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Giolon
14th Apr 2006, 21:28
I love Tomb Raider Legend. It is my favorite Tomb Raider game, and I've played all of them except AoD. From the moment I saw the title screen with Lara standing there, and the dramatically sweeping epic music, I knew it would be something special!

While it's not perfect, for example, its length leaves a litle to be desired, it is absolutely a solid game and worthy of any action-adventure game fan's collection.

Let's get the bad out of the way first. Tomb Raider Legend is quite short. With approximately 7 levels, none of which are particularly long, you'll find the game lasting you somewhere between 6 and 10 hours on your first play through. That is not counting the Croft Mansion, which acts as sort of a standalone scavenger hunt. Also, Lara's original backstory seems to have been tossed out the window and is now replaced with a new one, which is sitll OK, but not as inspired or inspiring as the original.

Now on to the positives – Legend is the best controlling Tomb Raider game ever. While the old, rigid, grid based movement scheme was suitable in 1996, in 2006 it could never fly. Crystal Dynamics has made controlling Lara very fun. She moves responsively and believably, no longer confined to the grid as in the past. Essentially, the controls match up to any excellently controlling modern action-adventure game like the Prince of Persia series. Lara's also got some new moves, such as swinging off horizontal poles like in Prince of Persia, and shimmy quickly along ledges. There are even a few undocumented moves like flips and backbends that serve no practical function but provide nice little Easter eggs when you discover them.

Combat is relatively simple, but fun. It utilizes a lock-on system similar to the old Tomb Raider games, though weapons now all have a range and you can only carry 1 additional weapon aside from your standard pistols. Weapons and ammo are picked up from defeated enemies (the pistols still have infinite ammo, but now have a clip that needs to be reloaded). New combat moves include the ability to kick and slide-tackle enemies as well as an over the head flip that puts Lara into a sort of bullet time that gives you extra time to get some shots off.

Legend is very focused, and it's always focused on making sure you're doing something cool or fun at any given moment, never leaving you stuck for too long by making everything you need in proximity with each other. There's a certain convenience to that, but it does make the game linear and easy. I hope for the future that they can strike a balance between the old almost completely open ended areas that would leave you stumped for hours and the new to allow us to keep our focus on "fun" but ratchet up the difficulty of the puzzles a bit and give us more exploration.

While it's a little short and a tad on the easy side, Tomb Raider Legend is still a very good game. For the first time ever, I actually want to replay the game to find all the secrets and beat the time trials. Tomb Raider Legend is definitely worth playing and a bold step in the right direction for the Tomb Raider series.

So, if anyone from Eidos or Crystal Dynamics visits this place, I want to say thank you for bringing us the best Tomb Raider to date!

thoran6
14th Apr 2006, 22:53
Eidos and CD, ignore all the above, they werent playing the same game as a majority of us disagree. it was waaaaaaaaayyyy too easy. a game for a 3rd grader to play. easy puzzles, 2 annoying guys in your ear telling you exactly what to do the whole time, shiny objects to point out what to move and such, this game treated us like a kid that had never heard of TR before. it needed huge levels like the sphinx and venice, it needed longer and harder puzzles, heck she didnt even fall when u took your thumb off of the button. she always caught everything, looked where the clues were..it was a bad game all the way around, i am going to buy TR2 again today so i can see what a real TR game is all about,,,please CD dont ever ever design another TR game stick to Kain....

sheighton
15th Apr 2006, 00:18
Eidos and CD, ignore all the above, they werent playing the same game as a majority of us disagree. it was waaaaaaaaayyyy too easy. a game for a 3rd grader to play. easy puzzles, 2 annoying guys in your ear telling you exactly what to do the whole time, shiny objects to point out what to move and such, this game treated us like a kid that had never heard of TR before. it needed huge levels like the sphinx and venice, it needed longer and harder puzzles, heck she didnt even fall when u took your thumb off of the button. she always caught everything, looked where the clues were..it was a bad game all the way around, i am going to buy TR2 again today so i can see what a real TR game is all about,,,please CD dont ever ever design another TR game stick to Kain....

I don't think that this is a fair assesment, especially since it come from someone with the grammatical and spelling skills of a child...By the way thoran6, the majority would actually disagree with you...

