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jordan_a
4th Jan 2008, 13:12
Hi everyone!

What do you think about joining us on Facebook?

Facebook / Group: Eidos Montréal - Deus Ex 3 (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=13382638259)

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9631/sanstitresd3.jpg

I hope I'll see you there ! :D

SageSavage
4th Jan 2008, 13:18
Not interested.

Harakiribert
4th Jan 2008, 14:22
Not interested.

+++

B0b_P@ge
29th Feb 2008, 00:26
Under facebook, search
"Crazy Deus Ex Fans"

500++ users so far :)

Gary_Savage
29th Feb 2008, 02:06
Under facebook, search
"Crazy Deus Ex Fans"

500++ users so far :)

While this is great for those of us who are actually on Facebook, I like it here because here we have the audience of the developers and the modders.

Keir
12th Mar 2008, 15:09
I'm in :)

jordan_a
20th Apr 2008, 14:45
Thanks, mate.

Tracer Tong
20th Apr 2008, 18:44
I'm in :)
:eek:

jordan_a
20th Apr 2008, 20:47
:eek:
:scratch:

Tracer Tong
20th Apr 2008, 20:54
:scratch:

First time an Eidos Admin posts in this forum. So people DO read [y]our measly little meaningless posts. (except from the "favourite site" thread)

Joseph Manderley's Corpse
20th Apr 2008, 23:29
Isn't facebook.com for 12 year old girls?

Tracer Tong
21st Apr 2008, 21:32
Isn't facebook.com for 12 year old girls?

Very mistaken you are. It's one of the better things that has happened to the internet recently... Plus, most of my friends have one (and they are aged 19-27)

Joseph Manderley's Corpse
21st Apr 2008, 23:00
Very mistaken you are. It's one of the better things that has happened to the internet recently... Plus, most of my friends have one (and they are aged 19-27)

I must be thinking of myspace.

Gary_Savage
22nd Apr 2008, 00:54
You probably are, though Facebook, too, is looking more and more kiddish, lately... I still prefer it to MySpace, though. The "Crazy Deus Ex fans" group, on Facebook, has some interesting threads, related to gameplay.

pHdeus
22nd Apr 2008, 10:49
I will take a look at the Facebook site as well.

... And this Forum may be the more important discussion.

René
4th Jul 2008, 12:09
Something was posted by someone in the Facebook group last night.

A cookie to the first person to find it...

Tsumaru
4th Jul 2008, 12:34
Myspace was always for 12 year old girls and emos. Then for some reason, people of greater ages started using it - although only those who still had the mentality and intellect of 12 year old girls.

Facebook started off as Myspace for more mature people, and in particular revolving around college students and graduates. Plus everything about it is basically implemented a lot better. However, for some bizarre reason, the 12 year old girls have been making the switch to Facebook. Which is unfortunate.

Personally I signed up to Myspace only to stop getting email invites from everyone, and to Facebook because when I'm bored I play the embedded games - like Texas Holdem and whatnot. Or Scrubs trivia. It's basically just an easy, convenient place for me to access good time-wasters.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Jul 2008, 12:54
Umm, I've never really looked at Facebook but I am interested in taking a look at the Eidos group.
Is there a direct link, only I can't locate the site. Sorry, hehe. Thanks. :o

Oh and I don't think it is realistic for anyone to say that Facebook is just for 12 year old girls, lol. I've never looked but just using basic logic would suggest to me that there are all ages using that group. :cool:


Something was posted by someone in the Facebook group last night.
A cookie to the first person to find it...

Ooooh, I'd love a cookie! I just need to find out where to go first, hehe. :D

Kevyne-Shandris
4th Jul 2008, 13:43
Myspace was always for 12 year old girls and emos. Then for some reason, people of greater ages started using it - although only those who still had the mentality and intellect of 12 year old girls.

Facebook started off as Myspace for more mature people, and in particular revolving around college students and graduates. Plus everything about it is basically implemented a lot better. However, for some bizarre reason, the 12 year old girls have been making the switch to Facebook. Which is unfortunate.

Personally I signed up to Myspace only to stop getting email invites from everyone, and to Facebook because when I'm bored I play the embedded games - like Texas Holdem and whatnot. Or Scrubs trivia. It's basically just an easy, convenient place for me to access good time-wasters.

They're basically MMOs without the game. Folks like them because they can go wild with multimedia, and be a form of digital graffati "artist". Without the restrictions of a blog (like actually writing something meaningful!), it just evolved into an internet party line.

I wouldn't get caught on such sites, it would drive me crazy.

BTW, will the DX3 devs have a blog? The media is wild about that format, so it'll do more for the project and company to invest in that line of communication (RSS is so simple to keep up with, too!). The Slashdot effect also is publicity that can't be bought (besides it's the audience for this game). :)

René
4th Jul 2008, 14:54
I just need to find out where to go first, hehe. :D

Facebook / Group: Eidos Montréal - Deus Ex 3 (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=13382638259)

PS: I can't believe no one's found it yet!

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Jul 2008, 15:41
Thanks for the link. :)

OMFG!!!!!

