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aquinasproject
22nd Nov 2003, 10:01
I have a geforce 4 mx. Crap didnt relalize until today it won't work.

Please recommend me a good reasonably priced card that will not only play this game but will support the upcomming ones and Direct x 9 features.


I would appreciate a DEV team recommend as well.

Pooeypants
22nd Nov 2003, 19:14
Firstly, I've got a Radeon 9600Pro and even that struggles to run the game at low details.
Secondly, you don't require a dx9 compliant card to run the game dx8 is sufficient.

Now if you're a regular online buyer I'd recommend you go for a Geforce 4 ti4200, they should be priced at around 100 US dollars now. Next card to look for then is the Radeon 9100, not the 9000 or the 9200, but the 9100. And failing that, and this is completely last resort but if you must, buy the Geforce FX5200, try to make you're getting one with a 128bit memory, not 128MB memory, but the bandwidth as 128bit, the 64bit version has half performance of former.
Hope that helps.

Huntress
22nd Nov 2003, 20:32
System Requirements

The minimum system requirements are as follows:

COMPUTER: IBM PC or 100% compatible
OPERATING SYSTEM: Microsoft™ Windows 98SE/2000/XP (95/NT not supported)
CPU: Intel Pentium® 4 1.3 GHz (or AMD Athlon ™ equivalent)
RAM: 256Mb
GRAPHICS: 100% DirectX 9.0 compatible 32 MB * (see below for support cards)
SOUND: Windows 98SE/2000/XP compatible Sound card (100% DirectX 9.x compatible)
CD-ROM: Quad-speed (4x) CD-ROM drive
HARD DRIVE: 2GB free disk space
INPUT DEVICES: 100% Windows 98SE/2000/XP mouse and keyboard


The recommended system requirements are as follows:

CPU: Intel Pentium® 4 1.5Ghz (or AMD Athlon™ equivalent)
RAM: 512 MB
GRAPHICS: 100% DirectX® 9.0 compatible 3D Card w/ 64 MB
SOUND: Windows 98SE/2000/XP compatible Sound card (100% DirectX® 9.x compatible)
CD-ROM: Eight-speed (8x) CD-ROM drive or faster.
HARD DRIVE: 2GB free disk space

* Supported Chipsets – nVidia GeForce 3Ti/4Ti/Fx (MX series not supported). Radeon 8500/9XXX or higher. (Pixel/Vertex shader required)

I'm sorry to disagree with Pooeypants...but you do need a card with at least 64MB's DDR memory or best at 128MB's as per the specs. 32bit is for the color depth...don't quite understand his 64/128bit thing? However, if you can find an ATI Radeon 9600XT still, it would be around your price range or slightly more but worth the little extra cost for more longevity and would require you install the DX9 version from MS, other cards (and would only require the DX8.1 drivers, the game is compliant with those drivers...only cards that require DX9 drivers need to use the DX9 software to play, per Grey Mouser :)

Myself, I have ATI's Radeon 8500LE 128MB card which will support the game but I bought it a few months ago and don't want to spend more money right now for another. If I could I would buy the above card myself :) I'm still shopping though :D
For on-line buying/searching I recommend www.pricewatch.com to see what's available...just watch for vendor's posting dates to see what's current :) I have done much through their sources and have always been 100% pleased with my purchases from various vendors over several years. I can also recommend ATI's support services if needed :) Ta and Good Hunting!

aquinasproject
24th Nov 2003, 18:12
Thanks for the help.

I dont want to buy Nvidia because I was sold a crapy geforce 4 MX card. I was thinking of the "Tyan 9600 pro".

But I am conserned that it.doesnt run well at high resolution.

KingRat
24th Nov 2003, 18:23
"I'm sorry to disagree with Pooeypants...but you do need a card with at least 64MB's DDR memory or best at 128MB's as per the specs. 32bit is for the color depth...don't quite understand his 64/128bit thing?"

In this instance PP is correct as he is referring to the memory interface, ie my R9700 is 256bit while a FX5800 was 128 (that's why NV released the 256bit FX5900 so quick). There are plenty of 64bit cards floating around including some 9600's.....check out the specs & go with 128 & up:)

Pooeypants
24th Nov 2003, 18:40
Originally posted by Huntress
System Requirements

The minimum system requirements are as follows:

