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Keir
29th Nov 2007, 09:54
Someone (big thumbs up from me and Eidos) has analysed the trailer.








And they went into detail. A lot of detail :D







Watch it here. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fkXCE8CkNZU)

humbug
29th Nov 2007, 14:17
That was good! I'm guessing that from the analysis Deus X 3 is going to be about creation about the perfect race and the unrest it created.

Hopefully it will be the prequel to Deus Ex, I always wanted the Dues Ex 3 to be a prequel so we could learn more about the Dentons. :thumbsup:

StormFront
29th Nov 2007, 15:18
That was good! I'm guessing that from the analysis Deus X 3 is going to be about creation about the perfect race and the unrest it created.

Hopefully it will be the prequel to Deus Ex, I always wanted the Dues Ex 3 to be a prequel so we could learn more about the Dentons. :thumbsup:


I don't think it will be about "creating a perfect race". The clips so far more indicate that it is about intollerance and segregation surely?

Oh and everyone keep missing the point about the Deus Ex prequel: It already happened (http://www.eidos.co.uk/gss/snowblind/)

(edit) - No actually, I think it's about both: Genetics gone mad and intollerance....

Xcom
29th Nov 2007, 16:03
And they went into detail. A lot of detail :D


That's interesting...but.. ehh...

How about an exclusive screenshot? (or maybe concept art) :rasp:

StormFront
29th Nov 2007, 16:52
That's interesting...but.. ehh...

How about an exclusive screenshot? (or maybe concept art) :rasp:

I would hope with at least 2 years to go there aren't any screenshots available. If the devs have been workign on the renderer this early on something is wrong.:eek:

Some concept stuff would be nice though...

Innuendo13
29th Nov 2007, 19:44
Interesting trailer. Very artistic. It reminded me of introduction from Ghost in the shell 2.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sU89ThZcjyU

And the themes from the trailer were also similar with the themes from gits. (discrimination, riots). The are of course common theme for cyberpunk ganders, but it all felt really similar to gits universe.

Godot
30th Nov 2007, 06:43
Oh and everyone keep missing the point about the Deus Ex prequel: It already happened (http://www.eidos.co.uk/gss/snowblind/)
Project Snowblind is set in 2065. Deus Ex is set sometime after November 2055, but probably not that long after.


Edit: lol :D Looks like my postcount got reset sometime during the past 4 years.

StormFront
30th Nov 2007, 13:19
Project Snowblind is set in 2065. Deus Ex is set sometime after November 2055, but probably not that long after.


Edit: lol :D Looks like my postcount got reset sometime during the past 4 years.

Odd, you're right. Must've got my wires crossed there. Could have sworn it was a precursor to Deus Ex.

Oh well, it was bad either way...:D

Dave W
30th Nov 2007, 14:32
Project Snowblind is set in 2065. Deus Ex is set sometime after November 2055, but probably not that long after.


Edit: lol :D Looks like my postcount got reset sometime during the past 4 years.

2052.

pKp
5th Dec 2007, 00:44
Hopefully it will be the prequel to Deus Ex
Well...It doesn't seem likely. If the nano/biomods are so popular that people bother to segregate them, it means they have gone at least semi-mainstream, whereas in DX they were cutting-edge for the nano, and still-military-only for the biomechs (I may be wrong on that). This is (IMHO) renforced by the [h+] thing : transhumanism is about (among other things) mainstream nanotech. The prosthetic arm in a box ("delivered to your home" kind of thing) points also that way.

However, the ballot we see in the video says "2027"...maybe the video guy is right and it's a flashback, but it could also enforce the possibility of a prequel. Several things can be interpreted that way : all the ancient anatomical drawings , the Rembrandt picture...hints to the first steps of anatomy and medicine.

The INVM things puzzles me, the only thing I could dig up was Isolated Noncompaction Of The Ventricular Myocardium.

Anyway, looks like we're going to have to deal with angry civilians. As if terrorists and back-stabbing allies weren't enough :D

SOCAR
5th Dec 2007, 01:25
whereas in DX they were cutting-edge for the nano, and still-military-only for the biomechs (I may be wrong on that).

