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DesolateSoul87
16th Nov 2006, 21:22
Hey. I was just thinking about the story line in Blood Omen 2. The story contains Vorador and Janos Audrin. Yet in Blood Omen 1, Vorador is executed, leaving Kain as the last vampire. So how could this work? And also, Janos Audrin was killed during Soul Reaver 2 by the Seraphim. I'm confused. :(

Smoke_Z
17th Nov 2006, 02:20
Hey. I was just thinking about the story line in Blood Omen 2. The story contains Vorador and Janos Audrin. Yet in Blood Omen 1, Vorador is executed, leaving Kain as the last vampire. So how could this work? And also, Janos Audrin was killed during Soul Reaver 2 by the Seraphim. I'm confused. :(

They both are supposed to be dead. Inexplicably, both are alive. (Well, one of them is inexplicable, the other only makes a certain amount of sense.) :)

TheWatcher
17th Nov 2006, 03:21
Sounds like you haven't played Defiance yet, so:

Janos was raised by Raziel using the heart of darkness in Defiance. That's how he is there.How Vorador got there is one of the great unsolved mysteries of the universe. Where's Robert Stack when you need him? :lol:

WraithStar
17th Nov 2006, 16:50
Sounds like you haven't played Defiance yet, so:

Janos was raised by Raziel using the heart of darkness in Defiance. That's how he is there.How Vorador got there is one of the great unsolved mysteries of the universe.

Indeed. About Vorador, I'll put it in spoiler tags because it contains some information from Defiance (hilight it with your mouse to read it)

Vorador presumably stayed dead in the original BO1/SR1 timeline. In SR2, Raziel was supposed to kill Kain in William the Just's chapel and then get consumed by the Blood Reaver. However, that did not happen, which changed the timeline and caused BO2 and Defiance to take place. In Defiance, Janos was resurrected from the dead, and Elder Kain was not killed either. Both of them were dead in the original timeline, so the fact they are alive now could explain how Vorador was resurrected (either one of them could have done it). Vorador's presence in BO2 is explainable, I just wish I could see an FMV of his resurrection...

Turaziel
18th Nov 2006, 10:33
Kain couldn't have stopped Vorador's execution because he was in the Demon Dimesnion when it happened. And Janos couldn't stop it because he was still dead when it happened.

As for Vorador being resseruected, I don't think Kain had the knowledge to bring a Vampire who had been decapitated back to life. And after his execution Janos was possessed.

I think we just have to say that it was a bad idea in general, especially because there are no plans for another game...

The DarkOne
18th Nov 2006, 17:51
Kain couldn't have stopped Vorador's execution because he was in the Demon Dimesnion when it happened. And Janos couldn't stop it because he was still dead when it happened.

As for Vorador being resseruected, I don't think Kain had the knowledge to bring a Vampire who had been decapitated back to life. And after his execution Janos was possessed.


You're probably right about janos not being able to resurrect Vorador since he didn't have much time between Vorador's execution and his possession.......maybe even no time at all.

But I disagree with you about Kain not being able to resurrect Vorador...yea sure he may have been in the demon dimension when Vorador was executed but he could always resurrect him later (after Raziel is imprisoned in the purified reaver maybe :rolleyes: ).

The real question is: did the younger or older Kain resurrect Vorador ??:scratch:.......and if one of them did, how? and when?

WraithStar
19th Nov 2006, 07:30
You're probably right about janos not being able to resurrect Vorador since he didn't have much time between Vorador's execution and his possession.......maybe even no time at all.

Janos had all of the time that Raziel was inside the vampire citadel, which was quite a lot of time the first time I played the game :p If Janos' heart could bring him (and Kain, for that matter) back from the dead, then perhaps a large dose of his blood would be able to seal a fatal wound, especially if he got there very soon.

The DarkOne
19th Nov 2006, 10:35
Janos had all of the time that Raziel was inside the vampire citadel, which was quite a lot of time the first time I played the game :p If Janos' heart could bring him (and Kain, for that matter) back from the dead, then perhaps a large dose of his blood would be able to seal a fatal wound, especially if he got there very soon.

But does Janos have enough time to go get Vorador's head and resurrect him and be back before Raziel finishes imbuing the reaver with spirit?

And if he did resurrect Vorador, then that would mean he resurrected Vorador and ran off to meet Raziel, whereas Vorador would've probably been in a weakened state and would've needed Janos by his side in case he was attacked.

Balance_Reaver
19th Nov 2006, 15:21
Remeber that in Soul Reaver 2 Raziel see Moebius statue with Vorador's head 100 years after Blood Omen?
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Moebius
And I take some small comfort in the fact that Kain remains the sole survivor of his vile breed.
Raziel's memory never changed, meaning that Vorador was resurrected later than 100 years after Blood Omen.

KainvsVorador
3rd Jan 2007, 20:23
i concur.
i think if kain can turn a bunch of centuries old sarafan bones into vampire lieutenants, sewing vorador's head back onto his body would be a piece of cake.

Smoke_Z
4th Jan 2007, 03:46
Remeber that in Soul Reaver 2 Raziel see Moebius statue with Vorador's head 100 years after Blood Omen?
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Raziel's memory never changed, meaning that Vorador was resurrected later than 100 years after Blood Omen.

