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segamer
16th Jun 2006, 19:04
Tomb Raider was the first 3-D Adventure game I ever played. I bought it for my Sega Saturn back in the day. It broke my heart when Tomb Raider 2 became a Playstation Exclusive. The Next time I'd play a Tomb Raider game would be on Sega's Dreamcast and they weren't very good:( .

Here we are 10 years later and the News of a Tomb Raider Remake has hit the internet. You couldn't imagine the excitement I felt. However, it soon turned to disappointment. Its just for PC, Playstation 2 and PSP.

When you have a franchise like Tomb Raider, you want to make sure you take care of all fans. Not just fans of one console. I own a Video Game Store in Albuquerque, New Mexico called Gamers Anonymous. I can tell you that at my store, we sell 75% more Xbox Products over Playstation. Now I know that not true all over the world. However, we don't sell PC games because the market is dead. PSP stuff sell as slow as a snale and Tomb Raider wouldn't sell well in my shop on PS2. At the rate Xbox stuff sells here, it would probably do well.

Oh well, its not my loss. Its a loss to fans of the Tomb Raider Series and Eidos.

Treeble
16th Jun 2006, 23:10
It's silly thinking Sony rules the market, they can't even come up with creative ideas on their own - seriously the only thing that has kept them on market for so long is third party support like this.

I personally will get down on my knees and pray every single night that they will port this game to GameCube too. :( It's a 'dying' console? So is Playstation 2. :rolleyes:

Isaac
16th Jun 2006, 23:55
Well, it's only because the first Tomb Raider came out on PC and PSX only. They want to follow this tradition with the remake. But I'm sure that they will make it for Gamecube too whatever. If they made a GBA,DS and NGC version for TRL, they will maybe do it for the remake too no?

Treeble
17th Jun 2006, 00:00
Well, it's only because the first Tomb Raider came out on PC and PSX only. They want to follow this tradition with the remake. But I'm sure that they will make it for Gamecube too whatever. If they made a GBA,DS and NGC version for TRL, they will maybe do it for the remake too no?

Actually, the original Tomb Raider was released on Sega Saturn and quickly greedy Sony accquired exclusivity for the next titles. The thing is they've only announced it on PC, PSP and PS2. By the time Legend was announced, they had it scheduled to come out for PC, Xbox and PS2, with Xbox 360 and PSP versions coming shortly after. It was only officially announced it was going to be ported for the GameCube on April 1st - one week prior to it's release on the other platforms.

I hope they do port it, even if it means I'll have to wait additional 6+ months to play it.

segamer
17th Jun 2006, 02:03
Tomb Raider has always been a big name in the gaming market. Sales figures would probably look like this:
50k - GameCube
200k - Xbox
100k - DS
100k- Xbox 360
It ads up to a good number of happy players on all Consoles. Those are under estimated Numbers. I think Eidos could do better. I'd imagine the PSP would do less than 50k. If Capcom had released Resident Evil 4 for Xbox During the sametime period as the Playstation 2 version, they could have moved over 400k units for Xbox easily.

Joshorty
17th Jun 2006, 04:44
I wouldn't have known Tomb Raider if it weren't for my dad, buying a PS-ONE with a bundle of the games his co-worker gave him. one of those games in those bundles were TOMB RAIDER and that was a great game I've played. I wouldn't have known Tomb Raider/liked Tomb Raider if it weren't for PS-ONE:D Of course, I feel bad for those who won't geddit 'cause of their platforms (unless they have a PC - which, IMO not as comfortable with then a console:D . I'd die to have hear that a game is only exlusive to a certain system...but I'm fine here:)

-Dizzy-
17th Jun 2006, 12:16
A lot of developers seem to be ditching the Xbox these days, Microsoft let it die early so no one really cares about it anymore.

With this being a remake perhaps Eidos just doesn't want to risk releasing it on xbox 360 where the development costs are higher.

I'm just happy that it's on PS2 and not just PSP like what I originally saw on IGN.

If you have the money though I would recommend getting a PS2. There is lots of great games that you could get cheap. You wouldn't regret it.

Treeble
17th Jun 2006, 13:49
It's not about the money, really. I don't own a Playstation because of it's brand. I'm a Nintendo hardcore at heart and will die that way. Fact is, there still is a very large share of Tomb Raider fans on other systems, PC mainly, but there were Tomb Raider games on Saturn, Dreamcast, Gameboy... To me the whole exclusivity agreement is silly, except if Sony had designed Lara (like Sega had Sonic and Nintendo has Mario), which as we all know, it didn't.:rolleyes:

segamer
17th Jun 2006, 19:44
Eidos is making a mistake because the are missing an opportunity to continue promoting the Tomb Raider brand. As far as Xbox goes, there are 22 million units on the Market. Just because the Xbox 360 has been released doesn't mean that those systems are suddenly boxed up and put in a closet. To port the source code over to other consoles including Xbox 360 isn't as expensive as developers would have you believe.

