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member_10549843
12th Jun 2013, 22:38
Hi everyone,
I am a massive Kingdom Hearts fan (Even imported the final mix games, and a couple japanese first releases) and I was just wondering why they are developing Kingdom Hearts 3 for the PS4 and the Xbox One.
Trust me on this, I have no issue with it being multiplatform (it seems this generation most of the games that people really want are multiplatform. And its never been exclusive to sony) but I am just wondering why? Microsoft platforms have NEVER had a kingdom hearts game. I understand that some people have bought a PS2 and an Xbox and what not and fans may be on the xbox side, but it won't sell since the majority of Kingdom Hearts fans are on the sony side. Other than money, why didn't they annouce the game for the PS4 and the WiiU since Nintendo has had previous Kingdom Hearts games? Its all puzzling to me. Why release the end of a trilogy to a console family thats NEVER had a single game in the franchise.

manuel.alberto.336
13th Jun 2013, 16:29
Dear Square-enix, is Kingdom hearts going to be on the WiiU or not. If not, please be careful with what you're doing. Alot of fans from the series are Nintendo gamers. If you don't put the game on the WiiU, you may lose many of them if you don't put the game in that console. Some may buy other consoles to get it. But some won't. And plus, I'm pretty sure you can put KH3 on the WiiU. You just need to tap on his full potential. I'm not saying you should do this, I'm just saying that you should try to make it work. Please? For me and the fans loyal to Nintendo.

manuel.alberto.336
13th Jun 2013, 17:49
Hi everyone,
I am a massive Kingdom Hearts fan (Even imported the final mix games, and a couple japanese first releases) and I was just wondering why they are developing Kingdom Hearts 3 for the PS4 and the Xbox One.
Trust me on this, I have no issue with it being multiplatform (it seems this generation most of the games that people really want are multiplatform. And its never been exclusive to sony) but I am just wondering why? Microsoft platforms have NEVER had a kingdom hearts game. I understand that some people have bought a PS2 and an Xbox and what not and fans may be on the xbox side, but it won't sell since the majority of Kingdom Hearts fans are on the sony side. Other than money, why didn't they annouce the game for the PS4 and the WiiU since Nintendo has had previous Kingdom Hearts games? Its all puzzling to me. Why release the end of a trilogy to a console family thats NEVER had a single game in the franchise.


I agree completely.

Ryutim
14th Jun 2013, 15:20
Same here. I doubt that KH3 will be the last game of the series (or at least, I really hope not), but I agree that it's kinda odd for it to be released on the Xbox One, and not the Wii U, this might be due to the differences in technology, I don't actually know how hard it would be to port the game from the PS4 to the Wii U, but just taking the difference between the PS4 and Wii U controllers into account, well, the Wii U players might want some extra controls connected to the touchscreen (I can't think of any reason why they would want that, but they might) or something like that, and it'd take a lot of work to make that happen (even if the PS4 uses it's touch controls, which doesn't seem likely to me, it'd be weird to switch it from the PS4 controller's little touchpad to the the Wii U's gigantic touchscreen). Honestly, when it comes down to it, I don't know why they do what they do, or why they don't do what they don't do, I'm just putting out some possible reasons for you.

sleepyeyes
16th Jun 2013, 12:58
Yeah, the title of this forum should be, "Why any other console besides PS4?" As for why it's not on the WiiU...


Maybe it's because no one *bought* the WiiU. www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2420542,00... (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2420542,00.asp)


Truthfully, I hope the Xbox version of KH3 is a shoddy port. This is not because I want SE to fail, of course, but because I want Xbox fanboys and girls to suffer for the way they continually flame anyone who even suggests on their forums that the Microsoft DRM and connectivity policies are just a bit restrictive.

Ariies
16th Jun 2013, 13:06
my guess is that they want a lead on the NEXT gen consoles. But I wouldnt place my faith in crapbox one.

