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Chewbie Man
21st Jan 2007, 21:54
While the Destroyer seems to possess adequate flak cannons in comparison to the Battleship or the Heavy Cruiser, the Heavy Cruiser does not.

Whereas for fighting the good battle, the Battleship stands out primarily as vessel of choice.

Also, the Destroyer also has Anti-Submarine weapons.

So what's the purpose of the Heavy Cruiser?

I'm not well versed on it, however. Hence me asking this question.

I was told it has superior range on it's main armaments to the Battleship, but it seems somewhat irrelevant compared to the damage the Battleship can take and deliver.

DarthMoron99
21st Jan 2007, 23:01
CAs carry torpedos as well.

eric240000
21st Jan 2007, 23:09
I don't think CAs have better range then a BB :P The main purpose for a Heavy Cruiser is pretty much as an enforcer. Its can withstand decent amounts of damage while supporting the rest of the fleet. Also usually great at taking out enemy torp ships while friendly BBs are concentrating fire on enemy BBs and such.

Nemo1313
21st Jan 2007, 23:30
I don't think CAs have better range then a BB :P The main purpose for a Heavy Cruiser is pretty much as an enforcer. Its can withstand decent amounts of damage while supporting the rest of the fleet. Also usually great at taking out enemy torp ships while friendly BBs are concentrating fire on enemy BBs and such.

I don't know what CA stands for but I'm assuming it's the smallest fastest ship they have in the demo?

Either way, this whole thing confuses me too. Why have an "enforcer" when you can just put a destroyer with a BB? The destroyer has anti-sub stuff, more armor, and longer range than the other one doesn't it? So what's the point of ever using the other one?

Is it supremely faster than the destroyer or something? And even if it is, the ONLY time I could ever see speed helping in a match is if you maybe put one boat off to the side to be like a mobile AA for incoming bombers.. Then if all of the sudden another ship reaalllly needs help, you can very slowly crawl towards it from the side, and hopefully finish it off right after it blows your other ship to pieces.

And again, if you're using one of the smaller ships to accompany the BB, what use is speed? You're not going to be going faster than BB anyway.

Idk, the whole ship thing confuses me greatly like I said. If you have a lighter armored, smaller, yet faster ship .... What's the benefit? Speed you can't use? I mean I understand technically you can move around faster than the BB's and such, but you can't really try to out maneuver them since they'll blow you to pieces (or at least half dead) by the time you ever get in firing range anyway.. So what's the point? Why use em? I mean that as a dead serious question, not an angry rant, lol, I seriously don't know what the benefit is, and I'd like to get better out at sea.

kwintone
21st Jan 2007, 23:33
CAs carry torpedos as well.

not exactly...

i could be wrong, but last night i was playing as one of the US shipyards and launched a Northhampton CA only to find no torpedos. the weapon select would only go between ARTY and AA...:scratch:

i thought that CAs did carry torps, but maybe some do not?

DarthMoron99
21st Jan 2007, 23:36
Hmmm. I'll check.

darklord212
21st Jan 2007, 23:37
CA stands for Heavy crusier its a little faster then BBs but not as much range like between dd,cl,and bb and some do have torps or good aa and decent size guns like the triple 8s or double 8s inch bbs have guns that range from 12 to 18 inch.
like that kongo has 12.2 and that renown has 15 i think. That yamamoto has 18.1 and i bit they hurt pierce any armor.

Cardinalkev
22nd Jan 2007, 00:03
Here's how I use the Heavy Cruiser.

If I happen to be in charge of both shipyards I build 2 BB's and 2 CA's go to the map and set a waypoint for the enemy shipyards. One or more of them are going to get through and the enemy shipyards are toast. This has never failed.

imnotcanadian
22nd Jan 2007, 00:15
I don't know what CA stands for but I'm assuming it's the smallest fastest ship they have in the demo?

Either way, this whole thing confuses me too. Why have an "enforcer" when you can just put a destroyer with a BB? The destroyer has anti-sub stuff, more armor, and longer range than the other one doesn't it? So what's the point of ever using the other one?

