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Jxb1a
9th Oct 2008, 22:23
LOL was thinking, if Deus Ex 3 takes place in 2027, and with all the conspiracy, the people who would be leading the world would be those are either

a.) Kids right now

or

b.)people in college

- Adam Jenson if would be born around now or sometime very soon. And, those in college or will be in college would be in there 40s in 2027. Hehe looks like WE mess up the future. Hehe yay for us. Which also means if we take it further to 2050s like in DX1, one of us would be the old Manderley, Tracer Tong, or Bob Page...oh the humor in it all...

Mr. Perfect
9th Oct 2008, 22:34
Well, at least I know which Augs I'm getting when they come out! :D

~Psychotic~
9th Oct 2008, 22:40
Well, at least I know which Augs I'm getting when they come out! :D

I'm pretty sure you had no part to play in this, you're Mr. Perfect LOL. And in 2027 I shall be 36 lol. Screw that, I'll take my augmentations and when JC goes to see Page getting augmented I'll tell him to kick his lilly white ASS. Merge with Helios then kick his ASS SOME MORE.

Jxb1a
9th Oct 2008, 22:46
Haha! Remember, the people in the game could in theory be YOU in 2027 :D


EDIT ADDED: That's actually kind of freaky, if we're true to the Deus Ex universe, that means Bob Page would be a little child right now.

EDIT ADDED: I guess that would also mean that we are close to planning a Paul Denton, very soon. Don't know what will happen in DX3 so can't make a good argument. Hmm Paul Denton if were true would be in the early early infancy of the planning stages right now.

EDIT Added: I can imagine one of the moderator's thinking that they could be one of the Denton's parents lolz

Jxb1a
9th Oct 2008, 23:35
EDIT: Sorry for double post I hit reply by accident, meant to edit above reply.

MrP
9th Oct 2008, 23:53
EDIT: Sorry for double post I hit reply by accident, meant to edit above reply.
Edit post -> Delete. ;)

Jxb1a
10th Oct 2008, 00:09
Gotcha, next time I'll know what to do. So Mr.P what do you think about one us being the people that lead the way to cause the very problems in Deus Ex series?

EDIT ADDED: As a matter of fact, you know with the current global economic situation, it would be a opportune time for a big company to try and be the "savior."

~Psychotic~
10th Oct 2008, 00:43
Gotcha, next time I'll know what to do. So Mr.P what do you think about one us being the people that lead the way to cause the very problems in Deus Ex series?

EDIT ADDED: As a matter of fact, you know with the current global economic situation, it would be a opportune time for a big company to try and be the "savior."

Yeah, but if someone makes a company in Hong Kong called VersaLife and a plague called the Gray Death starts killing New York (or something similar) and then VersaLife makes a cure (not necessarily called Ambrosia) then we know what to do, don't we?

As far as I'm concerned though, I'd probably let MJ12 make Paul and JC, let them grow up and join UNATCO and THEN, and only then, tell them about the conspiracy. I mean, it's not like we wouldn't have proof LOL.

K^2
10th Oct 2008, 01:11
YOU All Caused the PROBLEM
Erm... Sorry?

Romeo
10th Oct 2008, 02:14
Man, in 2027 I'll be... What year is it now? Right...

. 2027
-2008
+ . 18
= ...37, just like somebody else. AWESOME. Bow-down, chumps. =D

jordan_a
10th Oct 2008, 02:21
We could still find the person responsible for this future chaos and suppress him, but by doing so we won't get DX3!... :eek:

So, what's it gonna be: World peace or DX3? :scratch:

minus0ne
10th Oct 2008, 02:24
Another poster going for the "controversial thread title of the year" :D I was half expecting another angry fan-rant :lol:

On-topic: The problems in DX3 have already been set in motion, this very day perhaps, by people already thrice our age - Lucius DeBeers anyone? ;)

But there's only so much you can attribute to any one person - perhaps we're all to blame for the dystopian future that no doubt awaits us :p

Semi-offtopic: It's always puzzling to see how everything is fine and dandy so long as there are creditcards and loans to go around (while two dozen wars rage), but when the world economy goes into a recession, OHMYGODEVERYONESGONNADIEEEEEE!RUNNN!!!! The US Presidential debates are very illuminating in that regard: it shows no one gives a **** about anything except dolla-dolla :rolleyes:

~Psychotic~
10th Oct 2008, 03:15
Another poster going for the "controversial thread title of the year" :D I was half expecting another angry fan-rant :lol:

On-topic: The problems in DX3 have already been set in motion, this very day perhaps, by people already thrice our age - Lucius DeBeers anyone? ;)

But there's only so much you can attribute to any one person - perhaps we're all to blame for the dystopian future that no doubt awaits us :p

Semi-offtopic: It's always puzzling to see how everything is fine and dandy so long as there are creditcards and loans to go around (while two dozen wars rage), but when the world economy goes into a recession, OHMYGODEVERYONESGONNADIEEEEEE!RUNNN!!!! The US Presidential debates are very illuminating in that regard: it shows no one gives a **** about anything except dolla-dolla :rolleyes:

DOLLA-DOLLA BILL-BILL. I don't know why I just said that.