Warren Spector and M. Harvey Smith have joined up!!!! :eek: :cool: :cool:

gamer0004
4th Jul 2008, 15:44
I don't have an account...
EDIT: is that it? And what's it supposed to be, a good thing or a bad thing?

Kevyne-Shandris
4th Jul 2008, 15:58
Warren Spector and M. Harvey Smith have joined up!!!! :eek: :cool: :cool:

Why wouldn't they? It's their "baby", and no doubt wanting to keep tabs, and see what "new blood" can do to raise it.

The game industry is a very insular group. Networking is how to survive.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Jul 2008, 16:05
I don't have an account...
EDIT: is that it? And what's it supposed to be, a good thing or a bad thing?
I have no idea if that is it... but worth a shot for an Eidos cookie! :D

Its a good thing, to me. :cool:

René
4th Jul 2008, 16:31
I have no idea if that is it... but worth a shot for an Eidos cookie! :D

Its a good thing, to me. :cool:

While definitely cool, that's not quite it!

Keep digging!

gamer0004
4th Jul 2008, 16:48
Ok, that's good news... I've registered and joined... Now bring it on.
*Wants cookie*

jcp28
4th Jul 2008, 16:49
Myspace was always for 12 year old girls and emos. Then for some reason, people of greater ages started using it - although only those who still had the mentality and intellect of 12 year old girls.

Facebook started off as Myspace for more mature people, and in particular revolving around college students and graduates. Plus everything about it is basically implemented a lot better. However, for some bizarre reason, the 12 year old girls have been making the switch to Facebook. Which is unfortunate.



While I'm sure you're just making some kind of hyperbole generalization, it does sound a bit misleading. A lot of the people that I know that use or have used MySpace were in high school. Of course, their maturity level wasn't superhigh by any means. I could care less about such things though. I just think such sites are good for meeting new people. However, I took my own MySpace down.

It doesn't really surprise me either that 12 year old girld are signing on to Facebook. They will go for pretty much any social networking site that's not spefically tailored to a certain group.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Jul 2008, 17:09
While definitely cool, that's not quite it!

Keep digging!

I'm digging! :D

Digging myself into the ground though. I can't see any 'something' that 'someone' posted only yesterday. I've checked the photos, the videos, the discussion boards, the news articles etc.

I'm going crazy.... Rene, you are so cruel!!! :mad2:

gamer0004
4th Jul 2008, 17:22
He probably just changed an icon or something like that.

Kevyne-Shandris
4th Jul 2008, 17:23
While I'm sure you're just making some kind of hyperbole generalization, it does sound a bit misleading. A lot of the people that I know that use or have used MySpace were in high school.

The thing is when I was in high school, if you were lucky to get onto a BBS, it was something (cost serious money then to even chat, as too often there wasn't a local one). Then you'd really felt isolated, as the community was for serious older geeks who could afford the phone bill!

Today such social sites give me the same ageness feeling, this time in reverse (socializing with possible jailbait also isn't very interesting).

Kevyne-Shandris
4th Jul 2008, 17:26
I'm digging! :D

Digging myself into the ground though. I can't see any 'something' that 'someone' posted only yesterday. I've checked the photos, the videos, the discussion boards, the news articles etc.

I'm going crazy.... Rene, you are so cruel!!! :mad2:

Notice the italics? Also notice no group mentioned?

Cruel, Rene, cruel if it's that joke! :lmao:

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Jul 2008, 17:30
He probably just changed an icon or something like that.
I checked those too... nothing. :)


Notice the italics? Also notice no group mentioned?

Cruel, Rene, cruel if it's that joke! :lmao:
And I checked under related groups. :)

René
4th Jul 2008, 18:49
I'm digging! :D

Digging myself into the ground though. I can't see any 'something' that 'someone' posted only yesterday. I've checked the photos, the videos, the discussion boards, the news articles etc.

I'm going crazy.... Rene, you are so cruel!!! :mad2:

Are you sure you checked all the videos? And you didn't see a certain someone post a comment? A certain someone who joined the group on June 22?

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Jul 2008, 19:02
OMG, yeah, found it!!!! :cool:



Warren Spector wrote
at 12:55am
Nice analysis! Probably deeper than we go through when we're MAKING games! ;)

As sad as it is not to be involved in making DX3, seeing this art (and the video analysis) makes me think it might actually be nice to be just a player -- I get to experience the mysteries along with the rest of you, for a change!

Kevyne-Shandris
4th Jul 2008, 19:13
OMG, yeah, found it!!!! :cool:

:(

Sad to know what he said too.

It's the fans that keeps a franchise alive by analysing the game to generate interest for others, but when the devs kill it by listening to everyone else and/or in the persuit of technology to sell the game, the fans are even out of an analysis. Then the interest dies along with the franchise.

A part wants to love everything Spector did; a part wants to make him that rubber chicken in the closet. E-v-i-l genius he is.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Jul 2008, 19:45
Rene, do I get my Eidos cookie now? Please... :p

René
4th Jul 2008, 20:34
Rene, do I get my Eidos cookie now? Please... :p

It's in the mail. Please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery. Note that by then you might not want to eat it. Or if you try, it will likely shatter your teeth.

