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LΞGΞND
19th Aug 2006, 17:37
There are two lara models!
One that has all the features* of the origional lara + the voice from TR 4-6 exept her clothes, she no has the legend suit.
and the grenades are different cool one HE Grenades,

And the other with a new loose pony tail light voice (to girly) kiera Knightly face form .Bad One WW2 grens.
ect.

*
Braided pony tail hair that looks redish in sun, voice from TR 4-6 flares plus light stick more anims and moves...:mad:

Observe the pics below: note these are seperate models...

Heres a refrance if u need a look at the 1-6 models:
http://zevision.free.fr/wallpapers/Tomb%20raider%20jeux/page1/166484_wallpaper_tomb_raider_the_angel_of_darkness_03_1024.jpg
http://www.superabc.de/tomb-raider-1/_pics/tr1titel.jpg

Cool Origional pics:
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/13.jpg
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/09.jpg
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/20.jpg
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/19.jpg
http://www.tombraider.com/jeepgame/

New bad model pics:
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/06.jpg
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/21.jpg
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/14.jpg
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/03.jpg

Pics that looks like a fusion: note that the colour of the hairand the front dangling hairs look the same as the Cool pics but the pony tale looks like the bad model's
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/17.jpg
http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/16.jpg

BloodRayne
19th Aug 2006, 18:23
Like absolutely none of those pics showed up when i cliked on them ... Must be something wrong

MilliCroft
19th Aug 2006, 19:29
i cant see some pictures,too
i can just play the jeep game

LΞGΞND
19th Aug 2006, 22:21
That's odd... it works here.
PS. I use Opera.
Try copy/paste the link in Internet exp.:(

David 070
19th Aug 2006, 23:44
i cut & pasted,still cant see the pictures.

aussie500
20th Aug 2006, 00:19
Well l never managed to see any pics either, perhaps LΞGΞND should not have hotlinked them.

Treeble
20th Aug 2006, 00:36
There are two lara models!
One that has all the features* of the origional lara + the voice from TR 4-6 exept her clothes, she no has the legend suit.
and the grenades are different cool one HE Grenades,

And the other with a new loose pony tail light voice (to girly) kiera Knightly face form .Bad One WW2 grens.
ect.

*
Braided pony tail hair that looks redish in sun, voice from TR 4-6 flares plus light stick more anims and moves...:mad:

The images he hotlinks to can be found here: TRCentral.net > Legend media > Renders (http://www.tombraidercentral.net/index.php?page=renders)

I really don't quite follow the point of this thread. How can he know the old, scrapped, Legend model (the one with braid) has the original voice, and how comes she doesn't have the "Legend suit"? If anything was not changed from the first Legend model to the one we see in game is the outfit!

It's hardly news for us, we knew Lara wouldn't be featuring that first look we saw months before the game was released because there was such a large media exposition. Three of the eight levels were completely spoiled on media coverage.

aussie500
20th Aug 2006, 00:46
Thanks for the link TREEBLE. Finally l can see what he is on about, and l am insulted that he calls the Legend model bad!!! They are all of the Legend model, who's hair color and style does happen to change with some outfits, although we never ended up with the braid and the new Legend outfit. Perhaps he should just play the game and then he would know what he is talking about, l thought he was talking about the new model Core had been working on till their game was cancelled:mad:

Treeble
20th Aug 2006, 00:53
Yeah, when I first read about it I didn't quite understand, that's why I bothered going to TRCentral to find out what he was on about. I still find it funny he says the first model had the original voice, more moves and anims, how can he deduce that from a simple, outdated render? :rasp:

I do agree that the earlier grenades looked better than the ones used on the "bad" model, but come on, it's such a small detail and you don't even pay attention to them, you just care if it will blow up the enemies or not! ;)

aussie500
20th Aug 2006, 00:57
l think he must have a good imagination

LΞGΞND
20th Aug 2006, 20:25
:mad2: BLOODY HELL!! ARE YOU ALL SO SHORT SIGHTED!!
PS. I HAVE PLAYED THE GAME AND CLOCKED IT IN LESS THAN A DAY!

GO AND LOOK ON THE NET FOR OLD TEASER TRAILERS OF LEGEND AND U WILL PROBABLY FIND THE TRAILER WERE THE (in my opinion) COOL LARA MODEL WALK IN THE SHADOWS OF A PLACE THAT LOOKS LIKE GHANA SAYING (With the orrigional voice, Mits the flashebacks of the old games and what happened after AOD) All that happens has a reason, most of what happend is still to be uncovered, each having it's own effect on history, i also have a history wich needs to be uncovered (then her face gets revealed out of the shadows and one final flash of her mother and father(the picture in her mansion)) and I intend to do so... for my own reasons, (then she grips her mothers pin tighter. and a black out ,then the TOMB RAIDER LEGEND logo shows with a slogan "it's time for her to dig into her own past...":mad:

Treeble
20th Aug 2006, 20:33
Never heard of such a trailer.

aussie500
20th Aug 2006, 22:06
Nope sorry never saw that trailer, perhaps it was a voice over in an ad for the game LΞGΞND is thinking of

LΞGΞND
21st Aug 2006, 17:01
It must have been a voice over (it did sound a bit different) from someone who had a beta of the game, but that person made it look very cool and got me hyped up for the game, then I saw the E3 trailer (and got more hyped) showing the 1rst model (braid) doing all these cool stunts, it did have some 2nd (loose) model scenes in it so I thought that the braid was for PC and the loose was for PS2, X-box 360 ext.

aussie500
22nd Aug 2006, 02:22
Just out of curiosity would you happen to have a name for the teaser trailer with the voice over, the digging into her own past one?