DXeXodus
10th Oct 2008, 03:56
Oh my word! I'll be 42 years old in 2027. That actually freaks me out. :eek:

K^2
10th Oct 2008, 03:59
Same here. '85. Good year.

Jxb1a
10th Oct 2008, 04:31
See? Lol, the devs could make cameo appearances of themselves because they would be alive during 2027. Haha wouldn't be suprised to see themselves as older people by then in-game.

DXeXodus
10th Oct 2008, 04:49
Same here. '85. Good year.

Very good year :)
Ah, such fond memories of the eighties. I experienced a whole five years of it!

mouse
10th Oct 2008, 06:24
in 2050 I'll be 72... yay :)

so get off my lawn, punks! ****

ThatDeadDude
10th Oct 2008, 09:37
I always knew my plans for world domination would come to fruition

DXeXodus
10th Oct 2008, 10:02
Thread title changed to make it sound like less of a "rant" thread :thumbsup:

Roi Danton
10th Oct 2008, 10:38
Young folks here. :D
In 2027 i´m 63 years old.
In 2050 i may need augmentations to walk. :eek:

~Psychotic~
10th Oct 2008, 12:17
Young folks here. :D
In 2027 i´m 63 years old.
In 2050 i may need augmentations to walk. :eek:

That is awesome. No seriously, no sarcasm, that is awesome.
In 2052 I'll be 61, if JC and Paul existed I would find it pretty friggin weird that a game recorded their events. A game made 52 years ago LOL.

Jxb1a
10th Oct 2008, 13:09
in 2027 I'll be 41. I'd be in the heart of the problem. I just hope I won't be one of the homeless bums on the street.:mad2:

TrickyVein
10th Oct 2008, 13:47
This is all, of course, banking on the success of John O. Connor and the resistance to eliminate the T2 prototype and the globally integrated missile defense system before all is too late :eek: AND the prevention of another world war around 2019 forcing most of the earth's population off world :eek: AND the survival of another world epidemic wrought by a crazy red headed guy traveling from airport to airport with a tasteless, odorless, virus in a tube :eek: AND our ability to survive through a mass extinction event caused by the shutting down of the gulf stream channel due to the infusion of cooler water from the melted polar ice caps :D .

René
10th Oct 2008, 13:52
This is a really cool thread. I never thought of the stuff in here! Well, if you look at the U.S. financial situation right now, government using public money to bail out private firms is kind of a dystopian thing. You can see this being the beginning of more government involvement/control which is Cyberpunk-y.

René
10th Oct 2008, 13:53
This is all, of course, banking on the success of John O. Connor and the resistance to eliminate the T2 prototype and the globally integrated missile defense system before all is too late

Duh duh duh duh duh!

Jxb1a
10th Oct 2008, 16:10
I quote some of this article from Yahoo! Finance News...by Terence Hunt

"Bush spoke as leaders of the world's top economies gathered in Washington amid frozen credit markets, panic selling in stock markets and a looming global recession.

The president noted that major Western countries were working together in an attempt to stabilize markets and end the spreading panic, including coordinated cuts in interest rates...

It was the first time the president has mentioned suggestions that the government buy shares of banks, although it has been mentioned by other administration officials.

Since the bailout package was signed into law, the conversation about how it will be used has shifted from taxpayers buying troubled mortgages to taxpayers buying troubled banks. Or at least pieces of them.

Such a move would amount to a partial nationalization of the U.S. banking industry, a move once considered unthinkable.

The government is authorized under the law to buy "troubled assets."

Those assets include mortgages, but according to the law, they may also include "any other financial instrument" that is "necessary to promote financial market stability ... ."



IMO: I think this current global economic crisis has a rightful place in Deus Ex 3, since it would've been less than 20 years from 2008. Most people who know about this situaton now will still remember it for years to come. Maybe there could be a textbook in-game on the early turn of the millenium history and this economic crisis could have an article in it.