KHIIIforWiiU
16th Jun 2013, 13:13
Okay so let me start off by saying I personally don't mind buying a PS4 to play Kingdom Hearts III, but Wii U owners and Nintendo fans have been getting the short end of the stick lately from 3rd party developers (and there are arguments for that), but I still feel that the Wii U deserves its own version as much as the XB ONE and there is to consider the rich library of KH games that have been released on Nintendo. I support KH III going multi-platform, hey the more the merrier. So if your a Nintendo fan, Wii U owner, multi-platform supporter or just sympathizing with the Nintendo fans, and Wii U owners please add your signature to my petition and if possibly spread the word about this petition on twitter, facebook or any other social media site. It might be a long shot, but its worth a try.


Thank you and have a nice morning, afternoon or evening. www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-ple... (http://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-please-develop-kingdom-hearts-iii-for-the-wii-u-also)


I also have a twitter and fb for this petition (new w/ social media):


www.facebook.com/BringKingdomHearts3ToWi... (https://www.facebook.com/BringKingdomHearts3ToWiiU)


mobile.twitter.com/account (https://mobile.twitter.com/account)

KHIIIforWiiU
16th Jun 2013, 13:14
DO NOT RESPOND HERE

Ryutim
16th Jun 2013, 13:18
@ Jay. Dude, it'll be enough for them to have to play the game on an Xbox controller, that alone would screw up the action imo, but maybe that's just me, personally, I'm gonna get the PS4 version and play the game my way, and if the Xbox fans want to play on the Xbox One, well, that's their choice, and if they want to flame me for playing the game my way or voicing my oppinions (or rather, posting them), I'll be happy to ignore them, that doesn't bother me at all (some comments do, but that's mainly when people mock the theories that I post on these forums, not when they say I'm an idiot for being exactly who I am, I've got no problem with that, they're just words, and saying things doesn't make them true). One of my favorite sayings is, "To each their own.", and to me, that means that people can be passionate about whatever they want, but they shouldn't try to force people to do things their way if they don't want to.

sleepyeyes
16th Jun 2013, 13:26
The WiiU doesn't deserve the same treatment as the XB1 and PS4 because it's been on the market now for how long (?), and it isn't selling.


I posted this elsewhere, but it's relevant: www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2420542,00... (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2420542,00.asp) . Yes, the article is about *why* the WiiU isn't selling, but the first line completely explains why the WiiU is getting, as you put it, the short end of the stick: "Simply put, the Wii U just hasn't been selling well."

Ryutim
16th Jun 2013, 13:26
I really hope that this doesn't become the same ridiculous arguement that's happening in the other thread about bringing KH 1.5 remix to the Xbox 360, but at least this does kinda make sense, KH3 is in development, so changes are to be expected, while KH 1.5 is already out in japan, so expecting them to port it over is a bit much. I'm not the type to sign petitions, but good luck dude, I've got a Wii U, but I'm gonna get a PS4, so it doesn't really make a difference to me, but maybe this will inspire more 3rd party developers to make games for the Wii U, you never know.

sleepyeyes
16th Jun 2013, 13:29
@ Jay. Dude... "To each their own.", and to me, that means that people can be passionate about whatever they want, but they shouldn't try to force people to do things their way if they don't want to.






You're not wrong...

Ariies
16th Jun 2013, 13:30
@ Jay. Dude, it'll be enough for them to have to play the game on an Xbox controller, that alone would screw up the action imo, but maybe that's just me, personally, I'm gonna get the PS4 version and play the game my way, and if the Xbox fans want to play on the Xbox One, well, that's their choice, and if they want to flame me for playing the game my way or voicing my oppinions (or rather, posting them), I'll be happy to ignore them, that doesn't bother me at all (some comments do, but that's mainly when people mock the theories that I post on these forums, not when they say I'm an idiot for being exactly who I am, I've got no problem with that, they're just words, and saying things doesn't make them true). One of my favorite sayings is, "To each their own.", and to me, that means that people can be passionate about whatever they want, but they shouldn't try to force people to do things their way if they don't want to.





They may get some hits on the xbox, but if you look at most of the games average xbox players play, they are not like KH. Then again, it may suprise us. True enough about the controller though.

Ryutim
16th Jun 2013, 13:31
Yeah, maybe some Xbox gamers wouldn't mind the controls, but I sure as heck would.

sleepyeyes
16th Jun 2013, 13:40
Didn't he just post this in a thread in the same subforum?


Change.org should remove all petitions related to video games.

Ryutim
16th Jun 2013, 13:44
Well, developers don't want to make games for a system that hasn't sold well, and the system won't sell well unless it gets good games, it's an annoying problem that started with Nintendo's huge mistake of not telling developers about the 3DS in time to get any really good games out for the launch, so now the customers are hesitent to buy a system just to wait a year or more until games actually come out, but once they do, the problem will pretty much solve itself, but it's a shame that they developers won't take a leap of faith that the system will sell well, because they're just making it so that we'll have to wait even longer for the games they'll eventually choose to develop to come out.

KHIIIforWiiU
16th Jun 2013, 14:08
Well you also gotta consider that the game is still in development and that means it won't be out until Holiday 2014 (probably not) or Spring/Holiday 2015 (most likely Spring) maybe even early 2016, but by then the Wii U would probably have good sales plus they can do what Ubisoft is doing in the article not make any exclusives and just multiplayform games for it in this case KH III.

sleepyeyes
16th Jun 2013, 14:10
The Wii has always been perceived as unsupported by third-party publishers, even when that wasn't true. And, the Wii never appealed to hardcore gamers because of hardware limitations and lack of HD graphics.


I'm really not dissing the Wii. I was blown up in Afghanistan, and my physical therapists used a Wii to help me recover skills I had lost to the injury. But, it was never perceived as a serious gaming console. Maybe if Nintendo had renamed the Wii U, to distance it from its younger brother, it would have enjoyed wider support from game publishers. But, to date, the Wii U has fallen short. SE surely takes that into consideration when planning games, because publishing video games is an expensive endeavor.

KHIIIforWiiU
16th Jun 2013, 15:38
I had nothing to do with this, I just found out about this thread. I'm not the type of person who puts repeated stuff.

member_10628951
16th Jun 2013, 16:23
I'll help explain this the best way I can.

Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 are both being developed using the coding toolset DirectX 11.

DirectX is a powerful toolset that helps programmers program games better and more efficiently. It also helps the games run better.

Unfortunately, Wii U doesn't support DirectX 11 because of its PowerPC architecture. It would be extremely difficult to port the game. Not only that but a lot of money and resources would be put into a port that wouldn't run very well because it wasn't built natively for said platforms. PS4 and One both support PC like architectures that support many development toolsets like DirectX 11.

Also resource allocation would further divide the team up. With more and more of the team making more ports it would affect the overall quality of the game. There is no inherent reward to porting the game to the Wii U.

I hope that helped clear things up for you guys.

sleepyeyes
16th Jun 2013, 16:27
'Nuff said.

blackpoison
16th Jun 2013, 20:33
I bloody hope not the Wii U is barely more powerful then then current gen systems meaning if they develop with the Wii U in mind the quality of the entire game will be brought down





The PS4 and XBOX One are much closer in power 1.84 TFLOPS vs 1.24 TFLOPS vs the Wii U crappy current gen power of 0.35 TFLOPS








Do you really think what the development team has in mind for an epic final quest in the Xeanort Saga can really run on the Wii U's pathetic Hardware? Do you really think the Wii U can run this ingame @ 1080p and 60 FPS

Gemmie12_Blansive
17th Jun 2013, 09:09
I bloody hope not the Wii U is barely more powerful then then current gen systems meaning if they develop with the Wii U in mind the quality of the entire game will be brought down





The PS4 and XBOX One are much closer in power 1.84 TFLOPS vs 1.24 TFLOPS vs the Wii U crappy current gen power of 0.35 TFLOPS





Do you really think what the development team has in mind for an epic final quest in the Xeanort Saga can really run on the Wii U's pathetic Hardware? Do you really think the Wii U can run this ingame @ 1080p and 60 FPS









I don't think why not, SE aready is releasing Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director Cut, once a PS3 game, onto the Wii U pretty soon. Trust me, I'm pre-ordering the PS4, I have a PS3, but also the Wii U. So I think this is a great Idea.

DinobotZ
17th Jun 2013, 10:17
Ah, why the hell not. It's already been confirmed for development on the Xbox One, so Square Enix might as well develop it for the Wii U too.

