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Peter_Smith
13th Apr 2008, 17:59
EDIT again
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Now the preferred Thief 2 version is 1.21. The best way to install 1.21 is to uses an all-in-one installer, TafferPatcher. TafferPatcher can start with your original Thief CDs and do a fresh install of 1.21, or it can modify a previuos 1.18 installation. I recommend starting from scratch with the CDs to make sure you do not have any intermediate files that will affect the settings.

You will need to save your old user.bnd file to restore your key bindings after the installation. You may have to fiddle with resolution when all is done. You can find those settings in the file cam_ext.cfg.

Tafferpatcher: unofficial complete patch for Thief 2
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131106

You can make numerous additions to T2 including texture packs, new water, and Enhancement pack as options. Personally, I don't use any of these other than a texture pack. Some of the options can create unpredictable results in some FMs. You can run TafferPatcher again to deinstall things you don't like.

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Previous Edit
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The instructions described below were developed several years ago. These steps still work, but a much easier method, which achieves better results, is to use a user-developed patch called T2 version 1.19, which is described on page 2 of this thread. 1.19 takes care of all the problems with video, audio, multiple cores, and wide screen in one installation. You start with a fresh install of T2, run the 1.19 patcher, and that is it. Further details are given on page 2. Enjoy.

1.19 also removes many of the old limitations on number of objects, etc., found in dromed, so T2 FMs can be made larger and more reliable, without video artifacts and crashes. FMs are starting to come out now that require 1.19, so you might as well use it if you are an avid Thief player.

Thanks to John Curran for pointing this out and providing detailed information on his web site, http://www.johnanthonycurran.com/thief.html.

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Obsolete instructions below
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The purpose of this thread is to list verified fixes that are necessary to make Thief 2 run on modern computers (Windows 2000 or later). Please do not use this thread to ask questions. Please start another thread for questions. If you find any errors in the following or suggested improvements, please post them here.

There are several things one generally has to do to get Thief 2 to work on a modern computer. Some depend on the type of video card you have, as noted below. Some depend on which version of the software you have.

1. Installation. Install it using the lgntforce flag. Insert the install CD and exit out of the autorun install window. Then, in a command window or at the Run command, type
D:\setup -lgntforce

where D: is the drive letter of your CD-ROM drive, and the first character in lgntforce is a lower case L.

2. Patch. Start Thief, escape to desktop using the Pause/Break key, and look at its icon in the task bar. If it displays a version number less than 1.18, patch the installation to version 1.18, the final version. This is necessary to get Fan Missions running and is a prerequisite for DDFIX.
http://www.thief-thecircle.com/media/patches/

3. Single processor. If you have dual or more CPUs, or if you have hyperthreading enabled, you must make Thief 2 run on only one processor.

First test it with Process Manager. Start the game but do not start a mission (the main graphics). Hit CTRL-ALT-DEL and select Process Manager. Select the Processes tab and scroll find thief2.exe. Right click on thief2.exe, and set its affinity to one CPU. Then return to Thief (icon on task bar), start a mission, and play for a while. If it works, then make a backup of your EXE and make it permanent using imagecfg.
http://www.thief-thecircle.com/guides/hyperthreading/

4. safe_texture_manager bug. If you have an Nvidia video card, edit USER.CFG and remove the semicolon from the line
;safe_texture_manager

5. Movies. Register the Indeo codecs so movies play reliably. In rare cases this must be repeated before each execution. This can be done using a BAT file containing a "regsvr32" command as described in the link below or using DDFIX (see below).
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75031#movies

6. DDFIX. After you get it working, consider installing the DDFIX patch for 32 bit rendering and no resolution switching with menus and books.
http://timeslip.chorrol.com/ddfix.html.

DDFIX is necessary to get decent rendering of Thief 2 with any Direct X 10 card (Nvidia 8800 series or later or ATI 2900 series or later). It has useful side benefits for all cards. For some recent Nvidia cards (e.g., 8800 GT), you have to install DDFIX before it will run. DDFIX also has an option to take care of the Indeo codec registration, and it automatically takes care of the affinity, so it is a good way to go.