TrickyVein
10th Oct 2008, 16:41
What is more crazy?

JP Morgan bailing out the Fed in 1897 during the financial crisis then or the Fed bailing out the private sector now?

We've seen a complete turnaround. Then again, the largest of the corps (the JP morgan's of today) are now just annexing smaller organizations - now, as someone mentioned elsewhere, would be an excellent time for a "savior" global corporation to emerge - there have been headlines and talk of reforming the IMF - my friends, Deus Ex 1 got most of its ideas from current conspiracies real or imagined - this future is not too implausible. And it's rather bleak.

Gone are the days when science fiction was "fiction." It's real and happening right now.

Jxb1a
10th Oct 2008, 18:02
Trickyvein, scary thing is that you're most likely right. Kind of scary, these coincidences.

ThatDeadDude
10th Oct 2008, 18:35
I personally find it kind of exciting. But maybe that's just because I've never gotten around to trying my hand at investment.

Azrepheal
10th Oct 2008, 18:44
Gone are the days when science fiction was "fiction." It's real and happening right now.

One of my favourite quotes was by Steven Spielberg about Jurassic Park - "This is not science fiction; it's science eventuality."

minus0ne
10th Oct 2008, 22:54
This is a really cool thread. I never thought of the stuff in here! Well, if you look at the U.S. financial situation right now, government using public money to bail out private firms is kind of a dystopian thing.
**** The dystopian bit there is not in the fact that the US government is pulling these kneejerk socialist reactions, but rather that there wasn't ANY socialist mechanism in place beforehand to regulate the finance sector and prevent these kinds of excesses in the first place. Sorry to correct you there but you've really got it backwards - I don't blame you but apparently I do have the media you watch to blame. I know socialism is a dirty dirty word in the US and CNN anchors can barely pronounce it without coughing up a hairball, but it's just one of the tools we have in Europe and the Netherlands to make damn sure this kind of thing doesn't happen here (and I thought the same was true to some extent of Canada).

The socializing of losses (while privatizing the profits) is just a spasm after the fact. The real crime here was deregulation, which, sadly, has bi-partisan origins in every administration since Reagan.

You can see this being the beginning of more government involvement/control which is Cyberpunk-y.
Let's hope so! So what if the banks and finance sector has strict oversight? Is that a bad thing? The CEO of Lehman Brothers walks away with $300m after partaking in the largest monetary robbery in the history, you don't think that's several orders of magnitude more spooky than government regulating the pure unadulterated greed of Wall Street?

To quote John Gray (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7645743.stm) on this:

"The era of American global leadership, reaching back to the Second World War, is over... The American free-market creed has self-destructed while countries that retained overall control of markets have been vindicated."

"In a change as far-reaching in its implications as the fall of the Soviet Union, an entire model of government and the economy has collapsed."

"How symbolic that Chinese astronauts take a spacewalk while the US Treasury Secretary is on his knees."

FrankCSIS
11th Oct 2008, 03:34
We're not just the people that will either screw it up or take over, we're also the ones building those augmentations!

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20081007p2g00m0dm011000c.html

So it begins :D

~Psychotic~
11th Oct 2008, 05:39
We're not just the people that will either screw it up or take over, we're also the ones building those augmentations!

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20081007p2g00m0dm011000c.html

So it begins :D

Augmentations may not screw up the world, you have to look at what we have now. We do have mechanical augmentations, right now. Prosthetic limbs are augmentation, breast augmentation, just to name a few.

These are the first steps of mechanical augmentation, nano-augmentation will take a while yet but in the case of Deus Ex, nano-augmentation didn't catch on fully until the 2050's, that's quite a while away yet.

The only augmentations I would never approve of is Cloak and Radar Transparency. That's just asking for trouble or military acceptance. Scientists are already trying to make an invisibility cloak, I find the idea so pathetic and it should stay in the fiction novels, movies and video games, where the people who abuse the technology can't do it in real life.

Speed Enhancement wouldn't be too bad but to be honest, I would love to see the Aqualung implemented in real life. We have tools that can allow us to breathe underwater for a long period but why not a tool embedded into our very selves? Wouldn't mind being able to swim faster too LOL.

Other ones from Deus Ex that would be cool IMO is Regeneration, for obvious reasons. Definitely not the Spy Drone and probably not Targeting either (all these have too many military uses and I hate them military, I respect all who are in it for their bravery and courage, but I dislike the ideals behind military forces).

