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The Resident
16th Dec 2004, 02:59
I know i know, please dont kill me, i PROMISE not to use them until i beat it as any nation once, but will there be? I would find it fun for an unlimited resources or units cost none or invulnerable army cheat.


Heres a list of what i would do

unlimited resources: Basically it's units costing nothing, but i would build an epic ammount of troops and conquer the world.

Units cost 0- basically the same

invulnerable army-
I would make one cannon and have it go against everyone!

Willmore
16th Dec 2004, 03:34
Artmoney

The Resident
16th Dec 2004, 04:54
what?

Willmore
17th Dec 2004, 01:30
google it.

sick
17th Dec 2004, 21:19
Lazy git.:p

Cheats or no cheats, I'm sure there will be trainers for this game.

Kai-Arne
18th Dec 2004, 11:46
If I HATE something It is:

A. Communism
B. Cheats!

Arctic_Wolf
18th Dec 2004, 13:28
Whats wrong with communism?

Kai-Arne
18th Dec 2004, 15:57
Originally posted by Arctic_Wolf
Whats wrong with communism?

Do you mean that question serious?

The_Russian_Rocket
18th Dec 2004, 20:56
Ya, What is wrong with it?

Arctic_Wolf
18th Dec 2004, 23:01
Communism is a near utopian view on how nations should be governed. In a way everyone is equal and everything is shared, you don't own the field, everyone does and everyone works for the benefit of everyone, instead of in capitalism where everyone works for themselves.

Communism was not Russia, it was not China, there has never been a real communism on this planet and there probably never will be. I recommend you read a book called Animal Farm, by George Orwell. It's not very long so you could finnish it in an afternoon. And even if you don't want to know more about communism, I'd recommend it anyway.

The_Russian_Rocket
18th Dec 2004, 23:11
If you don't like communism don't buy anything made in China!

Willmore
21st Dec 2004, 04:30
That's like saying: "Don't smoke cuban cigars if you don't like communism."


I doubt any smoker will refuse a cuban cigar if offered one.

haradrim
21st Dec 2004, 17:12
I recomend that book as well. My opinion(and it is not only mine) that communism will not work is simple. imagine if you could never get rich. Imagine no matter how hard you worked you never got any wealthier than the lazy bum next door. What would your insentive to work hard be. Pretty soon everyone is like you bum neighbor and society begins to deteriorate. Soon a huge famine destroys everyone while the nation's leaders live in appaling luxury. The End.

maybe i exagerated a little but you get the point;).

BlackCoat
21st Dec 2004, 18:49
Originally posted by haradrim
I recomend that book as well. My opinion(and it is not only mine) that communism will not work is simple. imagine if you could never get rich. Imagine no matter how hard you worked you never got any wealthier than the lazy bum next door. What would your insentive to work hard be. Pretty soon everyone is like you bum neighbor and society begins to deteriorate. Soon a huge famine destroys everyone while the nation's leaders live in appaling luxury. The End.

maybe i exagerated a little but you get the point;).

Which is why stalin made it a crime to be:
late for work, taking brakes, or not working..

punishment being death

In conjuction with taylorism that works beautifully. Everyone standing at their spot machanically repating the same job 12 hours a day. Be lazy and die... or in the minimum, severe beating.

Soon enough fear alone will keep them working and producing. And standardisation should enforce quality. However everyone can forget innovativeness in a system like that :D

haradrim
21st Dec 2004, 22:11
ahh a workers paradise:rolleyes:

BlackCoat
21st Dec 2004, 23:34
Originally posted by haradrim
ahh a workers paradise:rolleyes:

Ofcourse!

Freedom is slavery, up is down and war is peace :D
Whats really freaky, is that EU is reinvening the fine traditions of that dear workers paradise.. "freest in the world" HAH! Stalin said the same 1936.. and the constitutions dont differ much.

and since im so extradoubleplus ungood, ministry of love will soon come to give me love ;)

CaptTermiteUSN
30th Dec 2004, 00:01
Cheats cheapen every single game that uses them. The fact that a programmer would waste his supposedly "valueable time" building in a cheat should tell you that A) he doesnt think his game is worthy of honest play and B) he thinks his clientile have a bedtime before 9 or 10 PM.