Anyways Eidos and Crystal Dynamics, I thought that this was a great game. Albeit was not as expansive, time-consuming, enigmatic, or revolutionary as some of the previous Tomb Raider games, but this game definitely was far and above the quality of the last Tomb Raider, Angel of Darkness. The graphics also made this game eye candy, and as most people find that graphics can make or break a game almost as much as content this was a definate plus. Furthermore, despite the few flaws, I would like to agree with Goilon that this is one of the best, if not the best, Tomb Raider games to date.:thumbsup:

thoran6
15th Apr 2006, 00:28
well i just turned 40 last week and remember standing in line to buy the first TR. it was huge, 3 of legend's levels could fit into 1 of TR's..there was no auto grab, believe it or not there once was a time when you actually missed a ledge and fell..you used to be able to carry more than one weapon and combine items to make a key or such, there were more than 3 health packs in 2 different sizes, there were animals and gators and sharks. there were long hard puzzles and great cut scenes, i could go on and on, just go back and play 1 level of TR1 or 2 and then tell me that legends is still the best ever....and besides nothing was spelled wrong by the way...anyhow, MOST of the post are complaining about how short it was or auto grab or something...i would take angel of darkness anyday over legends...

thoran6
15th Apr 2006, 00:29
by the this is how you spell definite, there is no a

ShadowOfOblivion
15th Apr 2006, 00:36
by the this is how you spell definite, there is no a

Yeah and you forgot to use the word 'way' to properly link your sentence together, so you're a fool.

Go away. Legend is a great game and Crystal Dynamics doesn't need your misguided criticism, when this game is far and beyond any TR game released since TR2.

This is what TR3 should have been.

Straw Dog
15th Apr 2006, 00:38
lol, to this whole thread.

ShadowOfOblivion
15th Apr 2006, 00:41
lol, to this whole thread.

I agree with your statement right there.

Would it be too much to ask mods to warn/ban these people, when they come in and purposely crap on Crystal Dynamics or try to ruin the mood of a thread? It's really starting to get on my (and 50% of this entire forum's) nerves.

Straw Dog
15th Apr 2006, 00:43
I agree with your statement right there.

Would it be too much to ask mods to warn/ban these people, when they come in and purposely crap on Crystal Dynamics or try to ruin the mood of a thread? It's really starting to get on my (and 50% of this entire forum's) nerves.

Oopsy, better get your flame resistant coat on quick mate, I sense the words 'freedom of speech' heading rapidly this way, like a swarm of angry wasps... bzzzzzzzzzzz

Straw dog runs...........

King_dbm
15th Apr 2006, 00:54
well i just turned 40 last week and remember standing in line to buy the first TR. it was huge, 3 of legend's levels could fit into 1 of TR's..there was no auto grab, believe it or not there once was a time when you actually missed a ledge and fell..you used to be able to carry more than one weapon and combine items to make a key or such, there were more than 3 health packs in 2 different sizes, there were animals and gators and sharks. there were long hard puzzles and great cut scenes, i could go on and on, just go back and play 1 level of TR1 or 2 and then tell me that legends is still the best ever....and besides nothing was spelled wrong by the way...anyhow, MOST of the post are complaining about how short it was or auto grab or something...i would take angel of darkness anyday over legends...
Although, I don't agree with you competely, as I think TRL was the best tomb raider game i've played yet, I think the levels could be longer, but this is what bugged me most, there are only like two things to shoot, people and tigers. I miss the sharks, and raptors from TR3, the monkeys, rats, super natural things. Hopefully the next one will have all that. I also miss searching for ammo, and weapons, and collecting them all, instead of just having 2 guns. But over all, the voice acting, and story, as well as controls and graphics, put this game over the top of the old ones, and it's like x5 better then AOD (worst in the series if you ask me) It was a bit easy, but maybe they'll read all this and take our complaints into accont, and combine them with the strengeths in legend, and make a really good number 8

sheighton
15th Apr 2006, 00:56
well i just turned 40 last week and remember standing in line to buy the first TR. it was huge, 3 of legend's levels could fit into 1 of TR's..there was no auto grab, believe it or not there once was a time when you actually missed a ledge and fell..you used to be able to carry more than one weapon and combine items to make a key or such, there were more than 3 health packs in 2 different sizes, there were animals and gators and sharks. there were long hard puzzles and great cut scenes, i could go on and on, just go back and play 1 level of TR1 or 2 and then tell me that legends is still the best ever....and besides nothing was spelled wrong by the way...anyhow, MOST of the post are complaining about how short it was or auto grab or something...i would take angel of darkness anyday over legends...

Wow you must have not been playing TRL then...I mean how could you have?