Youre right on that. Althrought version of civilian augs are very possible.


This is (IMHO) renforced by the [h+] thing : transhumanism is about (among other things) mainstream nanotech.

I think that in 2027 there were only hard-steel augs. Nanotech was a breakthru in Dentons case.



However, the ballot we see in the video says "2027"...maybe the video guy is right and it's a flashback, but it could also enforce the possibility of a prequel.

Indeed. I bet that segregation, which leads to not equal right for human and aug-humans sooner or later would create a conflict (riots) and society would must accept aug-humans as equals (voting for biopolitics = vote right for augsH?). Probably the player will have something with it in the game.


Several things can be interpreted that way : all the ancient anatomical drawings , the Rembrandt picture...hints to the first steps of anatomy and medicine.
More symbolical than real meaning. More important would be golden split case. Split of human an aug-human in overal population count?



The INVM things puzzles me, the only thing I could dig up was Isolated Noncompaction Of The Ventricular Myocardium.

We still can't be sure is those are letters. I,V,M could be numbers. Or if we should read them horizontally? vertically? V was somedays interpreted as U. Also it could be just a corporation name.

VodunLoas
5th Dec 2007, 07:04
Was deleted from wikipedia about the images in the flashback:
*Studies of the Shoulder and Neck, A Study of the Spine, and Detail of Anatomical Studies of the Muscles of the Neck, Shoulder, Chest and Arm by Leonardo da Vinci
*Lower case greek letter phi (φ), the golden ratio in mathematics, art and architecture, also it's value is given.
Also, this value appears during the appearance of the game's title
*Leonardo Da Vinci's application of the golden ratio to the human head from De Divina Proportione
*A diagram of a logarithmic golden spiral whose growth factor is related to φ
*A drawing of a golden triangle and the golden function written inside it
*The title page of De human corporis fabrica liborum epitome by Vesalius, an image showing an Anatomical Theatre
*Anatomy Lesson of Dr. Nicolaes Tulp by Rembrandt
*Augmentation detail
*Lament For Icarus by Herbert James Draper
*An x-ray image of a human chest
*Two USG images of the biomodified fetus
*An x-ray image of a human skull
*An image of a couple, with the girl having a mechanical arm
*Prosthetic limbs in a box
*A ballot box for "Biopolitic Vote 2027",with a voting card with a red X being inserted in it
*A sign saying 'Augmented people enter from the back'
*A sign saying 'We do not welcome augmented people here'
*A blurred picture of a street with demonstrants
*Photo of riot police
*An unknown building with a demonstrafion in front of it. One of the demonstrants holds a sign saying 'No augs'
*Roman numbers III, IV, V and VI, possibly a reference to the decalogue
*A lowercase italic letter 'h' and a plus sign in brackets, a symbol used for *Transhumanism (This symbol also appears in the front-page animation on Eidos Montreal's webpage.)

gamer0004
5th Dec 2007, 18:07
The first time I saw the trailer I was like: My god, this is CRAP!
But, I'm getting more and more excited. It's really Deus Ex. A lot of information, but only if you want to search for it.
Thumbs up Eidos!

Demilitarized
6th Dec 2007, 18:53
I am convinced that the trailer, the one piece of visual evidence we have, is on the right track. These developers seem to be Deus Ex fans. At least we have that to comfort our inevitably long wait for new information.

primer
7th Dec 2007, 22:00
I hope they do the game more justice than invisible war.

Bluey71
7th Dec 2007, 23:03
OK that I must admit has taken me by surprise. If it had just been a few images thrown together I wouldn't have been quite as surprised. But since it looks a lot more complex than that I'm impressed.

cudlla
22nd Dec 2007, 11:41
Finaly someone who searched on youtube.com

Harakiribert
25th Dec 2007, 22:28
I did a search for the origin and meaning of the name Emile that is written on the body.

"Emile meaning Industrious. From the Roman family name Aemilius." source (http://www.babynamecollection.com/emile.html)

Aemilius: "A Roman family name from the Roman word 'aemulus' meaning trying to equal or excel, emulating, rival." Source (http://www.babynamesworld.com/meaning_of_Aemilius.html)

So the name was possibly chosen in connection with the idea of transhumanism.

