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Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Oct 2008, 14:34
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INTRODUCTORY RECAP

Deus Ex 3 is set in the year 2027 (before the events of DX1) and players will take on the role of Adam Jensen.
Jensen is a security officer working for a private security company, inside a tech laboratory specialising in bio-mechanical augmentations.
One day, the path of his life is unexpectedly altered as a team of black ops commandos break into his company’s headquarters and (using a security plan from Jensen’s own hand) a mass slaughter ensues.
From there on out, Jensen is caught up in a conspiracy that's going to see him scrapping for his life....


UPDATE: New Introduction (via FAQs Thread)


WHO IS DEUS EX 3's PROTAGONIST?
The lead character is Adam Jensen, a security response specialist who's been handpicked to oversee the defensive needs of one of America's most experimental biotechnology firms. You, playing as Adam, are all-human, all organic.... for now, that is. You start pure, but as the story unfolds you are forced to augment yourself in order to survive and achieve objectives. Adam has a history leading up to the events that start the game, so his background is well fleshed out and we will learn more about him and his past, and his future, as the game progresses.


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I thought it would be nice to offer up something different by way of discussion regarding DX3.
Just to take a break from from the all-so-serious game mechanics. :p

What better then, than to concentrate on the main character of Deus Ex 3. After all, he is the "Man of the Moment". :cool:
We're going to be wearing his clothes and experiencing his life; so we may as well snuggle in now before the real action begins.



So, let's discuss Adam Jensen and the way the story begins... any way you like. ;)
I have included some general questions below to help get started:


What are your general opinions on our protagonist, Adam Jensen?
How do you feel about his current look/image?
Are you happy with his occupation as far as beginning the game is concerned?
What about his obvious smoking habit, hehe!

Do you have any theories as to whether or not Jensen is somehow related to anyone (or anything) that appeared in the previous games?
If so, please share.

Finally, we know about how the story/game will begin.
Do you have any general views on the scenario we have been given?
Any ideas on just who these "black op commandos" work for? Is 'black' an obvious clue...? :scratch:

We know that they have slaughtered the staff at the biomech aug lab Jensen works at. "Mass slaughter" sounds like the entire HQ building, not just the lab!... perhaps.
Any ideas why or what this private security company may have in their possession that is so important to the faction who sent in the commandos?
Could it be that they are looking for something that ultimately threatens them; or maybe something that will promise them greater control and power?

Maybe it isn't the lab contents they are after... but all the lives of those who are working there? Maybe they knew something... or knew too much.
Perhaps only one person knew something but the command was to 'kill all and leave no witnesses'?

***

None of us know for sure until we play the game; but this is the perfect time to let your imagination run wild... logically or not.

Let's begin....! :)

Mecranth
7th Oct 2008, 14:52
I have been waiting for such a thread, MrsP. It will indeed be nice to discuss something that contains limited controversy.


What are your general opinions on our protagonist, Adam Jensen?

I believe Adam will fit into the role and world quite nicely. While the look is quite good, his role as a security guard interests me the most. Instead of controlling a man who is, from the very beginning, created to kill, the player will take control of someone that a lot of people would not expect much out of, give or take a few arrests and dealings with nosy locals.


How do you feel about his current look/image?

Slightly over-the-top, but I have no problems with this. Many would agree that he looks plain awesome, but this is entirely up to personal preference. For me, his look suits his role and place in the world just fine.


Are you happy with his occupation as far as beginning the game is concerned?

More than. It is both refreshing and interesting to be part of the basic security forces rather than somebody that every person sees as special from the beginning. His starting occupation, I believe, will help to build his character.


What about his obvious smoking habit, hehe!

Obviously implemented to magnify his cool factor, which, again, I have no problems with. In fact, I have not seen a protagonist that smokes in quite some time. That surprises me.


Do you have any theories as to whether or not Jensen is somehow related to anyone (or anything) that appeared in the previous games?

Many theories could be formulated, but I personally enjoy the theory that he is the genetic parent of the future Dentons the most, despite how much that would liken to Metal Gear Solid.


Do you have any general views on the scenario we have been given?

I honestly do not. The commandos could very well be from Majestic 12, but that may be too obvious an answer. They could belong to any organization. What interests me is how they get their hands on the security plan. Is Jensen secretly in league with them or was this an accident on Jensen's part?

piippo
7th Oct 2008, 14:54
...So, let's discuss Adam Jensen and the way the story begins... any way you like. ;)
I have included some general questions below to help get started:


What are your general opinions on our protagonist, Adam Jensen?

Sounds interesting enough, we don't know that much about him yet. Setting, premise, I am all happy with those. No complaints. Except I'd like to know more :)


How do you feel about his current look/image?

They've nailed the look, if that concept art is anything to go by. I have no complaints. Look suits the said surroundings and setting of the game. I can't complain, complaining would be just bit un-needed.


Are you happy with his occupation as far as beginning the game is concerned?

Yes, no complaints. You have to get a good starting point, and that sounds about right for me. Of course this is only a small part, I am interested in how the story evolves from there. Hopefully it will be very new-world-order / conspiracy / cyberpunk / deus-ex like :)

3nails4you
7th Oct 2008, 15:07
Was the Majestic 12 formed at that point? Seems like Page broke off from the Illuminati later than that, but what do I know?

Hey, maybe smoking is another optional feature! I enjoyed the 1st two games where smoking hurt you...<3 the relation of how smoking is bad for you.

Defres
7th Oct 2008, 15:21
Was the Majestic 12 formed at that point? Seems like Page broke off from the Illuminati later than that, but what do I know?

I'm not sure how it is in the DX world but I would belive it to follow the real life facts of these organisations.

The real life Majestic 12 was supposedly formed in 1947 by an executive order of U.S. President Harry S. Truman.

So yes, MJ12 would be very, very present in DX 3, aswell as templars and Illuminati.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Oct 2008, 15:42
I honestly do not. The commandos could very well be from Majestic 12, but that may be too obvious an answer. They could belong to any organization. What interests me is how they get their hands on the security plan. Is Jensen secretly in league with them or was this an accident on Jensen's part?

I'm liking the latter hypothesis! :cool:
Jensen could have unwittingly left the security plan wide open to scrutiny by the wrong hands. At least I prefer that to the idea of him being 'in league' with murderous bad-guys.
Then again... *thinks* .... it could be interesting if Adam isn't such a nice guy, but realises the consequences of his actions after and has to try to put things right.



I'm not sure how it is in the DX world but I would belive it to follow the real life facts of these organisations.
The real life Majestic 12 was supposedly formed in 1947 by an executive order of U.S. President Harry S. Truman.
So yes, MJ12 would be very, very present in DX 3, aswell as templars and Illuminati.

You know I'm going to ask this - but what about the Omar?
Do you think it is possible that earlier (not yet bio-modified) Russian scientists may also feature as a storyline within DX3?

3nails4you
7th Oct 2008, 15:48
I'm not sure how it is in the DX world but I would belive it to follow the real life facts of these organisations.

The real life Majestic 12 was supposedly formed in 1947 by an executive order of U.S. President Harry S. Truman.

So yes, MJ12 would be very, very present in DX 3, aswell as templars and Illuminati.

In the DX story, Bob Page broke away from his mentor, Morgan Everett, kinda leader of the Illuminati (DeBeers FTW) and formed the Majestic 12, as well as VersaLife, a front for his experimentation with the Gray Death, Ambrosia, and most importantly nanoaugmentation. I don't think Page is old enough for MJ12 to show up just yet in 2027, but I think it is very possible that we will be thrust into the conflict between Manderley and the Templars. Hmm...I just thought of that 0.o lol

Icarus AI
7th Oct 2008, 15:50
Was the Majestic 12 formed at that point? Seems like Page broke off from the Illuminati later than that, but what do I know?

Hey, maybe smoking is another optional feature! I enjoyed the 1st two games where smoking hurt you...<3 the relation of how smoking is bad for you.

Well MJ12 was created by the Illuminati in the 1940s, but it broke off from Illuminati in 2030s if I remember correctly. So yeah it existed, but it was in controll of the Illuminati.

3nails4you
7th Oct 2008, 16:05
Well MJ12 was created by the Illuminati in the 1940s, but it broke off from Illuminati in 2030s if I remember correctly. So yeah it existed, but it was in controll of the Illuminati.

Mmk gotcha

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Oct 2008, 16:24
What are your views about the 'socket' on Adam's forehead? :)

PS. Please excuse poor image quality, I'm using the original magazine scan.

Overtime
7th Oct 2008, 16:25
Do you have any theories as to whether or not Jensen is somehow related to anyone (or anything) that appeared in the previous games?
If so, please share.


I mentioned this a couple of times before but i think his name indicates he has a relation to JC. Adam for Adam and Eve. JC for...well everybody knows that.

The genetic descendant thing is almost to attractive to dismiss. It's a perfect way of connecting the two games. Note that IW was connected in that way to DX.

If they dont follow that they will have Adam do something in relation to JC...I just dont know what else it could be...

3nails4you
7th Oct 2008, 16:30
Maybe right before we fight the final boss we walk through room full of tanks with babies in 'em as prototypes for augmentation? AKA Emiiiiile? And then maybe we can see a blueprint or something for JC's augs. That'd be cool.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Oct 2008, 16:31
I mentioned this a couple of times before but i think his name indicates he has a relation to JC. Adam for Adam and Eve. JC for...well everybody knows that.

The genetic descendant thing is almost to attractive to dismiss. It's a perfect way of connecting the two games. Note that IW was connected in that way to DX.

If they dont follow that they will have Adam do something in relation to JC...I just dont know what else it could be...

Yeah, all sounds feasible. :cool:

Big Orange
7th Oct 2008, 16:31
Adam Jensen resembles Big Boss and Solid Snake quite closely, especially with the cigerette (I hate smoking). He looks maybe quarter Asian too, giving him that cosmopolitan vibe. He seems to be a run of the mill person recruited into a PMC contracted/owned by the bioengineering corporation he is working at. The commando team could very easily be MJ12, Illuminati or some other third party. Civil war between Page and DeBeers perhaps. More sinisterly the commando team could be working for the same organization that is ultimately signing Adam Jensen's paycheck. It would be a little too cheesy if his DNA was a template for the Dentons, but the R&D technology being killed over at the start of the game would easily have everything to do with them and the Universal Constructors.

3nails4you
7th Oct 2008, 16:39
Maybe at the end Jensen has to sacrifice himself in order for their to be enough genetic material for the Dentons, who at that point he realizes may be the only hope for a stable future. Epic.

Overtime
7th Oct 2008, 16:45
Maybe at the end Jensen has to sacrifice himself in order for their to be enough genetic material for the Dentons, who at that point he realizes may be the only hope for a stable future. Epic.

Thats a good point. What happens to him by the time the events of DX are occurring. Easiest way would be to kill him off but that might be a little anti-climatic.

Icarus AI
7th Oct 2008, 16:46
Maybe at the end Jensen has to sacrifice himself in order for their to be enough genetic material for the Dentons, who at that point he realizes may be the only hope for a stable future. Epic.

That sounds retarded. Extremely retarded. How could he know that Dentons wouldn't become just MJ12 henchmen? And btw Paul is already 8 or 9 when the game starts in 20207.

jc_lemon_lime
7th Oct 2008, 16:46
i think that adam has the potential to be a very compelling hero. it will be interesting to see the deus ex world from the eyes of an 'everyman' who was born and raised in normal society, rather than clones that were placed in covert ops training programs as children. (alex denton mentions that she entered tarsus at 13 in IW. and sence bob page tells jc in area 51 that he had his 'parents' killed when they objected to him being sent to training, we can assume that he was roughly the same age.)

as for his (adam's) look, it's quite cool; definetly more-cyberpunk-than-thou; and his sunglasses are a nice throw-forward (if you will) to jc. my only reservation is that he looks a little old; (40 years + or -) not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just a bit of a supprise since jc and alex were both in thier early 20's at the times of their respective adventures. but it could give some personal insight on how the world will change in the next 21 years.

as for the company he works for: there a so many things they could be working on that would tie into the first game, it's hard to speculate (the dentons, the UC, the AI's, the gray death, the aquinas protocalls, nanotech.) the black ops commandos would almost have to be working for mj12 or the illuminati, or dummy groups there of. i do think it's safe to say that we'll see cameos from morgan everett, bob page, beth duclare, and joe manderley, to name just a few. (i'm hoping to see a young mr. renton for some reason)

all in all, i can't wait to play the game for myself and see how it all comes together. :cool: :thumbsup:

Overtime
7th Oct 2008, 17:02
And btw Paul is already 8 or 9 when the game starts in 20207.

Thats not necessarily true. They could have both been growth accelerated and implanted with false memories...JC origins seem a bit of a mess.

From Wiki:
JC's origins are muddled in the game. In Area 51, a datacube reveals JC's date of inception as March 17, 2054, with an "assigned birth date" of March 17, 2029. Since Deus Ex takes place in 2052 this would mean JC is physically 23 years old (this is supported by the fact Morpheus mentions JC is 23), and he was growth accelerated to his biological age. This would be assuming that the inception date was incorrect. This leaves no room for most of his original backstory, unless the acceleration was somehow irregular or his memories are in fact false (which raises serious questions about his relationship with Paul). Another datacube contains an email about "creating genetically viable candidates for nano-augmentation through cloning", speculating that "in the future, this process could be streamlined through the application of accelerated growth and memory implantation", which lends some credence to this theory.

This leaves open the possibilities that JC and/or Paul are the result of such a process (and that all references to their past and their parents are forged) or that the datacube with JC's age (and the appearance of fully-grown clones in tubes) is simply an inconsistency introduced by development of the game. Given the complexity of the plot of Deus Ex and its numerous twists, neither can be discounted.

