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JohnRaider
10th Nov 2003, 13:52
I need to know which graphic card to get.

I can only afford the nVidia GeforceFX 5600, Nvidia Geforce4Ti 4800 SE, or ATi Radeon 9600. I mainly plan to do some 3Ds Max work and to play games, including angel of darkness.

Jack

Quillan
10th Nov 2003, 14:59
I would say get the Radeon 9600 if you need a card with full DirectX 9 support, otherwise get the ti4800.

eurisko
10th Nov 2003, 15:18
Hi Jack :)

ahhh, upgrading. It's a good feeling (except when you walk out of that shop with a considerably ligher wallet).

Here's some articles and benchies I googled up for you. Since I don't know exactly which version (eg, Ultra, XT, PRO, etc etc) or brands (Powercolour, MSI, Saphire etc etc) you're thinking of purchasing, I just grabbed whatever I could find.

nVidia GeforceFX 5600 Cards
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5600 Ultra&FX 5200 Ultra - Performance (http://www20.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030311/)
GeForce FX 5600 Ultra Preview (http://www.beyond3d.com/previews/nvidia/nv31/)
NVIDIA's GeForce FX 5600/5200 Ultra Performance Review (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1797)

Nvidia Geforce4Ti 4800 SE
GeForce4 Ti Technical Specifications (http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce4ti.html)
NVIDIA's GeForce4 Ti 4800? (http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1741&p=4)

ATI Radeon 9600
Introducing ATi's New Middle Class: The Radeon 9600 PRO (http://www17.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030416/radeon_9600-06.html)
Radeon 9600 XT and Radeon 9800 XT Tech Brief (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reports/9800xt_preview/)
(I'll post back here with more info if I remember and can dig 'em up again)

Forums
Computing forums are a fountain of knowledge on these subjects - so long as you pick the right ones. AtomicMPC (http://www.atomicmpc.com.au) is a well-respected Australian computing magazine. The Atomic forums have a dedicated section for Graphics and Sound Cards from which I was able to dig up these few threads...
Video Card Infolist (http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=3186)
Beginners Guide to Buying A Video Card (http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=3113) (I'm including this because I don't know how much you know about this sort of thing.)
9600PRO vs ti4800 (http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=3666) (well, it's a quick look)
9600 pro versus 5600 ultra? (http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=3659)

If you have further questions about this issue, I encourage you to join (somewhere, at least) and ask some nerds for their opinions. You'll get some high-quality answers that are true indicators of the cards performance.

/end linkage

I too am considering upgrading in the very near future (very near indeed, given that I finished my exams for this semester of uni today, so I'm in need of some serious gameage), so I've done a bit of research on this. I don't have all the information on this puter, but I'll come back and post later with them (providing I remember!). But for my money, I'm definately doing to go 9600, probably PRO. I've checked it all out for weeks and there's just no competition, as far as I'm concerned.

Keep in mind that I don't know what brand you're looking at. Some are definately better than others, and some are very poor performers indeed (GigaCube comes to mind here), so you might want to launch an investigation into brands once you've narrowed down your selection. But I'd seriously recommend the Radeon 9600 series of cards over the others, no question about it.

So that's it from me for now. Maybe I'll return with some more information (it's 1:15am here atm and I'm heading off to bed; this was just a quick post to get you started).

Happy hunting :)

edit: I missed a link :)

Seth
10th Nov 2003, 16:29
ATi Radeon 9600.

The FX line aren't "true" DirectX9 cards, and the GeForce 4 isn't a DirectX 9 card at all.

Besides, the 9600 Pro beat that the FX 5900 Ultra in the majority of benchmarks.

JohnRaider
10th Nov 2003, 19:13
The Ati Radeon 9600 seems to be pretty good. At least when compared to the GeforceFX 5600 card.

But Radeon cards aren't all that great with 3D animation and I've heard users of 3Ds Max have problems with Ati cards and that geforce cards I better with 3D performance in 3Ds Max.

If I choose the Radeon 9600, will image quality and performance be good with Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness, Half-Life 2, and Doom III? What about Tron 2.0?

Seth
11th Nov 2003, 00:06
No idea on the 3D programming, but I can't imagine it would be all too awful.