Seriously though, it is pretty cool that M.Spector is keeping an eye on us!

Lady_Of_The_Vine
4th Jul 2008, 21:14
^
In that case, may I ask for something a little less fragile instead... like an Eidos badge. ;)

Yeah, it is cool that Mr Spector is watching with interest. :cool:

AaronJ
5th Jul 2008, 02:37
I'm still recovering, but my first thought was:


I can picture it now. It will be funny when while playing through this game, if it actually turns a prequel, he just gets so confused, finding all these things that don't make sense. "Where the hell did that come from?" "No, that's not right!" "what the hell does this have to do with JC?" "this completely destroys the continuity of the first game. DX is ruined. Bury this."

Something like that.

gamer0004
5th Jul 2008, 08:59
Which would make DX3 a great game, as he thought DX:IW was good.

Tsumaru
5th Jul 2008, 12:34
The thing is when I was in high school, if you were lucky to get onto a BBS, it was something (cost serious money then to even chat, as too often there wasn't a local one). Then you'd really felt isolated, as the community was for serious older geeks who could afford the phone bill!

Today such social sites give me the same ageness feeling, this time in reverse (socializing with possible jailbait also isn't very interesting).


Back when I was a young'n on the internets, I was isolated from all the people I knew in real life. It was all about having no life and whatnot when you socialised on the internet. Come a bit later in High School, and I start getting all these people on MSN. Now it's okay that I'm online, but I'm online *too much* - and how nerdy is it to type without violating the English language? At this point, there was less isolation, and I was sorta half fitting in; but not really, just cause I hated almost everyone at my high school. Then the last couple years and onwards into today, I'm isolated as *not* using social networking websites like Myspace and Facebook and whatnot. Somehow I've gone from being an outcast for socialising online, to being an outcast for socialising online only on forums/chat and not on myspace/facebook. >_>

Oh 'tis a cruel world! Woe is me!

Lady_Of_The_Vine
5th Jul 2008, 18:09
*Sigh*
Looks like I'm not going to get a cookie or an Eidos badge.... :(

Kevyne-Shandris
5th Jul 2008, 18:53
Back when I was a young'n on the internets, I was isolated from all the people I knew in real life. It was all about having no life and whatnot when you socialised on the internet. Come a bit later in High School, and I start getting all these people on MSN. Now it's okay that I'm online, but I'm online *too much* - and how nerdy is it to type without violating the English language? At this point, there was less isolation, and I was sorta half fitting in; but not really, just cause I hated almost everyone at my high school. Then the last couple years and onwards into today, I'm isolated as *not* using social networking websites like Myspace and Facebook and whatnot. Somehow I've gone from being an outcast for socialising online, to being an outcast for socialising online only on forums/chat and not on myspace/facebook. >_>

Oh 'tis a cruel world! Woe is me!

I don't feel isolated not using Myspace and Facebook (I'd feel seriously isolated without blogs and forums though!). Simply because I'm not interested in chatty socials with folks with very compromised morals/ethics (you are the company you keep). One of the main reasons I don't join clans and what not groups in gaming -- the need to group isn't stronger for me to compromise who I really am (only so much can be removed online as an anonymous entity, we still carry who we are online).

Then on top of it, my online time is my own. I'm paying boatloads of money to be online, and because of this I don't seek griefers, weirdos and sociopaths to ruin it. If the internet was free almost anything goes, but I'm not paying a mint to babysit someone else's problem child (and that problem child [and usually his fellow band of trolls] gets upset and proceeds to ban you from the site you are on). Nada.

Add that I despise gossip, chatty social sites or it's chat programs just isn't my cup of tea and not on this computer. I get online for brain food, if I need to socialize I turn off the computer and go outside and talk with friends and neighbors. No trolling; no flamefests due to misunderstandings, all due to the lack of inflection online [which means if someone's culturely more animated, they can appear angry and what not online, when they're anything but. Then being told to "turn it down a notch" -- how? It's what and who you are, not a script to be rewritten on a whim]; and it costs me nothing but maybe a pitcher of tea or a bottle of beer offline!

Online socials are for more isolated people to socialize with other more isolated people. It's something to bridge a social problem of isolation (many now no longer have large families; and such social bonds are gone. To the point the internet has become their extended family, and some trust total strangers online more than their own kin. The other trend is they want to "appear" to be social -- from a distance [chatty online with strangers 1000 miles away; to chatting away on a cellphone instead of in person]). Because that's not my case, socializing online isn't a priority and more like a nuisance. I seek more intellectual contact (discussions and debates) from a larger pool than I can get in RL, to better understand the world and where the world is going (why I'm a capital news junkie).

Never came to this forum to meet and greet people. Came here to meet and greet and share ideas. People, and all of their "issues" too often get in the way. Spending more time patching peoples egos, than getting brain food was never the reason I'm online. For public service I help out on help forums, but for things like this, I don't need to invite 10 forumites over for dinner to be "sociable" or "caring" or even a "fan".