Decard
7th Oct 2008, 17:11
Let's all hope that the personality of Adam Jensen will be as good as his appearance ; ) I totally LOVE the way he looks!

btw. Alex D looks like a retarded skinny teenager, lol.

Big Orange
7th Oct 2008, 17:32
I'd say Paul Denton and JC Denton were both clones, but I like to think they were naturally born from the same surrogate mum and grew up normally in overseen foster caare, but in the meantime MJ12 was planning on efficiently building up an army of nano agents based upon the original Dentons, so excellerated cloning and memory implants would've been perfected by the time of DX1.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Oct 2008, 18:16
Let's all hope that the personality of Adam Jensen will be as good as his appearance ; ) I totally LOVE the way he looks!


Yeah, me too! :cool:

Icarus AI
7th Oct 2008, 18:21
Thats not necessarily true. They could have both been growth accelerated and implanted with false memories...JC origins seem a bit of a mess.

From Wiki:
JC's origins are muddled in the game. In Area 51, a datacube reveals JC's date of inception as March 17, 2054, with an "assigned birth date" of March 17, 2029. Since Deus Ex takes place in 2052 this would mean JC is physically 23 years old (this is supported by the fact Morpheus mentions JC is 23), and he was growth accelerated to his biological age. This would be assuming that the inception date was incorrect. This leaves no room for most of his original backstory, unless the acceleration was somehow irregular or his memories are in fact false (which raises serious questions about his relationship with Paul). Another datacube contains an email about "creating genetically viable candidates for nano-augmentation through cloning", speculating that "in the future, this process could be streamlined through the application of accelerated growth and memory implantation", which lends some credence to this theory.

This leaves open the possibilities that JC and/or Paul are the result of such a process (and that all references to their past and their parents are forged) or that the datacube with JC's age (and the appearance of fully-grown clones in tubes) is simply an inconsistency introduced by development of the game. Given the complexity of the plot of Deus Ex and its numerous twists, neither can be discounted.

Deus Ex bible is my source and if the bible is not canon in Deus Ex 3 well then Dx3 sucks.

Copied from the bible.


• 2018: Paul Denton born
• 2023: Paul, age 5, selected as test subject, cloned
• 2028: Tests on clones show limited success; Paul's mother impregnated with J.C.
• 2029: J.C. Denton born; scientists perfect embryonic incubator; additional clones grown over the next 15-20 years
• 2034: Experiments begin on second generation of clones (~age 5)
• 2035: Paul and J.C.'s parents killed by Majestic 12; J.C. sent to Swiss school
• 2036: Paul goes to four-year university
• 2040: Paul, age 22, joins UNATCO
• 2044: Common emotional centers in brain discovered (+/- 2 years)
• 2046: Work on Ambrosia project begins (?)
• 2047: J.C. graduates from Swiss school
• 2049: Last kinks are worked out of nano-augmentation
• 2050: Paul is offered nano-augmentation; procedure is successful; work stops on
• clones; most clones destroyed
• 2051: J.C., age 22, joins UNATCO, trains, is offered nano-augmentation
• 2052: Nano-augmentation procedure is successful.

K^2
7th Oct 2008, 19:00
I don't know if Adam has connection to JC, but the fact that they went to the old naming scheme is promising.

Also, interesting etymology of the last name itself. Jansen, literally means "The son of Jan". As the name is Dutch in origin, we look at dutch usage of Jan, and see that it is a shortened form of Johannes, which is the Dutch form of John, from Latin Iohannes, from Hebrew Yochanan, which means "God is gracious." Now, I don't know if this is intentional or not, but if Eidos M. team has done their research, it looks like they are trying to extend the "Son of God" connection set up by the first name.

Jerion
7th Oct 2008, 19:06
I don't know if Adam has connection to JC, but the fact that they went to the old naming scheme is promising.

Also, interesting etymology of the last name itself. Jansen, literally means "The son of Jan". As the name is Dutch in origin, we look at dutch usage of Jan, and see that it is a shortened form of Johannes, which is the Dutch form of John, from Latin Iohannes, from Hebrew Yochanan, which means "God is gracious." Now, I don't know if this is intentional or not, but if Eidos M. team has done their research, it looks like they are trying to extend the "Son of God" connection set up by the first name.

Maybe, but I just picked up on that "aDam Jensen" (the capitalized letters are emphasized in pronunciation) sounds a bit like a reversal of JC Denton. :nut:

I could just be seeing something from nothing though.

AaronJ
7th Oct 2008, 19:16
if the bible is not canon in Deus Ex 3 well then Dx3 sucks.

I completely agree. If they disregard the continuity of the first game, I don't care what else they put in, the game is a standalone and will suck.

Anyways, about the questions, I am not satisfied with Jensen's origin. It's ****. A security guard that gets attacked by BLACK OPS COMMANDOS?!?! My god, who wrote that crap?

jc_lemon_lime
7th Oct 2008, 19:26
Deus Ex bible is my source and if the bible is not canon in Deus Ex 3 well then Dx3 sucks.

Copied from the bible.

where can a copy of this bible be found?

Big Orange
7th Oct 2008, 19:36
I very much doubt they're going to totally piss on Deus Ex's continuity, especially if it is going to be a prequel. And how is being a guard working at a R&D facility anymore hackneyed than being a star agent for a UN police force? The first Deus Ex had many fictional troupes that it turned on the side, so there is likely much more to DX3 than just a bunch of random goons attacking a laboratory.

Icarus AI
7th Oct 2008, 19:47
where can a copy of this bible be found?

http://archive.gamespy.com/articles/april02/dxbible/dx1/ (part 1-2)
http://archive.gamespy.com/articles/april02/dxbible/dx3/ (part 3)

For some reason part 3 is separate.

3nails4you
7th Oct 2008, 20:00
That sounds retarded. Extremely retarded. How could he know that Dentons wouldn't become just MJ12 henchmen? And btw Paul is already 8 or 9 when the game starts in 20207.

Lol it was pretty dumb, huh? But seriously, 20207? What is this, Dune?

And I dunno, using accelerated light through a system of mirrors in orbit moving extremely fast using the planet's gravity so that by the time the light gets back around we can see the future? Or something like that? It worked in Paycheck...

And maybe the Paul we know is just a clone of the original Paul? Who knows...*suspicious music*

But yeah it did sound really dumb.

Icarus AI
7th Oct 2008, 20:04
Lol it was pretty dumb, huh? But seriously, 20207? What is this, Dune?



Whoops :o . 2027 that is.

3nails4you
7th Oct 2008, 20:06
my only reservation is that he looks a little old; (40 years + or -) not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just a bit of a supprise since jc and alex were both in thier early 20's at the times of their respective adventures.

Smoking takes YEARS off your life. He might be 25 for all we know. Maybe that's why he volunteers for the augmentation procedures - so he can smoke and his augs will filter it out or something lol.

Mindmute
7th Oct 2008, 20:14
Smoking takes YEARS off your life. He might be 25 for all we know. Maybe that's why he volunteers for the augmentation procedures - so he can smoke and his augs will filter it out or something lol.
Erm... I'm 21... I smoke and I look 21. I will be 25, maybe still a smoker and I will still look 25.
Being a smoker doesn't make you look 20 years above your age you know?


As far as the character is concerned, I'm quite happy with the way he looks, it fits well into the cyberpunk genre of DX.
His job as security guard, can be somewhat cliche depending on how it plays out, I hope do manage to avoid any scenario that ends up being too cheesy...

About the commandos using his own security plan, maybe that's the start of the conspiracy.
Maybe just before the storyline starts he unknowingly blundered into something and they're trying to take him out of the picutre, by framing him as an accumplice on that massacre.

3nails4you
7th Oct 2008, 20:22
Erm... I'm 21... I smoke and I look 21. I will be 25, maybe still a smoker and I will still look 25.
Being a smoker doesn't make you look 20 years above your age you know?


As far as the character is concerned, I'm quite happy with the way he looks, it fits well into the cyberpunk genre of DX.
His job as security guard, can be somewhat cliche depending on how it plays out, I hope do manage to avoid any scenario that ends up being too cheesy...

About the commandos using his own security plan, maybe that's the start of the conspiracy.
Maybe just before the storyline starts he unknowingly blundered into something and they're trying to take him out of the picutre, by framing him as an accumplice on that massacre.

(It was a joke) But in all seriousness, lots of people that smoke, especially a lot, look a lot older than they are. Not all, just lots.

Jerion
7th Oct 2008, 20:27
(It was a joke) But in all seriousness, lots of people that smoke, especially a lot, look a lot older than they are. Not all, just lots.

He looks to be in his later 20s early 30s to me.

As far as the security Guard thing goes, I'm more leaning towars a Ranger type dude from the Janet Evanovich novels than your average joe rent-a-cop.:)

I mean, he's a security guy now, but who knows what his backstory is? maybe he's ex-special forces or something. :P

Big Orange
7th Oct 2008, 20:48
Adam Jansen is likely working for a Blackwater style security firm (or PMC) rather than be a tubby, old rent-a-cop you see at a bank.

Bloodwolf806
7th Oct 2008, 21:01
I like Adams look, but I don't know enough about his personality to really give him a grade.

I have a feeling the story/Jensen's involvement in Deus Ex 3 will start out looking wholy independent of DX1 but the game will later have a big twist that ties into DX1.

MaxxQ1
7th Oct 2008, 21:20
Deus Ex bible is my source and if the bible is not canon in Deus Ex 3 well then Dx3 sucks.

Copied from the bible.

Slight problem with that timeline in the bible is that Paul mentions to JC that thier "dad" was at Paul's Academy graduation...even wore the "brown suit" and gave a speech, to which JC replies that "that doesn't sound like Dad", and "I wish I could have been there".


I don't know if Adam has connection to JC, but the fact that they went to the old naming scheme is promising.

Also, interesting etymology of the last name itself. Jansen, literally means "The son of Jan". As the name is Dutch in origin, we look at dutch usage of Jan, and see that it is a shortened form of Johannes, which is the Dutch form of John, from Latin Iohannes, from Hebrew Yochanan, which means "God is gracious." Now, I don't know if this is intentional or not, but if Eidos M. team has done their research, it looks like they are trying to extend the "Son of God" connection set up by the first name.

Being extra nitpicky today....:D

The last name is JENsen, not Jansen

BTW, I'm 44, have smoked since I was 19, and no one (that sees me) believes I'm that old. Most people put me in my early to mid-thirties...until I take off my hat and show them the really cool stripe of gray hair running staright back from the center of my forehead.

Oh, and the last main character of a game that I can recall that smoked was Manny Calavera from Grim Fandango. That guy smoked like a fish:rolleyes: , but since he's already dead, I guess it doesn't hurt him all that much.

general kane
7th Oct 2008, 22:19
will the proto is cool and all but i think we should rereview the Deus ex 3 trailer it appears thats what thy stole .

3nails4you
7th Oct 2008, 22:34
Slight problem with that timeline in the bible is that Paul mentions to JC that thier "dad" was at Paul's Academy graduation...even wore the "brown suit" and gave a speech, to which JC replies that "that doesn't sound like Dad", and "I wish I could have been there".



Being extra nitpicky today....:D

The last name is JENsen, not Jansen

BTW, I'm 44, have smoked since I was 19, and no one (that sees me) believes I'm that old. Most people put me in my early to mid-thirties...until I take off my hat and show them the really cool stripe of gray hair running staright back from the center of my forehead.

Oh, and the last main character of a game that I can recall that smoked was Manny Calavera from Grim Fandango. That guy smoked like a fish:rolleyes: , but since he's already dead, I guess it doesn't hurt him all that much.

<3 Grim Fandagno

And I didn't say EVERYONE, I just meant that it CAN make you look extra-aged.

Romeo
7th Oct 2008, 23:25
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc159/eternaltreasure/dx3mainchar-1.jpg


After all, he is the "Man of the Moment". :cool:
We're going to be wearing his clothes and experiencing his life; so we may as well snuggle in now before the real action begins.
:)

Oh boy, Does MrP know about all this? :eek:

MrP
7th Oct 2008, 23:39
Oh boy, Does MrP know about all this? :eek:

Well, apart from the socket on the forehead, the guy looks quite a lot like me... but the only way she'll fit into his/my clothes is in a virtual environment anyway, at the rate of all the cookies and candy you guys are feeding her. :p

Romeo
7th Oct 2008, 23:41
Oooh, MrsP is dating a socket-less studmuffin. And you're not supposed to comment on what your girl eats, one of the few lessons I've picked up over the years. lol

general kane
8th Oct 2008, 00:03
who is mrsP :confused: .

MaxxQ1
8th Oct 2008, 00:22
<3 Grim Fandagno

And I didn't say EVERYONE, I just meant that it CAN make you look extra-aged.

Well sure...if you smoke several packs a day. I'm still at less than a full pack/day. I guess I have enough willpower to not smoke more than that, but not enough to quit. Besides, it's the only vice I have (gotta do SOMETHING that's bad for ya). Gave up drinking years ago, and never did get into any drugs - hell it's all anyone can do to get me to take some aspirin when I have a headache.

So, since I don't do too much that's bad for me, I'm still my same gorgeous, svelte, slightly graying self that I was 20+ years ago (and if you believe that, I have some nice property in New York I'd like to sell you. It's a pretty famous bridge, going for pennies on the dollar).

Now, Manny, he really should quit smoking, because it REALLY aged him...:lol:

jc_lemon_lime
8th Oct 2008, 00:49
Slight problem with that timeline in the bible is that Paul mentions to JC that thier "dad" was at Paul's Academy graduation...even wore the "brown suit" and gave a speech, to which JC replies that "that doesn't sound like Dad", and "I wish I could have been there".



Being extra nitpicky today....:D

The last name is JENsen, not Jansen

while i respect the writers of DX's story tremendously, it does contradict itself quite a bit when it comes to the smaller details. (chronology in particular)

pauldenton
8th Oct 2008, 01:07
I mean, he's a security guy now, but who knows what his backstory is? maybe he's ex-special forces or something. :P

Good point.

I'll make a general loose stab at his age, origin - his face says 28-29 possibly French origin, but he has some grey appearing which could suggest 32-35. His name suggests Dutch area origin?

Dead-Eye
8th Oct 2008, 02:39
I completely agree. If they disregard the continuity of the first game, I don't care what else they put in, the game is a standalone and will suck.

Anyways, about the questions, I am not satisfied with Jensen's origin. It's ****. A security guard that gets attacked by BLACK OPS COMMANDOS?!?! My god, who wrote that crap?

Don't be so hasty the Deus Ex bible was only the ground work it and Deus Ex have quite a few inconsistency. For example the bible states that Paul was to join UNATCO after the death of his parents although Paul said to JC on the docks that Dad went to his graduation from the academy. Also Paul stated that they through the party for Paul as the first Nano-Augmented agent another inconsistency with the bible.

Adam looks really cool, like cool as in some of my hopes are getting renewed. This is a big plus because Alex Denton looked lame and sounded lame. JC sounded nonchalant but hay the kids parents died when he was like 12 or something. Hopefully they will be able to back up Adam with with a cool attitude. Maybe he wasn't always Privet Police maybe he fought in a war or something, that might make him a bit nonchalant too. Not so much that he has no character but just the right amount to make it seem like he can assassinate the guy or leave him alive and it doesn't seem out of character

I could easily play as this guy for 3 more games if he turns out to be as cool as he looks. However I would like to see some full body shots, we don't even know if he wares jackets that make him look bigger then he really is. But Deus Ex 6 should let you play as JC or Paul. :nut:

Igoe
8th Oct 2008, 03:33
I'm guessing at some point Adam's Killphrase may have some sort of plot relevance?

Maybe?

3nails4you
8th Oct 2008, 03:41
I've got the killphrase:

"Loose-cannon security guard on the edge who's not afraid to break the rules."

I...am...not...a...loose-cannon security guard on the ed-" BOOM!

In 2037 they discovered that killphrases should be shortened in order for the speaker to not get shot several times during the speaking of the phrase. Hence the two-letter ones in 2052. Makes sense to me.

K^2
8th Oct 2008, 03:43
Maybe, but I just picked up on that "aDam Jensen" (the capitalized letters are emphasized in pronunciation) sounds a bit like a reversal of JC Denton. :nut:

I could just be seeing something from nothing though.
I don't think "Adam" fits into it, but "Jensen" does have some similar patterns in pronunciation to "JC". That might be a real connection.

jc_lemon_lime
8th Oct 2008, 03:45
I've got the killphrase:

"Loose-cannon security guard on the edge who's not afraid to break the rules."

I...am...not...a...loose-cannon security guard on the ed-" BOOM!

In 2037 they discovered that killphrases should be shortened in order for the speaker to not get shot several times during the speaking of the phrase. Hence the two-letter ones in 2052. Makes sense to me.

:lmao: i think you just came up with the tag line for the back of the box

DXeXodus
8th Oct 2008, 04:20
What are your general opinions on our protagonist, Adam Jensen?


I think he is great for a Deus Ex protagonist. I don't think he is what any of us expected him to be. (Seems there will be no female player character this time around). I like how they have continued with the naming scheme. DX1 was filled with biblical references: JC (Jesus Christ), Paul, Joseph, etc.



How do you feel about his current look/image?


I think it is gritty and represents the world perfectly. No more neat-look academy student for us.



Are you happy with his occupation as far as beginning the game is concerned?


Yes. I am just interested to see how the game makes the transition between Private security guard and mechanically augged super power.



What about his obvious smoking habit, hehe!


Just adds to the image. His whole image is just alot ore cyberpunk than i expected. Which is definitely a good thing.



Do you have any theories as to whether or not Jensen is somehow related to anyone (or anything) that appeared in the previous games?
If so, please share.


I don't believe he is physically related to anyone in DX1, but i obviously believe there will be some strong connections in some way or another.

Overall, I really like the move made by the guys at Montreal and am looking forward to great, refreshing Deus Ex game.

Romeo
8th Oct 2008, 05:31
who is mrsP :confused: .
Only the coolest girl ever... To visit these forums.

And our character has a beard. That's so awesome. Come on everybody, sing along. http://www.picnicface.com/videos.php?videoID=19

Jerion
8th Oct 2008, 05:48
I don't think "Adam" fits into it, but "Jensen" does have some similar patterns in pronunciation to "JC". That might be a real connection.

Fair enough.

Just for ****s 'n' grins:

JC - The Professional One :cool:
Paul - The Reluctant One :o
Alex - The "Other" one. ****
Adam - The Badass One :thumbsup:

Icarus AI
8th Oct 2008, 08:37
Slight problem with that timeline in the bible is that Paul mentions to JC that thier "dad" was at Paul's Academy graduation...even wore the "brown suit" and gave a speech, to which JC replies that "that doesn't sound like Dad", and "I wish I could have been there".



If I remember correctly one of the devs (of the original game. Harvey or Pacotti maybe?) said in Planet Dx forums they were talking about their foster father who too was murdered eventually. It still sounds pretty stupid, but on the other hand there is a email in the game where it says that Dentons parents should be killed and little JC should be sent to Switzerland which supports the bible instead. I just like to think that fist dialogue was just not completly thought through (yeah I know that me liking to do something doesn't make it canon).

"From: BPage//UpNet.658.9044
To: WSimons//UpNet.039.4980
Subject: Secondary Unit

I've come to believe that <PLAYERFIRSTNAME> should be brought up in a
more supervised environment than his brother; I have serious doubts as to his
brother's usefulness as our primary unit, and would rather that at least one
of the secondary units was under our direct control.

Terminate the parents, but see that <PLAYERFIRSTNAME> is not harmed.
We'll move him to our school in Switzerland where we can oversee his
development. If it becomes necessary, his brother is expendable.

Page"

And Sam Carter also says that JC had to grow up without parents. I don't think Paul has had nanoaugmentations for so long that JC could be considered to have grown up in the time period between the game and their parents death.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
8th Oct 2008, 08:50
Only the coolest girl ever... To visit these forums.

Wow, thank you for the adoration there, hehe. :cool: :D

MaxxQ1
8th Oct 2008, 08:50
If I remember correctly one of the devs (of the original game. Harvey or Pacotti maybe?) said in Planet Dx forums they were talking about their foster father who too was murdered eventually. It still sounds pretty stupid, but on the other hand there is a email in the game where it says that Dentons parents should be killed and little JC should be sent to Switzerland which supports the bible instead. I just like to think that fist dialogue was just not completly thought through (yeah I know that me liking to do something doesn't make it canon).

"From: BPage//UpNet.658.9044
To: WSimons//UpNet.039.4980
Subject: Secondary Unit

I've come to believe that <PLAYERFIRSTNAME> should be brought up in a
more supervised environment than his brother; I have serious doubts as to his
brother's usefulness as our primary unit, and would rather that at least one
of the secondary units was under our direct control.

Terminate the parents, but see that <PLAYERFIRSTNAME> is not harmed.
We'll move him to our school in Switzerland where we can oversee his
development. If it becomes necessary, his brother is expendable.

Page"

And Sam Carter also says that JC had to grow up without parents. I don't think Paul has had nanoaugmentations for so long that JC could be considered to have grown up in the time period between the game and their parents death.

Point.

Dead-Eye
8th Oct 2008, 09:05
They could have screwed up that dialog but it's one of the best dialogs in the game.

Personally I like the idea that the Denton parents where killed the night Paul graduated from the academy on the car ride home. Maybe they were going to tell Paul everything it also makes seance because that way the could say that Paul was unable to take care of JC who is 11 years younger because he was on contract for the next 10 or so year to UNATCO. Then again the bible is fairly good it just completely destroyed one of the best dialogs in the game.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
8th Oct 2008, 09:54
Any ideas about what other kinds of augmentations will be at Adam's disposal (apart from the few mentioned in mag editorial)?

Looking at the mag scan, seems like their could be a general "trigger mechanism" located on lower arm section. Could be used for shooting knifes, darts, bullets etc.

And the hand augmentation looks surreal.
Stretched fully out, maybe you could envelop someone's head/skull and literally crush it. :eek:
Awesome! :cool:

Seems like you can detach the hand from the socket and add something else to your wrist too (weapon attachment?)... awesome again!


http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc159/eternaltreasure/arms-1.jpg

Red
8th Oct 2008, 10:28
Heh, to think about it, Adam actually reminds me of Naruto's Asuma Sarutobi! :D

He is a chainsmoker... Add a pair of sunglasses, modern clothing and you get Adam Jensen! :P

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Asuma_Sarutobi

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/0/00/Asuma.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff187/Vixenhunter/asuma.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj193/otakucenter_com/naruto/asuma_sarutobi/asuma-snow.jpg

Lady_Of_The_Vine
8th Oct 2008, 11:56
Sorry but I don't think this dude looks half as cool as 'our Adam'. :rasp:

His beard is too neat, his complexion looks good enough to campaign in a cosmetic ad, and that cheesy, cute puppy-dog boy face and eyes...well, no comment. :p
Oh, and he also uses too much hair gel. :rolleyes:

Even when he's trying to look 'mean' in the second pic, he looks more like might be having trouble on the toilet there... :o

The only similarity is the cigarette itself.

Thanks for sharing though... it was fun to rant on it analyse it, hehe. :D

pauldenton
8th Oct 2008, 12:09
Not sure about a beard, beards are seriously uncool.
unkempt, unshaved = cool
full blown beard = pseudo communists and tramps - sad!

jordan_a
8th Oct 2008, 14:14
I would have liked to play a charismatic, brave and sensitive woman in a dark cyberpunk. ;) It's not because I am a female or in desperate need of one, which I assure you is not the case (:D ), but it would have been different and interesting.

EM probably wanted to play it safe for their first game.

AJ's okay, but I like what was done with GTA IV: a non-playboy character which allows a bond between the player and the hero based on something deeper than aesthetics.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
8th Oct 2008, 17:34
I would have liked to play a charismatic, brave and sensitive woman in a dark cyberpunk. ;)

Awesomeness.... :thumbsup: :D

imported_van_HellSing
8th Oct 2008, 17:43
I wonder just what kind of security guard Adam is. One of my favourite books is a (post)cyberpunk novel where security is a major part of everyday life, most people who are well off enough have contracts with security companies, and the best juridicators (as the guards are called in the novel) are usually recruited from former Shades - augmented black ops commando's.

ThatDeadDude
8th Oct 2008, 17:58
Juridicator... that's an interesting word.

I like this new 'AJ' fellow. I know most people think security guards are lame, but I've known a couple walking the line between being guards and mercenaries, and they can be pretty scary. In fact, they probably relate pretty well to Adam considering that he's probably more along the lines of 'Head of Security' given that he's creating plans.

The way the augs look is pretty cool as well - I like the thing on the forehead which I assume is for maintenance of any eyesight augs or something. In terms of other augs, I'm expecting a Skul-gun (that was what Gunther called it, right?), and the ability to detach limbs make use of their selfdestruct system in order to obtain an impromptu grenade :D

In terms of relation to other characters, I don't actually foresee there being too much. You might have a fleeting contact with DeBeers, Everett, and Page, but I think the conspiracy is based in other directions. Maybe the game's events are what precipitate the economic collapse prior to the first game...

imported_van_HellSing
8th Oct 2008, 19:06
Oooh kay, so I just checked up on the surname Jensen, and as I thought, it's a patronymic, meaning "son of Jens" Basically, the same as the english "Johnson". The name is Danish and Norwegian, and actually the most common surname in Denmark

Danish... here's a completely loony thought: What if it's a reference to Hamlet? "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" - Great quote to start a conspiracy plot with ;). Also, this wouldn't be the first Hamlet reference in the series - Ophelia, anyone?

minus0ne
8th Oct 2008, 19:19
Security guards are cool in my experience - on my way back from my birthday party me and some friends got lost in some industrial zone on the outskirts of Amsterdam, where we got flagged by a guard to stop and turn around, but when we mentioned we were coming back from celebrating my birthday the guy invited us to smoke a fat one with him and have a cup of coffee, so we did and we blasted Mos Def from his laptop for almost an hour until he had to go and make his rounds :D

Big Orange
8th Oct 2008, 20:51
Juridicator... that's an interesting word.

I like this new 'AJ' fellow. I know most people think security guards are lame, but I've known a couple walking the line between being guards and mercenaries, and they can be pretty scary. In fact, they probably relate pretty well to Adam considering that he's probably more along the lines of 'Head of Security' given that he's creating plans.

I'd say he is more of a mercenary as well and he is a security guard along the lines of body guards protecting VIPs or security guards working at a Las Vegas casino (with some of them even being ex-Special Forces, as well as ex-police).

jc_lemon_lime
8th Oct 2008, 21:48
I think he is great for a Deus Ex protagonist. I don't think he is what any of us expected him to be. (Seems there will be no female player character this time around). I like how they have continued with the naming scheme. DX1 was filled with biblical references: JC (Jesus Christ), Paul, Joseph, etc.

that's too bad about there being no female player character. i liked alex denton much better as a lady; and having an 'eve' would ad another layer of replayabiilty.

~Psychotic~
8th Oct 2008, 22:36
that's too bad about there being no female player character. i liked alex denton much better as a lady; and having an 'eve' would ad another layer of replayabiilty.

Even though I would never play a female character personally, I totally agree with you. I may not choose a female player, but it's nice to know the options there if I ever wanted to.

The Killjoy
8th Oct 2008, 23:57
I am wondering how adam will upgrade and install new augs...

It would be seriously cool to see him visiting a shady back ally chop shop with rusty rotary saws, having his arm amputated and replaced with a mech one.

The problems with introducing a different gender option is that you can't tailor a story specifically to that character. I think its always better in story driven games to have one defined character with a really rich back-story

Jets Connor
9th Oct 2008, 03:45
Oooh kay, so I just checked up on the surname Jensen, and as I thought, it's a patronymic, meaning "son of Jens" Basically, the same as the english "Johnson".

Hello all. First time poster here, been following the forum for a little while. Sorry if the connection's been made already, but I thought this would be a good opportunity to mention the name "Ava Johnson". People here have been searching for Eve, and I've always thought she seemed a particularly human AI. Eva Jensen?

DXeXodus
9th Oct 2008, 04:09
The only problem with that is the time difference between Deus Ex 1 and Deus Ex 2. Unless the name is used simply as a reference.

Mecranth
9th Oct 2008, 04:28
It would be seriously cool to see him visiting a shady back ally chop shop with rusty rotary saws, having his arm amputated and replaced with a mech one.


Indeed, that would provide quite a spectacular amount of immersion, but I doubt it will be like that. The possibility exists, however.

Jets Connor
9th Oct 2008, 05:27
Yes, and of course shady back-alley dealers are notoriously bad about sterilizing their rotary saws. You could get tetanus.

Actually, that's an interesting thought. What sort of immune supression would be required to prevent the body rejecting mech augs? Perhaps they're coated with something that encourages the body to integrate with it. Oh, I do hope there is a great deal of technobabble in the game! I so enjoyed reading about how the nanites in the original were a sort of processor wrapped in a viral capsid protein sheath and used the cell's ribosomes to replicate!

Mecranth
9th Oct 2008, 05:43
Agreed. A good deal of lore will go a long way into making this game's atmosphere live up to the first game. Part of why I hold the Deus Ex games in high regard is the sheer amount of detail present in them, reading datacubes and books explaining many of the games' technologies and political situations, among other things.

ThatDeadDude
9th Oct 2008, 11:33
Actually, that's an interesting thought. What sort of immune supression would be required to prevent the body rejecting mech augs? Perhaps they're coated with something that encourages the body to integrate with it.

Not sure it would be a good idea to have too much immunosuppression involved - you mention tetanus, but who knows how many other diseases you're open to getting in the sort of work that might entice you towards getting augmentations. I reckon maybe that they'd use basic nanotech - stuff that's not advanced enough to be augmentations in and of itself, but just something along the lines of carefully engineered substances that trick the body into not rejecting the foreign material.

And yeah, I hope there is a lot of tech background. One reason I really enjoyed playing Mass Effect recently was being able to read all the fictional science at play in everything from their weapons to their ships.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
9th Oct 2008, 22:39
Everyone, check out the numericals/letters on Adam's forehead socket:

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc159/eternaltreasure/socket-1.jpg

Thanks to MrP for the close-up image. :thumbsup:



S: AJ8

MrP suggested to me earlier that the "AJ" could denote Adam Jensen's initials.
Sounds very feasible, yes.

No idea about the 8 though... anyone else? :)

How about that letter "S" ?

Perhaps it is for "Sverdlovsk" or "Siberia" ... fits in nicely with the idea of perhaps a Russian connection... as we were discussing earlier in the "which characters will return" thread.
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=80865&page=2

Russia = Omar = Forehead socket to give access to frontal lobe.

Ooooh... that leaves me excited, even if I am relying on only imagination. :o

MaxxQ1
9th Oct 2008, 22:47
"S" could be for "security", since that's his job, and the "8" could be just denoting which member of the security team he is - Security: Adam Jensen 8 (of 10 or whatever).

The "8" could also denote his clearance level.

Just throwin' some guesses into the wind...

Lady_Of_The_Vine
9th Oct 2008, 22:51
Excellent... speculation is fun! :D :cool:
Thank you, the "Security" suggestion makes sense. :thumbsup:

imported_van_HellSing
9th Oct 2008, 22:53
You can now clearly see Adam has wrinkles around his eyes and some grey hair. Obviously he has some experience. Nice change from always being the rookie.

MaxxQ1
10th Oct 2008, 01:31
Excellent... speculation is fun! :D :cool:
Thank you, the "Security" suggestion makes sense. :thumbsup:

Well...I may have security a bit on my mind, since I AM a security guard...unarmed, though.

jordan_a
10th Oct 2008, 01:43
Great posts here.

New! Adam Jansen (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=80851) of course.

Romeo
10th Oct 2008, 01:50
Special/Secret: Agent Jenson, series 8. He is also supposed to be working in a nano-tech lab, and augmentations are present, so it could work... I think Maxx hit the nail on the head though, Security: Adam Jenson, #8/Clearence-Level 8.

runandgun251
10th Oct 2008, 04:57
The S could also stand for Subject

Lady_Of_The_Vine
10th Oct 2008, 06:35
^
Yup, that would make sense. :thumbsup:

The S could relate to a company name we have not yet heard of...

I want Rene to give us some more hints. :D

DXeXodus
10th Oct 2008, 06:40
Poor old Rene. I wouldn't be surprised if we drive him to drink. :)

Lady_Of_The_Vine
10th Oct 2008, 06:42
Poor old Rene. I wouldn't be surprised if we drive him to drink. :)

Yeah, hehe.... :o

CarloGervasi
10th Oct 2008, 06:56
What are your general opinions on our protagonist, Adam Jensen?
Sorta split. He has a cool look, but I hope they write/voice him as a real human being, and not a cartoon character. I don't want him turning into a Duke Nukem type of character where they try so hard to make him into a "badass" that it just turns into a comedy.


How do you feel about his current look/image?
Like it. I'll have to see the full body to tell if I like it better than JC, but it's a possibility. So long as he isn't wearing another purple ranger outfit like the last guy.



Are you happy with his occupation as far as beginning the game is concerned?
What about his obvious smoking habit, hehe!
Yeah. I don't think he's a "security guard" so much as he's "private security for a really important lab". As I said in another thread, less Chuck the local rent-a-cop, more Blackwater mercenary guy.



Do you have any theories as to whether or not Jensen is somehow related to anyone (or anything) that appeared in the previous games?
If so, please share.
I don't think he is, and I hope he's not. The Denton's already have a fully realized, self-contained origin story, they don't need Jensen linking up with them. I'd rather they just keep Jensen as "another guy". The world of Deus Ex starts to feel really, really small when everybody is related and the same group of about 20 people is responsible for the past 40 years of human history in the Deus Ex story.



Finally, we know about how the story/game will begin.
Do you have any general views on the scenario we have been given?
Any ideas on just who these "black op commandos" work for? Is 'black' an obvious clue...?
The story will, I think, probably center around a split between MJ12 and the Illimunati. Having the guys raid the lab to steal whatever they're stealing (or killing whoever they're killing, if that's the goal) is probably one of Bob Page's first acts when he goes off the reservation and starts conspiring for himself. The lab you're initially employed by might have been engaged in some research regarding future human augmentation, ie nano-augmentation. Canonically, it was developed by Page and Everett, but you could work something like that in without breaking canon. The lab achieved a breakthrough that Page needed, something along those lines.



We know that they have slaughtered the staff at the biomech aug lab Jensen works at. "Mass slaughter" sounds like the entire HQ building, not just the lab!... perhaps.
Any ideas why or what this private security company may have in their possession that is so important to the faction who sent in the commandos?
Could it be that they are looking for something that ultimately threatens them; or maybe something that will promise them greater control and power?
As I said before, probably research into a more advanced augmentation technology, which eventually becomes the tech behind Paul/JC and the Gray Death. They might also have been conducting research into AI, human-AI integration, etc, stuff that would also be of interest to a young Bob Page, or whoever the MJ12/Illuminati villain is.

ThatDeadDude
10th Oct 2008, 08:55
How about that letter "S" ?

I'm most inclined to believe that S is for serial number. I mean, it's an aug rather than anything else, so I doubt they'd be printing his security clearance on his face.

So S: AJ8 = Serial Number: Adam Jensen 8 (Having the name in there's fine seeing as each person's augs would probably have to be fairly custom, at least on the end of the market that involves them being in your head)

Nathan2000
10th Oct 2008, 10:09
The S could relate to a company name we have not yet heard of...

The company's name is Sarif - it was in the article in PC Zone. So it makes even more sense.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
10th Oct 2008, 11:40
Aha!
Thank you, I missed that name. :thumbsup:

So, would this imply that Adam received the forehead socket 'after' he grew up and joined as an employee of the company? :scratch:

MrP
10th Oct 2008, 11:49
The company's name is Sarif - it was in the article in PC Zone. So it makes even more sense.
Bingo. Give this man a cookie, I think he's got it. :thumbsup:

Aha!
Thank you, I missed that name. :thumbsup:

So, would this imply that Adam received the forehead socket 'after' he grew up and joined as an employee of the company? :scratch:

Heh. Told you you should have read the article instead of just looking at the pictures. :rasp:

I'm thinking that if it's a socket cover, there's a chance it's replaceable. That'd be a more plausible explanation to my mind but what you surmise also stands to reason.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
10th Oct 2008, 11:59
Heh. Told you you should have read the article instead of just looking at the pictures. :rasp:

I wanted to, but you were hogging the magazine! :mad:
Besides, the sunshine through the window was washing out a lot of the text... AND, I didn't have my reading glasses handy. :p


I'm thinking that if it's a socket cover....

If its a socket cover?
What else do you think it might be? :confused:

:D

MrP
10th Oct 2008, 12:15
If its a socket cover?
What else do you think it might be? :confused:

Note the comma? I tend to punctuate my sentences so that they end with a full stop. Increase your attention span a bit further please. :p

What I was implying was that it may be indicative of either his class, as propounded or perhaps the particular installed augmentation itself.

imported_van_HellSing
10th Oct 2008, 12:30
Sarif is quite definitely a form of Sharif.

Sharīf (Arabic: شريف) is a traditional Arab tribal title given to those who serve as the protector of the tribe and all tribal assets, such as property, wells, and land.
- wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif)

Makes a lot of sense for a security company.



Also, psst MrsP, Sharif as in Omar Sharif? ;)

Lady_Of_The_Vine
10th Oct 2008, 15:11
Note the comma? I tend to punctuate my sentences so that they end with a full stop. Increase your attention span a bit further please. :p


Note the big cheesy grin at the end of my sentence? Increase your attention span a bit further please.

Cheesy grin = "I'M KIDDING....." ;) :p



Sarif is quite definitely a form of Sharif.

Sharīf (Arabic: شريف) is a traditional Arab tribal title given to those who serve as the protector of the tribe and all tribal assets, such as property, wells, and land.
- wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif)

Makes a lot of sense for a security company.



Also, psst MrsP, Sharif as in Omar Sharif? ;)

That's interesting, something else to think about. :thumbsup:

Hehe... Omar Sharif, yeah... he was good in Dr Zhivago and The Pink Panther SG. :cool:
But I don't think he is related to the Omars though....
but then again.... * thinks about it and checks if there IS any possibility *
Umm, no.

LMAO :p

jc_lemon_lime
11th Oct 2008, 03:08
I think he is great for a Deus Ex protagonist. I don't think he is what any of us expected him to be. (Seems there will be no female player character this time around). I like how they have continued with the naming scheme. DX1 was filled with biblical references: JC (Jesus Christ), Paul, Joseph, etc.



I think it is gritty and represents the world perfectly. No more neat-look academy student for us.



Yes. I am just interested to see how the game makes the transition between Private security guard and mechanically augged super power.



Just adds to the image. His whole image is just alot ore cyberpunk than i expected. Which is definitely a good thing.



I don't believe he is physically related to anyone in DX1, but i obviously believe there will be some strong connections in some way or another.

Overall, I really like the move made by the guys at Montreal and am looking forward to great, refreshing Deus Ex game.

you know there's a passage in the bible (i don't recall which book,) where jesus is refered to as 'the second adam' (as in a fresh start for humanity). since it's fairly well know that 'jc' in jc denton stands for 'jesus christ', are the devs implying that DX3 will be a fresh start for the series, or is it something more?

Nathan2000
11th Oct 2008, 07:11
Sarif is quite definitely a form of Sharif.

Sharīf (Arabic: شريف) is a traditional Arab tribal title given to those who serve as the protector of the tribe and all tribal assets, such as property, wells, and land.
- wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharif)

Makes a lot of sense for a security company.

Only Sarif is a biotech company. It develops and produces augmentations.

If it's really a form of that Arabic word, it probably relates to Jensen alone, not to the company.

Lo Bruto
11th Oct 2008, 19:28
I'm wondering if there will be an albino Adam.

Igoe
12th Oct 2008, 06:46
If it turns out that AJ has to wear sunglasses because the HUD is projected on them, EM will get 38,000 cool points, because according to the DX bible one of the major technical problems with Paul was getting the nanites to read the impulses in his brain and convert it to viewable material.

If EM all ready took this into account and theres a REASON behind his sunglasses, I will be flat out astounded. Case Closed.

imported_van_HellSing
12th Oct 2008, 13:20
So... his vision isn't augmented? :eek:

Overtime
12th Oct 2008, 13:48
So... his vision isn't augmented? :eek:

Well, he was badly injured in the attack. If we're lucky, he'll have lost an eye and they can put a mechanical one in its place....

Jets Connor
12th Oct 2008, 23:32
If we're lucky, he'll have lost an eye


You monster.

3nails4you
13th Oct 2008, 00:34
So... his vision isn't augmented? :eek:

Maybe his vision is augmented in such a way that only HE can read what's on the sunglasses, or he can use his sunglasses and eyes as two lenses for a telescope:eek:

Dead-Eye
13th Oct 2008, 01:56
They could have just put microscopic projectors that would display the HUD on his eye. Deus Ex Bible failed at thinking like an engineer on this one... although the science has always been fairly good.

Igoe
13th Oct 2008, 03:04
Well, I mean the reality of it is that in order for the machines in JC to convert and relay all the info they got back to him and to his superiors the nanites had to have IMMENSE power and connectivity to JC.

Think about it. The nanites have to intercept the information on its way to his brain, decode it, store it digitally, and then be able to retransmit it back to his brain at a later time. It would require being connected to literally every nerve thats even remotely tied to auditory and visual stimuli. They had to clone Paul several times to find the "sweet spot" in his brain to tap into the impulses. He was the FIRST to have an infolink and JC was the second.

Remember when you talk to Alex he's still getting used to the infolink and even unfamiliar with all that it can do. (I bet I could jack you into an online jukebox)

This can be duplicated mechanically very easily though, by attaching a camera, earpiece, and mic to AJs specs. You can get a live feed on what he sees and hears, as well as being able to broadcast commands to him. It's not intrusive, non surgical, and you can even use the specs themselves as a pallet for projecting HUD type items and mission critical data.

All I'm saying is you cant glance over all the hard work the Illuminati did to give Paul his info link with magic. It was the culmination of MANY years of hard work and scientific breakthroughs. I'd at the very least like a logical explanation as to how 20 years before Paul got his infolink, AJ has his, and I think the sunglasses could be it.

DXeXodus
13th Oct 2008, 04:05
you know there's a passage in the bible (i don't recall which book,) where Jesus is referred to as 'the second Adam' (as in a fresh start for humanity). since it's fairly well know that 'JC' in JC Denton stands for 'Jesus Christ', are the devs implying that DX3 will be a fresh start for the series, or is it something more?

I was thinking about that myself. I'm not sure which book it is, but Jesus is definitely referred to as the second Adam. Which makes sense in terms of this game and the "prequel" "sequel" relationship.

jc_lemon_lime
17th Oct 2008, 02:55
I am wondering how adam will upgrade and install new augs...

It would be seriously cool to see him visiting a shady back ally chop shop with rusty rotary saws, having his arm amputated and replaced with a mech one.

The problems with introducing a different gender option is that you can't tailor a story specifically to that character. I think its always better in story driven games to have one defined character with a really rich back-story

i think he'll probably come into contact with someone like tracer tong: a person who has acess to a great deal of technology, but operates outside the law.

Frog
18th Oct 2008, 15:33
Any ideas about what other kinds of augmentations will be at Adam's disposal (apart from the few mentioned in mag editorial)?

Looking at the mag scan, seems like their could be a general "trigger mechanism" located on lower arm section. Could be used for shooting knifes, darts, bullets etc.

And the hand augmentation looks surreal.
Stretched fully out, maybe you could envelop someone's head/skull and literally crush it. :eek:
Awesome! :cool:

Seems like you can detach the hand from the socket and add something else to your wrist too (weapon attachment?)... awesome again!


http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc159/eternaltreasure/arms-1.jpg

I love the look of AJ! But I did not like the look of these augs until I saw this pic in another thread reminding me of Batou(Ghost in the Shell's) augs in Innocence. Now am really excited. Then I realized that lots of the exterior shots also look like Ghost in the Shell and that is a good thing!

I originally saw scans of the Commando and thought, "surely this is not the main character? This is horrible." I am glad he is just a boss.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/f0xh0und/armaug.png

gamer0004
19th Oct 2008, 08:24
Yikes that is so ugly...

MrP
19th Oct 2008, 14:23
Well, he was badly injured in the attack. If we're lucky, he'll have lost an eye and they can put a mechanical one in its place....

They did that already with Garrett in Thief. It's plausible enough.

Tstorm
19th Oct 2008, 18:49
Why does he have a dent in his head? Won't that be slightly suspicious? Thats like having an mj12 commando running around in armor in a school. :mad2: . Maybe he looks too cool but idk. I would consider throwing in a trench coat, monotone voice, and filling in the dent in his head with some concrete.

imported_van_HellSing
19th Oct 2008, 18:59
Well, that's the point about mech augs: they're visible. And some people don't like them.


Oh, by the way:

Why does he have a dent in his head?

Why does he have a dent on his head?

Why does he have a dent on

dent on

Denton! :eek:


;)

DXeXodus
20th Oct 2008, 04:16
^^ Oh noes! You figured it out. You will now have to be silenced. :cool:

Deus_Ex_Machina
20th Oct 2008, 05:29
So far, I'm content with the main character design and background.

But I think I'll wait for more info before I make any real judgment.

Jerion
20th Oct 2008, 07:42
^^ Oh noes! You figured it out. You will now have to be silenced. :cool:

*sigh* another one figured it out, eh?

I'll get the sniper rifle...

DXeXodus
20th Oct 2008, 07:54
Wait for the ballistic protection to wear off first...

Jerion
20th Oct 2008, 08:02
Wait for the ballistic protection to wear off first...

Right. I'll give it five minutes. In the meantime I think I'll upgrade my rifle skill to master and go for some target practice. ;)

phlebas
22nd Oct 2008, 12:53
So, no female lead this time? It's a shame, really. I liked the female lead in the DX:IW (though it was only skin/voice difference)

As for the story, I'm looking forward to seeing Everett/Page before the event of DX1... I used to think the DX3 would have to be a sequel, but now that I think about it the 2027 timeline is a goldmine for untold stories. I just hope they flesh out the mechanical augmentation within the game. Mechanical augmentation is harder to implement than (theoretical) nano/chem/bio augmentation due to rejection/interface/durability issues. I guess the game world will have a tint of GitS world view?

cyasuey
22nd Oct 2008, 17:21
Given the juxtaposition of the events in DX3, the childhood of Paul and the conception of JC, it will be immensely exciting to see if and how those events will interrelate in the story of DX3. Depending on the proximity of Adam Jensen and the Dentons, Adam could be the brother of the Dentons’ mother. If this would be too close a relation for the setting, perhaps you as Adam would somehow interact with the Dentons during the game. Here is a conceptual twist:

Adam Jensen is an old friend of mother Denton. During the game, you might choose to join the black ops and the acolytes of Bob Page’s dawning conspiracy. The consequence of this path will eventually be an assignment to assassinate Paul and JC’s parents.

What do you think? Should DX3 be as closely connected to DX1 as in the above example?

imported_van_HellSing
22nd Oct 2008, 18:18
Unless they lied to you (which isn't that implausible btw) the guy that killed Ma and Pa Denton was one of the MiBs and you get to meet him in DX.

jc_lemon_lime
23rd Oct 2008, 04:52
Unless they lied to you (which isn't that implausible btw) the guy that killed Ma and Pa Denton was one of the MiBs and you get to meet him in DX.

you never know, maybe adam is the one who killed ma and pa.

Jerion
23rd Oct 2008, 05:33
you never know, maybe adam is the one who killed ma and pa.

:eek:

I can't image Adam doing these terrible things! Well, I guess that if Ma and Pa were really agents for a younger Bob Page it could make sense. :o But then again...what if he IS pa? that could get a little awkward if he accidentally kills ma because she won't give him the code to a certain area because he killed some fool instead of letting go of one candy bar...:p

Tstorm
23rd Oct 2008, 20:13
Aren't JC's and Pauls parents like non existent? Weren't they brewed up in a lab to be killer machines instead of having actual parents. Maybe that blue flashing guy in dx1 lied to us all because he knew this conversation would take place... Didnt he mention that he was some sort of wierd organism or something? Man made? Or I should get my facts straight and stay in my asylum... maybe not.. :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :mad2:

imported_van_HellSing
23rd Oct 2008, 20:36
IIRC, Paul is a naturally produced (;)) human, while JC is a clone of Paul.

3nails4you
23rd Oct 2008, 20:40
IIRC, Paul is a naturally produced (;)) human, while JC is a clone of Paul.

But OUR Paul could just be a clone of the original, meaning he may or may not be the age we think...

sushi159
26th Oct 2008, 18:01
I think he reminds me of JC Denton, even the name kind of rhymes. I find that augmented part of his forehead a counterpart to JC's bioelectrics.

spm1138
26th Oct 2008, 18:33
I like the look of your d00d. He looks like Dirty Harry meets Robocop.

They say make him sound more like a PMC spook than a guy who chases kids out of the carpark and whines at people for not displaying their security pass properly... although that would make for an awesome game too.

Smoking makes you look cool (http://www.villagegallery.com/lil025/toro_clinteastwoodblack.jpg).

It'd be too fanfic if he was JC's daddy or whatever.

"Black ops" just means a deniable piece of work by someone's dirty tricks squad. Like Mission Impossible. "If you are caught you will be disavowed..."

Competitors? They discovered something they shouldn't have? Terrorists? Religious nuts? It sounds like working this out will be a big part of the fun. Sounds like "The Star Fraction" a bit.

It sounds like they're setting you up as the fall guy.

Tstorm
27th Oct 2008, 23:25
Thank you for clarifying , I can sleep with ease.:D

DXeXodus
28th Oct 2008, 05:29
Apparently (according to Wikipedia :rolleyes: ) Montreal Actor, Elias Toufexis, is going to do the voice acting for Adam Jensen. For those who are interested and haven't seen this yet, here is his bio:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elias_Toufexis

Looks like he has done quite a few game voice overs already:

- Tom Clancy's Endwar
- Assassins Creed 2
- Rainbow Six: Vegas 2
- NFS: Carbon (We won't speak about that one)

Interesting.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
28th Oct 2008, 10:58
^
Yeah, interesting.
Just a shame we don't know how reliable that snippet of information is... :(

imported_van_HellSing
28th Oct 2008, 11:18
Wait a moment, I can't see any reference to DX3 or Adam in that wiki article, and it hasn't been edited since the 25th, so it doesn't look like anyone's removed the info since DXeXodus read it... :scratch:

EDIT: Ah, I see now, the info is in the Deus Ex 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex_3) article, not the Elias Toufexis one.

DXeXodus
28th Oct 2008, 11:21
The reference is in the main Deus Ex 3 page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex_3


Setting

The year 2027, 25 years before Deus Ex, which was set in 2052. Nanotechnological augmentations have yet to be developed and biomechanical augmentations are the current state of the art. The main character, Adam Jensen, is a private security officer with a company that specializes in these augmentations. He witnesses a chilling attack on his company, and "the conspiracy begins."[8] There are hints that the first starting zone will be Shanghai,[8] and Detroit may be a featured locale.

According to various sources, actor Elias Toufexis is playing the lead character (voice)

imported_van_HellSing
28th Oct 2008, 11:35
Bull**** sense is tingling. Neither of the magazine articles so far mentions any voice actors, and a combined google search for "Elias Toufexis" and "Deus Ex 3" only brings up the wikipedia article. Added a citation request to the wiki, we'll see how that fares.

DXeXodus
28th Oct 2008, 12:01
It may be a load of poo poo, you are right. I don't know. It is not completely unrealistic though seeing as he has voice acted in games before and he lives in Montreal.

AJ is going to sound Canadian then?..... eh?

GmanPro
29th Oct 2008, 04:34
I think that AJ looks awesome. When I first saw him though, I didn't think security guard. I was going for more of like a scientist type of dude, like a pioneer in the augmentation field. But security guard is good too.

3nails4you
29th Oct 2008, 12:36
Smoking makes you look cool (http://www.villagegallery.com/lil025/toro_clinteastwoodblack.jpg).


Oh yes, smoking is so awesome!

http://www.snakemannn.com/0nosmoke/11257767.JPG

http://www.dianemunday.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/SkinEffectsOfSmoking.jpg

http://www.popsci.com/files/imagecache/article_image_large/files/articles/2068728230_acf4327226.jpg

spm1138
29th Oct 2008, 13:17
Pffhhh. IT'S THE FUTURE. You obviously have cyber lungs and cancer vaccine.

And a Clint Eastwood (http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/71/039_10788~Clint-Eastwood.jpg) fixation.

JakePeriphery
29th Oct 2008, 23:32
Is it pronounced YENsen or JENsen?

GmanPro
30th Oct 2008, 00:43
Either way you pronounce it... smoking still makes you look cool. :cool:

lol

René
30th Oct 2008, 01:00
Is it pronounced YENsen or JENsen?

JENsen

JakePeriphery
30th Oct 2008, 05:59
JENsen

Ah thanks, you know us Americans.. and our English and stuff :)

Lady_Of_The_Vine
30th Oct 2008, 09:12
I've noticed in the "Important Threads" list that Adam's surname is typed "JANSEN".... :whistle:

René
30th Oct 2008, 13:12
^^
Where is that written? If so, it's a typo. It's Jensen.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
30th Oct 2008, 15:39
It's listed in th important thread thread :D

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=75249

mouse
30th Oct 2008, 20:01
Is it pronounced YENsen or JENsen?


JENsen

I would have guessed it's 'Yensen'. Jensen = Dshanson like in english?

René
30th Oct 2008, 21:09
Fixed! Thanks for pointing that out.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
30th Oct 2008, 23:55
No problems. :)

jjmikhail
6th Nov 2008, 17:48
Not that I think it bears a lot of relevance but the initials of AJ are also seen in an acronym referring to "Apostles of Jesus".

I'm probably going no where with this but just a thought.

Yargo
6th Nov 2008, 17:51
I'm sure the developers has a reason for naming the protagonist Adam Jensen, but I don't think we'll know until we have a clear idea of the story or they come right out and tell us. :)

GmanPro
6th Nov 2008, 17:52
That sounds relevant actually cause DX1 was full of that sort of stuff.