COMPUTER: IBM PC or 100% compatible
OPERATING SYSTEM: Microsoft™ Windows 98SE/2000/XP (95/NT not supported)
CPU: Intel Pentium® 4 1.3 GHz (or AMD Athlon ™ equivalent)
RAM: 256Mb
GRAPHICS: 100% DirectX 9.0 compatible 32 MB * (see below for support cards)
SOUND: Windows 98SE/2000/XP compatible Sound card (100% DirectX 9.x compatible)
CD-ROM: Quad-speed (4x) CD-ROM drive
HARD DRIVE: 2GB free disk space
INPUT DEVICES: 100% Windows 98SE/2000/XP mouse and keyboard


The recommended system requirements are as follows:

CPU: Intel Pentium® 4 1.5Ghz (or AMD Athlon™ equivalent)
RAM: 512 MB
GRAPHICS: 100% DirectX® 9.0 compatible 3D Card w/ 64 MB
SOUND: Windows 98SE/2000/XP compatible Sound card (100% DirectX® 9.x compatible)
CD-ROM: Eight-speed (8x) CD-ROM drive or faster.
HARD DRIVE: 2GB free disk space

* Supported Chipsets – nVidia GeForce 3Ti/4Ti/Fx (MX series not supported). Radeon 8500/9XXX or higher. (Pixel/Vertex shader required)

I'm sorry to disagree with Pooeypants...but you do need a card with at least 64MB's DDR memory or best at 128MB's as per the specs. 32bit is for the color depth...don't quite understand his 64/128bit thing? However, if you can find an ATI Radeon 9600XT still, it would be around your price range or slightly more but worth the little extra cost for more longevity and would require you install the DX9 version from MS, other cards (and would only require the DX8.1 drivers, the game is compliant with those drivers...only cards that require DX9 drivers need to use the DX9 software to play, per Grey Mouser :)

The use of video memory as a rule of thumb on how good a card is or how effective it is at handling a game is no longer inuse (especially amongst the graphics tech ppl like me), the textures used in DX2 would probably not exceed 80MB and thats going into extremes. I can see your point of getting 128MB over 64MB but I must clarify, you can get an mx440 with 128Mb, and you can get a ti4200 with 64MB video memory but the ti4200 will kick the crap out of the mx440 in any tests and any games.


Myself, I have ATI's Radeon 8500LE 128MB card which will support the game but I bought it a few months ago and don't want to spend more money right now for another. If I could I would buy the above card myself :) I'm still shopping though :D
For on-line buying/searching I recommend www.pricewatch.com to see what's available...just watch for vendor's posting dates to see what's current :) I have done much through their sources and have always been 100% pleased with my purchases from various vendors over several years. I can also recommend ATI's support services if needed :) Ta and Good Hunting!
The 8500LE is an alright card, the 9600XT actually only performs a bit better than the 9600Pro, well in terms of value for money the 9600Pro still wins hands down.

Pooeypants
24th Nov 2003, 18:41
Originally posted by KingRat
"I'm sorry to disagree with Pooeypants...but you do need a card with at least 64MB's DDR memory or best at 128MB's as per the specs. 32bit is for the color depth...don't quite understand his 64/128bit thing?"

In this instance PP is correct as he is referring to the memory interface, ie my R9700 is 256bit while a FX5800 was 128 (that's why NV released the 256bit FX5900 so quick). There are plenty of 64bit cards floating around including some 9600's.....check out the specs & go with 128 & up:)
Can you believe they have the cheek to sell 9600SE (aka *****ty edition)....64bit mem ....atrocious that is.

Bio Denton
24th Nov 2003, 18:41
Originally posted by aquinasproject
Thanks for the help.

I dont want to buy Nvidia because I was sold a crapy geforce 4 MX card. I was thinking of the "Tyan 9600 pro".

But I am conserned that it.doesnt run well at high resolution.

The MX, by definition, was supposed to be crap; it was their entry level card.

KingRat
24th Nov 2003, 19:16
Originally posted by Pooeypants
Can you believe they have the cheek to sell 9600SE (aka *****ty edition)....64bit mem ....atrocious that is.

Yea, but their target group is the same as the FX5200[non-ultra]. Also, quite a few people bought 9600se's & found they were actually Pro's.....not bad for $129 w/HL2.....you just had to make sure the serial #180339 was on the box.

Sr60308
25th Nov 2003, 02:06
between the geforce and the radeon which ones are the best?

Elder
25th Nov 2003, 04:06
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Pooeypants
25th Nov 2003, 13:40
Originally posted by Sr60308
between the geforce and the radeon which ones are the best?
Please DO NOT start an ATi versus Nvidia argument in here...I've seen enough to last a lifetime.

Pooeypants
25th Nov 2003, 13:42
Originally posted by Elder
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Updated - 11/21, 11:26 AM TotalCost $129.99

Price - $125
Shipping - $4.99 USPS $12.89 UPS Ground shipping 48 state
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