I suggest that you try to make Thief run before applying DDFIX, because there may be other problems that need to be solved first. If you have issues making DDFIX work, there are probably solutions posted at TTLG:
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117616

Vista? There may be some additional things you need to do with Vista. I am not currently aware of them. Please respond with any additional fixes you find necessary and successful. I'll add useful ones to this initial post.

Re-released versions. There may be additional problems associated with re-released versions such as Sold-Out or Steam. I am not currently aware of these problems or how to fix them. Please post any additional fixes you know will work. My advice is to stick to the original release versions if you can find them.

goldsla
13th Jul 2008, 15:01
The advice given here and at

http://www.johnanthonycurran.com/gamemods.html#thief EDIT: John Curran rearranged his site. the correct link is now: http://www.johnanthonycurran.com/thief.html

worked splendidly for me when re-installing T2 on a new machine (64 bit Vista with 4 processors). The only "trouble" I had was with DDFIX; I had to manually hex edit Thief.exe to get it hooked up. Not hard, once I downloaded a hex editor for Vista, but it would have been nice if the GUI installer had worked. But what a difference in the graphics with DDFIX! The hex editor that I found & liked was: Hex Editor Neo (http://www.hhdsoftware.com/Products/home/hex-editor-free.html)

Also of note, GarrettLoader installed and works just fine with no mods in Vista. I also like how GarrettLoader now points you to the right places to download FM scripts. I don't remember that from before. Thanks!

The steps I followed:

1) I did a clean install from the newest copy of Thief 2 that I have from SoldOut Software. I just bought it this year at Amazon (it has both T1 and T2 on it) as a backup for my older copy (also from SoldOut). This CD claimed to be Vista Compatible. It did install with no problems, but Thief did not run cleanly and locked up.

2) My version was up to date, so no need to patch. I used imagecfg after backing up my exe. That worked well enough to let me run the program, but the graphics were horrible.

3) Since I have 2 NVIDIA GeForce 8800 cards, I was expecting great graphics. Editing USER.CFG to un-comment (remove semicolon) from the ";safe_texture_manager" line made things better, but still not great.

4) I then decided to try the Thief 2 patched exe (http://johnanthonycurran.com/mods/thief2.zip) from John Curran's site. I backed up my exe again, and switched in the moded version. It worked. Hard too tell if it fixed anything I had not already fixed. But it works fine.

5) Next, I went to Timeslip's DDFIX webpage (http://timeslip.chorrol.com/ddfix.html) and picked up the GUI version. I read the readme file included in the zip file (I used 7-zip (http://www.7-zip.org/) to expand the .7z file, though I suppose WinRar should work also). Unfortunately, the GUI did not work. Either it is not Vista compatible or not multi-core compatible or something else. In any event I then followed the Manual installation instructions and had no further problems. This is what my DDFIX.ini looks like after my edits:

[Main]
;Screen resolution
;Must be 800x600 or greater
gWidth=1024
gHeight=768

;Refresh rate. 0 is default, anything else to override.
RefreshRate=0

;Set to 1 to fix the duel core related crash
MultiCoreFix=1

;Set to 1 to automatically register lgvid.ax each time thief is started up
VideoFix=0

;This can be set to zero to get a more accurate z-buffer
;Doesn't usually make a noticable difference to picture quality
UseCompatibleZBuffer=0

;Turns on the 32 bit texture loader and adds support for some unsupported screen resolutions
;Will cause a crash if used with an unsupported exe
; 0 - Disable
; 1 - Determine exe automatically
; 2 - Thief 2 v1.18
Thief2Extensions=1

;Set to 1 to disable the windows keys while thief is running
DisableWindowsKey=0

;Set to 1 to enable anisotropic filtering
AnisotropicFiltering=0

;If you want to share overriden textures between thief installations, uncomment the next line
;It should contain the absolute path to the equivilent of \res\ddfix, including the trailing \
;TexturePath=C:\Games\Thief2\res\ddfix\

;XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
;XX Compatibility settings XX
;XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

;Changes the way direct writes to the frontbuffer are handled
;SS2 players should set these options to '2' and '0xf81f' respectively
;Thief 2 players with corrupted in game text should use '2' and '0x0000'
;Players who experience slowdown with UseSysMemOverlay=2 should set both options to 0
UseSysMemOverlay=2
OverlayColourKey=0xf81f

I then edited cam.cfg to have the same screen resolution as DDFIX.ini. With all this done, my graphics were looking good, but no movies!