JC - jesus
Paul - one of the apostles

and I'm sure there are more cause I remember reading something about this before...
yay for me and my 100th post!:D

Yargo
6th Nov 2008, 17:56
That sounds relevant actually cause DX1 was full of that sort of stuff.

JC - jesus
Paul - one of the apostles

and I'm sure there are more cause I remember reading something about this before...
yay for me and my 100th post!:D

Did the developers ever confirm this or is it still fan speculation?

jjmikhail
6th Nov 2008, 17:57
The only reason I brought it up was that this Adam Jensen may have a link to JC and I'm pretty sure we will find that out to be the truth once we play the game.

Tecman
6th Nov 2008, 19:19
Did the developers ever confirm this or is it still fan speculation?

It was planned for (JC would have been a descendant of Christ), but then dropped.

GmanPro
6th Nov 2008, 19:22
Better this way I think. Though I do like the subtle hints and allusions that go into conspiracy games like DX. Very fun, especially for replayability.

Unstoppable
11th Nov 2008, 15:24
What are your general opinions on our protagonist, Adam Jensen?

He looks cool but I got a silly idea. At the start of the game let us customize if he is a smoker or non smoker. ALso will there be a female Adam Jensen? Anyway if you pick smoker you don't have to rely on food as much as a non smoker. Just a silly idea I had hehe!

How do you feel about his current look/image?
Looks cool but I wish I could relate to him more besides the shades hehe! Actually I kinda have hair like him now that I think about it. The cigarette is a turn off however!

Are you happy with his occupation as far as beginning the game is concerned?
What about his obvious smoking habit, hehe!
I condemn smoking so I hope you make this optional please! I do some security myself so I am pretty happy! It's realistic that he doesn't have a high paying type job or maybe he does!

Do you have any theories as to whether or not Jensen is somehow related to anyone (or anything) that appeared in the previous games?
If so, please share.
He might be related to JC's Father or a friend of his. He looks a little bit like Paul or JC but don't know for sure!

Finally, we know about how the story/game will begin.
Do you have any general views on the scenario we have been given?
Any ideas on just who these "black op commandos" work for? Is 'black' an obvious clue...?
Maybe MJ 12. However Black Ops themselves are super secret and only a handful of people know who they are and the people that know usually are the ones that train/hire them!


We know that they have slaughtered the staff at the biomech aug lab Jensen works at. "Mass slaughter" sounds like the entire HQ building, not just the lab!... perhaps.
Any ideas why or what this private security company may have in their possession that is so important to the faction who sent in the commandos?
Could it be that they are looking for something that ultimately threatens them; or maybe something that will promise them greater control and power?
Wow that sucks. For them to enter like that I hope there will be consequences for them killing so many innocent people. Maybe this can be part of the game that you can show the public what they did etc shut them down. Then again we don't even know who they are so it's very hard to prove! They definitely are looking for something very powerful for them to enter in such a front door way.

Maybe it isn't the lab contents they are after... but all the lives of those who are working there? Maybe they knew something... or knew too much.
Perhaps only one person knew something but the command was to 'kill all and leave no witnesses'?
Eh maybe but that would be stupid. See the easiest way is to eliminate someone stealthy. Why would they take out everyone else unless they were infected or something. It makes no sense!

Anyway looking forward to the game! Will you guys be at E3 by any chance? Thanks for the previews.

imported_van_HellSing
11th Nov 2008, 17:28
Did the developers ever confirm this or is it still fan speculation?

Well, considering in IW Paul named his academy Tarsus, I'd say it was indeed intentional.

Spyhopping
11th Nov 2008, 19:43
I condemn smoking so I hope you make this optional please

I'm a non smoker and I think its a bit of a dirty habit, but there is no better prop than a cigarette. Even give Alex D a smoke and he would actually look slightly cooler


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6201/dxiwalexbx9.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dxiwalexbx9.jpg)http://img217.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

errr on second thoughts...

spm1138
11th Nov 2008, 20:12
Maybe it isn't the lab contents they are after... but all the lives of those who are working there? Maybe they knew something... or knew too much.
Perhaps only one person knew something but the command was to 'kill all and leave no witnesses'?
Eh maybe but that would be stupid. See the easiest way is to eliminate someone stealthy. Why would they take out everyone else unless they were infected or something. It makes no sense!

Depends how many people knew something and how dangerous the knowledge was considered. Is killing guy X enough if his coworker also knows about something?

You're probably right and if that were the case they probably wanted to destroy notes and assets in the lab.

Torley
15th Nov 2008, 17:59
When I first saw the picture of Adam Jensen, I thought he must be Paul's pa. :) Not an original thought but the bubble of consensus shows there may be some gravity to this. Eyes can say a lot so I'd have to see Jensen without the shades, but the overall grit-face is strongly reminiscent of JC and Paul.

I'd laugh so hard if the game had an extended, intellectual discussion about smoking (along the lines of the two rival coffee chains in IW).

DXeXodus
17th Nov 2008, 04:22
intellectual discussion about smoking (along the lines of the two rival coffee chains in IW).

I would rather use the discussion with the Australian bartender in the Lucky Money club in Deus Ex 1. That, was a great piece of writing.

GmanPro
17th Nov 2008, 04:56
Yeah, that was a good conversation.

Baldur's Gate had probably the best writing in a game, imo.

spm1138
17th Nov 2008, 05:21
I would rather use the discussion with the Australian bartender in the Lucky Money club in Deus Ex 1. That, was a great piece of writing.

That was one very well informed bar keep.

imported_van_HellSing
17th Nov 2008, 06:31
Yeah, that was a good conversation.

Baldur's Gate had probably the best writing in a game, imo.

BG was good, but Planescape: Torment has it beat.

GmanPro
17th Nov 2008, 07:12
Oooh, good one. Yeah I have to agree with you there. Tho BG is right behind it. ;)

Icarus AI
17th Nov 2008, 17:01
I seriously hope Adam Jensen doesn't have any direct connectin with the Denton's. It just sounds so fan-fic ridicilous. Not everybody needs to be connected to every single event dirrectly.

Well I would'nt mind if we met some of the clones of Paul whom MJ12 were growing as guinea pigs, but no thanks to meeting Paul or his parents, because they should be living a happy life in the suburbs or something.

Jerion
17th Nov 2008, 17:16
Even if AJ has no direct relation to the Dentons, I think that the story has to have some sort of impact on the Dentons. I mean, what if the fetus is a key test to seeing how our bodies accept the nanites, and that leads to JC and Paul's augmentations. :D

jordan_a
21st Nov 2008, 20:52
Adan Jensen's page on Facebook!

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8762/facebookadamjensenfr7.jpg

GmanPro
22nd Nov 2008, 03:17
Lolz at facebook. PhD in history...:D

Spyhopping
22nd Nov 2008, 04:24
Poor old Adam only has one fan :(

Igoe
22nd Nov 2008, 08:44
Adam looks cool enough, all I'm really hoping is that AJ has his conversation bits change based on the path you choose.

Ala, the more people you kill/cold blooded dialog options you choose, the more choices you'll have to say to NPCs later in the game, like "Well that makes me one ugly s.o.b. How'd my face get all marked up with bioelectrics" and such.

The selections you have to choose from will be based on what you played as, and not just the same options for everyone. Encourages multiple play-thrus so you can see hilarious dialogs.

GmanPro
22nd Nov 2008, 08:48
It would be interesting to see AJ change appearance throughout the course of the game based on how you've been playing. Something along the lines of fable maybe.

Yargo
22nd Nov 2008, 17:17
It would be interesting to see AJ change appearance throughout the course of the game based on how you've been playing. Something along the lines of fable maybe.

Maybe not so black and white/ good and evil, DX was good at making it hard to discern which was which.

GmanPro
22nd Nov 2008, 17:36
^^
Definitely.

Fable was supposed to be like that tho, it was so obvious. Like the temple of light vs the temple of shadows? They don't even try to hide it, but I guess that's how they wanted to make their game.

I was thinking more along the lines of changing AJ's physical appearance whenever he gets a new aug or gun. Or maybe if you take too much damage in a fight, you will receive a permanent scar.

APostLife
23rd Nov 2008, 07:30
Is there any debate ( as the game is still in early development) as to Adam Jensen being a smoker? Taking now, I think smoking will become something not part of society, especially in 2027. Personally I do not favour smokers for various reasons. I think people did not really prefer their admired person to be a smoker?! But that's my opinion.XD:)

GmanPro
23rd Nov 2008, 07:35
Maybe he's just smoking to blend in while following someone on the streets. That would be a totally awesome mission. :thumbsup:

APostLife
23rd Nov 2008, 07:43
Maybe he's just smoking to blend in while following someone on the streets. That would be a totally awesome mission. :thumbsup:

I just hope he doesn't get addicted to smoking doing that misision, just to blend in. LOL XD.

GmanPro
23rd Nov 2008, 07:50
^^:rolleyes:

Maybe its a fake ciggarette. :D

Romeo
23rd Nov 2008, 08:36
Or a Pop-Eye stick on a cold morning. Glorious, glorious sugar. Man, I'm a terrible diabetic. lol

I would like to see some different ways to treat dialogue this time, that's something I never liked from Deus Ex. Let me threaten, bribe, lie, joke, plead and whatnot. Mass Effect would be a nice example to follow. I wouldn't mind seeing the augmentations make a visual difference, as this time they're mechanical, meaning they should be easily identified. I've given up on hoping for different outfits. lol

jordan_a
23rd Nov 2008, 15:56
Can't wait to see the full character, his body I mean. It's been quite difficult so far.

AaronJ
23rd Nov 2008, 16:07
Can't wait to see the full character, his body I mean. It's been quite difficult so far.

We'll probably have to wait until next October.

jordan_a
23rd Nov 2008, 16:38
I meant it's been difficult for them to come up with the right body. :whistle:

Spyhopping
23rd Nov 2008, 17:03
When I was reading the PC zone article I thought that this image could have been of AJ, but now not so sure.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9067/dx3concept7vd2.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dx3concept7vd2.jpg)http://img149.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

I've had some free time recently, been doing some pencil sketches to visualize how he would look from the neck down. I might post them here when they are done if anyone is interested in seeing them...

DXeXodus
24th Nov 2008, 05:48
Yeah, please post them. It would be great to see :)

Jerion
24th Nov 2008, 06:07
^^ :whistle:

Igoe
24th Nov 2008, 08:44
I hope he's a smoker, if for nothing else than a change. I can't remember the last protagonist in a game I played that was a smoker aside from MGS4.

I'm not a smoker, nor do I condone it, but I'm all for characters standing out and for developers putting their foot down to create the characters THEY want.

If I have the option to have AJ smoke in DX3, I most definitely will.

Spyhopping
27th Nov 2008, 18:21
I've had some free time recently, been doing some pencil sketches to visualize how he would look from the neck down. I might post them here when they are done if anyone is interested in seeing them...

Managed to get to a scanner!
Here is the picture-

http://img222.imageshack.us/img22/10/ajpencil1bx9.png

I'm intrigued about what he will actually be wearing now.

His arms are exposed in this sketch because I figured that it would be impossible to have mechanical augmentations with clothes over the top of them. Although I'm completely at a loss as to what he would wear if needing to use those "tentacles" of his.
I tried to use the renaissance style (perhaps sparingly) with him.
Please forgive the sketchiness of it, I haven't had time to shade it properly

Jerion
27th Nov 2008, 18:28
Looks pretty cool, if a little plain vanilla. :)

Spyhopping
27th Nov 2008, 18:45
Yeah, I did think it looked a bit unadorned.
I reckon he will look quite distinctive. And I did imagine him as quite skinny for some reason.

jc_lemon_lime
28th Nov 2008, 07:41
^^:rolleyes:

Maybe its a fake ciggarette. :D

maybe he's doing a J :nut: :lol:

redfordd
30th Nov 2008, 20:20
He looks French. Very Jean-Luc Godard. I like it.

GmanPro
30th Nov 2008, 20:27
Maybe he should have his shirt slowly come off level by level a la Prince of Persia. :lol:

jc_lemon_lime
30th Nov 2008, 23:26
Maybe he should have his shirt slowly come off level by level a la Prince of Persia. :lol:

that could expand DX's female fan-base:lol:

Lady_Of_The_Vine
1st Dec 2008, 00:43
^
Yes, no doubt! :D

jc_lemon_lime
6th Dec 2008, 03:45
what is Adam's country-of origin? has it ever been mentioned?

GmanPro
6th Dec 2008, 03:48
what is Adam's country-of origin? has it ever been mentioned?

Well, apparently he's a Tiger's fan. So I'm guessing he hails from Detroit. But he could be from anywhere really...

jc_lemon_lime
7th Dec 2008, 22:40
[QUOTE=GmanPro;909091]Well, apparently he's a Tiger's fan. QUOTE]

how can you tell?

Spyhopping
7th Dec 2008, 22:47
I can't find the picture where his head isn't in the way, but you can see the tigers team logo in the picture of Adams apartment

MaxxQ1
8th Dec 2008, 00:57
Back to smoking.

What the hell is he smoking? A Virginia Slim? Aside from those, that's the thinnest cigarette I've ever seen.:scratch:

I think a Franklin Delano Roosevelt-style cigarette holder would give Adam a touch of panache - or make him look like The Penguin.:eek:

jc_lemon_lime
11th Dec 2008, 06:11
I can't find the picture where his head isn't in the way, but you can see the tigers team logo in the picture of Adams apartment

how apropos: a mech-aug cyborg from the motor city

Roger01
16th Dec 2008, 16:28
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc159/eternaltreasure/dx3mainchar-1.jpg


INTRODUCTORY RECAP

Deus Ex 3 is set in the year 2027 (before the events of DX1) and players will take on the role of Adam Jensen.

Jensen is a security officer working for a private security company, inside a tech laboratory specialising in bio-mechanical augmentations.