LΞGΞND
24th Aug 2006, 20:29
It's called
TR7_teaser_102005

_Laurence_
24th Aug 2006, 20:43
:O hotlinking i'm telling lol :P :rasp:

LΞGΞND
2nd Sep 2006, 18:56
Does anybody know a way to play the whole game with the model u play as in the memory (peru) lara has a braid ponytail there and I down loaded a mod (textmod) for the AOD outfit in that level and through the whole game.

As I was playing peru again I got to that part and saw that it looked just like angle of darkness that gave some Tomb Raider feel back to the game. then I made the hair colour a bit more red brounish like in the previous games and the lips more purpleish an dark shiny broune eyes. But I can only play as that model in that level... does anybody know how to make that model available for all the levels.

Leak
3rd Sep 2006, 09:40
As I was playing peru again I got to that part and saw that it looked just like angle of darkness that gave some Tomb Raider feel back to the game. then I made the hair colour a bit more red brounish like in the previous games and the lips more purpleish an dark shiny broune eyes. But I can only play as that model in that level... does anybody know how to make that model available for all the levels.
Lookee here... (http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=72060)

np: Barbara Morgenstern - Ein Paar Sekunden (The Grass Is Always Greener)

LΞGΞND
5th Sep 2006, 18:11
Thanx a million Leak, u are my new favorite person!!!!

:) :D :) :D :) :D :lmao:

At least theres someone who gives me info that brings me nearer to my goal...

to get laras look back in Legend. the new hair is just to much, the voice might be exeptable but the hair not... thanx

aussie500
6th Sep 2006, 00:17
Well if you use the classic outfit in next gen mode on PC or XBox 360 you also get the braid, but not the brown backpack. If you use the Young Lara skin she will not have holsters, since young Lara did not have guns

LΞGΞND
9th Sep 2006, 15:15
Realy Ausie, It does't seem to work on pc when nex-gen effects are off.

let me gt it straight... if you unlock the outfit and you play a level (nex-G off) with the classic suit then she has a loose style, but when you play with nex gen and that suitshe has the braid but still has the black B pack? right?

aussie500
9th Sep 2006, 18:38
Yes that is right. The only way you can get Lara with a braid in current gen graphics is to use the SCU and choose to play as young Lara. (from the peru flashback). If you use the SCU you do not have to first unlock the outfit either. The SCU can be found here, you will need to have .Net framework 2 installed for it to work
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=72117

LΞGΞND
13th Sep 2006, 18:19
Wait... does that classic outfit (young) have holsters?... coz I used that othe r cheat enabling thing ( *E:\TR7\Game\pc\tr7.arg ) and young lara doesnt have holsters. But... theres a but... in the cinematic where amanda drowns (yeh right...) young lara had holsters and a black back pack this made me think that I loaded the classic outfit not the young moddel but she had the braid...

*where ur games installed

LΞGΞND
13th Sep 2006, 18:27
Hey How do I ad images to my posts?

aussie500
13th Sep 2006, 21:33
Young Lara is from the Peru flashback, since she NEVER had guns no, she does not have holsters. l did mention that a few posts back LΞGΞND

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j215/aussie500/Tomb%20Raider%20Legend/YoungLara01.jpg

Current gen graphics, braid, brown backpack and no holsters, this is a different model to Lara wearing the classic outfit, who has a pony tail, black backpack and holsters. In Next gen graphics the classic Lara has a braid as well though

LΞGΞND
26th Sep 2006, 22:31
Ok... I know that... but Would you prefur ths lara http://www.planetlara.com/picview.asp?file=tombraider7/TombRaiderLegend_July23_008.jpg or this http://www.planetlara.com/picview.asp?file=tombraider7/TombRaiderLegend_April12_022.jpg ?

aussie500
26th Sep 2006, 22:58
Although l prefer the braid l do not particularly expect Lara to have her hair the same in every Tomb Raider game, just as l do not expect her to wear the same clothes all the time. And the braid or ponytail difference does NOT make it a different model. l am more interested in the game than in looking at Lara all the time, so if they wanted to give her a crew cut and have her wear a potatoe sack l would not be overly fussed, so long as the gameplay was good

LΞGΞND
26th Sep 2006, 23:49
Obviosly Aussie,

why does everybody say that (...not expected to have the same hairstyle each game) well! she had it that way 6 times already and why? coz she likes long hair and ties it up so that it doesnt get caught in traps! duh!

and by the way: the loose pony(cradle of life) tale and Zip alister side kick thing came from the movies, I personally like the idea of Havinf someone like Bryce(the real tech guy) as a partner, that would have been exceptable.

