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shanehead
18th Dec 2006, 20:00
ive been wondering, do you think we will be able to use the b-17's online, and other bigger planes. and one more question somebody might know, what exactly does the shipyard do? sorry if this already came up

Tzmir
18th Dec 2006, 20:14
I would think shipyard makes ships

shanehead
18th Dec 2006, 20:18
I would think shipyard makes ships

ya but online, also i thought you started with all of the ships

Tzmir
18th Dec 2006, 20:50
Until the enemy destroys it you can make replacements for your lost ships.

chip5541
18th Dec 2006, 21:36
yeah. As for the B-17 question taht is why I posted the question about if possible we can see a screen shot of teh MP setup screen.

Alpha Wolfgang
18th Dec 2006, 23:20
i hope you can get about 18 b-17's, with 3 at a time... not sure why, but i like b-17's... and i like carpet bombing.... maybe we should have the b29 mitchell so we can land and re-arm on CV's, b29's have shorter take off/landing distance than the lengthy b-17

princecaspian4
19th Dec 2006, 00:14
i hope you can get about 18 b-17's, with 3 at a time... not sure why, but i like b-17's... and i like carpet bombing.... maybe we should have the b29 mitchell so we can land and re-arm on CV's, b29's have shorter take off/landing distance than the lengthy b-17
ya, we could redo the Doolittle raid in online battles, that would be a surprise for the other team

Dutch Jester
19th Dec 2006, 01:53
CARPET BOMBING!!! im gonna carpet bomb the world muahahaha

Alpha Wolfgang
19th Dec 2006, 02:02
but the b29 i think wasnt made yet, but still, it would be cool to have! or some other CV capable heavy/medium bomber.

dive bombing will be a thrill!!!

princecaspian4
19th Dec 2006, 02:17
your right, it hadn't been made yet, the B-29's first flight was in September of 1942, and it's first combat flight was on June 5 1944, and 10 days later B-29s bombed mainland Japan for the first time since the Doolittle raid in 1942. and it isn't listed on the war machines page so i don't think it will be in the game

Beastttt
19th Dec 2006, 04:24
think that 12 is the limit to have off a carrier probably the same for ground based aircraft
the Doolittle raid that had B-25 Michell's taking off the USS Hornet could not land those aircraft(needed more deck than a carrier had and no arresting hook)the plan was for them to make it to China and hook up with the flying tigers(none made it to an airbase)

B-25 mitchells have a shorter takeoff and landing than a B-17
the B-29 superfortess had the longest


i hope you can get about 18 b-17's, with 3 at a time... not sure why, but i like b-17's... and i like carpet bombing.... maybe we should have the b29 mitchell so we can land and re-arm on CV's, b29's have shorter take off/landing distance than the lengthy b-17

shanehead
19th Dec 2006, 22:06
Until the enemy destroys it you can make replacements for your lost ships.

where did you here this from, i believe that responing huge battleships would be a little unrealistic excpessially during a battle.:scratch:

i really hope you cant build ships in the matter of a 20 min battle:mad2:

plz make an option if not already to have rebuildable ship on or off

princecaspian4
19th Dec 2006, 22:19
where did you here this from, i believe that responing huge battleships would be a little unrealistic excpessially during a battle.:scratch:

i really hope you cant build ships in the matter of a 20 min battle:mad2:

plz make an option if not already to have rebuildable ship on or off

i had heard that some of the online battles can take an hour or more, not 20 minuets, so even though it won't be realistic, it would make the battles better, and you can destroy the enemies shipyard (i had heard that you can make destroying the enemies shipyard the point of the battle) and if you couldn't replace ships then you may have problems of only having one ship left and the player with the last ship decides that he wants to hide with it so you have to wait until he is found, or you could have a game where the last ships on both sides are subs, you would just sit there, because with ought tracking torpedoes it would be very hard to hit a sub with a torp. the games aren’t going to be deathmatch (i have heard that they will all be objective based games), so being able to keep your fleet to max strength would make a better game,

TheMetalStorm
20th Dec 2006, 00:30
Yeah...That'd be a bit unrealistis. But I'm sure there would be a mode for that.