6) Finally I installed the updated Indeo codec (version 5.11). The weekend I did all this, both ttlg and Thief-thecircle were down. so I googled it, found the updated codec and installed it. To tell the truth, I don't recall which site I used to download it from. There are several. The one I chose claimed to be certified virus free, and seemed to be telling the truth.

That's it. Now all I need to do is pick up the enhanced texture pack I remember being released earlier this year or late last.

I could not have done it without the great advice by Peter (above) and John Anthony Curran. Thanks!

Peter_Smith
15th Jul 2008, 00:37
This is great stuff, Goldsla. Thanks. :)

abiallan007
16th Oct 2008, 19:11
cool post but requires a lot of patience :rasp: :lol:

jtr7
4th Dec 2008, 05:18
Head's up, gang! Timeslip's site is down--hopefully temporarily. The taffers over at TTLG are presently working on getting the DDFix patch and instructions hosted elsewhere, so get ready for alternative links, if they are needed.


http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1796076#post1796076

clayman
19th Jan 2009, 23:27
I have read this sticky and the other for Thief 1 and need some help. Or someone to talk me out of the apparent herculean effort required to get this working. Or just a knife to slit my wrists. :o

I bought a laptop for clayboy #1 for Christmas and he's anxious to get Thief installed. I've not even attempted all this technical stuff yet, just reading and getting more confused the more links I click on.

There is no "evident" Run command in Vista to even try the / lgntforce command, and the error message I get as I attempt to install is as follows :

"This product cannot be installed on Windows NT due to Microsoft DirectX (TM) limitation."

His system info is as follows :

HP G60 Notebook
Vista Service Pack 1
AMD Turion Dual-Core 32 bit RM-70 2.0 ghtz
3 gb memory
NVIDIA GeForce 8200 M G video card

The best late Christmas present I could give the boy would be a fully functional Thief 1 and 2 with all 800 FMs. All these steps, fixes, patches, links etc. have me thoroughly confused. Can someone dumb this down for an old, crotchety Thief ? :rolleyes:

Thanks for any help you can give me.

goldsla
19th Jan 2009, 23:43
1) click Start
2) where it says 'Start Search' in gray text type "cmd" and it will open a command window.
3) That should get you past the "There is no "evident" Run command in Vista ... " issue.

Or you could create a bat file with the text D:\setup.exe -lgntforce in it and double click on it (assuming your CD drive is D: )

I had no trouble installing Thief to Vista ... I vaguely recall reading something about "This product cannot be installed on Windows NT due to Microsoft DirectX (TM) limitation." on some forum, this one or a more general one. Have you tried googling that message? you saw this (http://forums.eidosgames.com/archive/index.php/t-13451.html), right?

... I remember now:
I did a clean install from the newest copy of Thief 2 that I have from SoldOut Software. I just bought it this year at Amazon (it has both T1 and T2 on it) as a backup for my older copy (also from SoldOut). This CD claimed to be Vista Compatible. It did install with no problems, but Thief did not run cleanly and locked up.

Your old CDs may not be Vista Compatable. Buying new ones from Amazon (or someone) that are Vista compatible may be the ticket. The one I bought had both T2 and T1 Gold. My Deadly Shadows CD gets little use, but it installed just fine without being replaced. Just make sure the ad for the CD says Vista Compatable in the text.

Don't be put off by the steps above to get Thief working. It might take all of 20 minutes once you have the pieces assembled (the hex editor, 7-zip, DDFIX, Indeo codec, etc.). It really is easy, if scary. But Thief is supposed to be scary, no?

Hope this helps. PM me if you need more than can be discussed here.

clayman
19th Jan 2009, 23:50
Confused still. So someone has reverse-engineered Thief (i.e. the PIRATE word comes to mind) to make it work with Vista ?

I own original 3 copies of Thief 1 and 2 and they are looking at me from the shelf right now, so I know I'm able to comfortably install this on Clayboy 1's PC with no piracy worries. But ordering add'l copies from someone else has me worried ? Or am I just not drinking enough tonight ? ;)

Clayboy 1 is officially on the forum as of 10 minutes ago. Another generation of Thieves (hopefully).

goldsla
19th Jan 2009, 23:55
Sold-Out software is not pirated software. They have a license to sell it. They have upgraded the installation side of the CDs to install on Vista. It really was cheap enough. But you may not need that if you can get to run the setup.exe with -lgntforce. I edited my message above. Try either route and see if it works.


.... also this (http://www.neilstuff.com/thief/install-on-2000-xp.htm)

goldsla
20th Jan 2009, 00:04
So someone has reverse-engineered Thief (i.e. the PIRATE word comes to mind) to make it work with Vista ? Well, stricly speaking, DDFIX might fall into the category of a bit of reverse engineering. I didn't write it, so I don't know what was involved. But I don't think anyone sees it as a hack, like removing copy protection, and you have to have a copy of Thief 2 to use it. So it is not piracy. It just enhances what you bought and makes it possible to run on a modern machine.

Peter_Smith
20th Jun 2009, 00:44
I have deleted several posts from people who asked questions here in spite of the request in the top post. Please make another thread for questions. It's fine to give further technical information here, such as the following post about Vista.

Venometal
27th Jun 2009, 20:52
Wow listen here, I even got full positional 5.1 surround sound and EAX possibility in Vista! All you have to do is add the game manually to creative Alchemy. You can do this by opening Alchemy and clicking "add" or something similar, I use the Dutch version so I don't know what the buttons are called exactly in English.

Anyway, when you clicked "add" you get a dialog box where you can type in a title, it doesn't really matter what you type here as long as you can make out to yourself that what you're gonna insert is Thief 2. Then type in (or paste) the path to your game's install folder, e.g. C:\Program Files\Thief2 under the option "use game path". Don't select the "install in subfolder" option. I don't know what exactly the settings underneath the game path do, I just left them as they were, but I checked the box that reads "Disable Direct Music". After you've done this and you clicked "OK" to close the dialog box you will see it in the left column, just click on it and click on the arrow that points to the right between the two columns. Alchemy should now put some files in the game's directory and your entry should now appear in the right column. Just close Alchemy and start up the game!

That's the way it works for me, I can now alter the EAX option in the game's audio options menu, where it was grayed out before. Also I don't seem to remember the "Ambient Volume" slider was there before I put Thief 2 into Alchemy, so I think that's new too, but I could be wrong. All the sound is now real high quality, and fully working with positional surround sound, I have a 5.1 system :) Oh, and I'd consider putting the ambient volume slider not too high, because in my case it has quite a lot of bass output which is disturbing at times.

The above process might also work for Thief/Thief gold but I don't have that game. In that case you would just have to change the game directory to where the original Thief is installed.

Thanks Eidos for helping me set up my game to work on a modern computer!! The game absolutely rocks as it has very unique gameplay and those graphics feel really old school :) Also thanks to Creative for making Alchemy to compensate the sound system rebuild in Vista! I never expected it would work this good :) I hope my reply will help other people get the experience from the game fully as it was intended ;)

Peter_Smith
28th Jun 2009, 16:33
Thanks Eidos for helping me set up my game to work on a modern computer!! The game absolutely rocks as it has very unique gameplay and those graphics feel really old school :) Also thanks to Creative for making Alchemy to compensate the sound system rebuild in Vista! I never expected it would work this good :) I hope my reply will help other people get the experience from the game fully as it was intended ;)

Actually, Eidos has not helped at all. The information here is provided by players like you and I. Thanks go to many people at TTLG who helped to provide the information I compiled.