Nathan2000
27th Dec 2007, 17:46
I'm still curious about the roman numbers. Wikipedia was saying, that they may be a reference to a decalogue but it doesn't make much sense in my opinion. Commandment with those numbers (according to Roman Catholic numeration) are:
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill
6. You shall not commit adultery
Other religions use slightly different numeration, where the third commandment is "You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God" and other ones have an incremented number.

My question is: What those have to do with human augmentations, transhumanism and Deus Ex? I'd like to know your interpretations.

A friend of mine found out that III, IV, V and VI are possible valencies of Uranium, Plutonium and Americium, but it doesn't make sense either.

imported_van_HellSing
27th Dec 2007, 19:05
The reference might not be only to those commandments, but the decalogue as a whole: the law of God, and augmentation of the human body as "playing God" + the whole DX discussion of divinity.

mr_cyberpunk
27th Dec 2007, 20:37
What those have to do with human augmentations, transhumanism and Deus Ex? I'd like to know your interpretations.

They don't, they refer to religion, belief and of course law of god as stated by VH. The only way I see it fitting into Transhumanism is in the very unlikely chance of a Technocracy based around Christian/Jewish teachings.

It may have something to do with disobedience to god which is essentially what transhumanism is, even if it was capable of being a Technocracy built on Christianity since the church has labeled all Transhuman supporters Pagans.

Templar wouldn't be happy with that lol.

SomaMech
16th Jan 2008, 06:53
It sounds ridiculous but the movie-trailer style voice worried me. It's the excessive commercialisation of the game industry that, in my opinion, caused IW to fail as a DX game. The game industry is turning into the movie industry, and losing the magic of small people with massive ideas. Now it's massive people with massive ideas on one condition; massive amounts of money. :(

Other than the voice... Great teaser!! Can't wait to see the next.

AaronJ
16th Jan 2008, 21:05
Hey guys, I am the author of both analysis vids, glad you enjoyed them.

Btw, I am fully aware now that the "unknown picture" is a skull. Don't comment on my video saying that.

Chrono
16th Jan 2008, 22:38
Hi guys! I´ve been following every single thread but never showed up =P
Just a curiosity, we can see the image with a ballot box saying "Biopolitic Vote 2027", thats for the video of the main page. But if you check the HD Version theres no more 2027, only "Biopolitic Vote".:nut:

gamer0004
17th Jan 2008, 14:59
Hi guys! I´ve been following every single thread but never showed up =P
Just a curiosity, we can see the image with a ballot box saying "Biopolitic Vote 2027", thats for the video of the main page. But if you check the HD Version theres no more 2027, only "Biopolitic Vote".:nut:

Yes, that's a well known thing... Many people have discussed whether they removed it because people thought the game would be set in 2027 and that's not true or because it IS true and they don't want everyone to know.

G.A.Pster
28th Jan 2008, 00:56
It sounds ridiculous but the movie-trailer style voice worried me. It's the excessive commercialisation of the game industry that, in my opinion, caused IW to fail as a DX game. The game industry is turning into the movie industry, and losing the magic of small people with massive ideas. Now it's massive people with massive ideas on one condition; massive amounts of money. :(

Other than the voice... Great teaser!! Can't wait to see the next.

my thoughts exactly.

foxberg
21st Aug 2008, 17:58
Emile could be an homage to Emile Durkheim. The flash sequence is chronological.
Augmentation was experimented with (a girl with augmented arm is making out with a guy).
Biopolitic vote 2027 - didn't pass the law (see the vote is a red X, meaning against).
That led to Dentons to be created in secrecy. If J.C. was created then then he'd be 25y.o. at the time of DX1.
Some years after 2072 (DX IW) augmented people are common occurrence. They are not liked by many (two signs against augmented people). They are suppressed and prosecuted for their own existence does not go well with the religious groups (JMO). This is why I see a parallel with Emile Durkheim.
All of this leads to the creation of Emile, the one who would help Auggies fight for their rights again the prejudiced society and various groups within it. Since their (Auggies) numbers are growing different groups would be interested to sway them to their side for their own benefit. Some will offer ultimate freedom, some will offer power, Government will offer a right to vote along with other civil rights, etc. This will be Emile's job to find the right ally for his people.
And all of this info (flash images) is already programmed into the Emile's brains, that's why the trailer goes "into" the embryo, then we see flashed pictures and then it gets out and we see the embryo again.