Sigma
20th Dec 2006, 18:38
I believe ship yards on here are not for making ships, but for getting supplies and men out to your ships, like say you have a Fletcher Desroyer that has just came under aircraft attack and is on fire, but is low on crew because some were killed from aircraft fire. Ok click on your shipyard and it has a number of supply boats and ond transports you can click on, you click on the transport and it comes out of the ship yard full of people and you can watch them board your ship to reload and repair your boat :D

if you keep your ships well repaired and keep the crew alive I'd say battles could last a whole lot longer then 20 minutes...

I suspect Airfields serve as not only a plane runway but also a place to launch bombers and larger planes that can't be placed on a carrier...

shanehead
20th Dec 2006, 19:42
I believe ship yards on here are not for making ships, but for getting supplies and men out to your ships, like say you have a Fletcher Desroyer that has just came under aircraft attack and is on fire, but is low on crew because some were killed from aircraft fire. Ok click on your shipyard and it has a number of supply boats and ond transports you can click on, you click on the transport and it comes out of the ship yard full of people and you can watch them board your ship to reload and repair your boat :D

if you keep your ships well repaired and keep the crew alive I'd say battles could last a whole lot longer then 20 minutes...

so if you kill gunners bigger ship wouldnt be able to replace the men??? i could understand and expect this on small patrol boats bout on an aircraft carrier???

Thanks for the info never would have thought of that, suppy stations = shipyard:thumbsup:

TheMetalStorm
20th Dec 2006, 19:51
Makes perfect sense. Well, I'm going to switch screens now. I'll be on my Xbox. Talk to you on there.

princecaspian4
20th Dec 2006, 20:52
no, i think they make ships , it said in a preview from IGN (you can find it here (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/751/751155p1.html))"Or you may control a shipyard that launches subs and destroyers." and later in the article it said "Doug controlled the shipyard, so the Yorktown was constantly screaming for a new destroyer escort to be commissioned to save my slow-moving ass." so you can build subs and destroyers in a shipyard, it seams that you can't build something like a BB or a CV, it makes no mention of rearming ships (although that could happen), and as for crew replacements, we don't even know if your crew members can die

imnotcanadian
21st Dec 2006, 01:29
ive been wondering, do you think we will be able to use the b-17's online, and other bigger planes. and one more question somebody might know, what exactly does the shipyard do? sorry if this already came up



I'm 90% sure that they wouldnt make the B-17 for one or two single player missions only. I would take a bet that there is at least one multi player map with a B-17 squadron....maybe a map where the U.S. has an airfield instead of a carrier?

shanehead
21st Dec 2006, 03:42
I'm 90% sure that they wouldnt make the B-17 for one or two single player missions only. I would take a bet that there is at least [B]one[/] multi player map with a B-17 squadron....maybe a map where the U.S. has an airfield instead of a carrier?

heroes of the pacific did just that one or maybe two missions only, what a let down

princecaspian4
21st Dec 2006, 03:44
....maybe a map where the U.S. has an airfield instead of a carrier?

in a midway map the US would have a airbase

imnotcanadian
21st Dec 2006, 03:49
heroes of the pacific did just that one or maybe two missions only, what a let down

Yeah,and the multiplayer sucked on it too.

shanehead
21st Dec 2006, 03:51
in a midway map the US would have a airbase

but that might be a little over kill 1 b-17=24 500 Ib bombs Carrier dive bomber sqad of 3 only= 3 1000 a squad of b-17 should be able to obliterate any naval target, there would or should be a counter part for the sea, you would think

imnotcanadian
21st Dec 2006, 03:54
Maybe the G4M Betty or the G3M Nell can make it off of a carrier,but i doubt it. In Heroes of the pacific the B-25 Mitchell could barely make it off of a carrier...don't know if that could actually happen though.

princecaspian4
21st Dec 2006, 04:02
but that might be a little over kill 1 b-17=24 500 Ib bombs Carrier dive bomber sqad of 3 only= 3 1000 a squad of b-17 should be able to obliterate any naval target, there would or should be a counter part for the sea, you would think

no, in the battle of midway, midway launched their B-17s on at least 2 strikes against the Japanese fleet and even with all their bombs they didn’t' get a single hit, B-17s go in high, that means that there is a large margin of error when they lead their targets, and their targets can change direction and the bombers miss completely, so even though as you said 1 b-17 has 24 500 Ib bombs, a squad of 3 Carrier dive bombers only have 3 1000 lb bombs, but the 1 B-17 carpet bombing may only get 1 or 2 hits, while the 3 dive bombers are a lot more likely to get at least 2 hits (the dive makes it easier to aim and they release the bomb lower, so they have a lower chance of a miss)


Maybe the G4M Betty or the G3M Nell can make it off of a carrier,but i doubt it. In Heroes of the pacific the B-25 Mitchell could barely make it off of a carrier...don't know if that could actually happen though.

the B-25 can and has been carrier launched, they used 16 B-25 Mitchell bombers, launched off the carrier USS Hornet, to bomb Japan

imnotcanadian
21st Dec 2006, 04:13
Yes,but they were stripped to be able to launch...I'm talking about practical (right term?) use.

princecaspian4
21st Dec 2006, 04:49
Yes,but they were stripped to be able to launch...I'm talking about practical (right term?) use.

they were stripped of machine guns and other things, but they could still carry bombs, so they were still practical, if i had the option, in this game, of taking stripped down bombers on a carrier, or fully armed ones that can only be launched from land bases (and you won't always have land bases in BM ), i would take the stripped down ones on a carrier, ones from a land base would be better, and if i have a land base i will take the fully loaded ones, but you won't always have them, with ones from a carrier, you have at least one good strike from them and you can carpet bomb the enemy doing a lot more damage to things like airfields and shipyards in one blow then a dive bomber could

imnotcanadian
21st Dec 2006, 04:52
True that.But you would need to commit valuable fighters,that could be off protecting other things,to escort the bombers. And like you said,they still would only be a one time use thing considering that theres no way for them to land on a carrier.But I guess them inflicting massive damage counters that.

princecaspian4
21st Dec 2006, 05:12
i wouldn't commit many fighters to them, as long as they make it to their targets, they are almost useless to me after that, after they drop their bombs all they could do is patrol, and i would hope that the enemy wouldn't be expecting bombers like those to attack, so they would have the element of surprise on their side, so they could probably make it to their targets, in the real Doolittle raid, they didn't lose a single plane to enemy fire (15 out of 16 bailed out or crash landed because the weather was getting bad and they were running out of gas, the other landed in Russia, they crew was captured and interned, and the crew eventually escaped through Iran, not sure why they had to escape from the Russians)

maelstrom90
21st Dec 2006, 05:24
Probably once you bomb with the B-17's you can just send a command telling them to land again and the AI will automatically take it to a base where they can re-arm. It is possible also that in multiplayer games that some of the vehicles that are considered "super weapons" in the game like the B-17 and the yamato cannot be rebuilt and so therefore need more protection where as the smaller destroys can be rebuilt. I hope they have a game type called flagship or something where each team has like a yamato or the US equivalent and each team has to defend there flagship.

Dutch Jester
21st Dec 2006, 05:25
that would be sweet id just bum rush their flagship with like 100 planes

imnotcanadian
21st Dec 2006, 05:30
i wouldn't commit many fighters to them, as long as they make it to their targets, they are almost useless to me after that, after they drop their bombs all they could do is patrol, and i would hope that the enemy wouldn't be expecting bombers like those to attack, so they would have the element of surprise on their side, so they could probably make it to their targets, in the real Doolittle raid, they didn't lose a single plane to enemy fire (15 out of 16 bailed out or crash landed because the weather was getting bad and they were running out of gas, the other landed in Russia, they crew was captured and interned, and the crew eventually escaped through Iran, not sure why they had to escape from the Russians)

The Russians took them captive and stole the plane. They lied to the United States and said that the bomber had been lost when landing. The Russians reverse engineered the plane and tried to produce some of their own,but didn't get any out until after WWII was over.They then used this technology to advance their own week airforce's technology.In the Cold War Era,they had state of the art bombers,even if they weren't mass produced.They made them look like they were by showing them off in airshows and just flying them over head over and over.This bluff worked and forced us (the United States) to spend resources on advancing and bettering our AA and AAA capabilities.