One day, the path of his life is unexpectedly altered as a team of black ops commandos break into his company’s headquarters and (using a security plan from Jensen’s own hand) a mass slaughter ensues.

From there on out, Jensen is caught up in a conspiracy that's going to see him scrapping for his life....



***

I thought it would be nice to offer up something different by way of discussion regarding DX3.
Just to take a break from from the all-so-serious game mechanics. :p

What better then, than to concentrate on the main character of Deus Ex 3. After all, he is the "Man of the Moment". :cool:
We're going to be wearing his clothes and experiencing his life; so we may as well snuggle in now before the real action begins.



So, let's discuss Adam Jensen and the way the story begins... any way you like. ;)
I have included some general questions below to help get started:


What are your general opinions on our protagonist, Adam Jensen?
How do you feel about his current look/image?
Are you happy with his occupation as far as beginning the game is concerned?
What about his obvious smoking habit, hehe!

Do you have any theories as to whether or not Jensen is somehow related to anyone (or anything) that appeared in the previous games?
If so, please share.

Finally, we know about how the story/game will begin.
Do you have any general views on the scenario we have been given?
Any ideas on just who these "black op commandos" work for? Is 'black' an obvious clue...? :scratch:

We know that they have slaughtered the staff at the biomech aug lab Jensen works at. "Mass slaughter" sounds like the entire HQ building, not just the lab!... perhaps.
Any ideas why or what this private security company may have in their possession that is so important to the faction who sent in the commandos?
Could it be that they are looking for something that ultimately threatens them; or maybe something that will promise them greater control and power?

Maybe it isn't the lab contents they are after... but all the lives of those who are working there? Maybe they knew something... or knew too much.
Perhaps only one person knew something but the command was to 'kill all and leave no witnesses'?

***

None of us know for sure until we play the game; but this is the perfect time to let your imagination run wild... logically or not.

Let's begin....! :)

I like the idea of adam being the dentons genetic parents, perhaps he could be the first human NOT TO REJECT the nanotec biomods / not catch the grey death, so the office was raided to catch him for more genetic data for the dentons, or had already been cloned, so the powers that be wanted to silence him, this would go with the (he's a bad guy turned good) theory, he would have to be on the run from page and co, and maybe he wants payback for his attempten assassination. Also (if the game bosses dare) Adam could fail in his quests, we know the dentons come into being. Perhaps Adam was unable to get his genetic samples back.

CentraSpike
16th Dec 2008, 20:17
My problem with Adam is this. I feel that in order for his character to work (for me to believe that he is capable of trading blows with the worlds most dangerous people) he needs to have some extra back ground story. Some people have commented that they are happy that he's just a security guard and is therefore not percieved to be very skilled. I'm of the opinion that if you're in your mid 40's and your just a grunt in some security firm its because your not very skillled or exceptional and won't stand a chance against top drawer agents. It would be different if the character was younger and then develops but the grey hairs indicate that Adam is in his mid 40's. It's all down hill form there. I think what Eidos has gone for is John Mclean style Hollywood action hero and I think Eidos are looking to Hollywood alot of the game. Again I only hope there is some back story to this character e.g ex soldier.(I know its cliche but it better than nothing)

Jerion
16th Dec 2008, 20:44
You're problem is with information that hasn't been released yet? wow.

spm1138
16th Dec 2008, 20:51
I'm getting totally different connotations from the word "security" in his job title.

I'm thinking more along the line of a Pinkerton or a Blackwater employee.

Somebody with expertise in counter-espionage, blackmail, counter-terrorism.

That he's got some grey hairs just suggests he's old enough to have relevant prior experience.

CentraSpike
17th Dec 2008, 18:49
Problem is the wrong word. I'm more worried about information that hasn't been released yet. I want Adam Jensen to be a bad ass but more importantly I want to be able to believe that he's a bad ass.

SPM1138 I hope your right about Adam Jensen's security job. Something like a blackwater type agency would be really cool and give the character an edge of moral and motivational ambiguity.

René
17th Dec 2008, 19:39
I support these last two posts! :thumb:

singularity
18th Dec 2008, 05:16
I agree with Jensen having more of an "edge." The confusion lies with the word "security," as far as I'm concerned. I used to work for a local security contractor as a bouncer for a local night club and guard at a local mental institution, and we did everything from patrolling local malls with a can of pepper spray to VIP security detail in other countries, armed with MP7s. All of this came out of the same company, and the role you played depended on your back-ground and willingness to be put in harm's way. I'm hoping Jensen is a little more military, a little less rent-a-cop.

Judging by the fact that they've made him older, I'm thinking the vibe we are supposed to be getting is that he's been around long enough to see some bad things happen in the world... At the very least, I'd expect the devs to throw in some flavor text about some dangerous (if not morraly questionable) things he's done in the past.

In response to the original post, I love the current concept for Adam. I was worried at first, but my fears were put to rest the moment I laid eyes on the concept art. Everything from his hair, to the glasses, to him being a smoker. I feel like our hero is in good hands.

The background info sounds pretty solid... not too cliche, but interesting enough. I'll save most of my other generalizations until I know more.
Keep up the good work -- I'm loving what I'm seeing so far (which is not what I was expecting...). :)

jc_lemon_lime
22nd Dec 2008, 03:48
i think that Adam is much more likely to be a private military contractor or counter terrorist than a 'mall cop'. all of the dentons were trained as anti-terror/special forces, so it would make sense from a thematic standpoint for him to have a similar background; and quite frankly i think that DX is a little too grounded to have a core canon storyline be: 'a 15 credit an hour rent-a-cop survives a commando raid, then goes out and gets a bunch of guns and augs and takes down the illuminati'

also, Adam's age is say, 40 years at the time of the game, 2027 (or is it 29? i've heard both) he would have been born in 1987 (or 89), putting him in the same generation as most players. he will have seen all of DX's technical and social changes from the same perspective we would; making him a more personable character.

NK007
22nd Dec 2008, 11:41
Why do you all want him to be an ex-Green Beret with a kill count of over 9000, scars all over his war-torn body and the ability to kill a men unarmed in under 5 seconds?

What's so wrong about a security guard with a fairly high security clearance level, I assume he's pretty smart dude to get that job anyway, who gets dragged into a world-wide conspiracy and then proceeds to grow to a full-blown badass, instead of starting as a ******* killing machine?!

LatwPIAT
22nd Dec 2008, 18:38
Why do you all want him to be an ex-Green Beret with a kill count of over 9000, scars all over his war-torn body and the ability to kill a men unarmed in under 5 seconds?

What's so wrong about a security guard with a fairly high security clearance level, I assume he's pretty smart dude to get that job anyway, who gets dragged into a world-wide conspiracy and then proceeds to grow to a full-blown badass, instead of starting as a ******* killing machine?!

You misunderstand. He doesn't have to be an ex-Green Beret who's actually killed someone before. He can be a member of a militant security company without having been in the army, especially if they train their own guards. He could even be from an elite police unit (Like GSG9) that... somehow... never saw action before the game began. Then the attack on the building Jensen works in would be the first real firefight he is in.

Take JC Denton. He was obviously trained fairly extensively in firearms, explosives, hand-to-hand combat, electronics, lockpicking, stealth and hacking before he was given his mission to assault Liberty Island. We don't know if he has ever killed anyone at that time, or he was in the military first, or the police, or just entered UNATCO because of Bob Page, but we know that he is fresh out of UNATCO training.

GmanPro
22nd Dec 2008, 20:25
Except that JC was only 22 (something like that), while AJ has gray hairs. Obviously AJ has some sort of experience in real world situations.

AaronJ
22nd Dec 2008, 20:49
Problem is the wrong word. I'm more worried about information that hasn't been released yet. I want Adam Jensen to be a bad ass but more importantly I want to be able to believe that he's a bad ass.

SPM1138 I hope your right about Adam Jensen's security job. Something like a blackwater type agency would be really cool and give the character an edge of moral and motivational ambiguity.

I agree, as long as they don't make him cliché as hell.

"I'VE COVERED WARS Y'KNOW"

NK007
22nd Dec 2008, 21:12
You misunderstand. He doesn't have to be an ex-Green Beret who's actually killed someone before. He can be a member of a militant security company without having been in the army, especially if they train their own guards. He could even be from an elite police unit (Like GSG9) that... somehow... never saw action before the game began. Then the attack on the building Jensen works in would be the first real firefight he is in.

Take JC Denton. He was obviously trained fairly extensively in firearms, explosives, hand-to-hand combat, electronics, lockpicking, stealth and hacking before he was given his mission to assault Liberty Island. We don't know if he has ever killed anyone at that time, or he was in the military first, or the police, or just entered UNATCO because of Bob Page, but we know that he is fresh out of UNATCO training.

I want him, personally, to be a desk job guy in the military or just a guard in some front gate. For some reason, GSG 9 actually popped into my head too... but then I remembered that you have to be a ******* monster to pass their selection. Any of these courses, these elite units, you have to be a special kind of person to get accepted.
I really want him to be someone who may have had intelligence experience before, making him a rather smart action hero, maybe he received his augs due to an accident or as a "prize"... then, he would be intelligent enough to not be boring, and inexperienced enough to not get dragged into the whole "nu-Rambo" type of character. Kind of takes me out of the game, usually :\...
I think it would be a breath of fresh air to have him evolve as we do in the game, and would actually make some sense in putting exp points in him (why would an anti-terrorism agency not train their agents to at least "advanced" in small arms and "average" in explosives?).

LatwPIAT
22nd Dec 2008, 21:35
(why would an anti-terrorism agency not train their agents to at least "advanced" in small arms and "average" in explosives?).

Remember that skills in Deus Ex were pretty badass right off the bat. At "Untrained" in explosives, you were fully trained in explosvies disarmal, "Untrained" agents could pick locks, which is not exactly the easiest task I can think of. Even at "untrained" computer levels, JC was cappable of opperating software he had probably never even seen before and decrypt files protected by UNATCO's computer staff.

jc_lemon_lime
22nd Dec 2008, 22:13
part of the appeal of video games is that they let you be the 'hero', a person who has skills and abiliities that few, if any people have in real life. the Bros Denton were not regular people by any means; and neither are the protagonists of most si-fi, adventure, or cyberpunk movies, games, or books.

NK007
22nd Dec 2008, 22:32
Remember that skills in Deus Ex were pretty badass right off the bat. At "Untrained" in explosives, you were fully trained in explosvies disarmal, "Untrained" agents could pick locks, which is not exactly the easiest task I can think of. Even at "untrained" computer levels, JC was cappable of opperating software he had probably never even seen before and decrypt files protected by UNATCO's computer staff.

Yes, but then you get to the weapons and you get to shoot as an average 5 year old with crippling blindness, one arm and dyslexia (I bet some of them have wonderful shooting skills, though). And what was the environmental skill good for? Guess you have to make an utterly useless skill in a game, though, for the laughs "IW's combat system was about as useful as environmental training, har har".


part of the appeal of video games is that they let you be the 'hero', a person who has skills and abiliities that few, if any people have in real life. the Bros Denton were not regular people by any means; and neither are the protagonists of most si-fi, adventure, or cyberpunk movies, games, or books.

Yes, but it's not like he's gonna be a regular Joe by the end of the game anyway... By the end of just about every DX game (all 2!) you know enough secrets and have enough ties to topple the world. That's the idea, he STARTS normal, then gets thrust into something by mistake and then adapts and changes things around.

rhalibus
23rd Dec 2008, 00:26
It's also possible AJ could be a man with a past: an ex-military operative who tries to escape his dark past through a security job at a private security company. Maybe when bad things start to happen again he can contact some of his old military buddies...

Or whatever. Rene's right; not enough info has been released yet, and I'm sure we'll be enlightened soon...:D

mackingu
23rd Dec 2008, 01:22
Except that JC was only 22 (something like that), while AJ has gray hairs. Obviously AJ has some sort of experience in real world situations.

Why do grey hairs signify age or more experience in something? I'm not ragging on you in particular, but I'm 26 and have had grey hairs since I got out of high school. And my best friend starting getting grey hair when he was 16 (coincidently also met his girlfriend of 10 years at that time :D), and now has a head full of greys.

Getting back on topic, I don't mind the idea of AJ being a rent-a-cop who gets involved in some international conspiracy accidently. Take Jamie Lee Curtis' character in True Lies for example. That (sorta) worked :rasp:

GmanPro
23rd Dec 2008, 02:04
^^ Great movie


I want him, personally, to be a desk job guy in the military or just a guard in some front gate. For some reason, GSG 9 actually popped into my head too... but then I remembered that you have to be a *** monster to pass their selection. Any of these courses, these elite units, you have to be a special kind of person to get accepted.
I really want him to be someone who may have had intelligence experience before, making him a rather smart action hero, maybe he received his augs due to an accident or as a "prize"... then, he would be intelligent enough to not be boring, and inexperienced enough to not get dragged into the whole "nu-Rambo" type of character. Kind of takes me out of the game, usually :\...
I think it would be a breath of fresh air to have him evolve as we do in the game, and would actually make some sense in putting exp points in him (why would an anti-terrorism agency not train their agents to at least "advanced" in small arms and "average" in explosives?).

Gordon Freeman

jc_lemon_lime
23rd Dec 2008, 05:12
Gordon Freeman may not have a military/police background (not that you'd ever guess it playing Half-Life) but he's still a doctor of theoretical physics from MIT, who worked at a classified research lab; so i really wouldn't call him an 'average' person

GmanPro
23rd Dec 2008, 05:52
I wouldn't call him average either.


I really want him to be someone who may have had intelligence experience before, making him a rather smart action hero,

spm1138
23rd Dec 2008, 07:27
Gordon Freeman may not have a military/police background (not that you'd ever guess it playing Half-Life) but he's still a doctor of theoretical physics from MIT, who worked at a classified research lab; so i really wouldn't call him an 'average' person

Did that ever scan for you?