Maybe if I was born in the 80s and after things would've been different. But I was almost 20 when the PC became more mainstream in the mid 80s. I got into early gaming and the PC, yet the social aspects and all are still from before PCs took over. Instead of firing up a chat client or cellphone, I'd rather talk with people in person -- and then, only if properly introduced (even that etiquette is gone now).

jcp28
5th Jul 2008, 20:04
I don't feel isolated not using Myspace and Facebook (I'd feel seriously isolated without blogs and forums though!). Simply because I'm not interested in chatty socials with folks with very compromised morals/ethics (you are the company you keep). One of the main reasons I don't join clans and what not groups in gaming -- the need to group isn't stronger for me to compromise who I really am (only so much can be removed online as an anonymous entity, we still carry who we are online).

Then on top of it, my online time is my own. I'm paying boatloads of money to be online, and because of this I don't seek griefers, weirdos and sociopaths to ruin it. If the internet was free almost anything goes, but I'm not paying a mint to babysit someone else's problem child (and that problem child [and usually his fellow band of trolls] gets upset and proceeds to ban you from the site you are on). Nada.

Add that I despise gossip, chatty social sites or it's chat programs just isn't my cup of tea and not on this computer. I get online for brain food, if I need to socialize I turn off the computer and go outside and talk with friends and neighbors. No trolling; no flamefests due to misunderstandings, all due to the lack of inflection online [which means if someone's culturely more animated, they can appear angry and what not online, when they're anything but. Then being told to "turn it down a notch" -- how? It's what and who you are, not a script to be rewritten on a whim]; and it costs me nothing but maybe a pitcher of tea or a bottle of beer offline!

Online socials are for more isolated people to socialize with other more isolated people. It's something to bridge a social problem of isolation (many now no longer have large families; and such social bonds are gone. To the point the internet has become their extended family, and some trust total strangers online more than their own kin. The other trend is they want to "appear" to be social -- from a distance [chatty online with strangers 1000 miles away; to chatting away on a cellphone instead of in person]). Because that's not my case, socializing online isn't a priority and more like a nuisance. I seek more intellectual contact (discussions and debates) from a larger pool than I can get in RL, to better understand the world and where the world is going (why I'm a capital news junkie).

Never came to this forum to meet and greet people. Came here to meet and greet and share ideas. People, and all of their "issues" too often get in the way. Spending more time patching peoples egos, than getting brain food was never the reason I'm online. For public service I help out on help forums, but for things like this, I don't need to invite 10 forumites over for dinner to be "sociable" or "caring" or even a "fan".

Maybe if I was born in the 80s and after things would've been different. But I was almost 20 when the PC became more mainstream in the mid 80s. I got into early gaming and the PC, yet the social aspects and all are still from before PCs took over. Instead of firing up a chat client or cellphone, I'd rather talk with people in person -- and then, only if properly introduced (even that etiquette is gone now).

Yeah, I do think you're old.:D But actually, I prefer to meet people face to face myself, since it seems to me to be an experience where you're more of a position to figure them out. Whereas, if you interact with people online, you're less likely to have a good grip on if what they are saying is what they are really feeling If one can not read another's facial expression, then one can say all sorts of things that may or may not have some truth.
I'm basically saying face-to-face interaction is more likely to be "what you see is what you get" even though that can be deceptive as well.
But I had no trouble using MySpace when I was younger. I still do sometimes, but I feel as if though it's become kind of lame.

Kevyne-Shandris
5th Jul 2008, 21:01
I'm 41 going on 80, and it shows! :lol:

But I was raised quite conservatively in a very conservative local (socially conservative; intellectually liberal), and that's the bulk of the issue.

Too old to partake in the "new world", and to old to even want, too (and now I see why my parents are the way they are at nearly 80 -- which the "new world" will learn soon enough in 20 to 30 years for themselves). ;)

Lady_Of_The_Vine
5th Jul 2008, 21:25
Too old at 41? Surely not. :eek:
Try saying that to Madonna who is 50, lol. :p

Old to me is kind of when your body starts to pack up and your memory goes; and you need help to get through the daily routine...

UNTIL that day arrives.... age is a state of mind, in my opinion. :)

Kevyne-Shandris
5th Jul 2008, 21:38
It depends on how you were raised, how your culture is, and how many compromises you'll make between them and this online global community. In my culture, age is held in reverance still, along with it's values (it's not a bad thing). Trying to "fit in" to a global community that thinks older folks deserve a Logan Run's existence, nope, not making that compromise to be "kewl".

Just yet another reason why DX is such a good game. That game has a v-e-r-y gray world, but you can strive to be good still in it, even if the protagonist had enough baggage to sink the Titanic. He also does what he does not for himself per se, but what is good for all (as much as he could understand it with baggage in tow).