1. If you miss a jump or a ledge in the game a take a big fall you die just like in any other Tomb Raider game.
2. Carrying a half dozen weapons in any Tomb Raider game is extremely unrealistic and I appluade the developers for adding some realism by making it so you coul only carry one other weapon.
3. Health packs are unrealistic anyways so why are you complaining? In my opinion there really should be no health packs, I mean a person can only take so many hits in real life...But because it is a game I will conceed the need for them and I think that it was very well done in TRL.
4. Tomb Raider Legends has the best cut scenes so far.
5. You get to kill animals, people, and monsters in this one just like in any other Tomb Raider, there is just less variety.
6. You cannot type anything except enigmatic garbage, as you absolutely butcher the grammar of the English language when you type. Therefore I conclude that you are a fool, and the fact that you would choose AOD over TRL confirms this. AOD had a complete set of assinine controls for the computer, at least TRL used a standard shooter configuration with seamless movement.

Given this game has less content and length than previous Tomb Raider games, but that is its only flaw, and I personally believe that the rest of the game is so well done that it more than makes up for it...

Straw Dog
15th Apr 2006, 00:58
:thumbsup:

munchkin
15th Apr 2006, 01:13
I agree with your statement right there.

Would it be too much to ask mods to warn/ban these people, when they come in and purposely crap on Crystal Dynamics or try to ruin the mood of a thread? It's really starting to get on my (and 50% of this entire forum's) nerves.

i agree said the same thing myself, got flamed to hell for it, but it needs saying, it is NOT the view of the majority, and these constant threads, of theirs, not to mention the threadjacking of the more positive threads like this, all by the same members for the most part, is seriosuly irritiating. it does nothing more than drives the people who loved TRL, away to other forums, or just of line altogether to play some more. it does not encourage peopel to share, lovingly their experiences.

keep the positive reviews coming, and maybe realism, will take over once more.

beccaxx

NaughtyGirl
15th Apr 2006, 01:38
if AOD had looked and been as fluid as TRL it would have been an amazing game! But instead it was a hot buggy mess. Now a) I don't know why people flame Core, who did an excellent job with the first 6 games IMO and were only trying to upgrade and do what was actually achieved in TRL with motion. I applaud Core for giving us TR in the first place! b) quit beefin' ove a dayum video game. It was sickening with AOD and is sickening now. State your opinion in a logical way and move on!!:rolleyes:

thoran6
15th Apr 2006, 02:30
last time i checked this was the TR forum, if you are looking for the english/grammar forum you are in the wrong place.


i was trying to say that alot of people are complaining, and here is one:

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=58424

i have only fallen once due to the autograb, there should be an option to turn it off

i cant see how you dont miss the long jumps and holding down the proper buttons to grab and all the weapons and just the whole aspect of the previous games.

yes some of the changes are great, but overall it is a mess. not what i thought it would be at all.

i wished i could have phrased it like King dmb, but it too late now.
anyhow i am going to read my kid's english book so as not too offend any of the people who analyze each letter....

Giolon
15th Apr 2006, 02:40
I thought I had stated my opinions in a logical and coherent way. It's disappointing to see the trolls hop in to flame away. I should have donned my flame retardant suit first.

This is merely my opinion of the game. I enjoyed it very much, and I've been a Tomb Raider fan since the first game. I even drove an hour to a Gamestop that was the only store around that had the game in-stock for PC. I'm sorry if you didn't like the game, but I love it and hope that Crystal Dynamics and Eidos build upon it for the future. :)

Joshorty
15th Apr 2006, 03:23
Well I don't mind any opnions at all actually yet interested to see. One for sure, everyone says, WAY too short....well, this is Crystal Dynamics chance to make a sort of a DIRECTORS CUT of Tomb Raider Legend for the PS3:D :D their BIG chance.

TRfan
15th Apr 2006, 03:32
It's ok to express your dislikes about the game but you don't have to act like a whiny *****. People will like or hate the game for whatever reason and I think some of ya'll need to learn to respect other's opinions and keep it moving.

Ok... the game isn't long enough. I think even the developers know that the game wasn't that long of a game. I give major props to the developers for breathing life back into a series that was damn near DEAD! To sit here and whine and complain about it not being a true TR game... THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER TOMB RAIDER LIKE TOMB RAIDER 1! Just face it. They could have easily stretched this game out by adding levers and doors and da da da but IMO, they seem to have taken the straightforward approach as far as how the story unfolds, which is fine. How long did you really want to be in Tokyo(?) climbing up buildings and fighter the chinese mob?! Yea, they could have had her walking the streets. whatever. They didn't.