LΞGΞND
26th Sep 2006, 23:51
Obviosly Aussie,

why does everybody say that (...not expected to have the same hairstyle each game) well! she had it that way 6 times already and why? coz she likes long hair and ties it up so that it doesnt get caught in traps! duh!
and ofcourse the outfit changes! She was content with the 1-5 suit coz it gave no probs (and its her trademark) but in aod she had a life changing experience, so she started a new page, new suit & lifestyle.

and by the way: the loose pony(cradle of life) tale and Zip alister side kick thing came from the movies, I personally like the idea of Havinf someone like Bryce(the real tech guy) as a partner, that would have been exceptable.

Terminatorvs
27th Sep 2006, 00:05
After reading the post, I understood that the main reason, why people disliked "Legend" is "Lara has a ponytail instead of a brid". To my mind, CDs are allowed to do everything they want with Lara's hair. Think, why can't Lara have a different from the previous "TR" hair-style. She is a woman after all. Women like changing their looks. (Hey, even we, men, can sometimes make a change. :) ) So, why isn't it obvious, that Lara decided to change her looks just a bit? Besides, she can't have that braid forever.

aussie500
27th Sep 2006, 01:22
The reason why Lara had a bun in Tomb Raider 1 was that they were unable to animate a braid at that time with the game graphics, in all the FMV's and publiciity shots it was a braid. In Tomb Raider 2 - 5 she had a braid which in most cases behaved like a stick rather than hair, again there were a few animation limitations. These days they can animate just about anything to be realistic, even Core Design were considering having a ponytail on their model for the AE game, so Crystal decided to change Lara's hair style, it is hardly the end of the Tomb Raiding world. They had wanted to leave the braid with the classic outfit for those who prefered the older style, but it seems to have not worked out for the current gen graphics. And as Terminatorvs said women do like to change their looks that includes hair style, color and makeup. Just be thankful she does not decide to go for the platinum blond bob in the next game, or perhaps since it seems to be such a popular topic CD will add a hair styling and coloring at the local hairdressers to go along with the extensive wardrobe for their next game, then EVERYONE will be happy that their version of Lara is the only real Tomb Raider

Treeble
27th Sep 2006, 01:44
since it seems to be such a popular topic CD will add a hair styling and coloring at the local hairdressers to go along with the extensive wardrobe for their next game, then EVERYONE will be happy that their version of Lara is the only real Tomb Raider

LOL so true. :lol: But then, here comes the catch - folk will find anything else (really, anything will do) to keep nagging and complaining about). It's a sadistic negative view, but as the Prince of Persia once said...

"Experience has taught me wishful thinking only leads to disappointment."

And that very sentence fits all of us, Legend appreciators and Legend bashers. :)

aussie500
27th Sep 2006, 11:35
Actually l forgot the free makeup session provided at the hairdressers, so you can not only decide what clothes Lara wears, what hair style and color the hair is, but also what makeup she is "allowed" to wear. Then since the players will be deciding what Lara looks like, CD can concentrate on the actual game for once instead of playing barbie with the Lara model :rolleyes:

shaq
27th Sep 2006, 12:55
Actually l forgot the free makeup session provided at the hairdressers, so you can not only decide what clothes Lara wears, what hair style and color the hair is, but also what makeup she is "allowed" to wear. Then since the players will be deciding what Lara looks like, CD can concentrate on the actual game for once instead of playing barbie with the Lara model :rolleyes:

Yes so this is why such tools like T.xM.d exists... btw I don't think it is legal according to the license to use such tools :scratch: :cool:
But the problem is much more stronger I guess so...which model should be used as a default in the game and should be promoted together with the game... and what You will see in the market... :thumbsup: business is business :lol:

Legendary Lara Croft
27th Sep 2006, 16:57
it happens sometimes, the creators of the game change some details during the course of the development, nothing bad about it. There are some things missing in Lara's outfit if you compare earlier screenshots to the new ones, but it's ok with me, the game is still amazing :D

LΞGΞND
28th Sep 2006, 22:17
Firstly, Aus500 in TR 45 the braid was animated very good not like a stick!

and lara likes long hair, but does'nt want to cut it so she makes a braid that keeps the hair together... read that in a article...

and we all got to know lara by her trademarks like her hairstyle (broun-darkred, braid, fringe*)

so if she had this braid# , fringe* and colour, and not this p-tail@,fringe@ and colour@ she would remind us all more of the old lara and not this loose haired, odd fringed, not-lara-voice, dark brown, movieish/americanish personallity lara or Laura.(american)

* = http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/16.jpg
# = http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/09.jpg
@ = http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/06.jpg
@ = http://www.tombraidercentral.net/media_images/renders/full/14.jpg

then shed look like this = http://www.planetlara.com/picview.asp?file=tombraider7/TombRaiderLegend_April12_022.jpg ^ well sorta...

and by the way, the (in my words) bad lara's hair texture looks more fake than the^ model? go on consult the pics above...

if some one could tell me how to post my custom pics I can show u my compare pics...

