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B0b_P@ge
15th Aug 2008, 03:27
What made Deus Ex 1 so interesting was the concepts that it introduced, most notably it showed the power of 'nanotechnology'. Sure, the power was well known to sci-fi geeks who read Neal Stephensons The Diamond Age but for the great deal of majority of people who never read it, Deus Ex was something very interesting; other interesting topics and concepts groups from Asia(Chinese Communists, & Triads: Luminous Path & Red Arrow) North America(NSF, US Government, etC) and Old Europa(Illuminati & MJ) plotting global domination, Centralized Internet (Completely from the realm of computer geeks), etc.

I'd like to open up this discussion by explaining the format: Just give the idea and a link explaining more of it(Video, Wiki, etc), and a brief description of why it should be in Deus Ex 3. Here goes my list:




1) Humanities Progression towards One Race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Race_of_the_Future): Scientist predict humanity will look something like this in the year 3000, why not start introducing this concept earlier? Dx3 deals with H2, so why not introduce this concept? Have trans-racial people, the MIB's in Dx1 had a description of having half Asiatic characteristics.

2) Space Elevator: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator): It would make awesome scenery, justify a space level, adds great elements for a story.

3) North American Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Union) Imagine Mexia, Canada & US unifying like the EU in their own version and creating their own governing superstructure and massive civil building mandate (Example: 16 lane trans-superhighways across the the 3 countries).

4 ) One World Government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_government): Need I say more? Dx1 did right, Dx2 messed it up; nevertheless, this has been an important theme throughout the series. The idea of countries laying down their own borders and weapons under one power for whatever reason is quite interesting and you don't see in many video games.

5) Hydraulic Despotism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_empire): Imagine the goverment controlled something ultra-essential to your existence like water ... or a cure to a disease (a la graydeath)... or periodic medicine to an addiction... where if you rebel against them, they can simply just take it away, kill thousands of your rioters/rebels and maintain order once the troublemakers (And a couple thousand innocents) are eliminated?


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Conclusion:
If any of these ideas provoked you, whether in good or bad way then you know they belong there. ;) This was the nature of Dx1, I still remember when I was young and introduced to the idea of OceanLabs, Centralized Internets, achieving immortallity through nano-technology... Now everyone lets hear your "concepts" or "ideas" and we'll let the developers nit-pick what they like....

El_Bel
15th Aug 2008, 19:09
There is no America. There is no democracy.There is only IBM, and ITT ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jmuhZY2mgs

The world is a business..

B0b_P@ge
20th Aug 2008, 00:52
WOW! That video was amazing! That was absolutely ****en amazing!! It's stuff like this that's exactly, and I mean EXACTLY stuff like this that needs to be in Deus Ex3.

I think it's best to watch the entire clip here, it's absolutely amazing in its entirety:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI5hrcwU7Dk

B0b_P@ge
24th Aug 2008, 14:27
Here's a very interesting video of globalization and the future of civilization:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7FVjATcqvc

Blade_hunter
24th Aug 2008, 14:47
I hope to don't be off topic, but why we can't add persons that wants to commit a suicide and we can save them by different methods

TrickyVein
24th Aug 2008, 16:45
I hope to don't be off topic, but why we can't add persons that wants to commit a suicide and we can save them by different methods

That's kind of morbid...course given the freedom of choice that DX grants the player, we could help them along.

If your life really does suck, then maybe you should end it, ya know?:)

Larington
24th Aug 2008, 17:40
One of the oddities of Baldur's Gate 1 is that you'd come accross this person along the coast near the starting area that is thinking about throwing himself off the cliff. It doesn't matter which dialogue option you choose though, he still decides not to go through it, the dialogue options are mostly flavour text intended in part for humourous purposes.

gamer0004
24th Aug 2008, 19:28
It would de noce to be able to do that. I do not want another STALKER gimmick though. After a couple of hours I had already saved like 3 or 4 fellow stalkers (and only 1 survived because the rest decided to attack the enemy on their own). It was a shame you couldn't save the enemy too. Even IW did that better.

minus0ne
25th Aug 2008, 05:11
1) Humanities Progression towards One Race : Scientist predict humanity will look something like this in the year 3000, why not start introducing this concept earlier? Dx3 deals with H2, so why not introduce this concept? Have trans-racial people, the MIB's in Dx1 had a description of having half Asiatic characteristics.
Of course DX3 should have people of all races (and "trans-racial" people), but I think it's too early to have "future race" people. Anyway I think it'd be more interesting to focus on the impact of the 'globalised village' and migration than on 'race'. And it's just not that interesting, although I know Americans are obsessed with classifying things and putting them in boxes. Anyway, here's my 2c;

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chomsky+on+anarchism&search_type=&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G6kf7XM9Nk&feature=related

Anarchism, or Anarcho-Syndicalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho_syndicalism). This is bound to gain traction over time, and I wouldn't be surprised if small anarcho-syndicalistic pockets were to spring up here and there in the coming decades. Obviously practically anyone will tell you anarchy is the absence of government and therefore utter chaos, but that's pretty far from the truth. Democracy in all its forms will one day make way for something else entirely (it's far from ideal, especially in practice), and by the time DX3 takes place, democracies might be showing some large cracks.


