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GR34
17th Jan 2007, 01:09
will ther be kamakazie it may be racist or w/e u want to call it but 4 authenticity's sake i think there should be just because it would be freaking mcool to fly a plane in to a carrier and own it with one plane or crash it into an unexpecting battleship

Divine_Wind
17th Jan 2007, 01:26
You can crash your plane into a boat Kamikaze style, some ships can be destroyed with this method.

-Keir

imnotcanadian
17th Jan 2007, 01:27
Use the freaking search button. Its there for a reason.:mad2:

Maybach
17th Jan 2007, 01:28
This topic has already been discussed and the answer is yes; the player will have the ability to ran his/her aircraft into a ship, causing lots of damage. And I don't think the term Kamikaze is racist because in Japanese it means Divine Wind.

imnotcanadian
17th Jan 2007, 01:31
Not only has it been discussed....its been discussed thouroughly. Use the search button next time. I wish a mod would delete all of the spam posts so we have one for each topic...not seven.

Damaged Soldier
17th Jan 2007, 02:37
That is why this Thread is here-->http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=62134

princecaspian4
17th Jan 2007, 03:14
will ther be kamakazie it may be racist or w/e u want to call it but 4 authenticity's sake i think there should be just because it would be freaking mcool to fly a plane in to a carrier and own it with one plane or crash it into an unexpecting battleship

actually, it wouldn't be authentic, they didn't start using kamikaze tactics until later in the war (around the time of the battle of Leyte Gulf), also one plane wouldn't "own" a carrier, kamikaze wasn't a good tactic, and it would take more then one plane to take down a ship


Approximately 2,800 Kamikaze attackers sunk 34 Navy ships, damaged 368 others, killed 4,900 sailors, and wounded over 4,800. Despite radar detection and cuing, airborne interception and attrition, and massive antiaircraft barrages, a distressing 14 percent of Kamikazes survived to score a hit on a ship;
that was from the US air force historical studies office
they used 2800 planes and only sank 34 ships, only 14% made it to their target, that isn't very good odds, even if all planes made it through, i figured that they would only have sunk about 242 ships (if my math is right)
that means that it took about 82 planes to sink 1 ship (not 82 hits, but they lost 82 planes to get one kill)
it isn't a very effective tactic

imnotcanadian
17th Jan 2007, 03:37
When you have the massive influx of new recruits ready to die for their country as did Japan,it is.

princecaspian4
17th Jan 2007, 04:06
When you have the massive influx of new recruits ready to die for their country as did Japan,it is.

but in this game you don't have enough planes, would you use up most of your air power to sink only 1 or 2 ships,
and even with all those people they still only sank 34 ships, it is only good when your planes (or in the case of japan, your pilots) don't stand a chance, japan also had problems with fuel, so kamikaze made more sense, they only need enough fuel for a one way trip, but in this game, fuel isn't an issue, you only have a limited amount of planes that could be put to better uses, and there is still no guarantee that you will get through to your target
but as i said before kamikaze attacks weren't used much (if at all) at this point in the war

imnotcanadian
17th Jan 2007, 04:16
But lets say there is a cruiser,battleship,carrier....you pick....severly damaged,but with sufficient escorts that you can't attack it with your remaining fleet of ships. What do you do? Send in your kamakazies to finish it off. With you piloting the planes and attacking from multiple directions you should have no problems getting through with at least half of the squadrons you sent in (assuming you sent in at least 4). I see this as a viable tactic....even while using the Americans.

princecaspian4
17th Jan 2007, 04:23
But lets say there is a cruiser,battleship,carrier....you pick....severly damaged,but with sufficient escorts that you can't attack it with your remaining fleet of ships. What do you do? Send in your kamakazies to finish it off. With you piloting the planes and attacking from multiple directions you should have no problems getting through with at least half of the squadrons you sent in (assuming you sent in at least 4). I see this as a viable tactic....even while using the Americans.

only if for some reason you don't have time to land your planes and rearm them, because bombs can do more damage then planes, if you want to once you have dropped your bomb you could just not pull out of your dive, but you can attack again and again with a bomber, but you only have one shot with a kamikaze

imnotcanadian
17th Jan 2007, 04:40
You gain a tactical advantage of not wasting all that time flying back to rearm...unless you have a carrier nearby their fleet,which should never happen. Drop your bombs,circle around,then hit the ship. Losing 6 dive bombers and taking out a ship isn't to shabby, especially when you have between 30 and 40 other planes waiting to launch.

