am. same deal with game guides, they are more about artwork and fandom these days then actually helping you when you get stuck in a game. all of these books are still published today they are just less prominent then used to be. it's a trend i think will continue as devices get better and cheaper

    the last edge print had was it's crazy high resolution, things like the new iPhone display do much to bridge that gap.

    so i think the inclusion of books in the future is neat, i hope they are full of secrets.
    Nothing like the cool and crispy feel of paper on your fingertips.

    Even if it does kill the trees.
    "Jensen if you even think of using that CASIE aug on me I will hit you." -Malik

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    Originally Posted by pringlepower
    Nothing like the cool and crispy feel of paper on your fingertips.

    Even if it does kill the trees.
    Agreed. No screen can replace that feeling. Actually turning a page, instead of pressing a "PgDn" key (or similar)... I'll choose turning a page any day.
    "Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else." G'Kar, Babylon 5.

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    Funny thing: one of the books in printed form I read this year was Douglas Rushkoff's Cyberia: Life in the Trenches of Cyberspace, available for free in electronic form straight from the author's website.

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    Originally Posted by Kodaemon
    Funny thing: one of the books in printed form I read this year was Douglas Rushkoff's Cyberia: Life in the Trenches of Cyberspace, available for free in electronic form straight from the author's website.
    If you go out and buy the new book (Mission of Honor) in David Weber's Honor Harrington series, it has a cd enclosed with all but a couple of the previous books in electronic form, as well as e-copies of other books he's written. I think it totals something like 15-20 books included on the cd.

    Also, if you'd like to try some other books/series from Baen Books (publishers of the Honorverse stuff), you can hit the Baen Free Libary and choose from quite a few.

    Eric Flint, who has his own books there, as well as being a co-author with Weber on several Honorverse books, has a nice writeup about why Baen started the Free Library, and why, in the long run, it actually doesn't hurt the author(s).

    http://www.baen.com/library/defaultTitles.htm

    The link goes to the list of available free ebooks. Click on "Home" if you want to read the Flint writeup.

    Many people at Baen's Bar (a message board for discussing Baen's authors books and other subjects) will purchase an e-copy of a book, and then, when the dead tree version comes out, purchase that as well. Myself, I'm a traditionalist and will always buy dead tree versions. On the other hand, I *do* have a couple titles in e-form, including The Man Who Was Thursday.

    TBH, I don't think dead tree printing will ever go out of style completely. Even Star Trek has print books (although many would be considered antiques even by our own 21st century standards), and I think, for the most part, people *want* to hold a physical book. There's nothing quite like the smell and feel of a fresh off the presses book, and even moreso the feel of a many-times-read book that has gotten a bit dog-eared after years of reading.

    So yeah, I really hope there are readable books in DX:HR, and maybe even something like The Man Who Was Thursday, where a public domain book has been put into the game and relates to what is going on in Adam's world.
    For when you're too lazy to repost your side of an argument/discussion: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=115406

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    Originally Posted by Fluffis
    ... and you bring up two styles of books that have some of the most narrow spectrums of them all as evidence? Cook books and tech manuals?

    I think JK Rowling, Paulo Coelho and Dan Brown would take issue with bestsellers having a narrower spectrum today.
    the successful books are in the narrower spectrum, ie books for entertainment.

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    Originally Posted by Fluffis
    But I guess it's true what Egon Spengler said: Print is dead.
    The fact that he said that 26 years ago should say something. :P

    Totally agree with those hoping that printed media never stops: I'm currently reading Atlas Shrugged, which is an absolutely massive book (564,946 words according to amazon.com) and I just could not imagine reading that much on a kindle or similar. I fully appreciate their convenience, and I can definitely see myself getting one somewhere down the line for reading shorter novels, but anything over 400 pages or so of normal sized font I'd have to go hard copy.

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    Originally Posted by super...
    the successful books are in the narrower spectrum, ie books for entertainment.
    Is "entertainment" narrower than "cooking" or "car manuals"...? Eh. Did you really think that through?
    "Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else." G'Kar, Babylon 5.

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    Tell me about it, Ash. I'm reading through House of Leaves, which is not only 600 something pages, but also, well, yeah. No way I would read something like that in electronic form.

    The only time I use electronic versions of books is when I can't find a physical copy, or when I want to find quotes quickly.

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    Maybe it's a local thing, but cook books in Quebec are more diverse and available than ever before. My brother's main client is the biggest library chain in the province, and their model is based on the biggest library chain in the country, both featuring nearly a quarter of an entire floor to cook books and about one eight of their giant floors to do it yourself manuals. Throw in another quarter of a floor for travel books, info which you can also find online anywhere. Those books are all extremely good sellers.

    Canadian Tire carries repair handbooks for pretty much any car model in circulation, and many of them are almost always out of print.

    The fact is that while most of the information is available online, when you need to cover one topic in depth, a book or two on the subject is more practical than scattered online sources. When you wish to explore or discover something new, or something broad and general, the net is superior nine times out of time, because the browsing is ever more effificent.

    Also consider that while I find authors through the net, I get their books in dead copies. I reckon most people do that.

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    Originally Posted by Ashpolt
    The fact that he said that 26 years ago should say something. :P
    Exactly.
    "Isn't the universe an amazing place? I wouldn't live anywhere else." G'Kar, Babylon 5.

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