Ryutim
17th Jun 2013, 14:59
I'll help explain this the best way I can. Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 are both being developed using the coding toolset DirectX 11. DirectX is a powerful toolset that helps programmers program games better and more efficiently. It also helps the games run better. Unfortunately, Wii U doesn't support DirectX 11 because of its PowerPC architecture. It would be extremely difficult to port the game. Not only that but a lot of money and resources would be put into a port that wouldn't run very well because it wasn't built natively for said platforms. PS4 and One both support PC like architectures that support many development toolsets like DirectX 11. Also resource allocation would further divide the team up. With more and more of the team making more ports it would affect the overall quality of the game. There is no inherent reward to porting the game to the Wii U. I hope that helped clear things up for you guys.


Yeah, it totally makes sense now. I'd thought it might be something tech related, but I didn't know for sure. I really hope those limitations don't keep developers from making games for the Wii U for long, because while it isn't my favorite system, it's already gonna get some awsome games on it (Legend of Zelda, Super Smash Bros., so on and so forth), and the more games it gets (since I already bought the system for, "family use", which basically means that my little brother uses it at the moment, and once good games come out for it, it'll be all mine, mwahahaha-uhh, nevermind.), the better.

Asuha
17th Jun 2013, 15:27
The Wii U simply isn't powerful enough, unfortunately.

manuel.alberto.336
18th Jun 2013, 07:49
Okay so let me start off by saying I personally don't mind buying a PS4 to play Kingdom Hearts III, but Wii U owners and Nintendo fans have been getting the short end of the stick lately from 3rd party developers (and there are arguments for that), but I still feel that the Wii U deserves its own version as much as the XB ONE and there is to consider the rich library of KH games that have been released on Nintendo. I support KH III going multi-platform, hey the more the merrier. So if your a Nintendo fan, Wii U owner, multi-platform supporter or just sympathizing with the Nintendo fans, and Wii U owners please add your signature to my petition and if possibly spread the word about this petition on twitter, facebook or any other social media site. It might be a long shot, but its worth a try.

Thank you and have a nice morning, afternoon or evening.

www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-ple... (http://www.change.org/petitions/square-enix-please-develop-kingdom-hearts-iii-for-the-wii-u-also)

I also have a twitter and fb for this petition (new w/ social media):

m.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=2095803... (https://m.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=209580305857361&m_sess&viewtype=public&__user=100006149733056)

mobile.twitter.com/account (https://mobile.twitter.com/account)

I just did.

manuel.alberto.336
18th Jun 2013, 07:51
I bloody hope not the Wii U is barely more powerful then then current gen systems meaning if they develop with the Wii U in mind the quality of the entire game will be brought down





The PS4 and XBOX One are much closer in power 1.84 TFLOPS vs 1.24 TFLOPS vs the Wii U crappy current gen power of 0.35 TFLOPS








Do you really think what the development team has in mind for an epic final quest in the Xeanort Saga can really run on the Wii U's pathetic Hardware? Do you really think the Wii U can run this ingame @ 1080p and 60 FPS














Yep!

blackpoison
18th Jun 2013, 08:21
Man I need to make a counter petition for this I DO NOT want Kingdom Hearts 3 to be ruined by the stupid Wii U fanboys just buy a PS4 and stop being cheap

KHIIIforWiiU
18th Jun 2013, 08:33
I can see your going to be a thorn in my flesh, honestly why don't you just ignor this thread just let be. In case your wondering or do any assumptions, I do not own a Wii U and if Kingdom Hearts III were to ever come out on Wii U that wouldn't change the fact that I'm still getting the PS4.

Barlisk84
18th Jun 2013, 08:34
We will trade you Zora and Lightning for Link and Mario. Lol. Were gonna feed Mario to the Xbox One and reboot Zelda. Holy cow can you imagine Zelda on the PS4? Anyhow... they would have to chop out so much of the games to be able to get it on the WiiU that it'd just be a shame to even consider doing it. And I hope they never make another Xbox game, ever. That was a huge mistake. Xbox can keep that mess they called FF10 and any sequels to it. And btw, were still waiting for KH:DDD on the PS Vita.... heh.