Raziel's memories didn't need to change, or rather we don't need to waste exposition on that one detail changing.

Actually, since I don't think I'll get around to that particular fanfiction... The Vorador that is leading the Cabal isn't the same Vorador whose head is mounted on the statue. Through some strange necromancy, Vorador's essense and any translation of geist you want to use was forced into a stolen body, which then turned green and weird-looking.

Turaziel
5th Jan 2007, 00:39
i concur.
i think if kain can turn a bunch of centuries old sarafan bones into vampire lieutenants, sewing vorador's head back onto his body would be a piece of cake.

Not really.

The method used by different Vampires to create other Vampires differs.
Kain was created through necromancy, and so whenever he, or another Vampire which is descended from him, passes on the curse they do it by giving some of their soul to the corpse. This replaces the original soul and allows the body to live again. Over time the corpses of the Sarafan would have regrown flesh and blood etc etc and their dead bodies would continue to do this throughout their unlife (this can be proved by looking at Melchiah. Instead of constantly regrowing he had to be patched up with the skin of others).

The Vampires descended form the Ancients were a mroe 'traditional' Vampire. They were created using the blood of the sire (which obviously was pumped out of their heart). It was likely that the Ancients had to turn their victims within a short time after death (before the digestive and circulatory systems rotted) in order to create a strong vampire.

Now, because the soul of a Vampire is locked within their body for eternity, Kain would not be able to infuse Vorador's corpse with his soul (and judging from BO2 Kain doesn't even know how to do that yet. He refers to the armies Vorador had built for him during a cutscene).
And I do not believe Janos could have restored him. Judging from the reaction he had after hearing the news, he doesn't exactly look optimistic, or like he's thinking "Well I had better find him and bring him back. Oooh that son of mine!"

dumah's wraith
7th Jan 2007, 16:28
Kain can't have done it, because Raz never absorbed Vorador's soul.

Binky24
8th Jan 2007, 07:28
Not really.

Now, because the soul of a Vampire is locked within their body for eternity, Kain would not be able to infuse Vorador's corpse with his soul (and judging from BO2 Kain doesn't even know how to do that yet. He refers to the armies Vorador had built for him during a cutscene).

Except that perhaps Kain didn't have to infuse the corpse with a soul - because the soul was already there, locked within the body, as you've written yourself. So, perhaps all that he'd have to do would be to put the body and the head together, and possibly bleed a little, to allow the magic of Janos' heart do its job. (And I'm not saying that it'd have to happen on purpose, even. I can just about see Kain restoring Vorador by accident, and then acting all self-important and all-knowing, as if he'd done it on purpose.)

Turaziel
8th Jan 2007, 09:28
The only problem with that is which Kain did it?

Defiance Kain was too busy with Defiance to restore Vorador, and white Kain doesn't know how to raise a Vampire, never mind bringing one back to life.

shlmysfb
19th Jan 2007, 23:29
Well, there's a reason that in vampire legends it's usually smart to cut off the head and stake through the heart. In Soul Reaver, a staked vampire that hasn't been turned to dust by having its soul devoured (or by just staying dead for a really long time, like some of the Dumahim) can be revived when you pull out the stake. Presumably, that could work with reattaching the head.

I think it is unlikely that Janos resurrected Vorador but possible. Vorador seems surpised to see Janos alive in BO2. But the conversation's a little odd. Vorador says "They killed you" and Janos replies "No, far worse", like he's talking about the Hylden imprisoning him. Are they talking about the Sarafan 900 years ago, or does Vorador somehow know that Janos was carted off by the Hylden Lord, and just presumed him dead?

It's also worth noting that, according to Henning (I think), they were going to originally explain how Vorador got resurrected in Defiance, but they didn't have time or something. That means that it probably would've happened over the course of the Defiance events. Given that, it is most likely that they would've had Janos resurrect Vorador because I can't think of anyone else who could've done it in Defiance.

TheWatcher
18th Feb 2007, 16:13
The Vorador that is leading the Cabal isn't the same Vorador whose head is mounted on the statue. Through some strange necromancy, Vorador's essense and any translation of geist you want to use was forced into a stolen body, which then turned green and weird-looking.Actually, I kind of like this theory. Both Raziel and the Hylden did this in Defiance, forcing their souls into dead bodies and reanimating them. In Raziel's case actually forcing the body to take on his spectral appearance. He was even able to reanimate Moebius. I don't know why it would be a 'different' Vorador, though.

This assumes of course that the same dynamic that brought Raziel back in the abyss was also at work for Vorador (or his soul was somehow in a limbo similar to the Hylden in the demon dimension). Or maybe he's similar to the staked wraiths in SR1, where when the damage to the body is significantly reversed the soul reinhabits it.

NexusStone
23rd Jun 2007, 16:39
The Sarafan Lord:
Did it not occur to you that perhaps my cause, and not yours, is the cause of right and justice? That your ambition to rule this world is but the youthful craving of a petty noble, who has gained too much power, but never enough?

Kain:
Silence, demon.
Your need to corrupt is only too apparent. But every traitor that you have turned to your will from my side, even Umah, your latest spy, is dead.

The Sarafan Lord:
Umah? I have no spy called Umah.

Kain:
You lie!

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One must keep his friends close, Raziel - and his enemies even closer