Elethiomel
11th Oct 2008, 19:31
I'm not sure if someone mentioned this (in a bit of a hurry, only skimmed the thread) but aside from there being truth in the fact that it'll be our generations that make the real world of Deus Ex, did anyone consider that people of world leader calibre may in fact be *inspired* by the Cyberpunk genre?

In that case, would it not be too far a stretch of the imagination to consider that perhaps the game designers will significantly contribute to the creation of the doomed world they ultimately want us to avoid?

Personally, I'm all for it, I love global catastrophe and genuinely want to be here to witness the end of the world. I imagine not everyone is as nihilistic as me, though!

TrickyVein
12th Oct 2008, 01:31
Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Personally, I am not one of them.

~Psychotic~
12th Oct 2008, 04:46
Personally, I'm all for it, I love global catastrophe and genuinely want to be here to witness the end of the world. I imagine not everyone is as nihilistic as me, though!

You sir, are a sick man. And I jest not, that's an incredibly sick thing to think, in my opinion. I'm a generally a sadist and a cynic.

I do not wish for the end of the world, I do not wish for global catastrophe. In my opinion, anyone who wishes their world to crumble is just asking for it to happen and when it does, you never expect it and you complain.

So go ahead, leave yourself to your wishes of doom, but when it comes, you will be doomed just as the rest of us. And then, will you regret what you have wished? Will you regret it when your corpse is lying, lifeless, on the cold hard surface that is the Earth?

Yargo
13th Oct 2008, 04:00
I can say that I plan to help make augmentations a reality. I only hope I'm not to late to contribute to that. I think the world of augmentations can only be kick a$$. The political things are up to the politicians only until everyone is sick of being misrepresented and stand up for what used to be a great society. When that day comes I imagine it could lead to a deus ex-like world. I just hope I'm important enough to be vaccinated :( .

FrankCSIS
13th Oct 2008, 05:58
did anyone consider that people of world leader calibre may in fact be *inspired* by the Cyberpunk genre?

I very much doubt it. If it were in motion it would be done by now. I always said we would be unbelievably screwed if intelligent people with resources decided to just go bad. The world is much more easier to burn than it is to build and anyone of that caliber would inevitably succeed (hence movies and games in general being unrealistic in that regard).

We've been lucky enough to have idiotic, desperate and resourceless terrorists so far.

Mecranth
13th Oct 2008, 06:01
You sir, are a sick man. And I jest not, that's an incredibly sick thing to think, in my opinion. I'm a generally a sadist and a cynic.

I do not wish for the end of the world, I do not wish for global catastrophe. In my opinion, anyone who wishes their world to crumble is just asking for it to happen and when it does, you never expect it and you complain.

So go ahead, leave yourself to your wishes of doom, but when it comes, you will be doomed just as the rest of us. And then, will you regret what you have wished? Will you regret it when your corpse is lying, lifeless, on the cold hard surface that is the Earth?

Sounds like a jolly good time to me. Bring on the next Ice Age! Not the movie, the actual event!

pewbeng
13th Oct 2008, 06:53
So go ahead, leave yourself to your wishes of doom, but when it comes, you will be doomed just as the rest of us. And then, will you regret what you have wished? Will you regret it when your corpse is lying, lifeless, on the cold hard surface that is the Earth?

Probably not, because I'm a corpse.
That's the most exciting part.

Spiffmeister
15th Oct 2008, 06:38
:eek: A scary thought.

Shotgun the first invisibility aug :D

Jerion
15th Oct 2008, 06:41
Dibs on the GEP guns and rockets. I'll need all the firepower I can get when the zombies start roaming the earth. :p

TrickyVein
18th Oct 2008, 16:45
Isn't the point of Dues Ex to avoid these kinds of global catastrophes or at least give the player the choice to do the right thing? It doesn't have to be so terminally pessimistic.

dxfan94
19th Oct 2008, 04:57
2027 hmmm

2027
- 2008

19+15=34!! yeah

oh and umm id love to be the one to be in this all. not that i want the world to end because of me. noo i want another good part that doesn't involve me dying.

B0b_P@ge
20th Oct 2008, 01:18
I'll be 42.... ughhh... well luckily Japan will have the space elevator (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/24/2372988.htm) built by then...

TrickyVein
21st Oct 2008, 11:13
I'll be 42.... ughhh... well luckily Japan will have the space elevator (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/24/2372988.htm) built by then...

Still hooked on that space thing.

Even when the game comes out 100% space environment free you'll still be trying to convince us all how great an idea it is.

:rasp: