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barabora
2nd Mar 2007, 15:31
Now, I will here first time testing for poll-topic posting.
This topic had already shown overthere (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=86509) but there is no
permission to make a poll. And I don't know when
I will be suddenly banning from there so I will try
more and more moving my IDEAS to here. Finally,
I'm getting into real official TombRaider forum now. :cool:

(if I also banned from here... That's mean Lara dying (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=81595)... :eek: )

Topic subject is Winston. Who is Winston?
Everybody misunderstood between this guy (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr3screens16.jpg) and that guy (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr7screens744.jpg).
So I gave his name newly for easy distinguish.
This guy is Mr-Wang and that guy is Sir-Winston.
One is funny, moving, warm, non-smoking, cheif-kitchen(=cook) but
other is dignity, statue, cold, big-cigar (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1566182&postcount=136) and pipe. cheif-house

So this poll asking a question about
"You need Mr-Wang (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr3screens16.jpg) or Sir-Winston (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr7screens744.jpg) at Lara's home?"


(YES-F) I need ONLY Wang
(YES-P) I need Wang
(YES-P) I need Winston
(YES-F) I need ONLY Winston
(NO-F) I need nobody, Lara alone at home
(etc-P) I need more EXTRA who un-named at Lara's home (ex)including Wang-Winston
(etc-P) I don't care to this topic, vote-here(=EIDOS decision)
(etc-F) I don't care to this topic, vote-nothing(=I hate vote) rather replying
F: forte, P: piano


poll duration: 100 days.
poll mutiple-choice: possible
poll voter Approx. 100 members. MAX. 200
Unfortunately once poll editing impossible. :(
If you can correct, add or suggest something on the poll, reply or PM.

Treeble
2nd Mar 2007, 17:29
Mr. Wang??!

I'd rather refer to the old butler as Jeeves, where it originated from I don't know, but in the comics he was featured in, he was also named Jeeves.

Or you can simply refer to the elegant butler as Winston Smith.

Anyway, none were in the original game 10 years ago, and none really added anything to the mansion in any of the games (though Winston Smith was recognized and had a somewhat important role in the storyline of Legend).

barabora
3rd Mar 2007, 04:51
Mr. Wang??!I'd rather refer to the old butler as Jeeves, where it originated from I don't know, but in the comics he was featured in, he was also named Jeeves.Or you can simply refer to the elegant butler as Winston Smith.Anyway, none were in the original game 10 years ago, and none really added anything to the mansion in any of the games (though Winston Smith was recognized and had a somewhat important role in the storyline of Legend).


Why? You don't want this name? Mr. Wang? hehe~ :nut:
What is he name exactly in TR_02, 03? Nobody know it.
So I just given the name easily Mr. Wang. to him. He is a little bit
oriental looking, isn't it? Butler or Jeeves... These kinds of name are
not suitable to him I guess. Acutally, oriental looking will be able to
occidental name but using naitive is more reality.

Butler? He is bald? Who is Jeeve? Anyway everybody doen't know
each person's name exactly on this TR serise. So I just given name as
Mr. Wang. This name is global concept of oriental name. e.g.
there is Mr. Wang. in china, korea, japan, maybe vietnam... All asia. etc.


...none were in the original game 10 years ago...

So you voted to No.(6) or No.(8)?!?! hehe~ :rasp:
Nobody home is weild. Somebody said that...
"There were nobody in original TR_01, then nobody in TRA or future."
That's a little bit "non-sense" on nowday having high technology.
There was nobody, nothing at Lara's home because techinical
problem At that time. Rather there is dog? What do you think
about this (Lara's or Mr. Wang's) dog? Maybe this is
No.(5)(=many objects) concerning.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6694/trl20060409023117372vn.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=trl20060409023117372vn.jpg)

rabid metro
3rd Mar 2007, 05:55
...So I just given the name easily Mr. Wang. to him. He is a little bit oriental looking, isn't it?
and, of course, the reason for this is ...

... because techinical problem At that time...
*to be or not to be ...*
having a "living" mansion would be nice, but at what price???


They say that the mansion don't mean a "thang", if it ain't got "Mr. Wang". :) :rolleyes:

barabora
3rd Mar 2007, 06:06
and, of course, the reason for this is ...*to be or not to be ...* having a "living" mansion would be nice, but at what price???


Expensive? Only one object(=Mr. Wang) inserting is hard job for EIDOS?!?!
I think more inserting programming to Mr. Wang is hard job. (like this (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1554937&postcount=58))
If it is difficult and expensive... We need just Same size, Same style,
Same graphic like TR_02, TR_03. Just thinking about japan level in TRL...
So that was very difficult job at that time so?!?! I need many EXTRAs
who un-named like that at Lara's home in the future. e.g. driver, gardener,
cook(=Mr. Wang), And we can develop this skim going over the GATE to
the town... That's real meaning of "MANOR', isn't it?


They say that the mansion don't mean a "thang", if it ain't got "Mr. Wang". :) :rolleyes:

INDEED~ INDEED~ I totally agree 100% about this.
So I made this poll now. Why don't you vote right now? :p
(I regret fixing poll duration on 100 days. :( )
Just showing your opinion through the poll is better.
You are also No.(8) style guy?!?! hehehe~ :scratch:

rabid metro
3rd Mar 2007, 06:48
expensive
... as in the more developer time/resources spent in creating a living, breathing mansion (i.e. a place populated with several artificial intelligences and areas to explore, etc.)
... means the less developer time/resources spent in pounding out elements that are essential to the game, and making those elements "the greatest ever"...

said simply, i don't want a rich mansion if it means a poor game. :)

of course, who wouldn't want both: rich mansion and uber-game. :thumbsup:

urm, ehh ... don't take it personal that i simply don't like to participate in polls, typically ... :cool:


They say that there is a rumor going around that rumors are rumored to be ... well, just rumors. :rolleyes: :)

barabora
3rd Mar 2007, 08:04
expensive... as in the more developer time/resources spent in creating a living, breathing mansion (i.e. a placepopulated with several artificial intelligences and areas to explore, etc.)... means the less developer time/resources spent in pounding out elements that are essential to the game, and making those elements "the greatest ever"...

Ahha~ expensive... So we can't totally "copying" that from TR_02, 03?!?!
hmmm... EIDOS also had a "headache" about this Lara's home. hehe~ :nut:
Because public-opinion (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=81742) is absolutely TR_02, 03 style house but they already
getting into new house in TRL with Crystal?!?!

hmmm.... So there is solution!!! Making only "kitchen with Mr. Wang"
in the new house. The important thing is "the concept" like TR_02, 03
on any new graphic. Lara's home all changing? But there is kitchen,
bathroom, Auto-bike curcit, underground-room... like TR_02, 03 is OK.
There is no problem. All ppl happy. And open the GATE like TR_03 is
difficult?!?! Anyway my thinking is... If it is expensive...
Reduceing money for "story-line" and more increasing inverstement to programming.
This is my arguing. No need Amanda!!! Only the Mr. Wang is sufficiet in TR
future. (for playing with him) Don't make too much these kind of charators
for more splendid story-line in TR. No need Lara's mother what happen in the
future. When I see TRL, this is very non-sense... Lara is orpharn!!! And she
was going into orphan-house and met to Father(=TR_05)... This is original
story-line and simple!!! If EIDOS getting into this story-line making direction...
more and more and more and more expensive... Why? they need more
charactor in the future, don't they? And language dubbing?!?! I can't imagine... ****


said simply, i don't want a rich mansion if it means a poor game. of course, who wouldn't want both: rich mansion and uber-game.

Everybody said like that... Me too... So they feel "nostalgy" now.
What is this nostalgy? They need more technical advance!!!
Not story-line!!! This TR story-line is very simple. There are
just "GOOD-BAD-UGLY" and it was just BANGBANG(?)-game!!!
Lara's face is beautiful is sufficient now!!! It's very big advance.
Rather Mr. Wang cosmetic is needed. hehe~ :p
Investement more to direction "programming" in game
that's future TR direction. I'd like to make a poll about it (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1614637&postcount=36).


urm, ehh ... don't take it personal that i simply don't like to participate in polls, typically ... They say that there is a rumor going around that rumors are rumored to be ... well, just rumors. :rolleyes:

I like rumor~ :whistle:
Anyway this INTERNET is all of rumor~
But very funny~ my rumor is (very) correct~

heheh~ :rasp:

Phlip
3rd Mar 2007, 08:47
All I know is that I'd like to have "Mr Wang" (the original Butler) wich is actually called Jeeves not Mr 'Wang'!

barabora
3rd Mar 2007, 09:32
All I know is that I'd like to have "Mr Wang" (the original Butler) wich is actually called Jeeves not Mr 'Wang'!

INDEED~ INDEED~ :nut:
Jeeves... So he was Jeeves (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr3screens16.jpg)?
He is innovation to Zip (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr7screens748.jpg) in TRL?
And there is new named Winston (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr7screens744.jpg) comming?
Miserable Mr. Wang... He lost his name and
fianlly he lost also role from this TR...
We should get Mr. Wang back to
Lara's home right now!!! :mad2:

So who is he (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr5screens33.jpg)? He is Butler, isn't he? Butler came into TR_04
first time as a archaeological adviser. And he is one guy
of living-room talking in CutScean TR_05. There was 3 men...
Father-Butler(=this guy (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr5screens33.jpg))-other?

Anyway thank you for voting here.
Many~ Many~ Many~ Many~ vote here~ PLZ.
100 days duration is not long for going to 200 voter.
I've never seen over 50 voters in this FORUM.
I'd like to some poll edting but once posting poll
editing-poll impossible. That's too pity~ :(
You only Mr. Wang needed such like TR_02, 03...
That's very easy job to EIDOS. So EIDOS like you~ hehe~ :nut:

My poll system is a little bit complicated (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1611971&postcount=102).
"ONLY" mean is "strong-expression(=forte)"
"etc" mean feeling so-so more approching to "NO".
Neither Mr-Wang nor Sir-Winston.

Read carefully below and finding same item above.
You can choose 3-4 items but don't choose all.

(YES-F) I need ONLY Wang
(YES-P) I need Wang
(YES-P) I need Winston
(YES-F) I need ONLY Winston
(NO-F) I need nobody, Lara alone at home
(etc-P) I need more EXTRA who un-named at Lara's home (ex)including Wang-Winston
(etc-P) I don't care to this topic, vote-here(=EIDOS decision)
(etc-F) I don't care to this topic, vote-nothing(=I hate vote) rather replying
F: forte, P: piano

Phlip
3rd Mar 2007, 10:09
The butler in TRL changed, the original butler jeeves had a hunchback, couldn't walk properly and stank so Whinston is a new butler.

Why are butlers in nearly every movie or game called Winston smith? seriously, every butler in the world is called winston, it dosn't make any sense:scratch:

barabora
3rd Mar 2007, 10:32
The butler in TRL changed, the original butler jeeves had a hunchback, couldn't walk properly and stank so Whinston is a new butler.Why are butlers in nearly every movie or game called Winston smith? seriously, every butler in the world is called winston, it dosn't make any sense:scratch:

Yeah~ I know more and more... Butler=Jeeves=Mr. Wang (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr3screens16.jpg)
But character mixing and mixing serise by serise...
So... Rather this question is better. What do you want
oriental character or occiental character to this Mr. Wang role?
e.g. If EIDOS can make a cook at Lara's home...
You want oriental cook? or occidental cook? :rolleyes:
uni-gender character (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/image.php?u=18705&dateline=1170955199)?!?! This mean nobody can distingush
this is oriental? or occidental? Male? or Female?

Why don't you think room-maid such like "Supertremph" album-jaket?
Fat-aunt... with black named "Annaya (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr7screens747.jpg)" so everybody is confusing?
She was failed her diet. hehe~ :rasp: Mr. Wang is fixing in the kitchen now.
(before exlosion) But this fat-aunt very annoyingly following Lara in the
future TR at Lara's home. Sometime she say recording voice "Lara~
You should cleanning in your room~", "Lara~ You can't shoot in the house~"
etc. How about? Shoot her with pistol?!?! You can hear only
sound click~ click~ click~ click~ click~ click~ click~ click~ click~
(Lara can shoot nobody in the house except for Mr. Wang.)
Run-away is the best way. And such like TR_03, In her freezer~

hehe~ :lmao:

Phlip
3rd Mar 2007, 12:32
I'd just like the original butler jeeves to be the only butler lara has and there should always be a mnsion and he should always be there.

also, why are your posts so long and have laughing smilies there for no reason and why are there so many links and some paragraphs are red why?
And you write weird reasons for editing.

barabora
3rd Mar 2007, 12:46
I'd just like the original butler jeeves to be the only butler lara has and there should always be a mnsion and he should always be there.

Thank you for last replying at my thread. But only you replying? hehe~ :p
There is Mansion, There is Mr. Wang. OK~ Everybody agaree that I guess.
(I will using this name for easy understanding. whether you agree or not.)
But you want only Mr. Wang?!?! hmmm... Why? Firstly, Look this poll (http://forums.eidosgames.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2374)...
How do you translation about this poll? Japan level is high as much as top
one... So user need much objects in the level?!?! And now already 2 vote
at "increasing object (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showpost.php?p=1550821&postcount=28)" in Lara's home on this poll. This mean... they need
more objects... Whether human-being or not. Whether Lara's home or not.
Whether can shoot to them or not. Maybe this is difficult job to EIDOS?
Increasing more object for EXTRA. Actually, that was my thinking... When
increasing animals number... users don't think to shoot to animal (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=73375).

Phlip
3rd Mar 2007, 14:20
as I said before:

why are your posts so long and have laughing smilies there for no reason and why are there so many links and some paragraphs are red why?
And you write weird reasons for editing.

barabora
3rd Mar 2007, 14:45
as I said before:why are your posts so long and have laughing smilies there for no reason and why are there so many links and some paragraphs are red why?And you write weird reasons for editing.

You are also ask a question like Admin or MOD overthere. ;)
This is not so "long" to me. Maybe you feel to long for reading.
(maybe with un-grammatical syntax.) Why be long? Expression more
detailly by language which not fluently... That is the reason why
my posting too long each time. You can easily express and explain
by your language to others? Red colored?! Therefore... when you
feel boring to read this postings whole, just see that red colored
syntax such like Head-Line in newpaper and ignoring. Linking?!?!
I don't want to lose any my posting though everybody say
"Yours are all garbage" but I don't want to lose my IDEA bank(?) from DB.
Just Think... if they deleate all of my posting from DB... So Is this FORUM?
This is just chatting-board so? weiild reason for editing?!?!
That's just my habit. Don't do let freely first posting.


Ok:) so what does DB and NB stand for?:)

DataBase,


NB nota bene

You write NB to draw someone's attention to what you are about to say or write. NB The opinions stated in this essay do not necessarily represent those of the Church of God Missionary Society.

So they also Don't do like this... I don't know why...
This is too short to new reply person to person.
This mean... Only you and me using correspondancy now.
This is not chatting-board. But they do using like
chatting-board in any FORUM in the world. Ha~ Hac~ :scratch:
I'm also Admin in several forum in the INTERNET.
But I don't permit in my forum 2 or 3 line and
only posting number increasing. e.g. some guy had
over 24,000 posting but that guy always using only
2 or 3 line reply in the forum. This is not good for DB.
DB mean saving IDEAS bank... for conclusion through
arguing, sometime using bad language for fighting, discussion... etc.

Ah? Maybe notice by E-mail impossible if I using like editing-post?!?!
Anyway your question is too short to use new reply so I use like this.
Incresing reply number on this topic? Sure!!! I know that!!!
But That's newbies action don't know about what is FORUM.

Phlip
3rd Mar 2007, 14:48
Ok:)

so what does DB and NB stand for?:)

and I like the editing messages:thumbsup:

pinkangel07
3rd Mar 2007, 18:29
Why? You don't want this name? Mr. Wang? hehe~
What is he name exactly in TR_02, 03? Nobody know it.

In Tomb Raider Chronicles, he was referred to as Winston. Jeeves was used earlier probably because every butler is Jeeves or Winston.

aussie500
4th Mar 2007, 03:49
Winston was not in the original, so l voted for option 5. Also Winston has never looked oriental to me

barabora
4th Mar 2007, 06:16
In Tomb Raider Chronicles, he was referred to as Winston. Jeeves was used earlier probably because every butler is Jeeves or Winston.

Probably you're right. Mixing their name, face and role TR serise by serise.
In fact, you can feel a little bit obnoxiouse show your voting to where
but just think light. Don't feel seriously about this poll. This is also fun
voting for analysis every voters favorite about poll subject. So this guy
like Winston(=occidental) rather than Mr. Wang(=oriental) at Lara's home.
Because this guy select Only Winston... and other object plus at Lara's
home. I'd like to edit this question option more and more detailly for easy
understanding to select but this poll once setting impossible editing.
Should be very careful made poll at the first time. Then... You also agree
Winston who don't have moving program like TRL? "Only Winston" mean...
insisting occidental character at Lara's home. You want see statue Winston
agian in the future TR? Ahha~ You want just Winston character but
programing like Mr. Wang?!?! hehe~ :nut:

That's a little bit non-sense on character personality along your selection.
Noramlly setting on this Winston with dignity. But he can give us any fun
situation like TR_02,03?!?! I selected Mr. Wang mean I need see more fun
programing from him like TR_02, TR_03. And I know everybody also does.
So finally I think 2 persons(=Mr. Wang who have a fun personality as a cook,
Sir-Winston statue with Big-Cigar in living-room as a cheif of house manager.)
introducing at Lara's home. This guy (http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/12925/2004408049167787419_th.jpg) selected only Wang... Mean...
100% agree and insist making situation same like TR_02, 03...


Winston was not in the original, so l voted for option 5. Also Winston has never looked oriental to me

Welcome into a poll. Thank you anyway to vote here~ :D
This guy vote to "Nobody home" mean... There is no any
feel to fun from Mr. Wang role in Lara's home. This guy insist
to see very perfect same like original TR_01 on 1995-1996.
through this poll action. But this time having more innovation
technology then you feel need to insist to see 100% same like
TR_01?!?! I guess, anyway this guy seem to think more important
"story-line" or same situation settings than technological showing.
So I'd like to ask a question to this guy. You want to see "masion"
(=Lara's home) in the future TR?

aussie500
4th Mar 2007, 07:21
No l just do not see the point of adding Winston to the game, he is introduced as Lara's new butler in Tomb Raider 2. Why would he be in anniversary which is a retelling of the story from Tomb Raider 1? Fair enough if the present day mansion is included l would expect to see Sir Winston, but if the mansion like the story is set in the past l will expect it to stick to the old timeline, the old mansion and no Winston.

barabora
4th Mar 2007, 07:44
No l just do not see the point of adding Winston to the game, he is introduced as Lara's new butler in Tomb Raider 2. Why would he be in anniversary which is a retelling of the story from Tomb Raider 1? Fair enough if the present day mansion is included l would expect to see Sir Winston, but if the mansion like the story is set in the past l will expect it to stick to the old timeline, the old mansion and no Winston.

Saying Very complicated with only several line writing.
My analysis seem be right~ Don't be manner to (only) me.
Just say directly for clearly understanding without sentence
manner in the next time. I hate "sophisticate" sentence.

:lmao:


...Why would he be in anniversary which is a retelling of the story from Tomb Raider 1?...

This guy "TRA=TR_01 re-make, so there is noboday at Lara's home"


...the old mansion and no Winston...

N.B.: Click here (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=87122)~ (think about homekeeper)

But want to see something fun(?) like TR_02, 03... Now I know
more and more... Occidental ppl need Winston at Lara's home.
Oriental ppl need Mr. Wang at Lara's home. But from time to time
there is Mr. Wang is needed by occidental ppl. Why? he is more FUN!!!
This think of fun like TR_02, 03 inspite of they are occidental ppl.
So this guy keeping very strictly originality. TRA=TR_01,
so keep this TRA nearly same atmosphere like TR_01.
Actually, this poll asking the future TR including TRA.
Think just simply. If you get chance only 1 guy selection.
ONLY ONE GUY at Lara's home.

Mr. Wang (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr3screens16.jpg)?(=TR_02, 03) or Sir-Winston (http://www.captain-alban.com/posters/tr7screens744.jpg)?(=TRL)
Maybe you're also choose Sir-Winston inspite of statue... :p
But there will be able to naughty of EIDOS...
What will we do when EIDOS put into Mr. Wang
but statue like Winston because money problem.
(=expensive to set a programing)

hehe~ :nut: