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Flowen
18th Jan 2008, 23:10
In honor of Winter-een-mas, I'd like to throw something out there in hopes that it will be for the greater good.

I'd like to encourage you to spend this gamer holiday revisiting the Deus Ex series one-on-one. Not reminiscing or complaining to each other about how amazing the first one or bad the second one was, but actually going back and revisiting the works themselves. Consider taking notes this time, and really evaluating your reaction to the games. Yes, both of them. Give both a fair chance and keep track of what you enjoyed and loathed while it's still fresh in your mind. Maybe you'll find that even though you didn't like the second game as much, there's something you think should stay in for the next game. Maybe you liked it when you found that one legendary weapon that helped you so much. Or you liked the concept of the illegal mods, but were disappointed that installing them didn't come with a heftier penalty during game play.

Since you've been through the games before, consider sprucing up your experience with a challenge. Maybe you want to beat the game on hardcore mode for the first time after shying away from it in the past. Or you want to see if you can make it through using the flamethrower almost exclusively. Maybe you want to frustrate the heck out of yourself and never take up hacking and see how that effects the game. Or try using melee weapons only. Get creative... you might encounter an aspect of gameplay that you had never considered before. And you might be surprised.

Don't forget to report back here as well. Maybe these play-thrus will yield interesting stories, or aspects of the plot you had never considered before. Even general observations and reactions to replaying the games are welcome. Hopefully revisiting this wonderful series with a playful and observant perspective will inform our opinions about the next game better, as well as simply being enjoyable gaming time.

Now that my installation is done, my personal challenge will be to beat Deus Ex using only the flamethrower and melee weapons.

May the games begin.

jordan_a
19th Jan 2008, 00:01
Maybe you want to beat the game on hardcore mode for the first time after shying away from it in the past. Or you want to see if you can make it through using the flamethrower almost exclusively. Maybe you want to frustrate the heck out of yourself and never take up hacking and see how that effects the game. Or try using melee weapons only. Get creative... you might encounter an aspect of gameplay that you had never considered before. And you might be surprised.
Hi and welcome! These are good ideas but I'm sure many (if not all :lol: ) of us have already done that. And I'd seriously consider waiting for the final release of the HDTP mod before revisiting the first DX.

B0b_P@ge
19th Jan 2008, 03:27
In honor of Winter-een-mas, I'd like to throw something out there in hopes that it will be for the greater good.

I'd like to encourage you to spend this gamer holiday revisiting the Deus Ex series one-on-one. Not reminiscing or complaining to each other about how amazing the first one or bad the second one was, but actually going back and revisiting the works themselves. Consider taking notes this time, and really evaluating your reaction to the games. Yes, both of them. Give both a fair chance and keep track of what you enjoyed and loathed while it's still fresh in your mind. Maybe you'll find that even though you didn't like the second game as much, there's something you think should stay in for the next game. Maybe you liked it when you found that one legendary weapon that helped you so much. Or you liked the concept of the illegal mods, but were disappointed that installing them didn't come with a heftier penalty during game play.

Since you've been through the games before, consider sprucing up your experience with a challenge. Maybe you want to beat the game on hardcore mode for the first time after shying away from it in the past. Or you want to see if you can make it through using the flamethrower almost exclusively. Maybe you want to frustrate the heck out of yourself and never take up hacking and see how that effects the game. Or try using melee weapons only. Get creative... you might encounter an aspect of gameplay that you had never considered before. And you might be surprised.

Don't forget to report back here as well. Maybe these play-thrus will yield interesting stories, or aspects of the plot you had never considered before. Even general observations and reactions to replaying the games are welcome. Hopefully revisiting this wonderful series with a playful and observant perspective will inform our opinions about the next game better, as well as simply being enjoyable gaming time.

Now that my installation is done, my personal challenge will be to beat Deus Ex using only the flamethrower and melee weapons.

May the games begin.

Hi,

This holiday I played Deus Ex 1 through (first time in 8 years) realistic setting and melee and the game style was so incredibly different. The healing augment mod was -literally- useless, I hardly used it, if even at all. All I did was turn on 'bullet shield', 'melee strength' and sneaked behind players and killed them, also, I was amazed at how extremely useful 'aqualung' was, I found myself using it in so many more situations then I first realized I could. I played Dx 8 years ago when I was a young teenager and A LOT has changed since then (mainly me), I got a lot smarter and experienced a lot more to understand so much subtleties, so much stuff that I never found that it felt like I played Dx1 for the very first time (And I beat dx 3 times 8years ago).

Also, I can't imagine how huge/ rich in detail Hong Kong was from when I last played, I explored so much of it and it was so wonderful, I loved all the conversations (especially the engrish ones - I found myself laugh so much more at this now then 8years ago), I loved talking to everyone there and putting the story line together, even the people who talked in mandarin where awesome; moreover, the funniest thing was the bar in Hong Kong, 8years ago I didn't understand very much of what was happening, but after 8 years passed I had lots of time to experience the scene to know whats going on and after playing through it again... wow.... I laughed so hard at all the stuff that happened, they really made it good and even properly touched some cultural issues (Asians leaving for study abroad and coming back and feeling different). I also discovered something hilarious though, if you hire this dancer from mamasan to be your escort and you take her to the washroom, she gives you a pretty hilerious reaction (cuz it implies you want to have sex with her).