princecaspian4
17th Jan 2007, 04:54
You gain a tactical advantage of not wasting all that time flying back to rearm...unless you have a carrier nearby their fleet,which should never happen. Drop your bombs,circle around,then hit the ship. Losing 6 dive bombers and taking out a ship isn't to shabby, especially when you have between 30 and 40 other planes waiting to launch.

if their ships are in such bad shape that a few kamikaze planes can take them out, i wouldn't worry about the time to rearm, i would prefer to try and keep my planes to take out the rest of their fleet, because say you had 12 torpedo bombers or dive bombers out, you may take out that carrier, but now you are short 12 bombers and still need to kill the rest of the enemy fleet, so if you had 30 planes waiting, you now only have 18, you can't sustain attacks like that, the only reason i can see for doing that is if yo don't have the time (maybe they have reinforcements coming that would make it impossible to get the enemy ship, so you must act now, or your ship is in just as bad shape and you need to take them out before they take you out) or if all you need to do is sink the carrier, in that case don't save anything for later, throw everything you have at them

imnotcanadian
17th Jan 2007, 05:00
Thats what I'm saying. Situations where your down to the wire and you need to inflict damage fast. Dive bombers would be the best at this because they could drop their ordinance and just keep on a straight course for the ship after their bombs are dropped. Or you could take a torp plane and ram it into the side of the ship as you drop the fish into the water,causing the ship to flood. It all just depends on how much damage a plane can do to a ship for this to work. I wouldn't use 12 planes...maybe 4 squadrons of 2 at the most.

princecaspian4
17th Jan 2007, 05:06
Thats what I'm saying. Situations where your down to the wire and you need to inflict damage fast. Dive bombers would be the best at this because they could drop their ordinance and just keep on a straight course for the ship after their bombs are dropped. Or you could take a torp plane and ram it into the side of the ship as you drop the fish into the water,causing the ship to flood. It all just depends on how much damage a plane can do to a ship for this to work. I wouldn't use 12 planes...maybe 4 squadrons of 2 at the most.

ya, i think it is more of a last ditch effort, i fall else fails, ram them, but if you have other options, you should take them, i don't think that this would be a good tactic to use from the start, only use it when you must, it is always better to get your planes back and launch another attack then to send them on a one way trip, and if you do use it, only use a few planes, you don't want to waste them

m t freestyler
17th Jan 2007, 06:55
dont forget that the computer takes over wen the bombs are dropped so its safer to rearm andbomb again instead of turjning into aa fire and then its all just a waste of time

imnotcanadian
17th Jan 2007, 14:59
I'm pretty sure you will still be able to control it after you drop the bombs.

Speen88
17th Jan 2007, 18:19
dont forget that the computer takes over wen the bombs are dropped so its safer to rearm andbomb again instead of turjning into aa fire and then its all just a waste of time

in the options menu they'll probably have a feature were you can turn that off so you can get back into combat. Or maybe when you drop bombs you'll just have to hit a button to skip the bomb sequence.

Keir can you answer this?
Much appreciated.

GamerAndy
17th Jan 2007, 18:32
in the options menu they'll probably have a feature were you can turn that off so you can get back into combat. Or maybe when you drop bombs you'll just have to hit a button to skip the bomb sequence.

Keir can you answer this?
Much appreciated.

It was mentioned in several of the previews i've read that the "bomb follow cam" only happens if you hold down the "drop bomb" button. If you just press it, the view does not change and you continue flying as normal

andy3536
17th Jan 2007, 18:34
will ther be kamakazie it may be racist or w/e u want to call it but 4 authenticity's sake i think there should be just because it would be freaking mcool to fly a plane in to a carrier and own it with one plane or crash it into an unexpecting battleship


The japanease didn't use kamakazie's this early so they will not be in the game, but there is nothing to stop you flying into a ship! But will it do enough damage to make you want to crash the plane as apposed to dropping a bomb/torp and going round again? If it does not do any more damage than a bomb from a dive bomber then it will not be worth it!

zycore
17th Jan 2007, 18:40
Wow I got banned for a day becuase I asked a question and didnt put my post in the "Ask the Dev's Thread" is this not a question for the developers?