Working in the industry, there's a good many reasons why I'm not happy with Playstation 2. Its called "Disc Read Error". Sony claims they have 100 million units on the market. However everyone I've known has owned 2-3 PS2's because they stop reading disc. There's probably 30 million working units world wide.

susan
17th Jun 2006, 20:23
I hope you guys do get it for the Xbox eventually, and even the Gamecube for Treeble. :)

I have a feeling this may have something to do with the exclusivity deals that TR had with Sony PS earlier on. For legal reasons Eidos may be bound to release the remakes on those platforms first. But hopefully they'll be OK later on, especially if the game does sell well.

If it is this reason, then Sony won't want Eidos to announce this fact upfront, especially as a release like this could boost their PSP sales a fair amount.

midroth
17th Jun 2006, 20:37
And further good news... :D
*sorry*

Karthik
18th Jun 2006, 02:19
It'll come to X360 and Gamecube at a later date I think.

aussie500
18th Jun 2006, 07:42
l doubt it, l think the contract with Sony means it will only be on their consoles and PC. Core were doing it for the same 3 platforms PS2, PSP and PC. l think the best you could hope for is that they will later do a version for the PS3

Treeble
18th Jun 2006, 16:19
That's though to say, Eidos doesn't seem to have an agreement with Sony for the latest outings (Legend, for instance, it's on about every platform or will be in a couple more months). We're still not sure if the Anniversary Edition is still going to be a remake, but in that case, it'd require a new agreement, wouldn't it? :scratch:

Raider0011
18th Jun 2006, 19:47
Eidos' exclusivity agreement with Sony was not specific to Tomb Raider 2 & 3 from what I understand, it was based on a set number of years. As such, there should be no issue with releasing the anniversary title on XBox & XBox 360. I know that a lot of XBox & XBox 360 owners are Tomb Raider fans, so I'm very sorry to see that this game at this time is planned to be exclusive. I hope that Eidos wises up and announces a new release plan for this game. Due to Microsoft's XNA kit, it wouldn't be terribly involved to port this game to XBox or XBox 360 from PC.

:mad:

Joshorty
18th Jun 2006, 19:56
I'm lucky to have own a PS-1/2 ever since:D but it's hard to see that not all will be able to play:( unless they have a good PC and such and such...

kksmith
19th Jun 2006, 01:48
Yeah it's a bit confusing. My guess was that since TR premiered on the PC and PSX, they are sticking to those (and Sega Saturn I think, but Sega no longer has a system so that is moot). PSP is a little odd though, and I can only guess the reason for that is maybe it's easy enough to port PS2 titles to the PSP (similar hardware and all). I don't know though.

But as I said in another topic, Capcom did a similar thing with the Mega Man Anniversary Edition. That was only released for GameCube and PS2, given that the first 8 Mega Man games were only for NES (MM 1-6), SNES (MM7) and PSX (MM8). But then, later they went and released a version for Xbox several months later. So I suppose versions of this might show up for the other consoles, but maybe they wanted to keep it to those specific platforms first since it's an Anniversary game.

I think this may also help with development time (not developing for 6 different platforms at once and all). And they kind of need to get this game out in time for November to meet the anniversary date :)

Karthik
19th Jun 2006, 01:53
Correct me if I'm wrong but Tomb Raider was a PS only game and the PC version was there because Sony's exclusive rights only reflect console owners, right?

Joshorty
19th Jun 2006, 01:56
um...I dunno about the facts but I know what you said there wasn't correct. Someone here will correct that info for you:) ...(waitin'...)

Treeble
19th Jun 2006, 02:20
Tomb Raider came to Saturn a whole month before it was ported to the Playstation, THEN Sony came with the exclusivity agreement which only lasted until TR3. Tomb Raider 4 and 5 was released on Dreamcast. Tomb Raider 6 probably would have been ported to Xbox, hadn't it been such a flop.

Likewise, the Resident Evil Remake is exclusive to GameCube, yet the game was featured in PS1. I think only Resident Evil 2 was released for Nintendo 64.

Oh well, it's really confusing, but I really think they should port the Anniversary Edition to all platforms (GameCube and Xbox/X360). Cost/benefit should prove it's worth it. :scratch:

kksmith
19th Jun 2006, 02:29
Correct me if I'm wrong but Tomb Raider was a PS only game and the PC version was there because Sony's exclusive rights only reflect console owners, right?