A theoretical physicist mixing it up with submachineguns? :scratch:

Necros
23rd Dec 2008, 08:29
Gordon Freeman may not have a military/police background (not that you'd ever guess it playing Half-Life) but he's still a doctor of theoretical physics from MIT, who worked at a classified research lab; so i really wouldn't call him an 'average' person
Indeed, a very smart guy. You need someone to push a big red frelling button? Call Gordon Freeman! :thumb: :lol: Let's face it, story wasn't the strongest point of the Half Life games. They are getting better though.

NK007
23rd Dec 2008, 08:55
I wouldn't call him average either.

He's not average, but he's not a Sam Carter either ;) (great sig btw)

The whole idea is that he could be pretty smart, intelligent, deductive, even somewhat charismatic - have some good logic and people skills, basically - he could still be fairly indifferent to preserve the DX setting, but he doesn't have to be a born killer.

LatwPIAT
23rd Dec 2008, 11:43
Yes, but then you get to the weapons and you get to shoot as an average 5 year old with crippling blindness, one arm and dyslexia (I bet some of them have wonderful shooting skills, though). And what was the environmental skill good for? Guess you have to make an utterly useless skill in a game, though, for the laughs "IW's combat system was about as useful as environmental training, har har".


Been years since I last fired a rifle, but that was at about 10 meters, at a row of balloons, and I can't say I could hit any of them, even after taking a long time aiming. JC could use a sniper rifle if the player compensated for the innaccuracy a bit. Seems to me he has a little more training than I have ever had. (read: none) He also knows how to reload and operate a pistol, and lets just say I would probably use more time figuring out how to reload than I would dropping the gun and picking up a new one.

Also, dyslexia has nothing to do with your skill at aiming guns. It has to do with your ability to read.

NK007
23rd Dec 2008, 12:42
OMG cynicism? I know what's dyslexia.

Anyway this whole skill thing is outta whack. A soldier, for instance, would have a "ranges" week at which he would learn to fire his rifle properly at a range of a 100 meters, having to hit 4\5 shots into center mass at least. So ok, Deus Ex is a pretty small game and making him able to shoot with an assault rifle accurately for 70 meters would put the game out of balance, but making him so bad with a pistol, as a CT government agent is just plain weird.

Anyway the whole skills thing is off-point. The whole weirdness would even cease to be weird if he wasn't an agent, but just a higher-class rent-a-cop.

LatwPIAT
23rd Dec 2008, 12:46
OMG cynicism? I know what's dyslexia.
I don't think that word means what you think it does.


Anyway the whole skills thing is off-point. The whole weirdness would even cease to be weird if he wasn't an agent, but just a higher-class rent-a-cop.
True.

NK007
23rd Dec 2008, 17:10
http://www.answers.com/topic/cynicism

# A scornfully or jadedly negative comment or act

http://www.answers.com/topic/jaded

# Worn out; wearied

Frustrated and weary about the skill system and how stupid the small arms skill set is in my opinion, I made a cynical comment about a learning disability that has nothing to do with actual, real world aiming skills with a weapon. It would also be more fun to post if you didn't have me going through 5 definitions in online dictionaries before posting (although amusing I guess). Also, give me a break, English isn't my native language.

GmanPro
23rd Dec 2008, 18:55
The whole idea is that he could be pretty smart, intelligent, deductive, even somewhat charismatic - have some good logic and people skills, basically - he could still be fairly indifferent to preserve the DX setting, but he doesn't have to be a born killer.

Sounds like a James Bond type of character.

It seems to me that if the player wants to play as a charismatic super-secret agent man oozing suave charm, then the game should allow for that... At the very least throw in some situations where you can complete objectives through the use of carefully chosen dialogue options (no more Oblivion/FO3 BS where you just keep clicking the options until there are none left to click. I want actual consequences please!).

NK007
23rd Dec 2008, 20:56
I'm not talking about a secret agent someone who oozes charm... I'm just talking about someone whose not a grunt with the personality of a wooden plank. Besides, James Bond is also really, really, good fighting apparently.

Red
23rd Dec 2008, 22:43
How about you just press a button and the protagonist solves the level automaticly and you just watch with a popcorn in your hands? Swell, aye?

GmanPro
23rd Dec 2008, 23:18
^^That certainly seems to be the trend with games these days. The industry sure has "grown up" alright.

Has anyone tried the new Prince of Persia? They took out the magical sands. So now when you mess up and fall to your death, instead of having the player activate a sand-power to go backwards in time, they just do it for you. Game developers are trying to systematically remove resource management from games, in an attempt to make the experience more "efficient". Imo they are only succeeding at making games feel... smaller.

NK007
23rd Dec 2008, 23:29
How about you just press a button and the protagonist solves the level automaticly and you just watch with a popcorn in your hands? Swell, aye?

Who was this referred to?


^^That certainly seems to be the trend with games these days. The industry sure has "grown up" alright.

Has anyone tried the new Prince of Persia? They took out the magical sands. So now when you mess up and fall to your death, instead of having the player activate a sand-power to go backwards in time, they just do it for you. Game developers are trying to systematically remove resource management from games, in an attempt to make the experience more "efficient". Imo they are only succeeding at making games feel... smaller.

I have read about this. It seems the reviewer in IGN gave the game a 9.2 or something and then the rest of people reviewed the reviewer (more like flamed him) and said the game sucks. Pretty, just like a movie.

jc_lemon_lime
24th Dec 2008, 04:45
this thread may be getting a bit off topic.

as to the question of how Adam is going to be characterized: i think he'd probably be a down to earth and affable fellow, perhaps a bit jaded by experience. it's hard to say having only seen a single picture. i think maybe he's someone who's life didn't turn out at all like he thought it would. for instance: maybe he joined the army to get money for collage when he younger, and he was forced to stay in much longer than he anticipated (a war could have broken out or something) and by the time he got out he had given up on his dream, so he drifted into a corporate security job.

GmanPro
24th Dec 2008, 06:36
Or maybe he actually wanted to be a badass gun slinger. Not everyone wants to go to college and end up with a desk job. Although I do like the idea of him being a war veteran. Adds a little bit of flavor and depth to the character kind of like Sam Carter.

spm1138
24th Dec 2008, 14:59
He could be an ex-cop too. Or an ex-spook. There's a whole range of possibilities the grey hairs add :D

NK007
24th Dec 2008, 16:50
this thread may be getting a bit off topic.

as to the question of how Adam is going to be characterized: i think he'd probably be a down to earth and affable fellow, perhaps a bit jaded by experience. it's hard to say having only seen a single picture. i think maybe he's someone who's life didn't turn out at all like he thought it would. for instance: maybe he joined the army to get money for collage when he younger, and he was forced to stay in much longer than he anticipated (a war could have broken out or something) and by the time he got out he had given up on his dream, so he drifted into a corporate security job.

Maybe he is a sexually confused transvestite who joined the army to complete his operation and turn into a woman, only instead of women parts he got robot parts. Then the army found out he was the gay, kicked him out and now he's gingerly cruising through life, working as a rent-a-cop with a gut and occasionally drinking a beer with his transvestite army buddies. Or something. Mod time.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
24th Dec 2008, 22:43
Mod time.

Oooh, is it my turn?! :) :cool:

Well, I'll just confirm that human imagination is truly infinite... the possibilities are endless, as the latest post(s) clearly illustrate! :D

hem dazon 90
25th Dec 2008, 03:44
id think from his picture and backstory adam's personality will be bruce willis/ john mclane from die hard.... hopfully

MaxxQ1
25th Dec 2008, 03:53
id think from his picture and backstory adam's personality will be bruce willis/ john mclane from die hard.... hopfully

Yippee-ki-yay, mother...:D

GmanPro
25th Dec 2008, 04:03
Maybe a slightly more reserved version lol.

MaxxQ1
25th Dec 2008, 04:11
Maybe a slightly more reserved version lol.

Oh, you mean the Die Hard 4 version of John McClane. :lol:

Not that it was a bad movie. I thought it was better than 2, and MUCH better than 3.

GmanPro
25th Dec 2008, 04:22
^^ Aww, I liked the third one... :D

CentraSpike
26th Dec 2008, 22:49
To me the concept art hints at intelligence and grit. I would have said past military history but the concept art conveys a more plain clothes detective/cop like persona. He defineitely seems "street smart" (someone with an understanding of and information conatcts with the criminal world). Im also getting the vibe of technical know how as well as corporate intelligence. The dude looks like he knows how to handle himself. If things didn't pan out with his security job I think bounty hunting would be right up his alley (and I don't mean petty thugs and dealers).

NK007
27th Dec 2008, 00:34
To me the concept art hints at intelligence and grit. I would have said past military history but the concept art conveys a more plain clothes detective/cop like persona. He defineitely seems "street smart" (someone with an understanding of and information conatcts with the criminal world). Im also getting the vibe of technical know how as well as corporate intelligence. The dude looks like he knows how to handle himself. If things didn't pan out with his security job I think bounty hunting would be right up his alley (and I don't mean petty thugs and dealers).

That's what I meant. If that makes more sense than what I said.

hem dazon 90
10th Jan 2009, 23:40
^^ Aww, I liked the third one... :D

and the second one was the best

Lilith
11th Jan 2009, 19:07
'kay there is a lot of content here I've looked at some so I'm just going to jump in with my two cents.

What are your general opinions on our protagonist, Adam Jensen?
How do you feel about his current look/image?
- Snake, reaction? Happy actually.
Metal Gear Solids is the only game I group with DX1 for storytelling style. Its brilliant. I'm probably going to annoy, but look at metal gear solid MSG1 to MSG3 link up. Cause comparisons are going to be drawn, a lot. (maybe already have in the 11 pages of posts ;p).

Solid Snake was a clone, but, more importantly, he was designed to account for flaws in Big Boss. Physically he was smaller, more compact, more athletic, even more visually he had a 12 back and lean arms, Big Boss had a nice big thick 6 pack and huge arms (compared to Solid Snake, not Volgin or anything). To me he LOOKS like a vet in a lot of ways, that I think is important. Because the people who look for the gene base for JC/Paul would've been looking for someone with a record not just a one off.

Are you happy with his occupation as far as beginning the game is concerned?
What about his obvious smoking habit, hehe!

Yes, I'm content with this. Because, it leads to a vet appeal. You don't want someone in the military, will I don't, cause then you have a lot of ties. You want someone with a military background because this is close future, and I presume there is going to be a war or wars written in. Also security firm leaves open a lot of history of wet work in Africa, there are a lot of interesting options open from it to show his character.

Smoking I think is a very strong image, because it says three major things about someone.

1) They're stressed and/or have painful memories, a very positive or (this is getting symbol oh noes) 'clean' person like JC was are very unlikely to have such visual character 'flaws' from high moral grounds.. He was a very clean person from a high moral position at the start of the game, he mentions not smoking a few times. JC's memories are basically false.

2) They are not Mr. Good guy in the sense of a goodie tooshoes which is something that just never rolls. Not even Paul is one,

Later in the game if you break into Jocks room in Hong Kong you can hack a terminal showing Paul's messages to Jock showing he is a bit more willing to kill then you might think.

3) I like smokers. A lot of people feel strongly about them. I smoke, people who smoke and look like that, me I think its a sexy image. I don't smoke to be sexy, but I can admit that side does exist. Now, you also have the risk of people who don't like smokers, BUT that isn't a bad thing I think. Cause way I see it, you have an emotional attachment tot his guy already.


Do you have any theories as to whether or not Jensen is somehow related to anyone (or anything) that appeared in the previous games?
If so, please share.

Its pretty easy to see that there will almost without a doubt be 'This is the guy who JC was made from'.

What I think would be cool, though posting this late in the game development doubt it'll be implemented is a character along with Jensen and depending one is JC's donor and other Pauls? Guess it means that the person with Jensen would have to be a lover?

Finally, we know about how the story/game will begin.
Do you have any general views on the scenario we have been given?
Any ideas on just who these "black op commandos" work for? Is 'black' an obvious clue...?

Black just implies to me that its an off the books operation, hello former MJ12?
Me, my money is on staged hist to create support.

We know that they have slaughtered the staff at the biomech aug lab Jensen works at. "Mass slaughter" sounds like the entire HQ building, not just the lab!... perhaps.
Any ideas why or what this private security company may have in their possession that is so important to the faction who sent in the commandos?

Confusion here, maybe I've not read here right.
Is the HQ building the biomech aug lab? Or the security companies?

If the former, then. It, is a biomech augmentation la-bo-ra-to-rie. They are not there for the yummie cake.

The latter? Depends on how shady the security company is, scaling from competition to secrets uncovered on legit/less then legit jobs.

Could it be that they are looking for something that ultimately threatens them; or maybe something that will promise them greater control and power?

Former, power either in the form of direct theft or my praying out intellects will be tested a plot to gain government funding. If you kill 20-30-40 etc people to steal something, the people who are funding it are going to go 'oh hello, we're onto something'

Maybe it isn't the lab contents they are after... but all the lives of those who are working there? Maybe they knew something... or knew too much.
Perhaps only one person knew something but the command was to 'kill all and leave no witnesses'?

I hope nothing so base.

I'm sorry, but it will just spit the faces of Deus Ex fans. And to be honest, set this game as nothing that new to start with for new fans.
We WANT something deep, and we want it in two forms.

Subtly fed, or surprising us.

Who played Deus Ex one and SAW Paul coming? And like that? Hell no you didn't, if you did you're lying. As working with the enemy? Maybe, as being against UNACTO at his core, sure. As standing in front of the 747 and saying "thats right JC, I'm with the NSF". Pfft, it was a brilliant moment.