Im sure they'll do whatever it is to try to please everyone next time. WHo knows, maybe Legend was short because they have something bigger and better planned for the next TR game when PS3 and XBOX360 beginning to replace XBOX and PS2.

gingerspice+tombobsessed
15th Apr 2006, 03:42
Wow you must have not been playing TRL then...I mean how could you have?


1. If you miss a jump or a ledge in the game a take a big fall you die just like in any other Tomb Raider game.
2. Carrying a half dozen weapons in any Tomb Raider game is extremely unrealistic and I appluade the developers for adding some realism by making it so you coul only carry one other weapon.
3. Health packs are unrealistic anyways so why are you complaining? In my opinion there really should be no health packs, I mean a person can only take so many hits in real life...But because it is a game I will conceed the need for them and I think that it was very well done in TRL.
4. Tomb Raider Legends has the best cut scenes so far.
5. You get to kill animals, people, and monsters in this one just like in any other Tomb Raider, there is just less variety.
6. You cannot type anything except enigmatic garbage, as you absolutely butcher the grammar of the English language when you type. Therefore I conclude that you are a fool, and the fact that you would choose AOD over TRL confirms this. AOD had a complete set of assinine controls for the computer, at least TRL used a standard shooter configuration with seamless movement.

Given this game has less content and length than previous Tomb Raider games, but that is its only flaw, and I personally believe that the rest of the game is so well done that it more than makes up for it...

I agree with everything you're saying about TRL being the best TR game ever because it is. And you seriously have no idea how hard I laughed at part where you said "You're a fool, and the fact that you would choose AOD over Legend proves that" It's so true - WOW you're hilarious.

RAZMAT
15th Apr 2006, 04:16
it seems like the original poster found more negatives in the part he said were positives.it's no wonder why.though i'm just in the peru level i aint too happy with this game at all so far.it seems like it's mostly a 3rd person shooter now.the levels are linear as hell.towards the end of bolivia it seems it's kicking me from one cutscene to the next every few yards with shooting a few missionaries in between.then the start of the peru(without chasing any secrets)you run through to yet another cut scene , shoot yet a few more mercinaries.the camera is always floating to the side of lara or in front facing her or something.even though the graphics are good the color seems dull and dark and plain.sometimes it's hard to tell which way you can go.but , mostly there is only one way to go anyway.its funny that eidos said they were going back to the old tr's when actually it's not even close.they touted the new engine but there's not anything extra that you can do.the other trs were much more complex levels and much more fullfilling ,to me anyways.especially with all the tech problems it looks like a company putting out thier first game.the only thing i like about this game is the movement and controls though i'm sure there will be some good moments,if i play the rest of the game.i noticed that nividia has been sticking thier face in all the newer big games and you better run out and spend big money on a top line nividia card or the game performance will probably kill the game for you anyway.

sheighton
15th Apr 2006, 05:33
...shooting a few missionaries...shoot yet a few more mercinaries...

God what is wrong with you?!? You are shooting MISSIONARIES?!? Those poor good Christians trying to lend their fellow man a hand...What did they ever do to you? Shooting mercenaries on the other hand, that is a big part of this game...Anyways play the rest of the game, you will probably think more highly of it by the time you are done. And oh yeah, by the way, use your PLS more often if you think that areas are too dark. Frankly, though not the best, this game is one of the better games to come out recently when it comes to graphics and lighting, and in my opinion that is one of the things that makes up for some of the lacking content...Hey ya' gotta have da' eye candy, baby! :p

RAZMAT
15th Apr 2006, 05:35
i was on another place and at least 80%of the people had a huge amount of negative things to say about legend.i agree and am already looking for a new game without finishing legend.

sheighton
15th Apr 2006, 05:49
i was on another place and at least 80%of the people had a huge amount of negative things to say about legend.i agree and am already looking for a new game without finishing legend.

Hey at least it is a HUGE step foward from AOD...The future looks promising...

The thing you have to take into account though is that Legend is probably the current best single person shooter on the market at the moment...Good luck trying to find another game. I would recommend Oblivion or Guild Wars: Factions...

