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imported_van_HellSing
12th Dec 2008, 00:08
I had a bit of brainstorming with a friend about Shanghai, and how the situation in DX3 might be possible.

First of all, in no way is it possible that this pic (http://images.gamestar.de/images/idgwpgsgp/bdb/1985581/122.jpg) shows the entire city. Shanghai is huge and sprawling city today, what's in this pic is probably one new district.

Secondly, once you look past the buildings, the whole giant, supported platform thing looks somewhat like an oversized oil rig type of structure. Remember Big Shell from MGS2?

So, we thought up this scenario: the Chinese government wanted to construct a giant, geothermal powerplant to power the whole province. However, a great amount of funds was obviously needed to build a structure like that. So, they sold unique, attractive real estate on the plant's surface to the highest bidders. The plant itself obviously needed large amount of (poorly paid, ha!) staff and other support, so low standard quaters were built underneath the platform as well. Add to that some wild, unplanned, uncontrolled and largely illegal urban growth, and you've got the current situation.

Plausible enough for a DX game?

jordan_a
12th Dec 2008, 00:12
Secondly, once you look past the buildings, the whole giant, supported platform thing looks somewhat like an oversized oil rig type of structure. Remember Big Shell from MGS2?Please... don't speak about that. :D

imported_van_HellSing
12th Dec 2008, 00:20
Just an example ;)

jordan_a
12th Dec 2008, 00:29
The way this game destroyed itself is still hurtful to me, all its potential was just ruined after the tanker. :(

Anyway, whatever happens in Shanghai I'll take it... as long as it's not a caricature of the Chinese, like in 24.

AaronJ
12th Dec 2008, 00:35
Put it this way (or, these ways):

1) It's concept art. Ergo, just a concept.

2) You can clearly see what looks like a new part under construction to the right.

3) You'll be able to explore all of it. I don't think it's unrealistic to not make it to scale. Just, not as bad as DX1 compressed spaces, like the park in Hell's Kitchen.

"THERE'S FIGHTING IN THE PARK!"

"....you mean the two tables and a tree?"

imported_van_HellSing
12th Dec 2008, 01:17
OK, I think I actually managed to identify the location. It's Hengsha Island. Compare the outlines (http://maps.google.pl/maps?f=q&hl=pl&geocode=&q=shanghai&sll=52.025459,19.204102&sspn=6.179628,14.150391&ie=UTF8&ll=31.338976,121.841125&spn=0.134008,0.2211&z=12&g=shanghai&iwloc=addr).

EDIT: Yeah, no doubt about it, the pier is identical:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5117/pier2bu5.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5606/pierlq9.jpg

K^2
12th Dec 2008, 02:06
Woah. Good find.

MaxxQ1
12th Dec 2008, 02:07
OK, I think I actually managed to identify the location. It's Hengsha Island. Compare the outlines.

EDIT: Yeah, no doubt about it, the pier is identical:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5117/pier2bu5.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5606/pierlq9.jpg

Good find, and seems to back up your original post that what we're seeing is only a small fraction of the area.

imported_van_HellSing
12th Dec 2008, 02:09
Apparently there's not much stuff on the island right now (it's reportedly a nice, quiet place for relaxing outside the city), so yep, pretty much everything in the concept art was built within 20 years, no building another layer upon an already existing city.

K^2
12th Dec 2008, 02:22
Oh the aerial photo, it almost looks like there are farms on the island, but further North-West.

The portion where the city in DX3 stands looks like it might have grown out of a little port city currently on the island. So it makes sense so far.

GmanPro
12th Dec 2008, 05:37
Score one for EM.

And Van HellSing of course :thumb:

*updated score* :D
GmanPro: 1
Van HellSing: 1
EM: 1
Rest of forum: 0

Necros
14th Dec 2008, 08:59
Woah. Good find.
Indeed, great job van_HellSing! :thumb:

-|°
14th Dec 2008, 12:29
Great finds here !
So far, I had just noticed the airport to the East :
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4048/1251pp4.jpg
Maybe Adam won't be riding bloack helicopters and will have to find a way to fool security.
I also wondered if Shanghai is HUB like Hell's Kitchen, whether we could see the lower part of the island flooded. It doesn't seem so unlikely to me, and it could make the swimming skill a bit more useful ^^

K^2
14th Dec 2008, 13:08
It has the right geometry for a runway, but the lights are way off. Not to mention that for a city center this size, single runway is simply not going to cut it. Even for a small general aviation airport, it is too small.

Consider Cleveland, for example. I'm using it because I am familiar with the area.

This is a major airport in Cleveland area.
Cleveland Hopkins International (KCLE) (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=41.406943,-81.850033&spn=0.053432,0.132179&t=h&z=14)

Runways: 6R/24L, 6L/24R, 10/28

This is a small general aviation airport in downtown Cleveland. There is a great air show there every fall, and it is right next to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Burke Lakefront Airport (BKL) (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=41.5178,-81.681075&spn=0.02667,0.06609&t=h&z=15)

Runways: 6R/24L, 6L/24R

Notice that it has two runways in parallel plus a taxiway.

And here is my University's airport.
Kent State University Airport (1G3) (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=41.151661,-81.415322&spn=0.01341,0.033045&t=h&z=16)

Runways: 1/19

Notice that while there is only one paved runway, even this tiny airport has an additional grass runway. Again, notice the taxiway that runs along the main runway. I'm pointing it out because on the picture it looks like there might be two runways. However, if this was to be an airport, the second path would be a taxiway.

Finally, take a note of the width to length ratio. Again, it is way off on the picture.

If EM intended this to be an airport, they really should have done their homework better.

Digitaldruid
14th Dec 2008, 14:25
I had a bit of brainstorming with a friend about Shanghai, and how the situation in DX3 might be possible.

First of all, in no way is it possible that this pic (http://images.gamestar.de/images/idgwpgsgp/bdb/1985581/122.jpg) shows the entire city. Shanghai is huge and sprawling city today, what's in this pic is probably one new district.

Secondly, once you look past the buildings, the whole giant, supported platform thing looks somewhat like an oversized oil rig type of structure. Remember Big Shell from MGS2?



it barely resembles a oil rig or anything industrial. it looks more like a elevated monorail platform connecting several large elevated mono rail stations.

deus ex fan
14th Dec 2008, 17:55
i also believe that its somekind of a railway system,or something like this,probably an antimatter-equipped railway line hub which connect various spots in the city.

Also it looks like a "ceiling" of the lower part of the city.

K^2
14th Dec 2008, 17:58
Looks to me like a standard Sci-Fi highway-on-the-roof-tops. You can even see the smeared head lights of the vehicles buzzing by.

Radox Redux
19th Dec 2008, 19:59
What are you guys on about? That's clearly a landing strip. You can see everything. The two runways (as well as the diagonal intersect) the two take off ramps to the top-right and bottom-left of the cutout, as well as the planes and the bunkers.:hmm: Good job in getting the location though.

EDIT: Damn, I bumped an gone-by thread. Way to botch a first post. Sorry guys won't happen again :nut:

Lady_Of_The_Vine
19th Dec 2008, 20:02
Indeed, great job van_HellSing! :thumb:

Yes, definitely! :thumbsup:

K^2
19th Dec 2008, 23:53
What are you guys on about? That's clearly a landing strip. You can see everything. The two runways (as well as the diagonal intersect) the two take off ramps to the top-right and bottom-left of the cutout, as well as the planes and the bunkers.
You may be right about the hangar. But there is still only one runway, and it is still the worst airport replica I have ever seen. I know it is supposed to be future, but you either got VTOL or not. The geometry of the airport should not be effected. EM should do their homework better.