Think about it. ;)

Lady_Of_The_Vine
5th Jul 2008, 22:02
It depends on how you were raised, how your culture is, and how many compromises you'll make between them and this online global community. In my culture, age is held in reverance still, along with it's values (it's not a bad thing). Trying to "fit in" to a global community that thinks older folks deserve a Logan Run's existence, nope, not making that compromise to be "kewl".
Think about it. ;)


Thought about it. ;)

Mmmm, kind of understand where you are coming from as far as online communities go... but you could say the opposite thing and suggest that some older folk think younger people are nothing but kiddos in diapers who haven't anything intelligent to say. Ageism is a negative thing - whoever it comes from and wherever it is located.

I personally enjoy communicating with people of all ages - online and offline in the 'real' world. How old people are is of no importance because you can have older immature people, and younger mature people. Its really a mixed bag all round. You just have to learn to give people the benefit of the doubt and don't judge. I moderate a busy forum elsewhere with members as young as 12, up to 54, I believe. It's a happy forum. :cool:

You may think that culture and up-bringing is the root of the problem but I wouldn't consider that a reason or an excuse, personally. My belief for myself is that, as I age, I will remain 'young-at-heart' always. 'Kewl' doesn't come into it, or compromising - I think it is just about how you view things. It is possible to 'fit in' anywhere, if you wish to. If you don't wish to, fair enough.

Age should be respected, yes, but I think it is more important to earn respect than to expect it - whatever age you are.
That's just my view on the subject, anyway. :)

Kevyne-Shandris
5th Jul 2008, 22:46
You may think that culture and up-bringing is the root of the problem

Issue, not a problem.

Secondly, "ageism" that you're referring to is not what I was writing about.

I'm Japanese-American, and was raised with traditional values that even in modern day Japan doesn't practice much. That culture clashes severely online with much looser moral/ethics/discipline. It clashes more than on a superficial level of "he's 12 years-old, so get used to it", since in my culture the 12 year-old should've never acted like that in the first place, and if he did, he'd face more than scorn from his parents, his community [and in the bad old days could've even be killed for being insolent]. I don't get that "feedback" from "Westerners" as they're much more loose, but from the community of similiar traditional Japanese-Americans it's ALWAYS there.

I expect that 12 year-old to behave as that's the culture I'm from. Online and it's culture is, that 12 year-old is given a pass. That clash is v-e-r-y uncomfortable, and not something to "just get used too" -- as you don't.

Culture does have a HUGE influence on how you react to people, and how you even percieve people. When they clash, you can compromise your values to "fit in" or you can do your best to avoid it so not to "fit in". The latter is what I do, as the group mores online doesn't supercede mores of my real life.

Asking me to "get used" to concepts that are socially unacceptable, is like asking you to do the same.

That's the issue.

Tsumaru
6th Jul 2008, 00:46
Online socials are for more isolated people to socialize with other more isolated people. It's something to bridge a social problem of isolation (many now no longer have large families; and such social bonds are gone. To the point the internet has become their extended family, and some trust total strangers online more than their own kin. The other trend is they want to "appear" to be social -- from a distance [chatty online with strangers 1000 miles away; to chatting away on a cellphone instead of in person]). Because that's not my case, socializing online isn't a priority and more like a nuisance. I seek more intellectual contact (discussions and debates) from a larger pool than I can get in RL, to better understand the world and where the world is going (why I'm a capital news junkie).
Hmm... that's how it was at the start for me in my culture. But nowadays - at least in Australia - it's the complete opposite. The big influx of people using social networking sites tend to be the "popular" people. The ones with the big groups of friends. And then all they do is add all their RL friends as friends on these sites. Then occasionally from there they might meet new people - but that never seems to be the intention.

I'm essentially the same as you - I don't go online to meet and greet people either; I join forums which I think might be interesting. But at the same time, if I get into a series of good discussions with a particular person and we seem to get along well, I have nothing against adding them on MSN and building a stronger friendship. Some of the best and most trusted friends I have are online ones. And you might look at that and think "he's just the same as the rest", but I reject any notion that long-distance friendships are in any way invalid, or inferior. Myself as a person, I'm not a hugely social person - I'm not good at going out just for the sake of going out. Oh, sure, I can easily go see a movie with friends, or maybe a LAN cafe with my more geeky gamer-oriented friends. Most social thing really for me is just going down to the pub occasionally if I have the money for it. But I can't do this just "go out and hang out" thing that a lot of people of my generation and culture do. I've got one friend who for a while, every weekend, was just like "I'm bored, come with me to Shoppo" - Shoppo being an abbreviated name for a big shopping center ('mall' for you americans) in our area. I can't do that. I can't walk around in a shopping center doing nothing.

So anyway, back to my point. If I'm not social in that fashion, I don't get huge connections with my friends who, in reality, are fairly different to me as people. Thus it's very easy for me to make closer friends online - as I can find people who are closer to me as a person. Someone who is intellectual, usually. I mean they're not the kind of person who I would trust my life on - but I trust them in other areas. *If* I did have some personal/private issue, I would trust my online friends more than my real life friends - because none of my real life friends know when not to be ****heads (with the exception of maybe 2 of them). I just don't trust them to be any help. But I have a few good close online friends who I would trust more in that situation.