It really is too bad that you did not like a game that so many of us love...

kesayo
15th Apr 2006, 06:03
last time i checked this was the TR forum, if you are looking for the english/grammar forum you are in the wrong place.


i was trying to say that alot of people are complaining, and here is one:

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=58424

i have only fallen once due to the autograb, there should be an option to turn it off

i cant see how you dont miss the long jumps and holding down the proper buttons to grab and all the weapons and just the whole aspect of the previous games.

yes some of the changes are great, but overall it is a mess. not what i thought it would be at all.

i wished i could have phrased it like King dmb, but it too late now.
anyhow i am going to read my kid's english book so as not too offend any of the people who analyze each letter....

You're right, this is not an English grammar forum.
Nevertheless, being 40 years old, you should know that people judge you (and your credibility) based on the quality of your writing.
You don't have to be Shakespeare, but not capitalizing your I's and using 'u' instead of spelling out 'you' just makes you look stupid and draws attention away from your argument.
If you want to be viewed as an intelligent adult, you should try to communicate like one.

Another problem with your post is your condescending tone. If you want to voice your complaints and suggestions go right ahead. But why do you feel the need to put the developers down by saying that they should never make another Tomb Raider again? That was a totally unnecessary and unhelpful remark.

By the way, I agree with you that the puzzles are pretty easy compared to the older TR games. I also agree that the game should have been much longer. However, I still had a lot of fun playing it. And that's all that really matter to me.

Xxx_Lara_xxX
15th Apr 2006, 07:05
I give major props to the developers for breathing life back into a series that was damn near DEAD! To sit here and whine and complain about it not being a true TR game... THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER TOMB RAIDER LIKE TOMB RAIDER 1! Just face it. They could have easily stretched this game out by adding levers and doors and da da da but IMO, they seem to have taken the straightforward approach as far as how the story unfolds, which is fine. How long did you really want to be in Tokyo(?) climbing up buildings and fighter the chinese mob?! Yea, they could have had her walking the streets. whatever.

:thumbsup:

Never another like TR1 - ah that breaks my heart :( But exactly on target, could have had her asking a Tokyo prostitute :rolleyes: for game hints but someone or several people or perhaps the entire Crystal D team had the basic common sense NOT to do something so silly and well, horrifically embarrassing! And fans were complaining that TR had become the same old find the levers, keys, push blocks and backtrack to the beginning, so CD made this game more linear with fewer levers, keys, pushing blocks and backtracking, but now we complain we want them back.... well its their first try and big congrats to them, overall a huge step forward IMO :D :)

Kozey
15th Apr 2006, 07:49
she didnt even fall when u took your thumb off of the button
Omg yes, holding a single button for 5 minutes is sooo chalenging and fun - it makes the game much more exciting and difficult. Now really, get out of your 1996 hole - TR hasn't been on the tops of gaming since then - and it was exactly because of the stupid control system that made you hold on to a button like a mad idiot. The fact that you can't accept a change that is not only necessary, it's absolutely compulsory means you haven't played any other game past the year 2000.

Btw. I do agree on some points, like it being too short and way too easy at times. But most of the original TR difficulty was quite artificial - replaying half a level because you can't time a jump right is silly - that's Super Mario gameplay, not of a modern game. Most of the features had alsoa more like a cosmetical implementation, they were absolutely no new "features" - like the stealth in TRC - that was the poorest implementation of "stealth" I've ever seen - probably took about a day to put in. In TRL though everything is made to suit the situation and the story - nothing seems "out of place" - both technically and gameplay-wise.

Straw Dog
15th Apr 2006, 08:33
by the this is how you spell definite, there is no a

followed by this answer when someone corrects the appaling grammar in this post...


last time i checked this was the TR forum, if you are looking for the english/grammar forum you are in the wrong place.

BEEEEP, CONTRADICTION ALERT, CONTRADICTION ALERT, DOES NOT COMPUTE.. DOES NOT COMPUTE

Giolon
15th Apr 2006, 08:48
I've gone back and played in the Croft Manor a bit more and the more I do, the more I like it. It definitely gives some of the "where am I supposed to go next?" feeling of the old games. It makes for a very satisfying scavenger hunt after you've beaten the main campaign.