Environment/Climate refugees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_refugee). This shouldn't need elaboration.

Technological Singularity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity). There's no set definition of this as it widely varies across the board. Some think this is simply the next step in our worldwide technological society, others are scared (and some of the top scientists are claiming there's no way of predicting what will happen). Obviously this was a theme in both DX and IW, but not in any real satisfying sense IMHO. I'd love to see DX3 take place closely before, during, or after 'technological singularity' events.

B0b_P@ge
25th Aug 2008, 20:13
Of course DX3 should have people of all races (and "trans-racial" people), but I think it's too early to have "future race" people. Anyway I think it'd be more interesting to focus on the impact of the 'globalised village' and migration than on 'race'. And it's just not that interesting, although I know Americans are obsessed with classifying things and putting them in boxes. Anyway, here's my 2c;

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chomsky+on+anarchism&search_type=&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G6kf7XM9Nk&feature=related

Anarchism, or Anarcho-Syndicalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho_syndicalism). This is bound to gain traction over time, and I wouldn't be surprised if small anarcho-syndicalistic pockets were to spring up here and there in the coming decades. Obviously practically anyone will tell you anarchy is the absence of government and therefore utter chaos, but that's pretty far from the truth. Democracy in all its forms will one day make way for something else entirely (it's far from ideal, especially in practice), and by the time DX3 takes place, democracies might be showing some large cracks.


Environment/Climate refugees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_refugee). This shouldn't need elaboration.

Technological Singularity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity). There's no set definition of this as it widely varies across the board. Some think this is simply the next step in our worldwide technological society, others are scared (and some of the top scientists are claiming there's no way of predicting what will happen). Obviously this was a theme in both DX and IW, but not in any real satisfying sense IMHO. I'd love to see DX3 take place closely before, during, or after 'technological singularity' events.

Those are very interesting concepts indeed! I hope they make it, especially the last two.

FrankCSIS
25th Aug 2008, 20:26
and by the time DX3 takes place, democracies might be showing some large cracks.

It already is. Not to sound like a broken record but I'll just reiterate what I said a few weeks ago about how democracy evolves into an institutional dictatorship. In the long run the system itself runs the country, not its candidates. I'd go as far as saying it actually picks its own candidates on all sides. I'm very skeptical of democracy spreading throughout the world, especially by force. It's liberty we should be spreading, if anything, not institutional reforms.

Such an autonomous system that eventually grows an existence of its own is a bit scary if you ask me, especially with the kind of propaganda machine it has behind it. How democracy managed to attach itself to liberty I couldn't say.

MaxxQ1
26th Aug 2008, 01:59
by the time DX3 takes place, democracies might be showing some large cracks.


It already is. Not to sound like a broken record but I'll just reiterate what I said a few weeks ago about how democracy evolves into an institutional dictatorship. In the long run the system itself runs the country, not its candidates. I'd go as far as saying it actually picks its own candidates on all sides. I'm very skeptical of democracy spreading throughout the world, especially by force. It's liberty we should be spreading, if anything, not institutional reforms.

Such an autonomous system that eventually grows an existence of its own is a bit scary if you ask me, especially with the kind of propaganda machine it has behind it. How democracy managed to attach itself to liberty I couldn't say.

Funny you should mention "democracy" and "cracks" in the same sentence. Three lads from Canada were thinking the same thing back in 1974-75:

"Beneath, Between And Behind" - Rush

Ten score years ago, defeat the kingly foe
A wondrous dream came into being
Tame the trackless waste, no virgin land left chaste
All shining eyes, but never seeing

[Chorus:]
Beneath the noble bird
Between the proudest words
Behind the beauty, cracks appear
Once with heads held high
They sang out to the sky
Why do their shadows bow in fear?

Watch the cities rise
Another ship arrives
Earth's melting pot and ever growing
Fantastic dreams come true
Inventing something new
The greatest minds, and never knowing

[Chorus]

The guns replace the plow, facades are tarnished now
The principles have been betrayed
The dreams's gone stale, but still, let hope prevail
History's debt won't be repaid

[Chorus]