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Polarshark
28th Sep 2008, 22:41
are there gonna be some extra non-challenge just for fun missions in BSP?

like dropping the atomic bombs on japan or bombing the factories in japan

those kinds of stuffs

not to mention piloting skytrains and dropping paratroppers

that'll be fun

crazyhorse128
29th Sep 2008, 14:27
like dropping the atomic bombs on japan


!!!BORING!!!

Arrow
29th Sep 2008, 15:43
No, seriously? I mean, sure you get to see a giant bang, but...yeah, then what else? You fly there, drop a bomb, see a bang, go "Oooooo" and then fly back?

crazyhorse128
29th Sep 2008, 17:14
cant wait!!!!!!!!! Im so buying BS:P just for that experience :thumbsup:

It3llig3nc3
29th Sep 2008, 17:44
Hmmmm ;)

Arrow
29th Sep 2008, 17:53
Flying Skytrains, at any rate, has been confirmed.

Polarshark
30th Sep 2008, 00:06
no but for the details like you can see how beautiful the explosions can be

and look at the effects and see the destruction

it'll light up your monitor and be a beautiful display ( atomic bomb)

(well not for everyone)

Polarshark
30th Sep 2008, 00:40
oh crap

i'll be so excited if there are I400s

cause in the trailer i think there is 1
where the minisub is coming to the surface and underneath it was a huge sub

the I400 could also hold airplanes

saw what it can do in a game called heroes of the pacific

big sub i tell ya

Arrow
30th Sep 2008, 00:41
no but for the details like you can see how beautiful the explosions can be

and look at the effects and see the destruction

it'll light up your monitor and be a beautiful display ( atomic bomb)

Sounds like it'd make a better screensaver than part of a game. >.>

Tex Vindictive
30th Sep 2008, 01:40
You know Arrow in a way your right. Dropping the bomb on Japan was part of the war. Why not have something? But you know in some way, one, I don't think its the best way to sell this game so I can't see them having it (but wouldn't surprised me if they did) and two, how much of a mission did the Enola Gay have to get to its drop site?

Arrow
30th Sep 2008, 02:49
According to Wikipedia, it was pretty uneventful. The US force was tiny, and Japan didn't think too much of it at the time. The release on Hiroshima was described by Wiki as "uneventful".


The Enola Gay (named after Colonel Tibbets' mother) was accompanied by two other B29s, The Great Artiste which carried instrumentation, commanded by Major Charles W. Sweeney, and a then-nameless aircraft later called Necessary Evil (the photography aircraft) commanded by Captain George Marquardt.

We don't even have enough to have a full game. Assuming BSM's method of selecting your units has stayed with BSP, you'd get the US slots of:
-Enola Gay
-The Great Artiste
-Necessary Evil
-????

Oh boy, the Enola Gay gets to drop the bomb, the next B-29 gets to read instruments for the mission, and Necessary Evil gets to take awesome photographs! Bonus points for getting the entire mushroom cloud in! :rolleyes:

Japan didn't have much either.

About an hour before the bombing, Japanese early warning radar detected the approach of some American aircraft headed for the southern part of Japan. An alert was given and radio broadcasting stopped in many cities, among them Hiroshima. At nearly 08:00, the radar operator in Hiroshima determined that the number of planes coming in was very small—probably not more than three—and the air raid alert was lifted. To conserve fuel and aircraft, the Japanese had decided not to intercept small formations. The normal radio broadcast warning was given to the people that it might be advisable to go to air-raid shelters if B-29s were actually sighted, but no raid was expected beyond some sort of reconnaissance.

Alright...so does this mean we get to play as airfields on the ground on the lookout for B-29s? If so then they probably get the most exciting part of the job - actually shooting down the Enola Gay.

From the above analysis, I believe that this is best in the Japanese campaign - i.e, what if the Enola Gay was shot down? You could then turn it around and say, by some fluke, or through reverse engineering, the Japanese get their own A-bomb. That'd be one way of ending the war in favour of Japan. I dunno, maybe it's a dumb idea. Just throwing them out now.

Anyway, if it's gonna go anywhere, it should go in the hypothetical Japanese campaign. It'd be boring as the US, since we all know what happened and it was uneventful anyway.

japfighter
26th Nov 2008, 07:19
i feel bad for the people who died that day :(. well it was a good thing the war ended because of that but still feel bad for the people who died

It3llig3nc3
26th Nov 2008, 08:46
i feel bad for the people who died that day :(. well it was a good thing the war ended because of that but still feel bad for the people who died

Well, yes. War is not fair - especially to civilians who happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

however let's not forget to feel bad about the US soldiers died in Japanese POW camps after a lot of suffering... ...and many other can be cited...

Red October
26th Nov 2008, 16:01
Well, yes. War is not fair - especially to civilians who happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

however let's not forget to feel bad about the US soldiers died in Japanese POW camps after a lot of suffering... ...and many other can be cited...

Very true.

Speaking with the Atomic bomb mission, it would have to be altered historically. You have to defend and island the b-29 usess to refuel then escort the bombers to Japan fending of fighters and such. The take control of the bombers in the end?

Though, if people just want to see mushroom clouds they can buy World in Conflict.

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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - Jimmy Carter

Arrow
26th Nov 2008, 17:58
That's true. I'm sure the opposite is also true, though.