LΞGΞND
28th Sep 2006, 22:32
PS: May we talk 'bout editing the game?

Terminatorvs
28th Sep 2006, 22:58
To post your own pics you need to register on www.photobucket.com or a similar site. There you can upload your pictures and link them here.
P. S. I also didn't know how to post my pictures. Thanks to Headache I now do. Thank you, Headache.

aussie500
28th Sep 2006, 23:25
People change and so does Lara, if your entire understanding of the character of Lara Croft is attached to such trivial cosmetic things as hair style, color etc you are missing the entire point of the game. Are you saying if your girl friend walked in looking like a million dollars with a new hair style and clothes, made up to kill you would not recognise her, would not accept her as the same girl you had always know? If this is so then it is not Lara Croft that has the problem here :whistle: Lara had had several voice actors during the years and even the same actress doing the last 2 Core games with a slightly different voice, so long as she sounds like Lara l do not think to many people are worried about slight differences in the voice

Headache
28th Sep 2006, 23:32
I follow you, Aussie500.


Yes, all of this is true. You would have to be an idiot just to buy the game and only play it to agonize over her boobs and 'sexy hairless legs' wishing you could be in her pants **** The TR series is for exploring the environments, solving puzzles and having fun; not exploring Lara herself.

Terminatorvs
28th Sep 2006, 23:41
Lara had had several voice actors during the years and even the same actress doing the last 2 Core games with a slightly different voice, so long as she sounds like Lara l do not think to many people are worried about slight differences in the voice

That's true, there were 4 actresses reading Lara's lines. They are:
Shelley Blond - the first "Tomb Raider"
Judith Gibbins - "TR: Dagger of Xian", "TR: Adventures of Lara Croft"
Jonell Elliot - "TR: Last Revelation", "TR: Chronicles", "TR: Angel of Darkness"
Keeley Hawes - "TR: Legend"

LΞGΞND
29th Sep 2006, 00:14
Firstly! Keep ur filthy mouth off my girl! Aus!

OK... now that that's over... It's not just bout the Friggen hair!!
It's the things that makes Her who she is... thing that give the feel of TR... and thing that ease you into the game knowing: ah! a new adventure, new lara stil the same but different*.

The only place it felt like I was playing a real# TR game was in peru and ghana. They had the The Last Revelation feel complimented my cheat to make u play with the classic suit.

Headache
29th Sep 2006, 00:33
Firstly! Keep ur filthy mouth off my girl! Aus!
Uhh... :rolleyes:


The only place it felt like I was playing a real# TR game was in peru and ghana. They had the The Last Revelation feel complimented my cheat to make u play with the classic suit.
But either way it has to deal with her look, does it? Prove me wrong.

aussie500
29th Sep 2006, 04:52
Actually l am female myself and have never been overly fascinated with how Lara looked, l play the games for the exploration and challenge, but if they substituted Lara for Kurtis or Indiana Jones l would still be more interested in the game than looking at the model. And you said it yourself "new lara still the same but different" As technology has changed and animation improved so Lara has changed, and will no doubt continue to change in the future, but it is only superficial changes. She remains basically the same but is just being realised in a more realistic manner. The way how LΞGΞND goes on about the Legend Lara model(all those pics are of the Legend model) l am sure he complained vehemently when Core made Tomb Raider II and Lara no longer had the bun and toblerone style frontage, no that was not Lara in Tomb Raider II she did not "look" the same, l shudder to think what he made of the drastic change in Lara when AOD came out, perhaps he mistook it for some other game altogether :lol:

Headache
29th Sep 2006, 23:04
l shudder to think what he made of the drastic change in Lara when AOD came out, perhaps he mistook it for some other game altogether :lol:
Now that's just down right...

:lmao:

Mean...

:lol:

Treeble
29th Sep 2006, 23:20
Nah, there was a braid in AOD.

Headache
29th Sep 2006, 23:30
Nah, there was a braid in AOD.
...'The animation of the braid wasn't good enough'...

:whistle:

The cat said it.

aussie500
30th Sep 2006, 01:38
Nah, there was a braid in AOD.
But the eyes, hair and fringe were all different, she had lost a bit of weight as well, if LΞGΞND honestly feels the minor differences in the Legend model are ruining his enjoyment of the game, l do not see how he managed to play AOD

LΞGΞND
30th Sep 2006, 09:54
Before i give my long speech:
Aus said that in legend she changed her hair coz she wanted to, but if that was a simple change then why in the memory doesnt she have the hairstyle(middle path like AOD*) old fringes and longer braid starting at the bottom,back of her head? Instead she has the exact same hair as the legend model only with a very short braid...

anyway...

Thats right HeadAche , that was meen Aus...

