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Gelatinous Cube
14th Apr 2005, 07:05
I really, really, REALLY enjoyed the demo. In fact, the desert battle was more fun than any battle i've had out of Rome - Total War, simply because the enemy was a challenge. Clearly there are some things that would throw off a history buff, but the amount of slander against this game i've seen here and elsewhere is..sickening, considering the quality of the demo (In my opinion). The battle was a bit frantic (a pause feature, to issue commands, and perhaps the ability to set a unit to "escort" the artillery, and protect it, without having to micromanage it, would be nice), and the demo as a whole could use some overall polish, but I very much look forward to the game. Especially with the promise of a complex and rich strategic side to the game--something the Total War series lacks.

Sveland
14th Apr 2005, 07:27
You are in the minority, read all of d3v's posts and you'll realize how bad it really is.

Sorry to be cruel, but after waiting since the movie The Patriot came out I've always wanted a game based in the late 18th and early 19th centuries... There's so many aspects to this game thats completely unrealistic and completely retarded such as the fact that you cannot even order your men to stand ground and in addition that the WHOLE DAMN regiment must face the enemy in order to fire... Completely absurd.

Villaret-Joyeuse
14th Apr 2005, 12:36
Sveland - Sorry, but 60 men does not equal a regiment. The demo (and possibly the game) is set up with the company as the main unit. It changed throughout the war, but 8 companys made up a battalion and then, 3-4 battalions made up a regiment. Regiments had around 2500-3000 troops. Not to be picky of word choice but there is a big difference between 60 and 3000. :)

Mike_B
14th Apr 2005, 14:14
You are in the minority, read all of d3v's posts and you'll realize how bad it really is.

There are for more better examples than having to point out the thoughts of one idiot. The best view of what others think can be found in the demo feedback thread.

mob
14th Apr 2005, 15:02
[QUOTE=Gelatinous Cube]I really, really, REALLY enjoyed the demo. In fact, the desert battle was more fun than any battle i've had out of Rome - Total War, simply because the enemy was a challenge.QUOTE]


i know at least 30 people who are a challenge to me and most are gone you play ai no doubt lol i laugh at you sir

Gelatinous Cube
14th Apr 2005, 17:15
[QUOTE=Gelatinous Cube]I really, really, REALLY enjoyed the demo. In fact, the desert battle was more fun than any battle i've had out of Rome - Total War, simply because the enemy was a challenge.QUOTE]


i know at least 30 people who are a challenge to me and most are gone you play ai no doubt lol i laugh at you sir

I happen to buy these games for the single-player.

Gonzodave
14th Apr 2005, 17:22
i know at least 30 people who are a challenge to me and most are gone you play ai no doubt lol i laugh at you sir

Yawn, another Blizzard fan who thinks micromanagement=strategy. Tell me when you're ready for me to kick your arse in a game of Combat Mission.

Sveland
14th Apr 2005, 18:29
Sveland - Sorry, but 60 men does not equal a regiment.

my bad, but you're still missing my point, the entire "unit" has to rotate in order to fire! its stupid!

Tenjo_Kalle
14th Apr 2005, 18:36
Yawn, another Blizzard fan who thinks micromanagement=strategy. Tell me when you're ready for me to kick your arse in a game of Combat Mission.

Totalwar games are not like blizzardgames Gonzo. My hope is that this will be nothing like the Blizzard games but more a totalwar style game and you cant compare totalwar and hopefully not imperial glory to blizzard games.

(not critzising blizzard they make great games but of a totally diffrent kind)

Kalle

Villaret-Joyeuse
14th Apr 2005, 20:03
Do not get me wrong, Sveland. I agree with you 125% that the rotating unit is a MAJOR problem. :)

Just wanted to point out partly an even greater problem, where the battles have you controlling at the small company level, rather than the more important regiment or division level.


The best way to handle it would be.

1 - Major battles - control at the divisional/corps level. Below this level, the units are controled by an AI that is equal to the skill of the commander.

2 - Medium battles - control at the regimental level. Similarly, smaller units like battalions and companys are controled by an AI based on their commander's skill.

3 - Minor skirmishes - control at the company or battallion level.

HellAngel_666
14th Apr 2005, 20:58
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but.

yes you are. this game was saved by being postponed. no strategic part what so ever. all that demo was showing was another click fest game.... man i hope tehre putting in our ideas!

Gonzodave
14th Apr 2005, 21:09
you cant compare totalwar and hopefully not imperial glory to blizzard games.

No, but I can compare someone who thinks not using pause makes him the 2nd coming of Sun Tzu with the retarded micromanagement obsessed fanboys who lap up everything Blizzard comes out with. Have you read his posts?

Sveland
15th Apr 2005, 00:03
1 - Major battles - control at the divisional/corps level. Below this level, the units are controled by an AI that is equal to the skill of the commander.

2 - Medium battles - control at the regimental level. Similarly, smaller units like battalions and companys are controled by an AI based on their commander's skill.

3 - Minor skirmishes - control at the company or battallion level.


that would be quite interesting to see how battles work out implamenting this system, but I dont agree on you with the part regarding the skill of the AI depending on its General or whatever, it really should be on that one perticular unit's experience and such to make it a bit more realistic...

Nevertheless there will always be people who would complain about this, so maybe it should be an optional thing when going into battle?

Tell me your thoughts

Villaret-Joyeuse
15th Apr 2005, 03:55
I totally agree, Sveland. In my rush to make my general point "AI control at a certain level", I left out unit experience, that should definitely be included.