As for Eidos, since they seem to have no interest in maintaining the code, they should release the source so the games can be fixed by the people who enjoy them.

Venometal
28th Jun 2009, 17:01
Actually, Eidos has not helped at all. The information here is provided by players like you and I. Thanks go to many people at TTLG who helped to provide the information I compiled.

As for Eidos, since they seem to have no interest in maintaining the code, they should release the source so the games can be fixed by the people who enjoy them.

Oh, but I thought you were from Eidos since you were a moderator :) But you know what I mean. I've used both your post and the FAQ on TTLG although that one did not mention DDfix which I really needed as I have a Geforce 8800GT card. So thanks to you then ;)

LordGervasius
4th Jul 2009, 14:11
Using these instructions I was able to get thief 2 to work flawlessly on a windows 7 release candidate with an nvidia 9800.
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Cold0ne
15th Aug 2009, 04:39
The only issues left now are the too-quickly moving water texture effects on modern systems (even with limiting the refresh rate to 60), and of course the missing fog/weather effects from newer video cards.

Edit:
Nevermind, the fog works, and it creates a bright sky which looks like day time, but this is normal from what I've read even on old machines when the game came out. Somehow I remember playing that map on an old machine where the level Life of the Party has some fog effects, but the sky isn't white. Not sure now if it was a hack or what but it looked more proper.

goldsla
29th Oct 2010, 14:27
To People Who Want to ASK QUESTIONS:

As Peter says


The purpose of this thread is to list verified fixes that are necessary to make Thief 2 run on modern computers (Windows 2000 or later). Please do not use this thread to ask questions. Please start another thread for questions. If you find any errors in the following or suggested improvements, please post them here.


I have deleted several posts from people who asked questions here in spite of the request in the top post. Please make another thread for questions. It's fine to give further technical information here ...

That said, if you want to ask questions in ANOTHER THREAD, please keep the following in mind:

Could you be specific?

1st what is your system configuration, both the version of OS and and the hardware with particular attention to the number of CPUs, manufacturer(s) and model(s) of sound card(s) and graphics card(s).

2nd EXACTLY what did you do when installing Thief and which Thief game(s) / version(s) did you install?

3rd what Thief game and mission were you playing and what happened? Be specific about the failure. Does it happen with all the original missions or just a single fan mission? Are you playing through DarkLoader or GarrettLoader, or directly executing the Thief .exe?

The more specific information you provide, the more likely that someone who visits here will be able to spot the problem and offer advice. Without specifics, you might as well not post.

Refer to this thread: Please provide system information and feedback (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=71616).

sarielv
21st Mar 2011, 23:09
I just wanted to add a little bit about my experience with installing on Windows 7 with a dual core processor. I copied a full install over from Windows Media Center (some version of 2000 or XP for laptops) and ran it with Win 2000 compatibility mode. For about 3 minutes, it worked beautifully. Then it locked up. After restarting, I tried to set the affinity, but Win 7 refused to do it while the game was running. The permanent fix took care of it, however.

I've seen some advice out on the web to use Win XP compatibility. The game was released in 2000, so I'd say this wouldn't work too well, if at all.

zoomer
1st Nov 2011, 13:07
tried installing thief 2 on windows 7 RC1 64-bit on a dual core laptop with an 8600M GS. It works fine, but the game froze shortly after entering the first level. i installed 1.18 patch and it doesnt recognize my CD.

goldsla
2nd Nov 2011, 16:50
Try Tafferpatcher (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131106).

adam6
15th Nov 2011, 09:07
It took a while to read and I still can't figure out if I can get Thief to work on windows 7. Any help?

____________________________________
Adam Laptop Reviewer
toshiba satellite a215 (www.best-gaminglaptop.net/toshiba-satellite-a215)

goldsla
15th Nov 2011, 18:19
Um, follow the instructions provided on the Tafferpatcher (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131106) thread, particularly the section labeled "How To".