All of this supports the prediction that this game is a sequel, which makes much more sense then a prequel would. After all, who want's to play knowing exactly where it's going to take you at the end?

AaronJ
22nd Aug 2008, 03:08
THANK YOU

jcp28
22nd Aug 2008, 17:12
Emile could be an homage to Emile Durkheim. The flash sequence is chronological.
Augmentation was experimented with (a girl with augmented arm is making out with a guy).
Biopolitic vote 2027 - didn't pass the law (see the vote is a red X, meaning against).
That led to Dentons to be created in secrecy. If J.C. was created then then he'd be 25y.o. at the time of DX1.
Some years after 2072 (DX IW) augmented people are common occurrence. They are not liked by many (two signs against augmented people). They are suppressed and prosecuted for their own existence does not go well with the religious groups (JMO). This is why I see a parallel with Emile Durkheim.
All of this leads to the creation of Emile, the one who would help Auggies fight for their rights again the prejudiced society and various groups within it. Since their (Auggies) numbers are growing different groups would be interested to sway them to their side for their own benefit. Some will offer ultimate freedom, some will offer power, Government will offer a right to vote along with other civil rights, etc. This will be Emile's job to find the right ally for his people.
And all of this info (flash images) is already programmed into the Emile's brains, that's why the trailer goes "into" the embryo, then we see flashed pictures and then it gets out and we see the embryo again.

All of this supports the prediction that this game is a sequel, which makes much more sense then a prequel would. After all, who want's to play knowing exactly where it's going to take you at the end?


I don't know....somehow the kind of plot where some guy chooses his own path to earn "his people" their rights seems strangely flat.

Also, your speculation fails to prove anything, as similar things have been said by other people many times before many months ago.

foxberg
22nd Aug 2008, 17:41
I don't know....somehow the kind of plot where some guy chooses his own path to earn "his people" their rights seems strangely flat.


That was just a thought, you know? The plot was not the main goal, the core idea of a sequel was.


Also, your speculation fails to prove anything, as similar things have been said by other people many times before many months ago.

And what would that mean exactly? That I can't independently come to the same conclusion as others did before me?

Necros
22nd Aug 2008, 18:17
Nice theory foxberg. :thumbsup:

Tsumaru
23rd Aug 2008, 09:48
similar things have been said by other people many times before many months ago
Because that has ever been a concern to anyone on this forum before.

Besides, I'm still hearing "I thought DX3 is a prequel. Isn't that what everyone agrees on??" - so clearly a bit of pro-sequel repetition might help raise awareness of this just cause.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
28th Aug 2008, 22:44
Nice theory foxberg. :thumbsup:

Yeah, I like this theory too... it all fits together logically. :cool:

imported_van_HellSing
3rd Sep 2008, 21:17
Just noticed another Golden Ratio reference - at 0:54, when the "Deus Ex 3" logo is "decrypting" itself, a number appears for four consecutive frames, counting from 1.61803396 to 1.61803399

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1294/goldenratiolf8.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goldenratiolf8.jpg)

1.61803399 being the Golden Ratio. Seems really important in the teaser, with all the references.

DXeXodus
4th Sep 2008, 04:05
Wow. So that means that the numbers represent a movement from disorder to natural balance in a sense. Wonder how this could relate to the game in terms of the prequel/sequel debate. :scratch:

gamer0004
4th Sep 2008, 14:08
Seems that it indeed will be set in between DX and IW.

foxberg
4th Sep 2008, 18:00
Seems that it indeed will be set in between DX and IW.

No.

It takes place after. Read my earlier post here. Now, some more thoughts. Emile could be a new reincarnation of Jain (as in Jainism, one of the oldest Indian religions). Jains are "specially gifted human beings who have rediscovered the ["higher truth" or ultimate reality of the universe], became fully liberated and taught the spiritual path for the benefit of all living beings."(wikipedia) Fibonacchi numbers also referred to in the teaser are correlated to a Golden Ratio. Ancient Indian mathematicians were the first ones to describe those. Jain philosopher Hemachandra (c.1150) composed a work on those as well. It would be interesting to introduce another secret society, namely Jains, that were able to create the ultimate augmented human - Emile. This way this also would be a fresh character to the game not directly related to Dentons but related in a way that he (or actually could be she) is also augmented and partially cloned from the Dentons genes.

imported_van_HellSing
4th Sep 2008, 18:10
By the way, anyone considered the name Emile might not have any significance in the game, but be a reference to Eidos Montreal? Emile?

I won't comment the sequel theories.

K^2
4th Sep 2008, 18:32
"Fibonacchi numbers also referred to in the teaser are correlated to a Golden Ratio"

No, they aren't. I mean, yes, there is a relation. Ratio of two consecutive numbers in Fibonacci series approaches Golden Ratio as you get further and further into the series. It is never exact, however, since ratio of any two Fibonacci numbers is a rational number. Phi is irrational.

But there is no actual Fibonacci series in the teaser. The Logarithmic Spiral showing the Golden Ratio shows the Golden Ratio rectangles, not Fibonacci rectangles. Fibonacci rectangles start out with two squares. The Golden Ratio rectangles keep getting smaller until infinitely small. We see the later on the image from trailer.

There is nothing else that is even remotely related to Fibonacci.

Mindmute
4th Sep 2008, 18:58
Not sure How I feel about Foxberg's theory. To augment someone isn't a cheap process, so it's not something the individuals could do themselves. And even if it were, we're talking about people who (for one reason or another) made the conscious choice to be augmented.
It wasn't forced on them and they were certainly not born with augmentations. They had them installed for some purpose.
(and society already seems somewhat tolerant of Mech-Augs by the time of DX, remember the NSF saying it'd be great to have one like Gunther on their side?)

Also I'd suspect that at around 2072 if you Deus Ex keeps following the timeline it seems to be taking that a vast majority of people (at the very least, the upper classes) will have some augmentation or another (remember the little girl in Tarsus Cairo, Dx:IW, talking about how if she got in they'd give her an operation to make her smarter).

A whole plot around how society treats them would be a game I wouldn't be that happy playing to be honest.

I could see it as being one of the moral elements, but a major plot one? Doesn't seem that likely to MY eyes.


(This is all my opinion though, I'm not saying you're wrong, just saying that to me that seems like a strech).

foxberg
4th Sep 2008, 19:09
But there is no actual Fibonacci series in the teaser. The Logarithmic Spiral showing the Golden Ratio shows the Golden Ratio rectangles, not Fibonacci rectangles. Fibonacci rectangles start out with two squares. The Golden Ratio rectangles keep getting smaller until infinitely small. We see the later on the image from trailer.

There is nothing else that is even remotely related to Fibonacci.

Say what? "The Logarithmic Spiral"? Are you referring to this Fibonacci Spiral? And I'm not even going to try to get down in details trying to explain the mathematical relations between the two (Fibonacci numbers vs. Golden Ratio). I've had enough of this in my days at the Math & Physics High School years ago.

http://homepage.mac.com/foxberg/fs.jpg
This is called a Fibonacci Spiral. Guess why.

imported_van_HellSing
4th Sep 2008, 19:19
ITT foxberg fails horribly.

foxberg
4th Sep 2008, 19:33
ITT foxberg fails horribly.

Sequel vs. Prequel debates all of a sudden have a flavor of becoming reminiscent of Reps vs. Dems in their essence.

imported_van_HellSing
4th Sep 2008, 19:40
This is not even connected to the prequel/sequel issue. K^2 described pretty well how you are wrong about Fibonacci, and you just refuse to admit error.

And no, that's not a Fibonacci spiral.

foxberg
4th Sep 2008, 19:48
And no, that's not a Fibonacci spiral.

Did you even try to Google it before submitting your post? This should be called a Twilight Zone thread...

imported_van_HellSing
4th Sep 2008, 19:53
Wikipedia:


There are several similar spirals that approximate, but do not exactly equal, a golden spiral.[4] These are often confused with the golden spiral.

For example, a golden spiral can be approximated by a "whirling rectangle diagram," in which the opposite corners of squares formed by spiraling golden rectangles are connected by quarter-circles. The result is very similar to a true golden spiral (See image on top right).

Another approximation is a Fibonacci spiral, which is not a true logarithmic spiral. Every quarter turn a Fibonacci spiral gets wider not by φ, but by a changing factor related to the ratios of consecutive terms in the Fibonacci sequence. The ratios of consecutive terms in the Fibonacci series approach φ, so that the two spirals are very similar in appearance.

Satisfied?

K^2
4th Sep 2008, 19:56
Fibonacci Spiral:
http://www.inctr.org/publications/images/2004_v04_n04_s01b.gif

Logarithmic Spiral:
http://www.keplersdiscovery.com/Images/Fibonacci_spiral.jpg

Yes, they become extremely similar as you zoom out. But unless you see the center of it, there is no reason to assume it is a Fibonacci spiral. All evidence, including the fact that Phi is displayed several times before it, is that this is a Golden Ratio Logarithmic Spiral.

foxberg
5th Sep 2008, 04:01
Well, when I'm wrong I admit that I am. I guess I haven't looked at those graphs in a very long time. So, forget the Jainism theory then. But I still believe DX3 is a sequel.

And as far as Fibonacci numbers are concerned, although they are rational numbers and φ the irrational one but "Johannes Kepler observed that the ratio of consecutive Fibonacci numbers converges. He wrote that "as 5 is to 8 so is 8 to 13, practically, and as 8 is to 13, so is 13 to 21 almost”, and concluded that the limit approaches the golden ratio φ" (wikipedia)

K^2
5th Sep 2008, 04:24
Well, yeah. That's what I said above. And the fact that a sequence of rationals coverges to an irrational shouldn't be surprising either. Set of Rationals has no greatest lower bound or least upper bound. So in Rationals, the sequence does not converge. It does, however, in Real numbers, and it therefore converges to an irrational number.

Lady_Of_The_Vine
5th Sep 2008, 11:32
OMG, all this mathematical discussion scares the **** out of me! :eek:
LOL :D

Isn't the main difference between the Golden Mean spiral and the Fibonacci spiral just one of 'a beginning and an end'?
The former having no beginning or end, and the Fibonacci spiral having a definite beginning?
Or am I just confusing myself even more? :nut:



Emile could be an homage to Emile Durkheim.

Interesting thought. :)

"Emile" actually brought a different point of reference to my mind. That of the 1762 5-part document book by Rousseau, called "Emile: or, On Education"
It is a methodical discussion on the nature and education of man and addresses philosophical and political questions regarding the individual’s relationship to society, in particular how individuals can retain their natural sense of 'goodness' when living in an inevitably corrupt society.

The novelistic character of Emile and his tutor illustrates how one might educate an "ideal citizen". The initial book could be vaguely likened to a sort of 'parenting guide' as it does give reference to raising children. The first books are entirely dedicated to Emile as a child, the latter books discuss Emile during adolescence and, finally, Emile's civic/domestic/personal life during maturity.

As the trailer is dedicated to a foetus, which must obviously 'grow' from a baby into an adult, this theory fitted in nicely with Rousseau's "Emile".
So does the opening paragraph of the book, which was written way ahead of its time, and provocatively begins:

"God made all things good; man meddles with them and they become evil. He forces one soil to yield the products of another, one tree to bear another's fruit. He confuses and confounds time, place, and natural conditions. He mutilates his dog, his horse, and his slave. He destroys and defaces all things; he loves all that is deformed and monstrous; he will have nothing as nature made it, not even man himself...."