NaughtyGirl
15th Apr 2006, 11:44
You don't have to be Shakespeare, but not capitalizing your I's and using 'u' instead of spelling out 'you' just makes you look stupid and draws attention away from your argument.

well, actually, Prince does it and I find him to be almost one of the smartest persons you could ever have a conversation with so........

now liking AOD over Legend tho makes someone suspect but hey to each their own. I remember being one of the first persons to say how clunky and buggy AOD was and getting reamed out by people telling me I should love the game becaue it's Lara Croft-Tomb Raider. It's really not that deep if someone doesn't like the game! MOVE ON!! Don't flame the flamer. Someone needs to step up, be the bigger person, and just let everyone say what they want to say and not take it so personal!

Allek
15th Apr 2006, 13:35
Thoran6, just sell your copy and have yourself a nice cry. We will try not to make fun of you if you do. :D

Pang_Pang
15th Apr 2006, 13:50
:thumbsup:

Game: Good to see Lara back to form, not the best in the series but still enjoyable. Wish they'd remake 1st Tomb Raider with this graphics engine and release it as a free mod. Cannot wait for sequel/expansion/mods.

Length: Just shy under 15 hours for all secrets/time trials etc and one completion at Medium difficulty, no cheats used anywhere, walkthrough used after first completion for a few of the trickier to find rewards.

Story: Interesting but not a "got to keep playing to see what is next" except when it ends, no wonder some people call this an introductory game.

Graphics: Nvidia GForce 6800GT Ultra they are fantastic especially the panoramics.

Sounds: Plesant and not too distracting.

Grievences:
Camera angle auto sometimes annoying especially where it 180s sometimes after getting up a cliff.
Should remove all extra info/sceens etc for time trial mode or just have an option to turn them all off.
Not enough creatures/people/things to shoot.
Puzzles fairly straight forward maybe some more fiendish ones like time limit based or like Midas.
Time trials need to knock some minutes off allowable time in some, basically if you dont walk off an edge and die they are fairly easy.
Gameplay a bit too linear more freedom to roam would have been nice.

Issues:
My Creative 5.1 Live! sound card really annoying clicking all the time.
Graphics (Recommended beta drivers) infrequently has extreme slowdown. Not common though and reload fixes the graphics issue.

Replayability:
Maybe I will try another time through using some of the revealed cheats and costumes as Amanda, but not yet maybe in a few months. However, once through, then again for secrets, then the time trials; I've played it three times already. Ok once more on hard tomorrow perhaps.

Questions:
Is their any extra after completing it at Tomb Raider difficulty, save satisfaction?

SeanBlader
15th Apr 2006, 21:11
To those of you who played through in under 10 hours, you have my sympathy. It's like having a once in a lifetime chance to star in an Indiana Jones movie and then finishing your filming in one day. You miss out on all the suspense, intrigue, anticipation and excitement of actually being there.

I'm not too far in yet, and I'm having a blast. I was panning the camera around, and realized as I looked past Lara that she wasn't just a few polygons, she was really there, in the scene, observing. I couldn't bring myself to sit and just watch her, it was like I was directing her in a live episode of Tomb Raider and needed to keep her moving.

Wired Magazine had an article about games this last month with guest editor Will Wright, and he said that "someday calling a game cinematic would be an insult" comparable to if you called a movie theatrical, or a play, novelic. In my opinion Core Design seems like they read that quote and made it untrue.

A few seconds later I was looking through the binoculars and it completely reminded me of Angelina in the first Tomb Raider movie, waving at the drop plane and looking over the jungles of Cambodia to the Temple of Angkor Wat. And it felt right.

RAZMAT
16th Apr 2006, 03:50
I don't think that this is a fair assesment, especially since it come from someone with the grammatical and spelling skills of a child...By the way thoran6, the majority would actually disagree with you...

Anyways Eidos and Crystal Dynamics, I thought that this was a great game. Albeit was not as expansive, time-consuming, enigmatic, or revolutionary as some of the previous Tomb Raider games, but this game definitely was far and above the quality of the last Tomb Raider, Angel of Darkness. The graphics also made this game eye candy, and as most people find that graphics can make or break a game almost as much as content this was a definate plus. Furthermore, despite the few flaws, I would like to agree with Goilon that this is one of the best, if not the best, Tomb Raider games to date.:thumbsup:
i think the majority agrees with thoran6.from what iv'e seen.

thoran6
16th Apr 2006, 05:14
thanx raz, there have been way more negative reactions than positives to the game overall...

LuxAngel
16th Apr 2006, 07:11
God what is wrong with you?!? You are shooting MISSIONARIES?!? Those poor good Christians trying to lend their fellow man a hand...What did they ever do to you? Shooting mercenaries on the other hand, that is a big part of this game...
Bwahahahaha, I say!! http://larashots.com/images/emote/laralaughing.gif
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followed by this answer when someone corrects the appaling grammar in this post...

