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jcp28
1st Jul 2008, 22:51
I'd like to discuss how society is affected in a number of areas. But don't mention current issues again, else I'll report anyone who brings it up.
That's not directly relevant to some of the stuff I wanted to cover. And please, do not debate the merits of capitalism v. socialism. I actually enjoy such debates, but if you want to discuss that with someone, take it to another forum. Like this one I belong to that's gonna go vB in another month and a half which has so far been fairly inactive for the past year or so. If you don't comply, this thread could be locked, and I really don't think we want that, do we?;)

First, observe that the world of DX has a terrorist problem since UNATCO was formed to combat a rising threat from various groups. Obviously, we have problems with Islamic fundamentalist types now, but if globalization doesn't occur very smoothly, then I could see groups popping up in places like SE Asia and the poorer parts of Latin America protesting globalization while willing to use violent methods to fight "class inequality" and all sorts of other stuff.


Also let's discuss the possible applications of nanotechnology in the near future. Now we see it used in Deus Ex 1 to make a self-replicating virus that causes devastation to much of America's population. I would not rule it out being used in the future by a group or groups who seek to control a portion of the populace for profit, for ideology, to keep others in line, or some combination of those motives.

Then it also seems logical to believe that nanotech would get used in other areas. Primarily, I can think of military areas, where we might have a crack team of people like the Dentons running around if it doesn't end up costing too much. They could use stuff like ballistic protection, speed augs, and other things to help enhance the capability of a regular soldier. I'd mention bioelectric cells to, but their applicability was debated in another thread.
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=77454
And of course, nanotech could get used to build so much crap at a cost that could be far lower than otherwise.

That's pretty much all I can think of right now. Add your own thoughts to this. I don't think I can really debate with y'all since my schedule doesn't exactly correspond with everybody else's. Besides, many of you are better at coming up with stuff than me!:p

Jerion
2nd Jul 2008, 08:14
I'd like to discuss how society is affected in a number of areas. But don't mention current issues again, else I'll report anyone who brings it up.
That's not directly relevant to some of the stuff I wanted to cover. And please, do not debate the merits of capitalism v. socialism. I actually enjoy such debates, but if you want to discuss that with someone, take it to another forum. Like this one I belong to that's gonna go vB in another month and a half which has so far been fairly inactive for the past year or so. If you don't comply, this thread could be locked, and I really don't think we want that, do we?;)

First, observe that the world of DX has a terrorist problem since UNATCO was formed to combat a rising threat from various groups. Obviously, we have problems with Islamic fundamentalist types now, but if globalization doesn't occur very smoothly, then I could see groups popping up in places like SE Asia and the poorer parts of Latin America protesting globalization while willing to use violent methods to fight "class inequality" and all sorts of other stuff.


Also let's discuss the possible applications of nanotechnology in the near future. Now we see it used in Deus Ex 1 to make a self-replicating virus that causes devastation to much of America's population. I would not rule it out being used in the future by a group or groups who seek to control a portion of the populace for profit, for ideology, to keep others in line, or some combination of those motives.

Then it also seems logical to believe that nanotech would get used in other areas. Primarily, I can think of military areas, where we might have a crack team of people like the Dentons running around if it doesn't end up costing too much. They could use stuff like ballistic protection, speed augs, and other things to help enhance the capability of a regular soldier. I'd mention bioelectric cells to, but their applicability was debated in another thread.
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=77454
And of course, nanotech could get used to build so much crap at a cost that could be far lower than otherwise.

That's pretty much all I can think of right now. Add your own thoughts to this. I don't think I can really debate with y'all since my schedule doesn't exactly correspond with everybody else's. Besides, many of you are better at coming up with stuff than me!:p

Well, we can be certain of two things:

1) it will be 5-15 years from initial proof-of-concept to the Military getting the shiny DX-ish tech.

2) It's be another 15-20 years after teh Military gets the tech before civilians will get it.


So then if nanotech-based bio-technology is being developed and researched today, then about 30-50 years from now, a mature, finished nanotech product will start being rolled out world-wide. So if all this is beginning in 2008, then somewhere around 2048-2058 nanotech bio-technology will become a known mainstream element of our everyday lives.


Wait a minute...

Lady_Of_The_Vine
2nd Jul 2008, 08:35
I am particularly interested in nano-technology. :cool:

One of the most fascinating things for me is the seemingly endless use of carbon nano-tubing for medical science and materials; and also optical camouflage ("Invisibility Cloaking") or bending of light... no doubt extremely useful for military stealth. This possibility is scary at the same time though... :eek:

Lo Bruto
2nd Jul 2008, 09:13
I just want infrared, thermo and x-ray vision.
"I SEE YOUR HEART BEATING. I SEE YOU ARE AFRAID" would be my motto. :thumbsup:

gh0s7
2nd Jul 2008, 10:01
I just want infrared, thermo and x-ray vision.
"I SEE YOUR HEART BEATING. I SEE YOU ARE AFRAID" would be my motto. :thumbsup:

...

You do realize that an X-Ray vision would delight all the pervs around the world.
And not just the male pervs, I'm sure. :rolleyes: :D

I wonder if the nanotech could be used to extend the aging to... "until the batteries run out"?