I salute Artic Wolf's response in that this thread reminded us painfully of the obscene waste of human life and freedom associated with Communism, Socialism and other totalitarian governments. Cuban Cigars dont taste better because they are made buy poor ignorant slaves. If Cuba was a democracy they would probably be producing more cigars at better prices. They'd also be kicking in relief money to the Indian Ocean tsunami victims because they understand how an island can be devastated by bad weather.

Capt Term
Chesapeake Bay

Willmore
30th Dec 2004, 02:10
Bravo, CaptTermiteUSN, I have now been graced by the presence of the most ignorant person on the face of the earth, I salute you.

Arctic_Wolf
30th Dec 2004, 03:35
Originally posted by CaptTermiteUSN
Cheats cheapen every single game that uses them. The fact that a programmer would waste his supposedly "valueable time" building in a cheat should tell you that A) he doesnt think his game is worthy of honest play and B) he thinks his clientile have a bedtime before 9 or 10 PM.

I don't think so. Aslong as you have already completed the game 'honestly', using cheats adds an extra layer of (re)playability, in a realtime strategy game it can be quite satisfying to turn on infinate money and have a good stomp around. And if someone refuses to buy a game because it has cheats in, then they are a moron, if you really hate cheats just don't use them and let the people who want to use them get on with it.


Originally posted by CaptTermiteUSN
I salute Artic Wolf's response in that this thread reminded us painfully of the obscene waste of human life and freedom associated with Communism, Socialism and other totalitarian governments.

Communism and Socialism are not totalitarian governments, as I said Communism is a utopia but owing to human nature will not work. Socialism is sort of like a compromise, while as in capitalism people work for themselves there is a sort of welfare state that tries to make sure that everyone has the chance, not just the already rich and influential, and those can't are looked after. Socialism and Communism are not totalinarianism, however they are often used as excuses for totalitarian regimes.


Originally posted by CaptTermiteUSN
Cuban Cigars dont taste better because they are made buy poor ignorant slaves. If Cuba was a democracy they would probably be producing more cigars at better prices. They'd also be kicking in relief money to the Indian Ocean tsunami victims because they understand how an island can be devastated by bad weather.

Why do people think democracy is the opposite of communism? Democracy is really just a way to pick a government. Communism is a way to govern, the opposite of Communism is Capitalism. The USA is Centre-Right Wing Demi-Democratic Capitalism is it not? If it suddenly became truely communist it would be an Extreme Left Wing Demi-Democratic Communism. The electoral colleges would still elect the president, that wouldn't need to change.


Originally posted by CaptTermiteUSN
If Cuba was a democracy they would probably be producing more cigars at better prices. They'd also be kicking in relief money to the Indian Ocean tsunami victims because they understand how an island can be devastated by bad weather.

The industrial power of cuba would not change if cuba became properly democratic, that would depend on who they elected. If they elected Fidel Castro, everything would stay the same, if they elected an industrialist then factory owners would become richer, whether or not the workers would is another argument. If they elected an enviromentalist the factories would likely close. If they elected a socialist, they might get better health care and higher taxes, who knows.

And if cuba aren't sending aid to foreign countries thousands of miles away being hit by storms, maybe its because they still have their own problems to deal with.

CaptTermiteUSN
30th Dec 2004, 12:55
Wolf,
Since I am now considered by that Willmore above to be so ignorant can you clarify something? Do you actually think that Cuba's problems are someone's fault other than their own oppressive government? Who do you blame? The boogey man?
Some cosmic campaign player with bad dice? Please tell us more.

t

Willmore
31st Dec 2004, 06:52
You're living in a fantasy on the assumption that a capitalistic republic is the ideal government.