BTW they didnt render the AS (TR-Atlantean Scion) model with a braid coz the pc/platforms in that time were to weak, but the poster and cover renders did have braids, :rasp:

In DOX (dagger of xian) the equipment improved so they made the game with it, but they didnt make the fringes coz they couldnt render that small detail so they made that they were tied pack.

and did u even play AOD? she nearly died in TLR and sorta hided 4 a time, meening she slacked! thats why she lost weight, thats why she had that weak look in the start of AOD, only when u got to the 3/4 of the game she had her orrigional skills back and did everything faster! and as tribute to the previous games they kept the some animations and sounds the relatively the same as the old previous games to ease the player in...

plus+ If u got/checked the press kit u would have read that AOD was supost to add a new feel to TR, they could now use the poster render model as a ingame model, only less lighting detail and effects, and her costume stayed relatively the same the only difference was that the colours changed and they covered the cleavage, unlike in TLR.

I'll add pics later, still have to add my acount at photo buc.
* the AOD model has exactly the same hairstyle as the old models ill prove that with da pics! :rasp:

btw thanks termanatorvs

mmm... feels like i left sumtin' out...

PS: Aus500? ur a girl!?

LΞGΞND
30th Sep 2006, 10:06
Now for an rather old post that I think I didnt post yet..


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Ok, I'll start from the begining...

I dont know how 2 post pics (tell me how)

When I buyed the game, i saw the pics were different from the webs pics (lara) and when I installed the game I saw the pic where lara is diving sideways and shooting, with her trademarks (flares braid, backpack, boots, short pants, 2 short 1 long fringe ect.) and when I started playing the game:
the trouble started...

that intro's music reminded me of No one lives forever 2 (lol.) and I saw she had lost most of her trade marks (tell more later) and her loose ponytale was not physics affected.

the loading screen had no "developed by core" lol. though it had props to it.
the main menu's music had no Tomb Raider tune in it. go to laracroftonline.com's live streaming TR music.

the first cinimatic had no details on what happend to the AOD and Kurt ( no closure of AOD in short) when Zip started talking I was disipointed coz there was no Bryce (the Real tech guy 4m the movie, I heard that there was gonna be movie elements in the game)

the controlls were crap compared to TR4's
the voice in my ear was iritating like, I await a the rush of falling into a trap, then Zip or Alister spoils it by revealing it!!

the lara model looks nothing like the origional apart from the boobs. I thought it's gonna look like this http://www.planetlara.com/picview.as...pril12_022.jpg not like http://www.planetlara.com/picview.as...July23_008.jpg meen the second pic looks like it could be laras daugter!!

no braid no origional fringe no origional colour no flare no hint of origional sounds or anims (useually in sequals its tradition to bring bits of the prequal in the new one namely anims, sounds looks, interface, voices ect.) and last but certainly not least HER VOICE CHANGED!!

the puzzles where too easy and made more easy with Zip and Ali telling u everything.
the maps were short and the levels shorter!! The music didnt give the TR feel although they were beautifull.

the plot was good (movie quality) just spoiled a bit by the length of the game ( i heard that since toby came back he took away several maps and levels (btw some pre-design pics looked like avalon :D )maby it was oby-T ard-G that spoiled the origional ideas...)
coz I heard that they the major changes like no cinimatic swan dive or ricochet of wall thing at ghana or no flares different lara design or no shoot while crouch.
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BTW if they make TRIII (movie) it should have TRL's plot and scenes, loctions
coz TRI - Triangle of Light revealed stuff on her dad, TRII - Cradle of Life was a bit crappy, and TRIII could reveal stuff one her mother and father!

could be good, if Angie has AODish look and legendish look, coz what I saw from the legend photoshoot model (whatever her name is) the legend outfit didnt look to good (she looked chubby and the belt looked over thick...)

aussie500
30th Sep 2006, 11:02
Your pics are hotlinked again and do not work, please link to the page they are on and indicate which pics you mean, or save the pics to your hardrive and upload them to here http://imageshack.us/ and then copy and paste the thumbnail into your post

LΞGΞND l wish you luck at getting anyone to agree with you, certainly l never will. Perhaps you should just stick to the old games and not play any of the new ones if you have that much trouble accepting change. Legend happens before AOD so why the *$#@ would you expect to find out how AOD ended. Of course there was no developed by Core logo in the credits, probably it escaped your attention you were paying so much attention to minor details but Legend was developed by Crystal Dynamics not Core Design, Lara's voice has changed before and will no doubt change again, She had a different voice in Tomb Raider 1 and Tomb raider II, she still sounded upper class british. If you want to hear her old voice buy the iDVD game being released soon Jonell Elliot is doing the voice, personally l think Jonell made Lara sound much to young, but that was what we got and l accepted it. Speaking of hair styles if you recall young Lara in Last revelation and Chronicles did not braid her hair, maybe early on she did not have a braid, or maybe you just have not seen all the adventures where she decided not to have the braid (fair go they gave you the choice of having the braid in next gen, who cares if she has a braid or not) Prequels sequels...frankly we have no idea when Legend took place in releation to the other games, so l would give up on that idea right there. On one hand you are complaining they did not include Bryce and on the other you are complaining they made minute changes to Lara's hairstyle. Zip was in one of the Chronicles stories (Tomb Raider 5), one of Lara's early adventures in case you missed him. You will not be seeing Bryce or Hillary in the games for some time unless CD jump to a point after AOD, Winston is still very much alive at this point in the games, so Lara does not need a new butler. If you wanted old lara you got her in the flash back segment in Peru, braid, costume, backpack and FLARES. And yes LΞGΞND l have played all the playstation and PC games, and still had no trouble accepting the minor changes to Lara's appearance. But then l am not obsessed with Lara looking exactly the same all the time

LΞGΞND
30th Sep 2006, 12:20
Your pics are hotlinked again and do not work, please link to the page they are on and indicate which pics you mean, or save the pics to your hardrive and upload them to here http://imageshack.us/ and then copy and paste the thumbnail into your post

LΞGΞND l wish you luck at getting anyone to agree with you, certainly l never will. Perhaps you should just stick to the old games and not play any of the new ones if you have that much trouble accepting change. Legend happens before AOD so why the *$#@ would you expect to find out how AOD ended. Of course there was no developed by Core logo in the credits, probably it escaped your attention you were paying so much attention to minor details but Legend was developed by Crystal Dynamics not Core Design, Lara's voice has changed before and will no doubt change again, She had a different voice in Tomb Raider 1 and Tomb raider II, she still sounded upper class british. If you want to hear her old voice buy the iDVD game being released soon Jonell Elliot is doing the voice, personally l think Jonell made Lara sound much to young, but that was what we got and l accepted it. Speaking of hair styles if you recall young Lara in Last revelation and Chronicles did not braid her hair, maybe early on she did not have a braid, or maybe you just have not seen all the adventures where she decided not to have the braid (fair go they gave you the choice of having the braid in next gen, who cares if she has a braid or not) Prequels sequels...frankly we have no idea when Legend took place in releation to the other games, so l would give up on that idea right there. On one hand you are complaining they did not include Bryce and on the other you are complaining they made minute changes to Lara's hairstyle. Zip was in one of the Chronicles stories (Tomb Raider 5), one of Lara's early adventures in case you missed him. You will not be seeing Bryce or Hillary in the games for some time unless CD jump to a point after AOD, Winston is still very much alive at this point in the games, so Lara does not need a new butler. If you wanted old lara you got her in the flash back segment in Peru, braid, costume, backpack and FLARES. And yes LΞGΞND l have played all the playstation and PC games, and still had no trouble accepting the minor changes to Lara's appearance. But then l am not obsessed with Lara looking exactly the same all the time

Damn!! Did u even breath whle reciting that chapter in the life of Ausie500?
Did u break a nail or get blisters?

I never said I wanted Hillary in! and she did have a braid in 4 and 5 but not in the von croy training thing she was still in school! Legends young was in University:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/124.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/trl_highres_shot_official_27.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/comp2.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/comp3.jpg

OK in the last pic above wich one makes you think of the middle lara?

anyway I found the next pic on the net:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/10831-lara_legend_evolution.jpg

and patched it up:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/10831-lara_legend_evolutionTR6008.jpg

note that the AOD model is out dated heres a better one:

compare these:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/postn.jpg
U see... big resemblance... exept for the make up... :)

By the way: What did you say 'bout a iDVD thing?

LΞGΞND
30th Sep 2006, 12:48
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/TR6010n.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/TR6030n.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/nextgen.jpg

mmm... coincidence?
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/janiceamanda.jpg
if Legend is before aod then this is amanda after she ran away with fear from lara in bolivia, lost her jod, end her pet and is now a whore... :D

if its after aod then she was spyig on lara to discover her next adventure... lol. :lmao:

Check this:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/larciacroft.jpg
-------1st lara 1-3----------2nd lara 4-5--------------3rd lara 6-----------4th lara 7-braid---------5th lara 7-new--

I like #4 u like #5, they both make u think of lara, now awnser this wich one does it the most?

aussie500
30th Sep 2006, 12:49
As technology changes so does Lara, l am still convinced of nothing, Legend Lara is still recognisably Lara. You cannot have Bryce without Hillary, and you cannot have Hillary while we still have Winston, and l personally hope Crystal Dynamics has no intention of knocking Winston of anytime soon, l am quite used to having him around. Although it is a pity with his new dignified image that we can no longer lock him in the freezer :D


By the way: What did you say 'bout a iDVD thing?
The interactive DVD Bright Entertainment is releasing
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=62851
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=62895
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=62512
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=75515
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=75524
http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthread.php?t=75533

It is an interactive DVD game based on AOD, you get the story and the fun without the bugs and control problems

LΞGΞND
30th Sep 2006, 12:57
I know what you meen, neither do I want them to remove Winston and add Hillary, I never said I wanted them to... when I saw the deleted scene on the DVD i was shocked, i thought What would drive paramount pics to do that, well... i got my awnser... Mr. Powll tricked winston into believing that his previous master's (Richard Croft) old team needed the info on the clock (seeing that Lord Croft was part of the Illuminati) and to prevent that he tells lara they killed him, they couldv beat him near death and let lara or sum1 fine him, and after the adventure he heals and asks lara to forgive him... that way he didnt have to die and leave fans wondering why hes still in the game...

dont you agree?

LΞGΞND
30th Sep 2006, 13:00
I hope in the anniversary edition they keep the layout of the old mansion, and the outside. Same layout, better graphics...

LΞGΞND
30th Sep 2006, 13:06
Gura mise tha fo éislean
Moch sa mhaduinn is mi g'éirigh


Sèist: Ò hì shiùbhlainn leat
Hì ri bhò hò ru bhì
Hì ri bhò hò rinn o ho
Ailein Duinn, ò hì shiùbhlainn leat


Ma 's e 'n cluasag dhuit a ghaineamh
Ma 's e leabaidh dhut an gheamainn


Ma 's e 'n t-iasg do choinlean geala
Ma 's e na ròin do luchd-faire


Dh'òlainn deoch ge b' oil le c*ch e
De dh'fhuil do choim 's tu 'n déidh do bhathadh

[edit]

Translation

How sorrowful I am
Early in the morning rising


Chorus (after each verse): Ò hì, I would go with thee
Hì ri bhò hò ru bhì
Hì ri bhò hò rinn o ho
Brown-haired Alan, ò hì, I would go with thee


If it is thy pillow the sand
If it is thy bed is the seaweed


If it is the fish thy candles bright
If it is the seals thy watchmen


I would drink, though all would abhor it
Of thy heart's blood after thy drowning

LΞGΞND
30th Sep 2006, 13:13
So thats were that pic of lara running from flames in the aod suit came from... but only one problem... if the game is based on aod and stil has the aod model in the game then why does the cover have a very good rendered AOD lara with Legend lara hair and face? (forget braid)

That iDVD looks cool I wish I had that model ingame on legend, but I did get this modfor Half-Life 2. the faces look crap coz the models were made for HL2 Episode 2's new shader system:

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/Lara_Croft_doublepack_preview.jpg

Treeble
30th Sep 2006, 13:34
when I saw the deleted scene on the DVD i was shocked, i thought What would drive paramount pics to do that, well... i got my awnser... Mr. Powll tricked winston into believing that his previous master's (Richard Croft) old team needed the info on the clock (seeing that Lord Croft was part of the Illuminati) and to prevent that he tells lara they killed him, they couldv beat him near death and let lara or sum1 fine him, and after the adventure he heals and asks lara to forgive him... that way he didnt have to die and leave fans wondering why hes still in the game...

Winston's definitely NOT in the movies. You're mixing up characters here.

LΞGΞND
30th Sep 2006, 14:03
Treeble... are you Troubled?

ovcourse Winston is!!

Go rent or buy:
Lara Croft Tomb Raider I - The Triangle of Light

you know?... the first movie with Angelina Jolie?...

when youve done that go to deleted scenes...

and there you will learn the horible troubling truth treeble... :lol:

PS: pick ur fave, note that #4 has a braid and #5 is the current legend model:
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/larciacroft.jpg

shaq
30th Sep 2006, 14:42
...Are you saying if your girl friend walked in looking like a million dollars with a new hair style and clothes, made up to kill you would not recognise her, would not accept her as the same girl you had always know? If this is so then it is not Lara Croft...

This is the best :thumbsup:

Treeble
30th Sep 2006, 15:00
Treeble... are you Troubled?

ovcourse Winston is!!

Go rent or buy:
Lara Croft Tomb Raider I - The Triangle of Light

you know?... the first movie with Angelina Jolie?...

when youve done that go to deleted scenes...

and there you will learn the horible troubling truth treeble... :lol:

Pick it again and watch it and pay attention to the name. His name is WILSON. An old friend of Richard Croft, NOTHING to do with Winston or a butler. :rolleyes:

From the OFFICIAL collectible cards. (http://www.dustcatchers.com/cards/inkworks/tombraider1/a2.jpg)

I'm definitely not the one "troubled" here. I love the way you talk as if I were a newbie. :rolleyes: Plus the first movie is NOT named "The Triangle of Light". Just "Lara Croft: Tomb Raider".

shaq
30th Sep 2006, 16:02
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k116/Laurence_croft/larciacroft.jpg

Can I ask where did You find this pictures? Nice comparison :D Are they screenshots from the geme? I don't think so...

Treeble
30th Sep 2006, 16:23
Just the last one is a screenshot from the NextGen mode. The rest are all renders. :)

shaq
30th Sep 2006, 16:36
Just the last one is a screenshot from the NextGen mode. The rest are all renders. :)

In which moment You did the last one? good shot in my opinion...btw the NextGen is cool in this case...

Treeble
30th Sep 2006, 17:09
I didn't take it, but I'm pretty sure the Lara model was cut out of a Ghana screenshot. I'll look around to see if I can find it for you. :)

EDIT/

My bad. That one is indeed from a render, but the Ghana screenshot I thought about can be seen here (http://www.laracroft.name/gallery/screens7/screen313.jpg).

Headache
30th Sep 2006, 19:03
Pick it again and watch it and pay attention to the name. His name is WILSON. An old friend of Richard Croft, NOTHING to do with Winston or a butler. :rolleyes:
Damn. I could've sworn it was 'Winston'! Oh well, doesn't matter :D

aussie500
30th Sep 2006, 23:26
Grrrrr....Winston would never have done something stupid like that, shame on you guys for trying to besmirch his good character. He is definetly dead in the movies no way would he let some young good looking fella take his place. Frankly LΞGΞND should unstick his eyes from Lara long enough to pay attention to what is happening in the game/movie

aussie500
30th Sep 2006, 23:54
I know what you meen, neither do I want them to remove Winston and add Hillary, I never said I wanted them to... when I saw the deleted scene on the DVD i was shocked, i thought What would drive paramount pics to do that, well... i got my awnser... Mr. Powll tricked winston into believing that his previous master's (Richard Croft) old team needed the info on the clock (seeing that Lord Croft was part of the Illuminati) and to prevent that he tells lara they killed him, they couldv beat him near death and let lara or sum1 fine him, and after the adventure he heals and asks lara to forgive him... that way he didnt have to die and leave fans wondering why hes still in the game...

dont you agree?

LΞGΞND hardly any of that made any sense. The character in the movie was Wilson, an old friend of Richard Croft and of Lara. And if you actually paid attention to something other than Lara for once you would have noticed from the deleted scene that Wilson was also a member of the illuminati, which is where the conflict lay since he had to betray Lara, and Powell was not so sure he would not also betray the illuminati and tell Lara what he had done, so Powell killed him. As for the cover of the DVD game well they probably thought it would sell better with a nice updated Lara on the cover. And we all know some people have trouble recognising Lara when they see her so maybe they thought it would make it easier for people to work out it was a Lara Croft adventure :whistle:

LΞGΞND
1st Oct 2006, 00:05
Wait... is his name Wilson or Winston?

coz the game says Winston but the movie says Wilson
This is how wilson looks in the movie

http://www.terra.com.br/diversao/galeria/nova_personagens/leslie%20phillips.jpg

unless he was that guy at the auction...

Treeble
1st Oct 2006, 00:37
Games 1-5: WINSTON, Butler.
First movie: WILSON, member of Illuminatti who understands all about clocks and used to be a great friend of Lara's father.

Two completely different persons. The butler Winston was nowhere considered for the movies, instead he was replaced by Hillary which provided a more "dynamic" (in lack of a better word) relationship between Lara and bulter.

Headache
1st Oct 2006, 00:39
First movie: WILSON, member of Illuminatti who understands all about clocks and used to be a great friend of Lara's father.

Two completely different persons. The bulter Winston was nowhere considered for the movies, instead he was replaced with Hillary which provided a more "dynamic" (in lack of a better word) relationship between Lara and the bulter.
Oh yes!!! I remember now! My mind got a bit tangled there :rolleyes:

Terminatorvs
1st Oct 2006, 16:57
1. The guy's name is mr. Wilson. I heard that loud and clear.
2. I think, events in "Legend" take place after "AoD" - Lara's equipment is brand new, mercs have newest guns, we have Zip and Alister aboard. The events in the 4th episode of "Chronicles" took place before "TR3" - you could find the Iris artefact in Lara's treasure vault in "TR3".
3. "Do not believe, what you see in the movies" (C) - my self-defence classes coach. There were a lot of things in the movie, that were distinctive from the game: Zip -> Bryce, Winston -> Hillary, Lord Henshingly Croft -> Lord Richard Croft etc. The storywriters even changed some facts in Lara's bio.
P. S. If the illuminaty wanted to raid Lara's mansion, they should have taken a swarn of corgi dogs with them. :D

Headache
1st Oct 2006, 18:42
P. S. If the illuminaty wanted to raid Lara's mansion, they should have taken a swarn of corgi dogs with them. :D
:lmao:

Haha, OMG!!

zer0nix
2nd Oct 2006, 22:26
Screencaps from gametrailers.com comparing xbox360 (top) and ps2 (bottom) models:

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/6807/bscap009gb7.th.jpg (http://img430.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap009gb7.jpg)
http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/2141/bscap010sj3.th.jpg (http://img430.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap010sj3.jpg)
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3763/bscap011pk2.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap011pk2.jpg)
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1193/bscap012ud6.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap012ud6.jpg)
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1962/bscap013sm6.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap013sm6.jpg)
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7036/bscap014cd9.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap014cd9.jpg)
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/2190/bscap015tf7.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap015tf7.jpg)
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8325/bscap016rm7.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap016rm7.jpg)

zer0nix
2nd Oct 2006, 22:27
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/7205/bscap017uo0.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap017uo0.jpg)
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/6237/bscap018xm2.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap018xm2.jpg)
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/5967/bscap019bo8.th.jpg (http://img304.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bscap019bo8.jpg)

personally, i prefer the ps2 model :p i think she looks more feminine that way and... i don't know... cartoony > 'off-real'

LΞGΞND
4th Oct 2006, 12:25
Sorry, All, my bad (that sounds so American lol.)

I wached the movie a while ago,
just like headache my mind got tangled a bit...

I hope thay bring back Wilson in the 3rd movie with an excuse like, hes was on a vacation or leave...

Nice pics zerOnix, I agree with you, sorta

it's the over load on bump mapping and the bloom effects that make lara look a bit off...

and off the subject... why doesnt her pony tale float like in the other games?