As far as the fighter escort delima...why wouldn't you have escorts if you did send them out? They don't have any defensive capabilities (besides broom sticks to look like guns,hehe) so any enemy fighter contingent could easily take them out as soon as they were revealed through the fog of war (assuming your playing good commander who checks his tactical map every once in a while). While were at it,we could say a torp bomber could pull up behind your bombers and blow them out of the sky with their 30/50 cal(s).Now why waste such a powerfull weapon like that?

shanehead
21st Dec 2006, 11:19
The Russians took them captive and stole the plane. They lied to the United States and said that the bomber had been lost when landing. The Russians reverse engineered the plane and tried to produce some of their own,but didn't get any out until after WWII was over.They then used this technology to advance their own week airforce's technology.In the Cold War Era,they had state of the art bombers,even if they weren't mass produced.They made them look like they were by showing them off in airshows and just flying them over head over and over.This bluff worked and forced us (the United States) to spend resources on advancing and bettering our AA and AAA capabilities.

As far as the fighter escort delima...why wouldn't you have escorts if you did send them out? They don't have any defensive capabilities (besides broom sticks to look like guns,hehe) so any enemy fighter contingent could easily take them out as soon as they were revealed through the fog of war (assuming your playing good commander who checks his tactical map every once in a while). While were at it,we could say a torp bomber could pull up behind your bombers and blow them out of the sky with their 30/50 cal(s).Now why waste such a powerfull weapon like that?

The b-17 had many gunners and werent that bad at taking out fighters,

one more thing if yu control a groug of b-17 can you tell them how high or low to go, if they cant land again or would die on coming back due to fighters and flak i would just kamakazi the planes while bombing all the way down, most of the bombs should hit then the massive b-17 as well

i really hope that they have these huge airplanes in multiplayer:D

imnotcanadian
21st Dec 2006, 16:06
The biggest planes will be the Flying Fortress,the Mitchell,the Catalina,the Emily,the Nell,and the Betty.

OperationPhoenix
21st Dec 2006, 17:49
So if the ships can be docked at ports/bases then there will have to be tug boats then? Hell,if thats the case I will just drive around in yard tugs all day.
:nut: You can just call me a remf :lmao: (for those thats never been in the military thats Rear Echelon Mother #$&@*!)

I have tied many a ship up to a pier,and you dont just drive them up to the pier and drop anchor.Its actually a pretty hard job.They dont call these guys deck apes for nothing.I even was lucky enough to tie up the USS Missouri and the USS New Jersey when they came to the mothball fleet at PSNS.

My point is,this will be interesting to see how THAT plays out.

TheMetalStorm
21st Dec 2006, 19:41
Since I MOST LIKELY, Will be playing with the Japanese..As to not remake the Sal Kar disaster, The Yamato will ALLWAYS be my flagship...I just wondered if since its 4vs4 will each player have his own fleet?

shanehead
21st Dec 2006, 19:53
Since I MOST LIKELY, Will be playing with the Japanese..As to not remake the Sal Kar disaster, The Yamato will ALLWAYS be my flagship...I just wondered if since its 4vs4 will each player have his own fleet?

no as ign said when they played, one player gets carrier and fighters, one player gets shipyard as well as the destroyers and submarines, and i think the other player gets a battleship and some patrol boat..... either way the entire fleet will have to work together, meanwhile it is split between players....team work will be a neccesity


hopefully if everybody agrees we will be able to kick a bad player or the host should be able to kick the bad player....... or else one bad person(bad attidute, team killing) could ruin this online game

princecaspian4
21st Dec 2006, 22:32
So if the ships can be docked at ports/bases then there will have to be tug boats then? Hell,if thats the case I will just drive around in yard tugs all day.


there aren’t ports, i had read this somewhere on this forum
also, imnotcanadian, i didn't say no fighters, just not many, i would launch a small strike first with dive bombers and fighters to draw their fighters away, then i would let my B-25s go in with only like 2 fighters as escorts, the rest will be fighting the enemy fighters that went after the distraction, and if the enemy doesn't take the bait, the fighters should be close enough to help the B-25s, but if the B-25 are close to their target, i wouldn't waste the fighters protecting them, because they are only good for 1 strike, if they were ground based bombers that could land and rearm, i would send a huge escort with them

maelstrom90
22nd Dec 2006, 00:33
I think that for the fighters u automatically control the wing commander and thats the only plane u can use in the 3 plane squad unless it gets shot down and the AI planes mimic your plane

shanehead
22nd Dec 2006, 01:05
can you control how high your bomber attack at?