Is it supremely faster than the destroyer or something? And even if it is, the ONLY time I could ever see speed helping in a match is if you maybe put one boat off to the side to be like a mobile AA for incoming bombers.. Then if all of the sudden another ship reaalllly needs help, you can very slowly crawl towards it from the side, and hopefully finish it off right after it blows your other ship to pieces.

And again, if you're using one of the smaller ships to accompany the BB, what use is speed? You're not going to be going faster than BB anyway.

Idk, the whole ship thing confuses me greatly like I said. If you have a lighter armored, smaller, yet faster ship .... What's the benefit? Speed you can't use? I mean I understand technically you can move around faster than the BB's and such, but you can't really try to out maneuver them since they'll blow you to pieces (or at least half dead) by the time you ever get in firing range anyway.. So what's the point? Why use em? I mean that as a dead serious question, not an angry rant, lol, I seriously don't know what the benefit is, and I'd like to get better out at sea.

Speed is more benificial than you think....When engaging at long range,speed is one of your best assets. It makes it harder to judge where you will be at,especially if you constantly slow down and speed up after the enemy fires a salvo. If you have a fast ship,chances are its small. Subs will have hell hitting you at any distace.

Cardinalkev
22nd Jan 2007, 00:19
Use the age old method of steering for the last burst. When the enemy fires and the shells fall short immediately steer closer, he will miss you as he adjusts his fire. This will give you a one salvo advantage and if you know your stuff thats all you'll need.

xgamerms999
22nd Jan 2007, 02:56
CAs carry torpedos as well.

The Tone class (Jap) has Torps.
The Northhampton class (USA) has none. Also the CAs are faster than BBs by 3.
(CV 20; BB 25; SS (surfaced) 30 (submerged) 25; CA 28; DD 40)

Telaziz
22nd Jan 2007, 18:12
SS 25 submerged/30 surface

Turtle55555
22nd Jan 2007, 19:19
Pairing a CA with a BB will put any unit down.
I like to combine my BB and my CA onto the enemies BB use my other BB to damage/harass the enemy and then you said speed doesn't matter well out of nowhere my DD has gone around the whole battle and starts shelling your bases. It takes a bit from the DD but it will take at least one shipyard out and by then me CA or BB will be in range to take out the other one.
Bottom line, all the units have strengths and weaknesses you can use them any way you want, but learning them and using them to your advantage and you enemies disadvantage get you the victory.

Sam0096
22nd Jan 2007, 20:02
I usually use a pair of CA's for hunting down Japanese destroyers who head towards the US carriers at the start of the game, or as protection for my sides Battleships also they are really useful for knocking out the Japanese land installations whilst the enemy players concentrate on my Battleships. If I play as the Japanese I use very similar tactics.
Cheers
Sam

Beastttt
22nd Jan 2007, 21:19
Japanese CA's(heavy cruisers)historically carried torpedoes
namely the type 93 Long lance and it was bigger than the allied torps being 24"in diameter compared to the allied 21"torp and had like 4 times the range
but from what I asked earlier on these forums was that while the Japanese had torps on their Ca's the damage caused was the same as allied torps


not exactly...

i could be wrong, but last night i was playing as one of the US shipyards and launched a Northhampton CA only to find no torpedos. the weapon select would only go between ARTY and AA...:scratch:

i thought that CAs did carry torps, but maybe some do not?

Kongo has 14" guns like KGV

Ca's would be good in defending against DD's,PT's and aircraft
while having arty vs shore targets and last a bit longer to deliver a torp spread to that deeper in you foe's fleet (atleast for the Japanese)

CA stands for Heavy crusier its a little faster then BBs but not as much range like between dd,cl,and bb and some do have torps or good aa and decent size guns like the triple 8s or double 8s inch bbs have guns that range from 12 to 18 inch.
like that kongo has 12.2 and that renown has 15 i think. That yamamoto has 18.1 and i bit they hurt pierce any armor.

try salvo chasing that will confuse your foes


Speed is more benificial than you think....When engaging at long range,speed is one of your best assets. It makes it harder to judge where you will be at,especially if you constantly slow down and speed up after the enemy fires a salvo. If you have a fast ship,chances are its small. Subs will have hell hitting you at any distace.

subs doing 25/30 knots
since when did anybody build a better boat than the German type XXl(andd this was a late war boat 44)

guess they had to give the Tone something since she was a hybrid cruiser with scout planes

do the other japanese Ca's have torps?
Mogami,Takao,Myoko


The Tone class (Jap) has Torps.
The Northhampton class (USA) has none. Also the CAs are faster than BBs by 3.
(CV 20; BB 25; SS 25; CA 28; DD 40)

Lochar
23rd Jan 2007, 00:37
Havent checked the games setup but typical Destroyers had more AA guns than cruisers, but I hadnt noticed it ingame, they all seem to have the same AA.