Rockn-Roll
25th Nov 2011, 07:26
If the game is running on Windows 7, but freezes and you tried to change the affinity but it says Access Denied then you just need to click the button at the bottom of the processes tab in Task Manager which says "Show processes from all users". Here's the full step that I posted in the Thief 1 thread:

8. Press CTRL-ALT-DEL and select Start Task Manager.
8a. Select the Processes tab.
8b. Click the button at the bottom which says Show processes from all users. If you don't do this then you will get a message Access Denied when attempting to set the Affinity.
8c. Right click on thief2.exe and select Set Affinity.
8d. Uncheck <All Processors> then check one of them, for example CPU 0.
8e. Right click on THIEF2.ICD and select Set Affinity.
8f. Uncheck <All Processors> then check one of them, for example CPU 0.
8g. Click OK.

The best thing about this is that it does not alter the executable file.

I've posted the code for an application which can do this automatically (without changing the executable file like imagecfg or DDFIX) Here: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showpost.php?p=1710699&postcount=28

If someone can host the file then I'll build an executable to share.

Peter_Smith
25th Nov 2011, 23:15
Thanks, Rockn-Roll. As explained in my comment to the T1 thread, you ought to be able to make the affinity change permanent with imagecfg.

dangamoose
6th Dec 2011, 11:21
Thank you for these instructions they do still work nowadays :) as i installed Public Liability Insurance (http://www.publicliabilityinsurance.org.uk/) yesterday using this thread and it seems to be working fine!!

Raphael Pheonix
28th Jan 2012, 03:26
Hi there,

Im a little new to this whole edit this edit that stuff, im good with computers, i follow the instructions u laid out specifically, but still cant run the thief or thief 2, please can someone literally talk me through this step by step, i know im asking alot but when im physically directed through something i can pick it up fairly quickly, please help me

:confused::mad2:

many thanks
rapha

p.s ive been at this for the last two hours, and its driving me kookoo, hope i can get helped as i really love these games, and want to complete them before unwrapping my xmas pressie i got off my dad this year which is thief 3

goldsla
28th Jan 2012, 03:51
Try TafferPatcher (http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131106).

Sargaeras
26th Aug 2012, 19:10
My problem is that once I go through cmd (-lgntforce approach) it doesn't do anything, neither do autorun/setup from CD folder in Win explorer. I've waited for 2 hours for something to happenand still no improvement

machine:
intel core 2 duo 2.26 GHz
ATI radeon mobility HD 3430
3GB RAM
Win 7 32-bit (tried with 64-bit a while back, no change)

help pls!

Pijalonapede
2nd Oct 2012, 18:05
Hey I'm Sean & I need help getting Thief 2 to run on my HP G60 445DX Notebook.
Here are my specs:

1. OS = Windows Vista Home Premium Service Pack 2
2. Processor = 2.20 Gigahertz AMD Turion Dual-Core RM-75
3. Video = NVIDIA GeForce 8200M
4. RAM = 3 GB's
5. Sound = NVIDIA HDMI Audio / Driver Version 1.0.0.51

The installation went fine, but when attempting to load game, it gets stuck on a black screen and I have to force it to shut down. I tried to make the game play using one processor but it denies my request. I tried running DDFix and it tells me my drivers need to be DirectX6 or higher which I thought they were. I bought this game for $3.95 online and the seller directed me here after I asked for help.

Thanks in advance, I really don't want to return this awesome game back!
P.S. If I can call someone it would really help speed up the process

R_Soul
3rd Oct 2012, 11:04
Someone released an unofficial patch that should make it run on almost anything - without DDFix or any other external program:
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140085

Pijalonapede
4th Oct 2012, 03:22
I greatly appreciate it R Soul, I'm gonna give it a try right now! I'll let you know if it works out or not . . .