No, Tomb Raider definately started on PC. I'm quite positive about that :)

midroth
19th Jun 2006, 05:19
Hm, TR was first a Saturn Game, second a Playstation Game, finaly a PC Game. And what has this to do with TR10AE?

dufflover
19th Jun 2006, 05:35
Hm, TR was first a Saturn Game, second a Playstation Game, finaly a PC Game. And what has this to do with TR10AE?
Nothing...:)

kksmith
19th Jun 2006, 06:23
Hm, TR was first a Saturn Game, second a Playstation Game, finaly a PC Game. And what has this to do with TR10AE?

http://www.mobygames.com/game/tomb-raider/release-info

midroth
19th Jun 2006, 08:14
The saturn release date for europe isn't mentioned. Anyway, something is wrong. Guess, I ask Goran...

GoranAgar
19th Jun 2006, 10:01
Tomb Raider was first released for the Sega Saturn console. Then it came for PC and PS.

If I remember correctly it was September 15, 1996 for the Saturn.

midroth
19th Jun 2006, 10:06
You are my hero! Thanks. :D

GoranAgar
19th Jun 2006, 10:10
Maybe we just believe IGN: http://cheats.ign.com/objects/000/000225.html

kksmith
19th Jun 2006, 14:41
Ah, so Mobygames is wrong?

Either way, the gap wasn't too big ;) I'm sure they were all being developed simultaneously.

Edit:
http://wikiraider.com/index.php/Tomb_Raider_1

Now the wiki has different dates entirely -_- Not that I necessarily believe the wiki, but does anyone know the actual *correct* dates? :D Is IGN right?

digifan
19th Jun 2006, 16:12
It'll come to X360 and Gamecube at a later date I think.

I heard that one before. :rolleyes:


Frankly I am glad this limited edition of the TR series is not going to be on the XB360. Aside from trying to unlock XBL achievement points and seeing superior graphics, there is no other purpose to having this game on this "next gen" game console. At the moment all the new XB360 games are focus either on sports or shooters games. Not my arena, pardon the pun. :p:

Nerevar
19th Jun 2006, 16:27
[...] September 15, 1996 for the Saturn.
Mere mortals didn't get to play it before October. Eidos Interactive had a focus group review the game in September - and they gave away free games and food [sic!]. I'm guessing the U.K. release date was October 24 ;).

segamer
19th Jun 2006, 16:55
Frankly I am glad this limited edition of the TR series is not going to be on the XB360. Aside from trying to unlock XBL achievement points and seeing superior graphics, there is no other purpose to having this game on this "next gen" game console. At the moment all the new XB360 games are focus either on sports or shooters games. Not my arena, pardon the pun. :p:

For anyone that has already made the investment of an Xbox 360 and that wants to play the Tomb Raider Remake, why would you want play any other version?

segamer
19th Jun 2006, 17:12
Tomb Raider was first released for the Sega Saturn console. Then it came for PC and PS.

If I remember correctly it was September 15, 1996 for the Saturn.

I don't know were everyone is from in the world but different territory's may have gotten the original Tomb Raider on different Plateforms at different times. However at the time, CORE had a very good relationship with SEGA and started developement of Tomb Raider on Sega Saturn. Both Saturn and Playstation versions of Tomb Raider were released at the same time in the USA.

midroth
19th Jun 2006, 19:22
Both Saturn and Playstation versions of Tomb Raider were released at the same time in the USA.Believe it or not, here is europe.
Further, if the people from EIDOS give an answer to a question, why say always any smarties: "I know it better"? That's so poor...

Commando
20th Jun 2006, 19:28
l doubt it, l think the contract with Sony means it will only be on their consoles and PC. Core were doing it for the same 3 platforms PS2, PSP and PC. l think the best you could hope for is that they will later do a version for the PS3
Yeah I'd really want to see a PS3 version too, but I doubt that it will come out if the other versions come out a few months before the PS3. I would rather see a PS3 Tomb Raider that follows after Tomb Raider 3 and maybe it could be Tomb Raider 4. I mean it's been a while since we've seen a Tomb Raider with a number at the end of it's title so this could possibly lead it to be Tomb Raider 4. I believe that the Tomb Raider titles 1,2, and 3 were the best out of the rest of them and that if they do come out with a 4th one, it'll surely be better than all of the Tomb Raiders games. That is if they feature every element that has made the original great as well as the new abilities in the later versions of the game. They could even bring back the older Lara Croft or even have her be unlockable and playable after beating the game.


I'd still however want to see an Anniversary Edition of Tomb Raider and I hope that we see every title that was released of Tomb Raider (maybe even Tomb Raider: Legend and Lara Croft Tomb Raider: AOD) and they should all be enhanced with better graphics and maybe even some new levels. Add that along with the original gameplay of these games and I'm sure that this will turn out to be the best selling Tomb Raider ever.

Treeble
20th Jun 2006, 21:31
I think it's unlikely that we'll see stuff from TR2 - TR6 though, I mean, it's a 10th Anniversary Edition, so I'm not sure if it refers to Tomb Raider, the first game, or Tomb Raider, the franchise. I'd believe to be the former. :scratch: We haven't even been confirmed if it will still be a remake.