Shadow_X
18th Jun 2013, 08:36
Might as well make one to get Halo on PlayStation 4.

blackpoison
18th Jun 2013, 08:40
why not, SE aready is releasing Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director Cut, once a PS3 game, onto the Wii U pretty soon. Trust me, I'm pre-ordering the PS4, I have a PS3, but also the Wii U. So I think this is a great Idea.









Keyword PS3. The PS3 and Wii U are simillar in power which is why I have no problem with cross platform games that began on the Playstation 3








HOWEVER The Playstation 4 is 5 times more powerful then the Wii U (maybe more) so like I mentioned prevously if they develop with the Wii U in mind the ENTIRE quality of the exerperience will be brought down to current gen level because you have to develop wth the lowest system in mind.





The worlds would be tiny and linear due to ram size and ram speed limitations (1 GB DDR3 running @ 12.8 GB/S vs 7GB running @ 176 GB/S) 1 GB is reserved to both systems





What you're going to see with the PS4 AND Xbox One is more open worlds higher frame rates better graphics higher resolution with better effects and with a game like Kingdom Hearts this means EVERYTHING








For those like myself who have been waiting for Kingdom Hearts in a truly next gen experience we must not let this get on to the Wii U

Ryutim
18th Jun 2013, 11:39
Oh boy, here we go. Look, can we just agree that people have the right to petition for stuff, but it really won't get them anywhere unless they get at least a million people to sign it? Once they get half a million people to sign the petition, then we can argue about it, but until then, I doubt that SE will even notice. Anyway, to me, graphics don't mean anything, it's just the content that matters, so if the game came out on the Wii U with PS2 KH graphics, but with all the same gameplay and stuff included, I wouldn't have any problem playing it (I'd still buy it for the PS4, because that's the system it's meant to be played on, but apart from playing it on a controller that it wasn't made for, I wouldn't have a problem with playing it on the Wii U, just as long as it didn't lower the quality or cut any of the content from the PS4 version, like you said.). Anyway, does anyone else think that the only reason why SE agreed to release KH3 on the Xbox One was because Microsoft bribed them to do it?

KHIIIforWiiU
18th Jun 2013, 12:11
Hey you took my response. Your not the only, well either that or Square Enix had a bad revanue of late and thought releasing KHIII on XBOX ONE would make them a profit.

kevingonzalez
18th Jun 2013, 12:44
Playstation was my first real console and whenever the PS2 came out and Kingdom Hearts was introduced, I fell in love. Seriously? Seeing Kingdom Hearts come out for every console just doesn't fell right. They already are releasing it for Xbox One, I'm happy for that because it is a really good system with high capabilities, but releasing it for the Wii U isn't the same thing. No offense to Nintendo, but they are just not up to par with Microsoft and Sony. I just feel like if they were to release it for every console it would just make it lose its genuine antiquity of the game.

member_10628951
18th Jun 2013, 20:39
I said this in the other thread but apparently I need to say it here too. Hopefully this will give you guys a better reasoning as to why this isn't coming to Wii U and how it would be more detrimental to the game then being a positive thing (both from a business perspective and game quality perspective):

I'll help explain this the best way I can.

Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 are both being developed using the coding toolset DirectX 11.

DirectX is a powerful toolset that helps programmers program games better and more efficiently. It also helps the games run better.

Unfortunately, Wii U doesn't support DirectX 11 because of its PowerPC architecture. It would be extremely difficult to port the game. Not only that but a lot of money and resources would be put into a port that wouldn't run very well because it wasn't built natively for said platforms. PS4 and One both support PC like architectures that support many development toolsets like DirectX 11.

Also resource allocation would further divide the team up. With more and more of the team making more ports it would affect the overall quality of the game. There is no inherent reward to porting the game to the Wii U.

I hope that helped clear things up for you guys.

manight
19th Jun 2013, 13:13
I love nintendo but the wii u was not made right. It could not run arkham city right and people to expect ps4 and xbox one titles to run right on this new system are just joking them selves. Kingdom hearts is on ps4 and xbox one and it is going to be much for the wii u.

rayman42003
19th Jun 2013, 18:40
@Pshychoninja


I don't think your statement is an end all, be all for these threads. Firstly, I'd like to clarify that DirectX is a API used to handle multimedia, and would be more related to GPU features rather than CPU architecture (PowerPC vs x86 - though there will be work in moving from x86 to PowerPC). Now from my understanding the Wii U doesn't directly support DirectX due to Nintendo not liscensing the API.