Matter of fact , I hadnt been paying attention to see if the catapaults were on CAs or BBS. I hope they have em in game.

Honestly as hard as it is to knock out the BBs at times it doesnt pay to use much else..:)

imnotcanadian
23rd Jan 2007, 01:14
The CA's are great for AA screens for your carriers. They are more of an escort ship anyway....leave it to the Battleships to charge headlong into the fight. Also,if you do end up engaging ships with them...the Japanese have fitted them with torp tubes.

eric240000
23rd Jan 2007, 02:34
Havent checked the games setup but typical Destroyers had more AA guns than cruisers, but I hadnt noticed it ingame, they all seem to have the same AA.

Matter of fact , I hadnt been paying attention to see if the catapaults were on CAs or BBS. I hope they have em in game.

Honestly as hard as it is to knock out the BBs at times it doesnt pay to use much else..:)

Umm I think CAs (Heavy Cruisers) have way better AA than DDs (Destroyers). Not only are CAs much bigger meaning more AA slots, they can also fit larger caliber AA guns than a tiny destroyer. CAs are excellent escort ships because they are well rounded with decent sized guns, AA and armor.

Lochar
23rd Jan 2007, 06:01
Umm I think CAs (Heavy Cruisers) have way better AA than DDs (Destroyers). Not only are CAs much bigger meaning more AA slots, they can also fit larger caliber AA guns than a tiny destroyer. CAs are excellent escort ships because they are well rounded with decent sized guns, AA and armor.

Your right that was my mistake, misreading info on them as thought read they added extra AA for AA screens but they still were alot less than current Baltimore class Heavy Cruiser.

Corvall
23rd Jan 2007, 18:05
So far I haven't used the CAs much, since if you pretty much have to launch two BBs to survive. I'd think the CAs could be used as more of a 'quick strike' craft to either go after the American CVs or Japanese airfields. Their better speed would be more helpful on a larger map.

Corvall

killzoik
23rd Jan 2007, 18:21
ca (Heavy cruiser) tend to be decently armed ships that have a good speed and armour , they're kind of a smaller battleship

spicerack
23rd Jan 2007, 21:52
Historicaly Japanese CA's carry torps,many classes of ca's.However the U.S CA's did not, as well as the british for the most part(few exceptions).

Japanese Ca's also carried more main armament as opposed to their counterparts,the trade off is in the armour of the U.S ships and damage control.

Another factor was Japanese ships carried poor radar and no sonor up till 1943 and even after '43 their sonar was substandred to the U.S.

xgamerms999
23rd Jan 2007, 23:55
ca (Heavy cruiser) tend to be decently armed ships that have a good speed and armour , they're kind of a smaller battleship


I prefer the term "portable":lol:

Nemo1313
24th Jan 2007, 03:41
Ahh ok, seems to make a little more sense now, thanks. I did notice last night that the lightest fastest ship in the demo broke through our team's line with the speed and laid waste to my airfield quick before our bigger ships could catch up with it, so I guess that demonstrated a little bit, heheheh.

But yeah the tactics and info helped alot, thanks!

crabclaw12
24th Jan 2007, 03:55
While the Destroyer seems to possess adequate flak cannons in comparison to the Battleship or the Heavy Cruiser, the Heavy Cruiser does not.

Whereas for fighting the good battle, the Battleship stands out primarily as vessel of choice.

Also, the Destroyer also has Anti-Submarine weapons.

So what's the purpose of the Heavy Cruiser?

I'm not well versed on it, however. Hence me asking this question.

I was told it has superior range on it's main armaments to the Battleship, but it seems somewhat irrelevant compared to the damage the Battleship can take and deliver.


the purpouse of a heavy cruiser is to provide aa fire and back up artillary fire for all the ships in the area