Commando
21st Jun 2006, 19:54
Good point you made Treeble, but maybe if we just keep posting and giving the forums the ideas that we'd like to see in the Anniversary Edition, maybe we'll get the things that we wanted. I mean on Atari Forums people can usually get what they want when developers take a look at the people's wishlists so maybe that could happen on this forums too.

Treeble
21st Jun 2006, 23:37
You could be right there, but unfortunately there's such a huge tide of negativity throughout these Tomb Raider boards and I'd say they're likely to listen to those instead to our rather simple and 'overlookable' pleas. :scratch:

Raider0011
9th Jul 2006, 00:37
Yes, the negativity is really getting on my nerves... :mad2:

I do hope that the exclusivity deals are at an end though. I would love to play the Anniversary Edition my by XB360, and honestly feel that releasing the games on multiple platforms makes the most sense both financially as well as for the fans...

-Matt-

Alexlovesguns
24th Jul 2006, 14:02
I hope they make a better job porting the PC version this time, Legend is full of graphical errors and messed up textures and i still dont understand how such a small game took 7+ gigs of HD space??. If the next game was made for xbox, xbox360 and PC, development would be easier due to hw interface similarities and the result would most likely be superior too. I dont want another game limited by the worst gaming hw available.. sony is holding things back.

If the game doesnt come out for xbox and xbox360 im afraid the PC version might not be all that good :whistle: .

Joshorty
24th Jul 2006, 14:26
I believe it was that mcuh 'cause they included both the current-gen and next-gen graphics - accordin' to my brother:whistle: is it true though:confused:

Karthik
25th Jul 2006, 13:18
I believe it was that mcuh 'cause they included both the current-gen and next-gen graphics - accordin' to my brother:whistle: is it true though:confused:
Yeah....it was included in a pretty bad way. They took the XBOX content and Xbox360 content and crammed it up onto one DVD.....which explains the 7GB size. It would have been nice if the PC version allowed users to install normal version instead of both versions.

Joshorty
25th Jul 2006, 16:44
YEAH 'cause my bro would complain so much about the disk size since next-gen for us isn't a good fit:mad2:

bromthyrant
25th Jul 2006, 19:34
Tomb Raider was the first 3-D Adventure game I ever played. I bought it for my Sega Saturn back in the day. It broke my heart when Tomb Raider 2 became a Playstation Exclusive. The Next time I'd play a Tomb Raider game would be on Sega's Dreamcast and they weren't very good:( .

Here we are 10 years later and the News of a Tomb Raider Remake has hit the internet. You couldn't imagine the excitement I felt. However, it soon turned to disappointment. Its just for PC, Playstation 2 and PSP.

When you have a franchise like Tomb Raider, you want to make sure you take care of all fans. Not just fans of one console. I own a Video Game Store in Albuquerque, New Mexico called Gamers Anonymous. I can tell you that at my store, we sell 75% more Xbox Products over Playstation. Now I know that not true all over the world. However, we don't sell PC games because the market is dead. PSP stuff sell as slow as a snale and Tomb Raider wouldn't sell well in my shop on PS2. At the rate Xbox stuff sells here, it would probably do well.

Oh well, its not my loss. Its a loss to fans of the Tomb Raider Series and Eidos.

Your customers that buy the Xbox stuff actually doesn´t have a PC, that´s why you sell more xbox stuff.
XBOX is a god damm PC inside a box, IS NOT A CONSOLE!!

Raider0011
31st Jul 2006, 00:31
Your customers that buy the Xbox stuff actually doesn´t have a PC, that´s why you sell more xbox stuff.
XBOX is a god damm PC inside a box, IS NOT A CONSOLE!!

Could you please clarify this? The If the XBox isn't a console I'm not sure what it is... You can't use it for functions for which a PC would be required (Such as typing a letter, surfing the net, using applications, etc.). As it is specifically designed for video game play, it is clearly a VIDEO GAME CONSOLE...

Laraman
31st Jul 2006, 12:48
It's possible just coming to those platforms because it's a smaller project than Tomb Raider: Legend and it's probably easier to make a profit from those platforms as well.

And TREEBLE, you mentioned that Sony isn't terribly good at coming up with creative ideas of their own - I have to disagree. I'm presuming you're living outside of Europe because Sony Europe have provided some pretty creative stuff - Singstar, Buzz and the Eyetoy. Sony were also the first to introduce dancemats to the console world (as far as I know). You could say that all of those are things already done in real life and just brought to a console, but then again so are all the other creative ideas that other console makers bring :)

Treeble
31st Jul 2006, 15:22
Yeah, I'm in Brazil, but never mind me. I'm a Nintendo hardcore and hardly will ever agree with anything that is Sony related. ;)