Lo Bruto
2nd Jul 2008, 10:05
What's the perv of watching a heart beating inside someone's body? :confused:
Btw, that was a Gunther quote, you know...

gh0s7
2nd Jul 2008, 10:09
If you can see the heart, then you can see "other parts"... ;)

Lo Bruto
2nd Jul 2008, 10:15
If you can see the heart, then you can see "other parts"... ;)

Yes. A liver. Maybe a lung...
:rolleyes:

Lady_Of_The_Vine
2nd Jul 2008, 11:18
^
Hehe... :D

jcp28
5th Jul 2008, 03:05
I agree. Nanotechnology has some interesting uses. However, I haven't really read too much into it, apart from a few articles in Scientific American.

MissDenton, do you know any websites that describe the practical applications of nanotech? I try and fail to Google, and all I get are some websites describing the technical applications on how such and such nanotech is built using certain materials and processes, and maybe some general applications. So I'm wondering if you know any websites that really mention some of the specific uses of carbon tubes?

Coliphorbs
5th Jul 2008, 07:40
Check these out. About the closest to DX as it gets:

The Hornet (http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/17/israel-adding-to-global-animalbot-army-with-bionic-hornets/) and the Bionic Man Gloves (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,449171,00.html)

I've read a much more thorough and detailed article in Der Spiegel about this with more input from Shimon Peres, that included more nanoweaponry/technology plans, but I can't find it. Alas... I'll try another search later.

Kevyne-Shandris
5th Jul 2008, 09:40
So I'm wondering if you know any websites that really mention some of the specific uses of carbon tubes?

If you meant nanotubes, there's bunch about it in medicine (bio-technology). 329 articles at PubMed alone.

As for the DX universe...


Ruthenium porphyrin functionalized single-walled carbon nanotube arrays--a step toward light harvesting antenna and multibit information storage.

Yu J, Mathew S, Flavel BS, Johnston MR, Shapter JG.
School of Chemistry, Physics and Earth Sciences, Flinders University, Bedford Park, SA 5042, Australia.

Ruthenium porphyrin functionalized single-walled carbon nanotube arrays have been prepared using coordination of the axial position of the metal ion onto 4-aminopyridine preassembled single-walled carbon nanotubes directly anchored to a silicon(100) surface (SWCNTs-Si). The formation of these ruthenium porphyrin functionalized single-walled carbon nanotube array electrodes (RuTPP-SWCNTs-Si) has been monitored using infrared spectroscopy (IR), differential pulse voltammetry (DPV), atomic force microscopy (AFM), laser desorption time-of-flight mass spectroscopy (LDI-TOF-MS), UV-vis spectroscopy, fluorescence spectroscopy, and cyclic voltammetry. Electrochemical results show two successive one-electron reversible redox waves. The surface concentration of the ruthenium porphyrin molecules is 3.44 x 10 (-8) mol cm (-2). Optical results indicate that the immobilization of ruthenium porphyrin enhances the light absorption of SWCNTs-Si surfaces in the visible light region. Moreover mixed assembly of ferrocene/porphyrin onto carbon nanotube arrays has been achieved by altering the ratio of two redox-active species in the deposition solution. These results suggest the ruthenium porphyrin modified electrodes are excellent candidates for molecular memory devices and light harvesting antennae.

PMID: 18597433 [PubMed - in process]

Now I like to see how the game will incorporate microgravity research. If even F.E.A.R. could weave that into a horrid storyline, DX3+ has too (and not just with weaponry).

AaronJ
5th Jul 2008, 13:50
In terms of DX in real life...


During sections of the game where the New York skyline is visible in the background, the two towers of the World Trade Center are noticeably missing; the real towers were destroyed a year after the game was released. Harvey Smith has explained that due to texture memory limitations, the portion of the skyline with the twin towers exists in the game's data files but had to be left out of the final game, with the other half mirrored in place of it. According to Smith, during the game's development, the developers justified the lack of the towers by stating that terrorists had destroyed the World Trade Center earlier in the game's storyline.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
5th Jul 2008, 18:15
MissDenton, do you know any websites that describe the practical applications of nanotech? I try and fail to Google, and all I get are some websites describing the technical applications on how such and such nanotech is built using certain materials and processes, and maybe some general applications. So I'm wondering if you know any websites that really mention some of the specific uses of carbon tubes?

I see ScadVid answered already. :cool:
Also, take a look at the articles up on YouTube. Just type in "Carbon Nano Tubes" and you'll find plenty of videos and demonstrations. :cool:

Kevyne-Shandris
5th Jul 2008, 19:35
I see ScadVid answered already. :cool:

It shows THAT badly? :lol:

Even though I'm not a MD, I've spent many a night at the local medical college library. And in those days, Medline and such was infantile. Which meant if you wanted to study exotic things (like experimental medicine), it was a l-o-n-g night of searching the stacks (amazing the library stayed open longer than even fast food joints!). Now, just zip through PubMed and get a great cross-sample of available article abstracts at the fingertips.

The best thing computing has done to medicine in 20 years is gaining accessibility of exotic topics. Can goto the local medical library and only find about 5 textbooks written 30 years ago on tropical diseases (or worse, text on diseases like TB are about 50 years old, and the newer ones concentrate on technology, not the disease process itself), for example. Not the case searching for it online.