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Baron Blixen
16th Oct 2004, 22:21
Just noticed that in the hi-res video while the ships duke it out, they're flags are blowing in the opposite direction. Its a common artistical oops but noteworthy, none the less. The sails are completely unfurled and full of wind while the flags still flutter brilliantly in the other direction.

The_Russian_Rocket
17th Oct 2004, 13:03
I see that now Baron!

WilliamBushUSN
29th Oct 2004, 18:58
Colors should be coming from the stern of the ship. I see on the snapshots that the colors are flying from the bow, and each of the masts as well as the stern. This is historically incorrect.

Regards,

Bush

Capt. Hatter USN
30th Oct 2004, 04:18
Disasterously inaccurate, the bowsprit was no place for a flag like that! Man alive!

CaptTermiteUSN
31st Oct 2004, 22:50
Primary hoist of a ships colors should be from the mizzen mast, aft at the taff rail, or from the peak of the driver. Other battle colors could be flown from the main or fore masts during an engagement, but not out on the bowsprit where it could easily be shot away or lost in a collision.

Hope this game will have US flags as well as other nations.

term

WilliamBushUSN
1st Nov 2004, 05:01
http://users.sisna.com/justinb/admflgs.html

Please see the link above for the proper flying of colors and pennants. These specifically deal with the RN, but other navies had similar types of rules.

Bush

Arctic_Wolf
2nd Nov 2004, 00:36
I doubt it would have US flags, the game is set in europe and as far as I know colonies occur off map.

CaptTermiteUSN
2nd Nov 2004, 01:05
The US Navy should be able to sail in hypothetical situations in the game as they were a formidable force during the Napoleonic Wars. Also the US was not a colony, we were a country at that point. Having US ships would allow us to create battles of the War of 1812 as well which we are very interested.

A patch for appropriate flags shouldnt be that difficult to russle up.

Term

Willmore
2nd Nov 2004, 02:15
Originally posted by CaptTermiteUSN
The US Navy should be able to sail in hypothetical situations in the game as they were a formidable force during the Napoleonic Wars. Also the US was not a colony, we were a country at that point. Having US ships would allow us to create battles of the War of 1812 as well which we are very interested.

A patch for appropriate flags shouldnt be that difficult to russle up.

Term

Since USA will not even be on the playing map ... I'd find it hard to believe that USN ships will be present.

Capt. Hatter USN
2nd Nov 2004, 05:37
Why does the developer video speak of Louisana fighting for it's independence?

The US naval presence was mainly in the Med. The Babry Wars were fought during the early 1800s to protect US trade interests and citizens in the region. North Africa is included in the game. It would be fun to see a Heavy US Frigate duke it out with a British Ship of the Line for instance.

Generally, speaking those flags do need fixing, they jar badly in watching the naval video clip. In addition, british war ship flew an ensign at the rear, not the Union Flag. Furthermore, the Union Flag had the red diagonal cross of St. Patrick added after 1801. Earlier union flags tended to be square, rather than rectangular.

It is nice to get these little points right.

Capt. Hatter USN.

CaptTermiteUSN
2nd Nov 2004, 15:35
US territory does not have to be added to the IG game for USN Ships to be used hypothetically in engagements at sea. We have the 200th aniversary of the War of 1812 coming up in a few years, and we had thought that a game of this scope and period might be expanded to include it. From 1799 on, USN ships were a force to be reconned with even though we never put large SOLs to sea. The size and power of our frigates and the availability of the best building materials in the world at that time (European forests were largely exhausted) allowed us to build what we needed.

The addition of flags for other countries to be used on ships would allow for many interesting hypothetical situations with out compromising the accuracy of a historical rendering of the end of the Napoleonic Wars.

t