Regardless, I don't think that the atomic bombings are something to be covered in BSP. At the very least, the mission will be extremely boring aside from seeing a gigantic explosion.

Intercepting the Enola Gay, though, is far more interesting.

Tex Vindictive
26th Nov 2008, 23:30
Something else I thought about with this mission. When you release THE BOMB, (and I know this would take a lot of rendering), you have a 3D rendering of the explosion, not just a movie of the explosion? To look back at an angle and see the explosion at scale on the map might be neat to see.

Sandy
6th Dec 2008, 05:18
During WWII my uncle was involved in the team that set the flight course of the Enola Gay. In 1958 when I was 13, I visited him at Scott Air Force Base out side of St.Louis. One evening he took me for a ride to the far reaches of the base. Stopping along side the road, he told me to get out, walk over to some bushes and look through. Peering through a small hole I saw a huge plane sitting in a grass field, rusting, with weeds well over the wheels. On the nose was the name Enola Gay. A very moving experience even at 13. At that time he told me the country was not very proud of it. Of course today, she is cleaned up and now on public display. You are all so right that a game based on this event would be very long and very boring, as my uncle has explained in detail to me that their entire intent was to create as small a foot print as possible, to create nothing exceptional for the Japanese radar to pick up, to not see a flight of zeros coming down on them, all in hopes the planes could reach their targets uneventfully as possible. Maybe "World In Conflict" might just be the best place to be if what you want to see is mushroom clouds. Sorry this is so long, but I was born on the day they dropped the second bomb on Japan, so this discussion kind of hits home.:(

Yamamoto666
4th Jan 2009, 17:06
the thing about war is that when your nation is in the heat of it, you could care less about the enemy, let alone that they are human beings,

the best lessons are learned through experience, america did not know the destructive potential of the atom bomb so the military advisors came up with dropping it on an enemy nation, to end a war, to learn of the bombs power, to save american lives, if we invaded Japan instead of dropping the bomb America would have lost over a million soldiers, marines etc, which goes back to saving american lives, with no regard towards the enemy, america learned a lesson by dropping the atomic bomb, the lesson was to never do it again to any nation on earth.

Red October
4th Jan 2009, 17:49
During WWII my uncle was involved in the team that set the flight course of the Enola Gay. In 1958 when I was 13, I visited him at Scott Air Force Base out side of St.Louis. One evening he took me for a ride to the far reaches of the base. Stopping along side the road, he told me to get out, walk over to some bushes and look through. Peering through a small hole I saw a huge plane sitting in a grass field, rusting, with weeds well over the wheels. On the nose was the name Enola Gay. A very moving experience even at 13. At that time he told me the country was not very proud of it. Of course today, she is cleaned up and now on public display. You are all so right that a game based on this event would be very long and very boring, as my uncle has explained in detail to me that their entire intent was to create as small a foot print as possible, to create nothing exceptional for the Japanese radar to pick up, to not see a flight of zeros coming down on them, all in hopes the planes could reach their targets uneventfully as possible. Maybe "World In Conflict" might just be the best place to be if what you want to see is mushroom clouds. Sorry this is so long, but I was born on the day they dropped the second bomb on Japan, so this discussion kind of hits home.:(

:eek: You where born on the day that makes you what 64? Interesting.
None of my family is old enough to have proticapted in WW2. Though me granddad was an atomic engineer during the Cold War stationed in Oak ridge doing Lord knows what.

Waffen
4th Jan 2009, 19:24
are there gonna be some extra non-challenge just for fun missions in BSP?

like dropping the atomic bombs on japan or bombing the factories in japan

those kinds of stuffs

not to mention piloting skytrains and dropping paratroppers

that'll be fun

that would be sooooo kewl :cool: if we could drive C-47 douglas skytrains! and drop them on there target. Or like be able to control a destroyer or a corsiar and pre-vide air support where ever the troops call it in. Or pre-viding artilery support like it says in dev's diary part one. :cool: :cool: :cool:

Sandy
4th Jan 2009, 22:19
:eek: You where born on the day that makes you what 64? Interesting.
None of my family is old enough to have proticapted in WW2. Though me granddad was an atomic engineer during the Cold War stationed in Oak ridge doing Lord knows what.

Yep, will be 64 Aug. 9th this year, born 1945. I do seem to be a bit older alright (a lot actually) :D then most of you guys and I am old enough to have had a lot of my family participate in WW2. That's alright though I think.:scratch: Maybe it helps to have Grandpa around to keep everyone grounded. :lol: :lol:
I have my uncle that was involved with the Enola Gay, an uncle that served on the second Hornet, my dad who was a Navy aircraft inspector stationed at Pearl, my wife's dad who fought in Europe and was in the Normandy invasion and my wife's uncle who was a tank driver with Patton. Me, I've had two tours of duty in Vietnam.
Getting back on track though, I believe Pacific Storm Allies has missions that drop the A-Bomb on Japan for those of you who are looking for that. I tend to agree with Arrow that perhaps BSP should be kept more a Navy tactical game. :) According to the devs. report, I believe the landing and para-dropping of troops is only there to enhance the Navy tactics.

Waffen
5th Jan 2009, 21:26
yea ive played PS that is one of my fav games i just wish the ships go faster :hmm: but i do love droppin da atom bomb! :D