And yes, yes, yes, and yes for all those games.

simulation
11th Nov 2003, 09:12
With the current performance of nVidia cards I'd go for the Radeon 9600. I have a 9800Pro and tried it with TRAOD, Halo Demo, Tron2 Demo and the performance is great.

Since using the Radeon I haven't seen any graphic glitches.

I have some performance figures on my website (http://www.simulations.btinternet.co.uk) using the TRAOD graphic card benchmark features , so feel free to have a look. It also contains image quality comparisons. I am trying to expand the list, so if anyone else could run the test I would be greatful. I really need a good cross section of cards and CPUs to be of any use.

P.S. The benchmarking was removed in the v52 patch.

JohnRaider
14th Nov 2003, 13:40
I've been thinking if it would be a good idea to buy a nVidia GeForce4 TI 4800. I know its not a directx 9 card, but I hear its better than most of the GeforceFX cards. Is is true the GeForceFX 5200 is a directx 9 version of the geforce4 MX?

Anyways, what will performance and image quality be like in Doom III, Half-Life 2, Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness, and Tron 2.0(will I get the cool glow effects).

I would go for an ATI Radeon 9600, but ATI RADEON cards are not that good with 3D programs such as 3Ds Max since they are geared more for gaming.

The only worth owning geforceFX card would be the GeforceFX 5900 or above and I can't afford those.

The nVidia GeForce4 Ti series are really cheap and I was just wondering if I will have problems playing recent games with this card.

Jack

Quillan
14th Nov 2003, 15:27
You might want to wait a couple weeks and see if you can get the new FX5700 Ultra in that case. The ti4800 is basically a ti4200 with AGP 8x support. It's not a bad card by any means, don't get me wrong, but I am pretty sure the 5700 Ultra will outperform it in almost all applications, as well as providing DirectX 9 support. Personally, I would recommend the Radeon 9600 Pro if you were only doing gaming stuff, but if 3DS Max does have issues with the Radeon cards, then the 5700 Ultra will probably give you the best performance/cost deal.

JohnRaider
18th Nov 2003, 16:16
the GeforceFX 5700 Ultra is above $200 though :(.

Right Now I'm thinking about going for an Ati Radeon 9600 Pro or nVidia GeforceFX 5600 Ultra. But can't decide which to go for.

simulation
19th Nov 2003, 00:09
I agree with you. The top range cards are just too expensive. Go for the mid range card.

Not a lot of difference in price or performance between the 5600 and 9600. I'd go for the better price deal. You can get either for around the £100 mark. Just shop around.

JohnRaider
19th Nov 2003, 20:49
Is a GeforceFX 5600 card really that bad? Is peformance with TR: Angel of Darkness any good and do you think it will handle something like Half-Life 2? What about the GeforceFX 5600's image quality? Can someone that owns a GeforceFX 5600 please tell me their experiance with the card?

I want to stay away from Ati Radeon cards not that they are bad or anything, but because they are made only for gaming and geforce cards are more stable with 3D apps like 3Ds Max, Maya, and softimage.

So I am limiting it to only Geforce cards and I don't want to spend more than $190 for a graphic card. I plan on buying somewhere on newegg, but just don't know what to choose.

Quillan
20th Nov 2003, 18:34
I can't tell you about the 5600, but I ran AOD on a ti4200 card and had no problems with it at all. I will say it looks a lot better now on my 9800 Pro, but it looked good on the ti4200. The 5600 (make sure it's an Ultra) WILL run anything you want. It might not be as fast as the top end card. You might need to turn detail settings down a little. In HL2 it's not going to look QUITE as good due to the different code path, but I would be willing to lay money that it's not going to look BAD. I think you will be satisfied with it.

JohnRaider
17th Dec 2003, 20:30
So do you think a Geforce4 Ti card would be good if I'm not interested in playing games such as Half-Life 2 and Doom III? The games I mainly plan to play are:

Tomb Raider 1,2,3,4,5,AOD

GTA: Vice City

The Thing

Unreal 2

Unreal Tournament 2003

Broken Sword & The sleeping Dragon

jedi Knight II

Prince of Persia: Sands of Time

Black & White

The Longest Journey

Giants

As you can see most of those games are games that came out before directx9. The only future games I'm waiting for is the next tomb raider game and the longest journey 2.

Jack