killzoik
15th Jan 2007, 19:49
the b-25 should be able to be launched by your carriers but have to land on a island airfield, http://www.chinaclassiccar.org/B-25%20departing%20USS%20Hornet.jpg

Beastttt
15th Jan 2007, 20:38
you need to read up on the Doolittle raid
the Hornet could not operate her regular squadrons while the B25's where onboard and the ranges in this game that a B-25 can easily hit just about anywhere on the map
if not then you need to get your carrier closer and use those planes

the B-25's used in the Doolittle raid had armor and weapons removed and did not have full fuel tanks on that raid(they had about 500 feet to take off in with no catapult)

there was an incident where a C-130 had to land on a modern CVN(never had been done before)they had to go to port and have the Herky-bird lifted off of it she could only use the aft catapults for launching but could land aircraft
they recreated in the tv series JAG and gave credit to the real pilot at the end of the show
most had to put down where they could only 1 or 2 made it to an airstrip


the b-25 should be able to be launched by your carriers but have to land on a island airfield, http://www.chinaclassiccar.org/B-25%20departing%20USS%20Hornet.jpg

andy3536
15th Jan 2007, 22:18
Why do some of the people on here think that you can make more or replacement units? no one in the know like bossman or keir have said so and theres been no real info either way in the reviews. i was given the understanding that in multiplayer games you started with your fleet, and you had to fight with what you had been given. You could only use a limited no of planes at a time but i thought the ships were all given to you at the start.
Think this may have got started when someone confused the seaplane hanger for a shipyard in the tulagi walkthrough! If anyone actually knows can they put a link in. not sure if rumours are getting confussed with fact :scratch:

princecaspian4
15th Jan 2007, 22:37
Why do some of the people on here think that you can make more or replacement units? no one in the know like bossman or keir have said so and theres been no real info either way in the reviews. i was given the understanding that in multiplayer games you started with your fleet, and you had to fight with what you had been given. You could only use a limited no of planes at a time but i thought the ships were all given to you at the start.
Think this may have got started when someone confused the seaplane hanger for a shipyard in the tulagi walkthrough! If anyone actually knows can they put a link in. not sure if rumours are getting confussed with fact :scratch:

there are shipyards, and you can make ships there, but i am not sure what you can build in them (i think that i have read that you can make DD in shipyards)

i found the article, it says in it "Or you may control a shipyard that launches subs and destroyers"
here (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/751/751155p1.html) is the full article
i remember reading other articles that mentioned shipyards but this was the first one i found

andy3536
15th Jan 2007, 22:40
there are shipyards, and you can make ships there, but i am not sure what you can build in them (i think that i have read that you can make DD in shipyards)

Yes but did you here this from someone that didn't really know. Can't find hard evidence of this anywhere :scratch:

andy3536
15th Jan 2007, 22:47
there are shipyards, and you can make ships there, but i am not sure what you can build in them (i think that i have read that you can make DD in shipyards)

i found the article, it says in it "Or you may control a shipyard that launches subs and destroyers"
here (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/751/751155p1.html) is the full article
i remember reading other articles that mentioned shipyards but this was the first one i found


Oh i see the ship yard appers to be like the carrier, you get a set no of ships and only a certain no can be out at once, Many thanks:thumbsup:

imnotcanadian
15th Jan 2007, 22:48
There is a recent video with half a second showing a shipyard. It works like the carrier,there are two slots...you can have two of what ever you need out at a time (well...subs,destroyers,and what ever else they decide to allow you to make). Once one is destroyed,you can reproduce another.

maelstrom90
16th Jan 2007, 02:27
Yeah thats true I learned that in a midway documentary.. you would think that Bombers would be effective but they only scored minimal hits and were extremeyl ineffective in naval bombing not to say that we couldn't go in low haha

princecaspian4
16th Jan 2007, 02:44
Yeah thats true I learned that in a midway documentary.. you would think that Bombers would be effective but they only scored minimal hits and were extremeyl ineffective in naval bombing not to say that we couldn't go in low haha

if you go in low with a slow bomber, you will get shot down, just practice carpet bombing from high altitude, even it you don't get any hits it will still look cool :cool:

Dutch Jester
16th Jan 2007, 02:46
exactly. see looks are everything:nut:

m t freestyler
16th Jan 2007, 23:47
if it comes down to them being last resource to win a game you might have to do it anyway