I guess my point is - online social relationships can offer something to some people that real life friendships cannot. I would never advocate actively seeking out new online friends; but I think if you happen to go to an interest group forum and find a connection with a particular person - there is no reason to shun that. I don't see it as related to any form of social isolation... except perhaps isolated from people who you can connect with on a different (it may or may not be deeper) level. I don't think that's necessarily any problem of your own though.



Also, I'd just like to add.

Age should be respected, yes, but I think it is more important to earn respect than to expect it - whatever age you are.
I completely agree with this sentence, with an added clause. Realistically everyone deserves a certain level of respect; what we call "common courtesy". All people deserve that small level of respect equally; anything more, in my opinion, has to be earned. Disrespect equally must be earned.

Kevyne-Shandris
6th Jul 2008, 01:38
Hmm... that's how it was at the start for me in my culture. But nowadays - at least in Australia - it's the complete opposite. The big influx of people using social networking sites tend to be the "popular" people. The ones with the big groups of friends. And then all they do is add all their RL friends as friends on these sites. Then occasionally from there they might meet new people - but that never seems to be the intention.

To APPEAR popular. Having a friends list of 300, appears popular; as much as having a phone list of 300 (some even go to extent of displaying the former on Myspace and beyond).

But the real question is: are they anymore "popular"? Did they get their 15 minutes of national/international fame with it? 99% don't, and 0.5% or so that did it's some fluke (like some CNN representative trawling YouTube for "exclusives").

Technology has given us more things to do with our time, but has also distanced us to RELY on it for communication. No longer do you come on over for a night of pizza, movies and chit chat, you're on the phone talking a mile a minute trying mimic a patch repeater (meanwhile trying to balance time, despite you actually have more free time than your parents did [who may have worked 12hrs a day]. It being replaced with a device that's becoming a ball and chain 16hrs a day or more].

That's what is becoming of our "socialization", being chained to a machine, and being programmed to even NEED it.

I really don't want to be a part of it, nor to rely on a machine for even my identity. It's a tool, but that's where the line is drawn. I don't use a hammer to "reach out and touch somebody" with. ;)

jcp28
6th Jul 2008, 01:50
To APPEAR popular. Having a friends list of 300, appears popular; as much as having a phone list of 300 (some even go to extent of displaying the former on Myspace and beyond).

But the real question is: are they anymore "popular"? Did they get their 15 minutes of national/international fame with it? 99% don't, and 0.5% or so that did it's some fluke (like some CNN representative trawling YouTube for "exclusives").

Technology has given us more things to do with our time, but has also distanced us to RELY on it for communication. No longer do you come on over for a night of pizza, movies and chit chat, you're on the phone talking a mile a minute trying mimic a patch repeater (meanwhile trying to balance time, despite you actually have more free time than your parents did [who may have worked 12hrs a day]. It being replaced with a device that's becoming a ball and chain 16hrs a day or more].

That's what is becoming of our "socialization", being chained to a machine, and being programmed to even NEED it.

I really don't want to be a part of it, nor to rely on a machine for even my identity. It's a tool, but that's where the line is drawn. I don't use a hammer to "reach out and touch somebody" with. ;)

With the way you put it, social networking using computers sure sounds depressing. Personally though, I just thought of MySpace of it as a place to talk to friends from school when I was unable to meet them face-to-face because of transportation and other commitments, and maybe pick up some friends with similar interests. Now I just talk any online friends I have on MSN.
So anyways, I understand where you're coming from, and you may even have a point with how technology chains us. I'm the type of person who's unsure of what exactly new technology and other things will do to our society. But at the same time, I look at the development of online places like MySpace and Facebook as pretty much inevitable, given the conveinence the Internet provided. And I know we'll adjust somehow.;)

Tsumaru
6th Jul 2008, 07:44
If we killed the ability to communicate long-distances socially, some might say we are held down by our lack of technology. The concept of "being chained" (or any similar variation) can be applied to or from virtually any perspective.
I appreciate your own opinion on it all, and would in no way attempt to take that away from you. Personally, though, I had trouble making friends and socialising in real life before I even had access to the internet at all. I think it's probably a fairly big generalisation to suggest that internet socialisation is completely negative and the bane of our existence you make it out to be.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
6th Jul 2008, 10:37
I'm Japanese-American, and was raised with traditional values that even in modern day Japan doesn't practice much. That culture clashes severely online with much looser moral/ethics/discipline. It clashes more than on a superficial level of "he's 12 years-old, so get used to it", since in my culture the 12 year-old should've never acted like that in the first place, and if he did, he'd face more than scorn from his parents, his community [and in the bad old days could've even be killed for being insolent]. I don't get that "feedback" from "Westerners" as they're much more loose, but from the community of similiar traditional Japanese-Americans it's ALWAYS there.

I expect that 12 year-old to behave as that's the culture I'm from. Online and it's culture is, that 12 year-old is given a pass. That clash is v-e-r-y uncomfortable, and not something to "just get used too" -- as you don't.