BEEEEP, CONTRADICTION ALERT, CONTRADICTION ALERT, DOES NOT COMPUTE.. DOES NOT COMPUTE

...Well. I suppose thoran6 was feeling jumped on, as someone commented first about his/her grammar. Even adults grow defensive when someone pokes fun at us, and we play the insulting game right back from time to time. It's not mature. But it's human.
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To those of you who played through in under 10 hours, you have my sympathy. It's like having a once in a lifetime chance to star in an Indiana Jones movie and then finishing your filming in one day. You miss out on all the suspense, intrigue, anticipation and excitement of actually being there.

I'm not too far in yet, and I'm having a blast. I was panning the camera around, and realized as I looked past Lara that she wasn't just a few polygons, she was really there, in the scene, observing. I couldn't bring myself to sit and just watch her, it was like I was directing her in a live episode of Tomb Raider and needed to keep her moving.

A few seconds later I was looking through the binoculars and it completely reminded me of Angelina in the first Tomb Raider movie, waving at the drop plane and looking over the jungles of Cambodia to the Temple of Angkor Wat. And it felt right.
Wow. You described exactly how I've been playing it -- and my exact sentiments. I couldn't have said it better! :cool: I am taking my time with this game; I'm doing the sceneric thing, being a bonafide tourist: screenshotting everything to death, using Fraps for video shoots. LOL

And I wouldn't have it any other way. I waited 3 years for this game; I won't die if I don't finish it in a few days. I'd prefer to soak this in. It's so very beautiful.


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sheighton
16th Apr 2006, 15:36
thanx raz, there have been way more negative reactions than positives to the game overall...

Possibly but considering that there have been negative reactions to pretty much every Tomb Raider since TR2 and that there have been less negative reactions to TRL than AOD, I would say that the people who are reacting negatively are just children trying to nit-pick at the minor flaws in this game, a game that has improved by leaps and bounds compared to AOD...

Joshorty
16th Apr 2006, 16:37
Yeah it started from the point of Tomb Raider II, since Toby Gard left from there...the story element...went down just a tad-bit and the game was still fun:) More action oriented and slightly urbanized enviroments yet had the balance of the tombs.

*say I just happened to tried to "corner bug" on Tomb Raider II!!!:eek: It's amazing!! After all these years, now I'm able to go on top of the house!! (actually...only the side borders and that's pretty much it:( I can't go above the roof...anyone knows how? Tomb Raider III worked though:D )

sup2069
16th Apr 2006, 18:21
I don't think that this is a fair assesment, especially since it come from someone with the grammatical and spelling skills of a child...By the way thoran6, the majority would actually disagree with you...



Wrong...I agree with thoran. I felt like CD was holding my hand during the game the entire damn time.

Kinda shows how immature you are to pick on someone's spelling and grammar. Did you ever think English could be his second language?

carlitoo
16th Apr 2006, 18:25
You're right, this is not an English grammar forum.
Nevertheless, being 40 years old, you should know that people judge you (and your credibility) based on the quality of your writing.
You don't have to be Shakespeare, but not capitalizing your I's and using 'u' instead of spelling out 'you' just makes you look stupid and draws attention away from your argument.
If you want to be viewed as an intelligent adult, you should try to communicate like one.

Another problem with your post is your condescending tone

Lol!!! The irony of that!!

Zeeblade
16th Apr 2006, 20:32
LOL where to start. Sure lets just have a forum of only positive and BAN the rest . Why do people feel the need to lower them selfs by childish behavior? Calling them names and such anyway. Ok I've played them all and to say this is the best one ever? The puzzles in TR are what make the game not the graphics. This was the easyest TR I have ever played and on hard. My 15y finished it in just under 8h and never got stuck once and was play on hard ..truth. RIght there that says it all. Even tho I HATED play the others because I ALWAYS got stuck lol I just HAD to get passed that problem. Yet with this one I couldnt miss the puzzle, no surprises nothing. The only time I ever died was when trying to jump and the camera out of no where turned and I jumped the wrong way, or on the bike and hit the wall to fast. Oh yeah have you EVER seen a bike move back and forth that fast on real dirt? Look like I was on ice lol ... Did you know you can be a diehard fan and HATE this one? OK did I like it you bet. Would I have bought it if I new it was like this NO. Eidos/CD are very smart people. I am sure they know how to weed through all of the good and bad comments. They need to here the good and the bad to make the next one better.. or we hope.

sheighton
17th Apr 2006, 16:23
Wrong...I agree with thoran. I felt like CD was holding my hand during the game the entire damn time.