Pijalonapede
4th Oct 2012, 04:47
And what do you know, I followed the instructions and within an hour I got it to work finally! Thanks again man, I was close to giving up on this game, thankfully I didn't! :)

John Currran
14th Jan 2013, 09:50
For anyone who doesn't have the time and patience to go through all the available patches to figure out what the heck to do, I've done that for you and updated my Thief 2 install instructions to a much simpler process than in years gone by:
http://www.johnanthonycurran.com/thief.html

Specifically, The $9.99 version available from GOG plus the t2_v119.zip patch works wonders. Gory details on my site anyway.

Cheers!

Peter_Smith
14th Jan 2013, 18:49
Thanks, John. You are absolutely correct. Thanks also for the link to your web site. I have modified the initial post to reflect this information.

1.19 solves essentially all problems with T2 in one easy installation. It also removes many of the old limitations on number of objects, etc., so FMs can be made larger and more reliable, without video artifacts and crashes. FMs are starting to come out now that require 1.19, so you might as well use it if you are an avid Thief player.

INS Division 6
8th Feb 2013, 22:49
Okay I used the patches to get T2 running on windows 7, but my old save files that were backed up on a portable hard drive (that were created on the old computer with the older windows) do not work now. I can get into the load save game section from the main menu, but when I try to load a save, it says "Load Failed" does anyone know how to fix this, or are my old saves no good with the new patches. I would hate to have to start all over from scratch :mad2:

Peter_Smith
11th Feb 2013, 21:27
Okay I used the patches to get T2 running on windows 7, but my old save files that were backed up on a portable hard drive (that were created on the old computer with the older windows) do not work
I am using Windows XP. I haven't tried it in Windows 7. Here is what I know and have verified (with XP) about compatibility of save files, which should be independent of OS.

I hope that by "patches" you are referring to the patches that result in updating T2 to version 1.19, as described at the top of the first post. If not, then I think you ought to abandon all other patches and go straight to 1.19, or New Dark. This is simple and automatic after you do a clean install T2. The following describes the situation of save files in version 1.19 vs. 1.18.

If you have a mission that was developed using the original dromed based on T2 version 1.18, a save file from that mission will open using either 1.18 (original patched T2) or 1.19 (New Dark). This is true regardless of which version of T2 you were using when you generated the save file, that is, the 1.19 writes the save file in the original format. If you have a mission that was developed using the 1.19 version of dromed, it cannot be played with 1.18, and its save files, necessarily written using 1.19, will not open using 1.18 because the 1.19 dromed changes the information in the save file. The errors you get in these cases are "unhandled exceptions."

If your save files were generated using a version of T2 that is older than 1.18 (e.g., originally shipped version of T2), you may be out of luck. I converted to 1.18 in year 2000, and I have loaded OM save files that old with 1.19, no problem.

I don't think running in Win 7 should change this, but I am not sure because I haven't tried it. Lots of people are using Win 7, and I have not heard about a problem with save files. Search the following site for further information about Win 7 compatibility:
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=81

You may want to start here for discussion of 1.19
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140088

Another thing you might look at is display resolution. Lack of compatibility of resolution can affect the way the game plays or not. Try changing the resolution of your display and also the resolution within T2 1.19 to be the same as what you had before. Once you get it running, you can change it back and it should work.

This thread is intended only for describing fixes to make T2 run on modern computers, not for user questions on same. If you find a fix to your problem and it is relevant to the subject of this thread, please post it here. I am curious, and others may have the same problem. You should start a new thread for technical discussions of these and other topics, like Win 7.

INS Division 6
3rd Mar 2013, 00:16
Thanks for the help so far, my T2 is the 1.18 upgraded with the patch to make it 1.19. I have tried the resolution and that had no effect. These saves I have were created while using the "door unlock" cheat that required some text mods to the dark.cfg file. Could that have anything to do with the save game files not loading? I have tried to put that unlock cheat back on the new patched (1.19) to see if this is the case, but my computer will not allow me to save the changed dark.cfg file and tells me I need admin approval (didn't have this problem at all when working on the old laptop).

Peter_Smith
4th Mar 2013, 19:50
As I said (please read), start a new thread for this discussion. I do not know the answer. Check TTLG.