Culture does have a HUGE influence on how you react to people, and how you even percieve people. When they clash, you can compromise your values to "fit in" or you can do your best to avoid it so not to "fit in". The latter is what I do, as the group mores online doesn't supercede mores of my real life.

Asking me to "get used" to concepts that are socially unacceptable, is like asking you to do the same.

That's the issue.

Okay, if we are talking not about ageism but general manners and respect, then I agree that this should be the case - both online and offline. That goes without saying, no matter what culture anyone is from.
However, yes, you may find more people being disrespectful on forums, due to convenience of anonymity, it is an opportunity to voice your opinion without direct repercussion. That has a good and a bad side, obviously. Good if it is an intelligent discussion or argument with interesting, valid points; bad if it is just mindless dissing and swearing etc. - behaviour that some people wouldn't necessarily do in real life. This is abuse... but, on the whole, I think it is minimal. It all depends on the type of forum you go to.

Yes, I hear what you are saying but it suggests that all 12 year olds being expected to "behave" but, to be fair, there are a lot of adults who act in an appalling manner too... would they also be scolded by the community then? I would assume so and, if so, that's good. I mean, you can't lay the law down for youngsters and not expect the elders to abide by those laws also. Don't we all learn better by example, rather than dogma?

You can have an affluent, strict or 'proper' upbringing - but turn out to be the rudest person alive. You can have an upbringing that is lowly and excessively liberal - and you could grow up to be a very beautiful person. Obviously, I am not talking about doing away with the general necessities, such as manners, thoughtfulness etc. but, again, it work both ways. I just believe that whatever your background/past may be... you are in charge of your own life and mould yourself accordingly. That is the privilege of adulthood - a free rein to become who you wish to be, removing any past influences or rules that you may wish to question. Not all rules or attitudes are correct, some need to be changed. In any case, one isn't expected to let social networking supercede your own life. Your values remain with you, no matter what.

I didn't ask you to get used to concepts that are socially unacceptable, did I? Unless you are just making a general statement? But, yeah, I do understand what you are explaining. I am not trying to say you are wrong or right, I guess its just a matter of thinking differently. :)

***

To touch on other points raised so far.

I don't think that many people actually join forums JUST to 'meet and greet' people. I think the main reason is the actual topic of that forum. Forums just facilitate social networking, if you want it. If you don't want it, that's fine. As already said, its ideal for joining in with a discussion as we do here. I doubt many people wish to be "popular" or appear to be popular. But some people are incredibly sociable in life and wish to extend their friendship beyond their own immediate environment, hence Facebook and Myspace sites. MySpace is essentially like that of an interactive live journal/diary - people like to keep blogs, share photographs, videos, illustrations etc. in a creative way. Other MySpace users will often request to become a friend of another simply because their interests are very similar and, from there, one can meet new people and later consider them to be a real friend and even eventually meet. All I am saying is that these sites have their good points... you just have to decide for yourself whether it interests you personally. People who use MySpace and FaceBook should not be categorised so unfairly as to be a certain young age or sex (12 year old girls, I believe was suggested, lol); this simply isn't true. I don't use Facebook or MySpace (I don't have the spare time really) but I know people that do and they are of all ages and have different interests.

Tsumaru, you are correct. Everyone deserves a certain level of respect/common courtesy. It doesn't matter what age you are, it applies to all; and if we remember this basic rule (on forums in particular), its a happier environment all round.

Tsumaru
6th Jul 2008, 13:04
I didn't ask you to get used to concepts that are socially unacceptable, did I? Unless you are just making a general statement?
I believe it was in response to this:

It is possible to 'fit in' anywhere, if you wish to. If you don't wish to, fair enough.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
6th Jul 2008, 14:02
I believe it was in response to this:

Really? I don't see how the two relate...
But either way, I would never say to anyone that they have to be a certain way. I do respect other beliefs, customs etc. It's all cool. :)

Tsumaru
7th Jul 2008, 00:33
I could be wrong, but that's the way I interpreted it. She was saying she could fit in, but that would require getting used to concepts, behaviours, attitudes which she finds socially unacceptable - compromising her own values just to "fit in".

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Jul 2008, 05:59
But I never said she had to, or was expected to fit in... I'm confused! :nut:
I was talking in general and said: "It is possible to 'fit in' anywhere, if you wish to. If you don't wish to, fair enough".

Tsumaru
7th Jul 2008, 11:53
I believe she was making an equally general reply, saying why she wouldn't want to fit in.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Jul 2008, 12:27
Oh, I see.
That's okay then; I was worried because I didn't want her to get the wrong idea. :)

René
10th Jul 2008, 12:22
*Sigh*
Looks like I'm not going to get a cookie or an Eidos badge.... :(

Check your Private Messages. :)

Lady_Of_The_Vine
10th Jul 2008, 13:36
Check your Private Messages. :)

Oooooh! :eek:

I have, and replied. Thank you. :cool:


UPDATE:

Hehe, I got my Eidos Deus Ex cookie everyone! Doesn't it look yummy.... mmm, chocolate chips!
Thank you very much, Rene. I love it. :)

Whenever you see my avatar, you guys should get even more hungry for Deus Ex 3! :D

jordan_a
12th Jul 2008, 15:12
Very nice indeed. :thumbsup:

199 members on the Facebook group, one more to reach the next level!!!