:mad2:


BTW my question never was anwsered.

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=608551#post608551

andy3536
17th Jan 2007, 19:04
Wow I got banned for a day becuase I asked a question and didnt put my post in the "Ask the Dev's Thread" is this not a question for the developers?

:mad2:


BTW my question never was anwsered.

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=608551#post608551


There is a reciever that will run 360 controller on pc but not sure when it is released. Why not use origional xbox controller.

zycore
17th Jan 2007, 19:11
You must of read my post wrong. I already own a XBox 360 controler that is made to work with my PC(No reviever required)http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=091. My question is will the PC version of Battlestations Miday Support the PC XBox 360 controler.

MotorbreathX
17th Jan 2007, 19:14
Keir has said that he is working on answering as many questions as he can and will get them posted soon. Until then, unless it's been posted before, we can't really help until the game comes out. :)

andy3536
17th Jan 2007, 19:16
You must of read my post wrong. I already own a XBox 360 controler that is made to work with my PC(No reviever required)http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=091. My question is will the PC version of Battlestations Miday Support the PC XBox 360 controler.


Sorry my mistake. Don't see why it wouldn't if its already set up with pc.

zycore
17th Jan 2007, 19:34
Just because it works with windows dose not mean the game will support it. The game FABLE which was released on both the the Xbox and the PC did not have support for the xbox 360 controler for the PC.

I know the dev's are busy and will anwser questions when they have the anwsers. thanks :D

princecaspian4
17th Jan 2007, 22:39
The japanease didn't use kamakazie's this early so they will not be in the game, but there is nothing to stop you flying into a ship! But will it do enough damage to make you want to crash the plane as apposed to dropping a bomb/torp and going round again? If it does not do any more damage than a bomb from a dive bomber then it will not be worth it!

in reality, unless the plane was outfitted for kamikaze attacks (by "outfitted for kamikaze attacks" i mean packed with explosive) they won't do as much damage as a bomb, even when they were outfitted for kamikaze attacks, because of their size weight and speed they would have trouble getting through armor, because AP bombs are made to get through armor, planes aren't

imnotcanadian
17th Jan 2007, 23:09
Kamakazies were primarily used as a terror weapon,much like the V2 rocket and the Tiger tanks that the Germans deployed.

princecaspian4
18th Jan 2007, 05:07
Kamakazies were primarily used as a terror weapon,much like the V2 rocket and the Tiger tanks that the Germans deployed.

ya, the fear they created was out of proportion to the damage they caused

m t freestyler
18th Jan 2007, 05:31
to tell you the truth seeing a plane flying own directly at you would make you ***** yourself and possibly wet yourself too

Ripsnort
18th Jan 2007, 18:28
Kamikazes didn’t really appear until late in the war 44 I believe, so you really didn’t see them in the Battle of Midway.

True that they didn’t sink many ships this way but they did do a lot of damage to their targets.
And if you can take out the guns on a ship or even lower the morale of the crew, you have a better chance of sinking the ship.

charlie_six
21st Jan 2007, 21:19
The most effective kamikaze attacks were those of 9/11 -_-
And remember, after 9/11, there were some accusations that the hijackers used some flight sims to practice ramming planes into buildings. Not sure if it's even true, but it's probably a bad idea to have a game that lets you kamikaze into things with devastating results. :\

Capt:.Cavan
21st Jan 2007, 21:41
The most effective kamikaze attacks were those of 9/11 -_-
And remember, after 9/11, there were some accusations that the hijackers used some flight sims to practice ramming planes into buildings. Not sure if it's even true, but it's probably a bad idea to have a game that lets you kamikaze into things with devastating results. :\

what?! what?! what?! , what the hell does midway have in common with 9/11, anyway that would be a bit drastic


but it's probably a bad idea to have a game that lets you kamikaze into things with devastating results

i have peronally played lots of games doing that exact thing, its alast ditch attempt, imagine your a bomber and you wingmates are shot down and this BB is almost sunk ( even though i think kamakaze in midway is impossible) and you have already dropped your bombs, im sure anyone would try crash into it not suddenly think " oh this is bad because it involves something with 9/11" . I know its a sensitive subject but still there no way these things are related