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    The one thing that.....

    REALLY ruins a good series of games for me, (and I'm devastated at Tomb Raider Legend for doing this,) is................


    INCONSISTENCY!

    Considering so much detail has been given to previous games in creating and preserving the Lara Croft backstory, now it's been utterly discarded causing a huge problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomb raider 1 Manual
    Lara Croft, daughter of Lord Henshingly Croft,

    ...... at the age of 21...on the way back from a skiing trip...plane had crashed

    ......two weeks later.....village of Tokeriby, she
    There a huge differences from the story presented in Tomb Raider Legend that NOW suggest she arrived in Katmandu after 10 days. Her father was Richard Croft, Earl Of Abbingdon, who died when she was 18.

    Can Eidos actually explain these unnecessary innacuracies?

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    Why is this a problem... just realise that this is Lara Croft reinvented, and not a continuation.
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    Eidos have told us it is Lara Croft RETURNING, not Being RE-INVENTED.

    Quote Originally Posted by EidosInteractive.com
    Gaming’s most famous heroine makes her triumphant return in Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Legend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel_Requiem
    Eidos have told us it is Lara Croft RETURNING, not Being RE-INVENTED.
    oop! roundabout ahead.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel_Requiem
    Eidos have told us it is Lara Croft RETURNING, not Being RE-INVENTED.
    Well, you're right, but Eidos/CD have told us many things about Legend that have proven to be contradictory...just throw this one on the pile.

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    You can't be too fussy - I mean the primary role is a game/entertainment and the story being played then and there. So fine, there is a conflict with her previously written past, but Legend started with the intro to set the history used in the game.

    I mean you get heaps of inconsistencies in say The Simpsons as well but unless you're some obsessed geek like Comic Book Guy, you let it go and as said, throw it in the pile.
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    Ahem

    So many times now I have answered this question... oh well...here we go...

    This not an innaccuracy. Legend is NOT TR7. The Legend project was never supposed to be TR7. People just seem to have decided it is, and now have gotten angry when they realise it makes no sense, when Crystal Dynamics never even INTENDED to make TR7 in the first place.

    I suppose I'll just copy and paste from one of my posts...again...

    There are four Tomb Raider stories in total:

    The Core Design videogames storyline:

    This includes the six major games, their expansion packs, The Times Exclusive level, the Gameboy series, the mobile phone game series and the trilogy of novels. This storyline is no longer being continued. In this storyline, Lara was in a plane crash aged 21. Her parents were not on this plane. Lara had always been adventurous, but have never really allowed herself to live her life completely that way. This event changed her mind about that. Her parents were unhappy with the way their daughter started behaving, this led to an argument which resulted in Lara's parents cutting off contact with her. Her parents never died in this storyline.

    The Top Cow comics storyline:

    This includes all the Tomb Raider comics, including crossover series and times when Lara has appeared on an official basis in other Top Cow comics. I have heard that there have not been any comics in quite a while now, and that Top Cow are considering not making any further continuation of this story. I am not sure if this has been confirmed though. In this storyline, Lara was on a plane sometime in her 20s. Her parents and fiance were also on this plane. The plane crashed, and Lara was the only survivor.

    The Paramount films storyline:

    This includes the two films and the four novels released to accompany the films. Paramount are giving consideration to making a third film, and I have heard that it is looking extremely likely that this will happen. There will probably be more novels to accompany this third film. I am not sure if this film has been confirmed though. In this storyline, Lara's mother died when she was a baby. Lara's father was murdered when she was seven (although you might say he wasn't completely dead...ask me if you want to know and don't mind a HUGE spoiler for the official film novel by Dave Stern).

    The Crystal Dynamics videogame storyline:

    This includes Legend. I have heard that Crystal Dynamics are developing a second videogame. I am not sure if this has been confirmed though. The situation with her parents in this storyline is the one that you see in Legend.

    So, there you have it. Legend is COMPLETELY SEPERATE to the other games. TR1, TR2 etc, did not happen in Legend Lara's life, unless any particular event gets referenced in Legend or any of its sequels, only then will that particular event also be part of the Legend storyline. It is not an inaccuracy, it's a new, seperate storyline, it is NOT connected to Core Design's games, and I really wish people would stop trying to convince themselves that it is (not saying any of you guys in particular are doing this, but I have noticed a lot of people around the Internet actually distorting their own perception of what happened in the old games in order to make it fit in with Legend). What they have done is exactly the same as what they did with the comics, and also with the films; a seperate timeline.

    I really am starting to think Crystal Dynamics should have been more clear on this. They did mention it, but didn't really stress it. But so many people have become confused I really do think they should have explained it better. Because I feel like I've had to explain SO-MANY-TIMES

    oh well

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    Well, in that case, fair enough, although to me, it's like a new Star Wars film being created along the basis that Darth Vader wasn't Luke's father or something.

    I guess my annoyance should have been: Why do Game Producers ignore the Developers' mistakes/contradictions...

    Thanks for the info, sorry - I hadnt noticed this mentioned elsewhere, otherwise I wouldnt have needed to make a new thread.

    And apologies, Dhama, seeing as in essence, that is what you'd told me

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    It's not your fault, Raziel_Requiem. At the end of the day, at least it makes me useful for something!

    Yes, I was very upset at it myself when I first found it out. It means the original story that we played TR1 right up to AOD (and a little beyond...the mobile phone and games and the two novels that were set after) will never be continued. That particular version of Lara, we will never see again. The original Lara Croft.

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    Things that are in the games are cannon, things that are not ... are not. So changing her bio does not at all change Lara. None of the facts that have been changed make her less believable.
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    Interestly, I believe that Toby Gard, the very man who created the original concept of Tomb Raider and Lara Croft, who basically started off the Core Design storyline timeline, actually was the one who decided that they wanted to not continue Core Design's work, and instead make a whole seperate "universe", if you will, of Tomb Raider. I mean, I know they were uneasy about the plans for TR7 and TR8 that Core Design had had (they were basically AOD2 and AOD3, containing Nephilim, probably Kurtis as well, that sort of thing) but it doesn't mean that they had to erase the story completely.

    I suppose maybe they felt that if they had continued Core Design's work without explaining the end of AOD (basically a new adventure, but still using the original timeline...plane crash at 21 etc), then people would accuse them of being unrealistic, and Eidos Interactive didn't want them to explain it because so many people didn't like AOD, and didn't want any more Nephilim or Kurtis.

    I suppose the only way would have been to start a completely seperate storyline...that way AOD never even happened to "New Lara", so not explaining it is feasible.

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    Even Core design wasn't consistant. According to TR1-3, Lara got her desire for adventure after the plane crash (which, I believe, happened when she was around 20.) Then in TR4, we learn that she had her thirst for adventure long before that, which is why she went with Von Croy to Cambodia.
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    Thats a shame really. I enjoyed the near death experience storyline in TR 4 and 5. The only 2 things that came back from her past storylines are Zip and Winston, big whoop.

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    Even Core design wasn't consistant. According to TR1-3, Lara got her desire for adventure after the plane crash (which, I believe, happened when she was around 20.) Then in TR4, we learn that she had her thirst for adventure long before that, which is why she went with Von Croy to Cambodia.
    This is true, Mangar_The_Dark, but I don't see it as a huge difference, like the differences between the Core Design and Crystal Dynamics storylines are.

    I think what it's meant to mean is that, Lara was always adventurous, but her upbringing meant she controlled herself a lot; sure she got into trouble sometimes, going off climbing hills and whatever, but nothing on the scale as, say, going to Italy in an attempt to find the Philosopher's Stone. It was only after her crash that she thought "I can't go on like this, keeping myself down all the time. I have to live, I don't care what my parents have to say about it any more".

    Or something like that.

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    Why get so upset about whether they're following this intricate lineage or that? all that matters is that Tomb raider games are a blast to play and keep being made. I mean how many people really followed the back story of Lara anyway? I'm sure theres a few hardcore afficianadoes of Laras family tree here on this specialised forum, but I highly doubt the vast majority of the 28 million TR fans out there could have told you who or where her mum and dad were before Legend came out... and almost definitely still couldn't. Coz none of em really care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straw Dog
    Why get so upset about whether they're following this intricate lineage or that? all that matters is that Tomb raider games are a blast to play and keep being made. I mean how many people really followed the back story of Lara anyway? I'm sure theres a few hardcore afficianadoes of Laras family tree here on this specialised forum, but I highly doubt the vast majority of the 28 million TR fans out there could have told you who or where her mum and dad were before Legend came out... and almost definitely still couldn't. Coz none of em really care.
    I have to agree with you, and I almost posted something similar myself. (actually, if I look back through old threads on this topic, I'll probably find that I DID post something similar... sans the "rabid sheepdog" bit.)

    But I guess since we're on a TR message board, that means we're bound to be surrounded by diehard fans who know exactly what age Winston started losing his hair, and if CD attempts to change that, there'll be hell to pay. (jeez, just the fact that I know the butler's name means I spend way too much time with these games... most people probably just know him as "the butler," assuming they remember him at all.) So, yes, I'm a TR dork.
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    And his surname is Jeeves. He was married once too. To an Irishwoman.

    But yeah I know what you guys mean, it's just a game, pfft these sad sad people.


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    Yes, it's just a game, and TRL reminded us of this fact. Unfortunately, "tomb raider" is just a game, but Lara is not. She is a Character with big C. The success of tomb raider series was due also to this aspect. This was clear since the title of the first videogame "Tomb Raider featuring Lara Croft". They wanted to underline the "character" starting from the title itself. I think that in these 10 years Lara passed the boundaries of our monitors. She became a cultural phenomenon. This is not only my opinion, but also the motivation given by the Guinness Book of World Records as the "most successful human video game heroine in history transcending the boundaries of video games and becoming a recognisable figure in mainstream society".
    If Lara hadn't been so important they wouldn't have added her to the Guinness i suppose...and so...if she is important, i think that also her fictional biography is important for her fans.
    That's the reason why many people complain about her changed biography. Anyway, it's not the general public fault: Lara biography in few lines has always been important on the manuals and on the official site. Now, for example, they didn' t delete a biography, they just started a completely new one. I think it' s normal that people who enjoyed her adventures in the past now feel cheated.
    Yes, i repeat, tomb raider is just a game, but when a character becomes a phenomenon, it' s not good to change it so much. Next time they could tell us that she is a cyborg (just because Angelina Jolie acted as a cyborg "in "cyborg2"), or spiderman's daughter, or one of the fantastic four who looks in the tombs for the other fantastic 3 that went missed in one mission of her past...
    My point is, tomb raider 8 would be a fantastic cool game anyway, but Lara's character would be extremely spoiled if something like this happened. That' s just my opinion.
    I think that a character, in order to appear on fashion magazines, music videos, movies, tons of fansites and finally the Guinness, must have some consistence. Lara had this consistence till now. Her new life reminded us she is not real and just a game. Trl is a beautiful game, nice graphics, nice tombs, nice heroine, but lost the contact with the charm achieved in ten years, cause it created a new Lara that is starting now. She is not bad, she is not worse, she is just another person. I' m not a sick guy who doesn't know she isn't real, but people like comics' heroes, movie characters because they are not real (or they would be boring maybe). Once a character is accepted, changing it, it is not good according to me.
    Anyway guys, Trl is a beautiful game, let's enjoy it, biography or not biography.
    I'm sorry for my english if you find any errors, i'm italian.
    Take care you all and let's hope they' ll soon start working on the next TR8 I love this series too much ehehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by kento
    This was clear since the title of the first videogame "Tomb Raider featuring Lara Croft".
    That's interesting. My copy of TR was just called "Tomb Raider" (no mention of Lara at all.) TR2, though, was called "Tomb Raider 2: Starring Lara Croft" and TR3 was "Tomb Raider 3: The Adventures Of Lara Croft"
    I really hated when they started marketing Lara as the most important part of the franchise. It took the emphasis away from adventure, exploration, etc, and more on to "hey look! Her pony tail moves! And check out the all the outfits! Ooh, look she's about to get into the shower... exciting, isn't it, kids?" Um, no, not really. What WAS exciting was exploring St. Francis Folly and fighting a T-Rex in the Lost Valley.
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    My copy title is exactly "tomb raider featuring lara croft". I have the sega saturn version, bought in november '96. I don' t know if the title changed on the consoles or in different countries.
    Anyway her name appeared also in the sequels as you noticed. I don't know if it s good or bad to focus on the character instead of the game itself. Anyway it happened: the character came to prominence and that's why many (not all, but many) people complain about her new biography.
    That' s only my opinion. After all, those players who never cared about lara's life won' t notice the change in this new game.
    Players who are disappointed are those ones who were interested also in the character and we can' t blame them, cause it was not their own decision to focus on Lara, it was the company that sold the game that way.
    Btw, i' m one of those players who were interested also in the character and i was disappointed when i saw a new back story It's not a tragedy (i liked legend anyway), but i started considering the games as "books", chapters about Lara's adventures and i found that the new book "kills" or deletes the previous ones ^_^
    Imagine what would happen with the next Harry Potter book if it will change Harry Potter into another wizard, deleting his past (i don' t read HP, i just enjoy the movies about him ^_^).
    Anyway guys, i just wanted to express my opinion about the reasons that made so many players interested in Lara's past. I'm sorry i bored you with 2 long posts and please, forgive me for my english ^_^
    Talking about exploration and t-rex, Mangar the Dark, i completely agree with you (lol, that t-rex scared me so much the first time i faced it).

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