EVEN if you make make the regiment the basic unit, you are looking at having massive number of units. The French had around 90 regiments at Austerlitz........

sdrga
15th Apr 2005, 15:38
You know? I've only posted a few posts to this forum, I'm kiind of watching to see things are, but I'm amazed at the amount of personal swipes and flaming here. I don't know if it's a reflection of an average age of about 13, but judging from the posts, that's what it looks like. How do you ever expect a community to develop here with true give and take when you are constantly taking aim at each other?

For those of us that are veterans of many forums on many different games, the fact that you can actually come online and say things that you'd never have the nerve to say face to face really gets to be very tiring and very, very boring. It's pretty obvious that if you take a poster who constantly resorts to name-calling, sarcasm, and insults, you can pretty much guarantee that you've got a little immature coward sitting behind his pc, typing out flames because he never gets to do that face to face: he'd be scared to death to do it, and probably rightly so.

So go ahead and flame me for being a preacher or self-righteous or what ever you want to say. All I know is that I'm enough of a man to be courteous online just like I would be in public. Why don't some of you flamers quit worrying about the size of your pee-pee and start acting like men instead of little boys? You show your true mettle so transparently that it would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

Sveland
15th Apr 2005, 18:25
You know? I've only posted a few posts to this forum, I'm kiind of watching to see things are, but I'm amazed at the amount of personal swipes and flaming here. I don't know if it's a reflection of an average age of about 13, but judging from the posts, that's what it looks like. How do you ever expect a community to develop here with true give and take when you are constantly taking aim at each other?

For those of us that are veterans of many forums on many different games, the fact that you can actually come online and say things that you'd never have the nerve to say face to face really gets to be very tiring and very, very boring. It's pretty obvious that if you take a poster who constantly resorts to name-calling, sarcasm, and insults, you can pretty much guarantee that you've got a little immature coward sitting behind his pc, typing out flames because he never gets to do that face to face: he'd be scared to death to do it, and probably rightly so.

So go ahead and flame me for being a preacher or self-righteous or what ever you want to say. All I know is that I'm enough of a man to be courteous online just like I would be in public. Why don't some of you flamers quit worrying about the size of your pee-pee and start acting like men instead of little boys? You show your true mettle so transparently that it would be laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

......who's cue is it? :D

BANANAMAN
15th Apr 2005, 19:26
Hey dude (sdrga), that's not true, just go to www.wargamer.com their forum and if those pc game 'veterans' in their midlife-crisis don't like your post there they ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK you at all means possible on your subject and on you. So, take a deep breath and relax man and enjoy the forum inhere just as it is is my advice. :cool:

Irish2
15th Apr 2005, 19:37
I personally think this game will be very good and if not, it looks like it can be modded into a decent experience. My main hope is that the AI is good, especially on the strategic level. The map of Europe looks very good. I hope the AI in battles will be good too. We were only playing on Medium level so I hope the Hard level is really hard.

I am suprised to see all the bashing, the demo itself was acceptable. I am sure the squares can be modded to look like real squares and I am sure that those can be modded.

About the guys fighting to the death, yeah that would be unrealistic, BUT did anyone see the retreat feature at the top of the screen by the flag. Maybe you should manually pull your men back out of the fray and hit retreat hif you are getting slaughtered.

I have much more faith in this game seeing how modable it appears to be.

french_crash
15th Apr 2005, 19:46
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About the guys fighting to the death, yeah that would be unrealistic, BUT did anyone see the retreat feature at the top of the screen by the flag. Maybe you should manually pull your men back out of the fray and hit retreat hif you are getting slaughtered...



it's the retreat of all units. if you click here the battle is over, not just for a specific unit ...unfortunately :(

sdrga
16th Apr 2005, 18:29
I personally think this game will be very good and if not, it looks like it can be modded into a decent experience. My main hope is that the AI is good, especially on the strategic level. The map of Europe looks very good. I hope the AI in battles will be good too. We were only playing on Medium level so I hope the Hard level is really hard.

I have much more faith in this game seeing how modable it appears to be.

I agree, Irish2. I've just given it one go, but I saw AI behavior that looked better in some respects than RTW, which most of us are going to invariably compare it to. I had an artillery battery sitting and pounding one of the farmhouses in the easy battle. I was glad to see some infantry rush them from the side and disarm them. That's exactly what you'd expect.

I still don't quite get all the troops (and artillery, I think) marching into the creek. I can see cavalry doing that, but artillery batteries? Maybe I was mistaken about the artillery.

sdrga
16th Apr 2005, 18:43
Hey dude (sdrga), that's not true, just go to www.wargamer.com their forum and if those pc game 'veterans' in their midlife-crisis don't like your post there they ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK you at all means possible on your subject and on you. So, take a deep breath and relax man and enjoy the forum inhere just as it is is my advice. :cool:

Point well taken, Bananaman. I know the maturity level over at the .com forums was pretty bad, especially in the run up to the release. I'm friends with one of their moderators and we used to talk about it a lot. It just distracts from useful content.

I've been into gaming for 25 years, and you're right, I'm an old guy, but having been involved in this hobby all that time, since I was 20 or so, I'm used to being on forums with people mostly younger by far. I'm not saying it's age: I've seen 11 year olds be mature and old men be petty. And I don't mean to "talk down." I despised that when I was younger. But look: you've only got so much time in the day. Would you rather talk about the game or talk about each other? And, if it's the latter, I'll stand by what I said above and suggest you take it out on the street: see how well it works for you there. Talk that way to the people you meet eye-to-eye. Much better, I'd suggest, is to just get along and focus on what looks to be a really good game.

BANANAMAN
16th Apr 2005, 18:50
Hey man, this IS how I talk in real life. :D :rolleyes:

sdrga
16th Apr 2005, 19:40
Hey man, this IS how I talk in real life. :D :rolleyes:

No comment. :D :D