Kinda shows how immature you are to pick on someone's spelling and grammar. Did you ever think English could be his second language?

Lets just put it this way...If you look at the poll threads here on these forums you will see the majority like or love this game. The game has gotten great reviews, by the way (just in case you hadn't heard)...And quite frankly I could care less if English is someone's, though not thoran's, second language. They can at least type it up in Word and get pretty darn close with the spelling and grammar. In all actuality, someone who does not take the time or show the courtesy to use proper grammar and correct spelling should be considered as just what that implies, a pathetically lazy ignoramous who should never be listened to for fear of their infectuous idiocy spreading like a plague through a population.

thoran6
17th Apr 2006, 16:59
Lets just put it this way...If you look at the poll threads here on these forums you will see the majority like or love this game. The game has gotten great reviews, by the way (just in case you hadn't heard)...And quite frankly I could care less if English is someone's, though not thoran's, second language. They can at least type it up in Word and get pretty darn close with the spelling and grammar. In all actuality, someone who does not take the time or show the courtesy to use proper grammar and correct spelling should be considered as just what that implies, a pathetically lazy ignoramous who should never be listened to for fear of their infectuous idiocy spreading like a plague through a population.

Or it couldn't possibly be from a guy who runs a nationwide market research company, and has 2 phones to his ear, and clients from Kraft and Nike wanting to book our services. No I don't see how that could be at all.. Sorry if I don't take time to put in everything perfect, but I am at work and only get a few chances each day to post, so I am typing pretty fast before the phone rings or one of my employees needs something.

TRL is great for beginners, but ain't so great for TR veterans. Yea I know ain't ain't a word, but I am from the south, it is a word there..

Straw Dog
17th Apr 2006, 17:04
In all actuality, someone who does not take the time or show the courtesy to use proper grammar and correct spelling should be considered as just what that implies, a pathetically lazy ignoramous who should never be listened to for fear of their infectuous idiocy spreading like a plague through a population.

Whilst I no longer wish to partake of this particular ruckuss and don't neccessarily agree with Sheighton, that post deserves a big fat LOL!, funny as f***.

Straw Dog
17th Apr 2006, 17:06
Or it couldn't possibly be from a guy who runs a nationwide market research company, and has 2 phones to his ear, and clients from Kraft and Nike wanting to book our services.

Now THATS multi-tasking. Thoran, you'll make a wonderful mother one day! ;)

thoran6
17th Apr 2006, 17:13
Now THATS multi-tasking. Thoran, you'll make a wonderful mother one day! ;)

Yes and with the $75,000 dollars a year I get for that multi-tasking, my mothering skills can get them great stuff...

MMX1031
17th Apr 2006, 22:28
Wow you must have not been playing TRL then...I mean how could you have?


1. If you miss a jump or a ledge in the game a take a big fall you die just like in any other Tomb Raider game.
2. Carrying a half dozen weapons in any Tomb Raider game is extremely unrealistic and I appluade the developers for adding some realism by making it so you coul only carry one other weapon.
3. Health packs are unrealistic anyways so why are you complaining? In my opinion there really should be no health packs, I mean a person can only take so many hits in real life...But because it is a game I will conceed the need for them and I think that it was very well done in TRL.
4. Tomb Raider Legends has the best cut scenes so far.
5. You get to kill animals, people, and monsters in this one just like in any other Tomb Raider, there is just less variety.
6. You cannot type anything except enigmatic garbage, as you absolutely butcher the grammar of the English language when you type. Therefore I conclude that you are a fool, and the fact that you would choose AOD over TRL confirms this. AOD had a complete set of assinine controls for the computer, at least TRL used a standard shooter configuration with seamless movement.

Given this game has less content and length than previous Tomb Raider games, but that is its only flaw, and I personally believe that the rest of the game is so well done that it more than makes up for it...

People like you really piss me off! the whole thrill in a TR game is derived from the unrealistic quality of the game!

laraflames
17th Apr 2006, 22:35
and no body cares if they piss u off everyone can speak what they want to speak u hate it we like it u cant change our minds just because u say that we piss u off just because u dont like it doesnt mean the whole world or lara fans shouldnt like it...