Overall the game felt so complete, so perfect... just radiating pure raw brilliance... you know the stuff that changes the world like E=mc^2. The people who made this game perfectly captured the 90's zeitgeist of the time. You know, playing it now... I'm amazed at what a great game it is. Definitely the greatest game I have ever played.

Just to conclude my rant: I chose the helios ending because it was so perfect. But the game style was so completely different, so alien, but so incredibly fun... I could go on record of saying that Deus Ex1 is the best melee fighting game ever :lmao:

Flowen
19th Jan 2008, 03:34
Perhaps I should clarify.

1] Winter-een-mas

2] Reminiscing on a game to give suggestions as to what ought change in the next iteration is dangerous. Have you ever remembered an old game fondly, and then replayed it and had it not live up to what you remember? Obviously not a problem with Deus Ex, but it illustrates the point that the facts of what something is and is not become muddled over time. That is to say one only remembers the bad or good out of an experience instead of both. For instance, in the little replaying I've done thus far today I remembered something that bothered me greatly about DX1 that I had forgotten: the fact that the run silent upgrade is useless because you can just get the speed upgrade and crouch to make no sound, thus getting both upgrades instead of making a truly impactful choice.


Also, yes the HDTP mod's cool, but it's not going to affect gameplay. Furthermore, who knows when it'll be out?

gamer0004
19th Jan 2008, 10:03
I've finished Deus Ex with no items (that go in your inventory, so you can pick up crates etc.), augs or skills.
I'm now trying to beat DX:IW with no items or augs. I've reached Trier. I've set free Nicolette and am now trying to steal the sequencing module.
I've posted the first few missions on the planetdeusex forum:
http://forumplanet.gamespy.com/Boards/Message.aspx?brd=49372&topic=19622405&page=1

SageSavage
19th Jan 2008, 10:05
Also, yes the HDTP mod's cool, but it's not going to affect gameplay. Furthermore, who knows when it'll be out?Soon but it won't come complete with the new character models.

Flowen
20th Jan 2008, 04:33
No items?! that's possible? lol! So what do you do then, since guns go in inventory... survive solely on TNT crates and hacked turrets?

Going through again, I'm remembering how much I loved the pressure of hacking in the first game. To be fair, I don't particularly remember how it was in the second game, but I loved how in DX if you were a fast typist and had good memory you could pull off some crazy stunts. An example might be operating a console while someone's back was turned to make all the nearby turrets wreak havoc on the chump that was about to turn around and find you. Or hacking the turret outside the statue in the first level to fight the robot patrolling around.

Now on with the flamethrowing!

Grant_Weaver
20th Jan 2008, 06:33
I've personally found that just beating the game with melee weapons is extremely easy. With dragon tooth sword and melee dmg mod you can kill MJ12 mech troops in one attack. Activate speed mod and you can take down whole rooms of troops in seconds. Building your character around the DTS is probably the easiest way to beat Realistic.

Hell, even with the baton you can knock people out in one attack in the first level if you hit them in the back of the neck. Just crouch and scoot up behind them and right when you get close stand up and swing.

jordan_a
20th Jan 2008, 10:52
DTS
What is it?

Hell, even with the baton you can knock people out in one attack in the first level if you hit them in the back of the neck.Well, this is how it is irl too. :D

Red
20th Jan 2008, 11:10
Dragon Tooth Sword.

gamer0004
20th Jan 2008, 11:16
No items?! that's possible? lol! So what do you do then, since guns go in inventory... survive solely on TNT crates and hacked turrets?

Yes, using no weapons. You can either sneak past enemies, sometimes (but that's very rarely) let the turrets attack their own people (as you've got to find the login and password for the security panel, because you don't have any skills) or blow them up with TNT crates.
Oh, and sometimes you jump on their head or throw crates on top of their head - but the latter takes an awful lot of time. You have to do it twice, once to an NSF trooper and once to an MJ-12 commando. The NSF guy took like 8 throws, and the MJ-12 commando... 30? Really hard to do. Read Alginon's topic http://forumplanet.gamespy.com/general_deus_ex_discussion/b49372/14593517/p1/?850 , he's the genius behind the DX no-item run.

BTW, jumping on enemies can come in really handy - I found out it's the ideal way to take out greasels. They're easy to jump on and can't hit you if you run fast enough.

Flowen
20th Jan 2008, 20:54
So I remembered another weird thing...when you log on to Paul's mail in his apartment, one of the e-mails is from 'SweetCharity', and it appears to be a letter from a lover. Did I miss something, or is this touched on nowhere else in the game?

AaronJ
20th Jan 2008, 21:08
The e-mail is the only indication of Paul's love life.