There is no ideal government, live with it, and your judgemental attitude is the example of why Americans account for so many wars. Oh, where, where are the good old days of American isolationism and industrial mediocrity ?


edit:

I forgot to mention the oh so familiar totalitarian prison system currently in it's test stage at Guantanamo. Also, Cuba has a far better health and education system than America could every dream of. Those 300$ doctor appointments sure add up to something. You figure out what exactly. And speaking of aid, Cuba has been actively helpful to third-world countries in development and education advancements.

CaptTermiteUSN
31st Dec 2004, 08:13
I guess thats why hundreds of Cuban every month of the year try to escape to Florida. They come in boats so overloaded that they swamp when the slightest sea gets up or they crowd the upper decks so that the boat rolls over. They are so desperate to get out of that country and be here in America that they even risk the crossing on rafts and inner tubes. Ive seen a boat load of them coming in near Fort Lauderdale with a Coast Guard Cutter chasing them, they tried to jump out and get on the beach because they know the CG cant send them back then. It would have been comical if it wasnt such a pathetic example of how wretched and poor those people are. Now you tell me why they want to be here if their own country is in such fine shape.

t

BlackCoat
31st Dec 2004, 12:45
Originally posted by CaptTermiteUSN
I guess thats why hundreds of Cuban every month of the year try to escape to Florida. They come in boats so overloaded that they swamp when the slightest sea gets up or they crowd the upper decks so that the boat rolls over. They are so desperate to get out of that country and be here in America that they even risk the crossing on rafts and inner tubes. Ive seen a boat load of them coming in near Fort Lauderdale with a Coast Guard Cutter chasing them, they tried to jump out and get on the beach because they know the CG cant send them back then. It would have been comical if it wasnt such a pathetic example of how wretched and poor those people are. Now you tell me why they want to be here if their own country is in such fine shape.

t

But neither is it as much better as they imagine ;)

Arctic_Wolf
31st Dec 2004, 13:54
Originally posted by CaptTermiteUSN
Wolf,
Since I am now considered by that Willmore above to be so ignorant can you clarify something? Do you actually think that Cuba's problems are someone's fault other than their own oppressive government? Who do you blame? The boogey man?
Some cosmic campaign player with bad dice? Please tell us more.
t

Wow, you really must be ignorant, or word blind.


Originally posted by Arctic_Wolf
The industrial power of cuba would not change if cuba became properly democratic, that would depend on who they elected. If they elected Fidel Castro, everything would stay the same, if they elected an industrialist then factory owners would become richer, whether or not the workers would is another argument. If they elected an enviromentalist the factories would likely close. If they elected a socialist, they might get better health care and higher taxes, who knows.

Now, where in that paragraph did I state that cuba's problems were the fault of someone other than the government. Oh that's right, no where!

Learn to read what people have written, not what your mind says they've written.

CaptTermiteUSN
31st Dec 2004, 14:26
iM so stupid i dont have to read what you actually say. when you inject hatred, hostility and anger into a conversation you negate any good or intelligent thing that you might have to say.

as far as im concerned this conversation is OVER, it is off topic.

Arctic_Wolf
2nd Jan 2005, 01:15
Originally posted by CaptTermiteUSN
iM so stupid i dont have to read what you actually say. when you inject hatred, hostility and anger into a conversation you negate any good or intelligent thing that you might have to say.

If that is your belief then why do you keep saying things?

I may have a good part of the blame for taking this thread off topic, but that did not stop you from taking part in the new direction, and it is you sir, who injected it with hatred, hostility, anger and especially ignorance. This discussion was mostly quite pleasant until you implied that people who used cheats were immature. And even then I and everone but willmore was still being quite polite, perhaps we shouldn't of, it wasn't until you decided to make up what I'd said rather than actually reading it that I also took a dislike.


as far as im concerned this conversation is OVER

Ha, that's like napoleon ignoring Waterloo.