K^2
5th Sep 2008, 16:31
Isn't the main difference between the Golden Mean spiral and the Fibonacci spiral just one of 'a beginning and an end'?
The former having no beginning or end, and the Fibonacci spiral having a definite beginning?
Or am I just confusing myself even more? :nut:
It is a part of it. But Fibonacci spiral never actually matches the Logarithmic one. It comes closer and closer with every turn, but again, the rational vs irrational thing will stop it from ever matching up perfectly.

Tracer Tong
6th Sep 2008, 21:31
It is a part of it. But Fibonacci spiral never actually matches the Logarithmic one. It comes closer and closer with every turn, but again, the rational vs irrational thing will stop it from ever matching up perfectly.

Isn't the golden ratio a transcendent number too? Or am I wrong and it's only Pi and e?

CJRamze
7th Sep 2008, 20:53
Now, I dont know if anyones suggested this yet.
But do you remember the bar in hell's kitchen (The tavern I can't remember the name Of)

Theres a girl in there behind the bar who explains she was one of the first to be augmented.

If you watch the video with the flashing images you see a girl with a heavily augmented arm (Same as the Bartender in hells kitchen)

Think its the same one?!

JerichoMccoy
7th Sep 2008, 21:41
I don't know if anyone feels the same but I feel like I've learned more out of these three pages then my senior year in High School.

This is interesting how so many are trying to figure out this trailer's images and what they can so mean toward the game itself... like the pictures will unlock the "conspiracy" surrounding the game...

Which means that the folks at Eidos Montreal probably did mean when they said they are going back to the roots of DX1.

<Sniff> <Sniff> Makes me so happy :D

K^2
7th Sep 2008, 23:24
Isn't the golden ratio a transcendent number too? Or am I wrong and it's only Pi and e?
Phi Isn't one. It is because Phi is a solution of phi^2 - phi - 1 = 0. That makes it an algebraic irrational. No such equation for Pi or e exists.

DXeXodus
8th Sep 2008, 04:29
^^ I was just going to say that. ;)

3nails4you
28th Sep 2008, 23:14
Well...It doesn't seem likely. If the nano/biomods are so popular that people bother to segregate them, it means they have gone at least semi-mainstream, whereas in DX they were cutting-edge for the nano, and still-military-only for the biomechs (I may be wrong on that). This is (IMHO) renforced by the [h+] thing : transhumanism is about (among other things) mainstream nanotech. The prosthetic arm in a box ("delivered to your home" kind of thing) points also that way.

However, the ballot we see in the video says "2027"...maybe the video guy is right and it's a flashback, but it could also enforce the possibility of a prequel. Several things can be interpreted that way : all the ancient anatomical drawings , the Rembrandt picture...hints to the first steps of anatomy and medicine.

The INVM things puzzles me, the only thing I could dig up was Isolated Noncompaction Of The Ventricular Myocardium.

Anyway, looks like we're going to have to deal with angry civilians. As if terrorists and back-stabbing allies weren't enough :D

Not necessarily...the times of DX1 could be when people are starting to warm up a bit to the augs. Remember, there were plenty of semi-modified people in DX1 (ex. the bartender in Hell's Kitchen). Seems to me like this could be a period of intolerance before a realization around the time of DX1.

3nails4you
28th Sep 2008, 23:22
Now, I dont know if anyones suggested this yet.
But do you remember the bar in hell's kitchen (The tavern I can't remember the name Of)

Theres a girl in there behind the bar who explains she was one of the first to be augmented.

If you watch the video with the flashing images you see a girl with a heavily augmented arm (Same as the Bartender in hells kitchen)

Think its the same one?!

Sorry, missed this when scanning through, my hat is off to you for posting about that lady first. lol

Abram730
7th Oct 2008, 08:51
The reference might not be only to those commandments, but the decalogue as a whole: the law of God, and augmentation of the human body as "playing God" + the whole DX discussion of divinity.

Great observation van_HellSing

The name is Deus Ex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

When problems seem insurmountable some look for a God in the machine to save the day.:cool:

DXeXodus
7th Oct 2008, 09:42
The trailer certainly does make a lot more sense now that some of the game information has surfaced. And the renaissance link is easily spotted.