Lady_Of_The_Vine
13th Jul 2008, 06:51
Wow, the membership increased quickly! :cool:

J.CDenton
13th Jul 2008, 09:22
Joined. And another brick in the wall!

;)

René
6th Oct 2008, 21:48
*bump*

Facebook / Group: Eidos Montréal - Deus Ex 3 (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=13382638259)

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Oct 2008, 16:01
All new members, shimmy over to Eidos Facebook and sign up. :thumbsup:

Rene, you should include a "Facebook" post in the upper announcement section of this board with a link to the site.
New members will notice it straight away then. :cool:

chip5541
7th Oct 2008, 16:13
Done although not sure about the thread title. Maybe something with a little more pizazz.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Oct 2008, 16:21
Done although not sure about the thread title. Maybe something with a little more pizazz.

Thank you... but you made a new, separate sticky post?
Well, its still better than having to bump this thread. :p

Sorry if it wasn't clear, but I was suggesting you move this entire thread and put it right up there in the top announcement panel (where the current forum rules are stored). :)

As for a more interesting thread title... how about "Eidos Montreal Deus Ex 3 - FACEBOOK FRATERNITY" :cool:

chip5541
7th Oct 2008, 16:28
HA! I didn't even notice this threads name :nut:

I will fix the link on teh first page and sticky it.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
7th Oct 2008, 16:29
HA! I didn't even notice this threads name :nut:

I will fix the link on teh first page and sticky it.

:thumbsup:

Romeo
7th Oct 2008, 22:03
OH MY GOD! Ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod!!!

Screams like a raving-lunatic-fan for a few more moments before realizing they barely use facebook. :lmao:

AaronJ
8th Oct 2008, 17:59
OH MY GOD! Ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygod!!!

Screams like a raving-lunatic-fan for a few more moments before realizing they barely use facebook. :lmao:

I did not understand this post.

Romeo
8th Oct 2008, 18:12
That was intentional, just don't worry 'bout it. ;)

AsukaoYl
8th Oct 2008, 22:56
Warren Spector wrote
at 12:55am
Nice analysis! Probably deeper than we go through when we're MAKING games!

As sad as it is not to be involved in making DX3, seeing this art (and the video analysis) makes me think it might actually be nice to be just a player -- I get to experience the mysteries along with the rest of you, for a change!

Now thats ******* crazy. Can anyone link me to where he posted that, im so taking a screenshot!

Romeo
9th Oct 2008, 06:05
*Gasp!* It must be a conspiracy, we're trying to trick you! lol

René
9th Oct 2008, 12:53
Warren Spector wrote
at 12:55am
Nice analysis! Probably deeper than we go through when we're MAKING games!

As sad as it is not to be involved in making DX3, seeing this art (and the video analysis) makes me think it might actually be nice to be just a player -- I get to experience the mysteries along with the rest of you, for a change!

Now thats ******* crazy. Can anyone link me to where he posted that, im so taking a screenshot!

The Warren quote is back from July in response to Aaron's concept art analysis video.

http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/video/video.php?v=32029972040&oid=13382638259

Romeo
10th Oct 2008, 01:26
OH! SNAP!

lol

jordan_a
10th Oct 2008, 20:55
299...

Romeo
11th Oct 2008, 02:34
300? For Sparta? I'm confuzzled.

Spyhopping
10th Dec 2008, 23:35
I deactivated my facebook ages ago cause it got a bit annoying. Everyone has an account these days though, maybe I'm missing out

jordan_a
15th Apr 2009, 17:44
500 strong today! :)

Jerion
15th Apr 2009, 17:47
I've been thinking about setting up a Facebook but I haven't really seen the appeal. Is it worth it?

jordan_a
15th Apr 2009, 17:48
It's good for networking.

Spyhopping
15th Apr 2009, 19:00
There's nothing to lose by trying it. I rejoined recently and found an old friend I'd lost contact with for 8 years, so it's been well worth it. :)

JCD
16th Apr 2009, 02:59
I've been thinking about setting up a Facebook but I haven't really seen the appeal. Is it worth it?
You are not alone, but it seems we remain only but a few :cool: :rasp:

I believe the only reason for signing up are to keep contact with my friends from school. Some people use it for their work - it's ok if you are a model/DJ/music producer/actor/whatever. And some use it to promote some things/ideas - it's o-k.

I really don't want yet another site to browse (newsposting + reviews + forums + msn...why add sth else?)

hem dazon 90
16th Apr 2009, 09:02
Hi everyone!

What do you think about joining us on Facebook?

Facebook / Group: Eidos Montréal - Deus Ex 3 (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=13382638259)

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9631/sanstitresd3.jpg

I hope I'll see you there ! :D

i joined im named ryan gardiner

WhatsHisFace
16th Apr 2009, 12:41
People still use Facebook?