Now I'm not a game developer, but I do have some background in computer science, so I believe there to be some truth to these claims I'm going to make. As an API, DirectX's job is to handle rendering details with the hardware as an abstraction for programmers. A well designed game should separate rendering from the actual game, so DirectX could be replaced with an equivalent (like OpenGL, or whatever the Wii U supports). Of course, it isn't as simple as that, and some effort would be needed in making the game run smoothly (probably running at 720p and less intensive particles, to say the least).





Now from a business perspective this does demand more cost and resource allocation, but there are several things to consider. Firstly, some of the middleware solutions the Luminous Engine uses come from Silicon Studios, which have provided a solution for Wii U as well. And as others have said, Square Enix has established a following of the franchise on Nintendo platforms before, and the audience on the Wii U quite ideal for Kingdom Hearts. Porting an engine over only needs to happen once - then games like Final Fantasy XV and whatever else runs on Luminous Engine will be easier to bring over. The big issue for Squre, I think, is whether there is a big enough userbase of the Wii U for that to happen. Though with what Nintendo will be bringing this holiday season onwards, I have reason to believe there will be a strong userbase.

Ryutim
19th Jun 2013, 22:19
I agree with you there, Nintendo has made some really big mistakes with not having a decent game lineup at release (and to be fair, Sony hasn't been doing much better, the Vita looks awsome, but there just aren't enough good games to justify buying it yet), but with the games that have been confirmed for the Wii U so far (Super Smash Bros., the Legend of Zelda, and so on), it's guaranteed to bounce back.

fLOYDSTRIFE
19th Jun 2013, 23:04
you guys get two kingdom heart titiles and you suddenly feel like you deserve to get more? petteions does nothing you never get anywere no one ever has in the gameing community but on the flip side if i had to decide who should get the kingdom hearts series..id say nintindo over any xbox product

rayman42003
19th Jun 2013, 23:09
It's actually 4: Chain of Memories, 358/2, Re:Coded, and DDD. I'd say that most of those were pretty crucial to the story save for Re:Coded. I'd think after creating a base of fans on the Nintendo platform, they should support that fan base, that's all. And petitioning seemed to change how the Xbox One works, though that was a totally different situation :O

Bobguy117
19th Jun 2013, 23:23
Everyone deserves to play whatever games they so choose, and Kingdom Hearts definitely has the feeling of whimsy that comes from playing a game on a Nintendo console. Though the fact that the WiiU doesn't have the technology necessary to run the game, I'm sure serious thought was put into releasing it on the WiiU, and I'm sure that serious thought will continue to be put into it. There's plenty of time before the game's release, and Nintendo fans certainly have as much a chance as anyone to play Kingdom Hearts 3. I know if Kingdom Hearts 3 were going to be released on the WiiU, I'd go out and buy a WiiU right now.

member_10628951
20th Jun 2013, 01:06
@Rich

DirectX 11 is so much more then an API. It's also a library of commands and functions programmers use to code games. If they are using DirectX 11 it means they are building it from the ground up with DirectX 11. It's literally the foundation the game is built on and is hard coded in.

Wii U does not have the hardware nor the software built into the system to run the libraries that are built into DirectX 11.

In simpler terms, in order for them to port it they would have to rebuild the game from basically scratch (they would have to recode the entire game and engine). That isn't a viable business or creative option at all. That doesn't have the best interest of the game in mind nor the consumer in mind as it would divert way to much of the team to port and would cost way too much money for most likely a small return. This is high risk, low reward. Something that a lot of company's would not risk. Especially given SE's current fragile finances at the moment it would be a poor decision any way you look at it.

Nomura already said if the system can't run DirectX 11 then it's not being considered. It's foolish to think otherwise.

sleepyeyes
20th Jun 2013, 01:42
That doesn't have the best interest of the game in mind nor the consumer in mind as it would divert way to much of the team to port and would cost way too much money for most likely a small return. This is high risk, low reward.






And, that's the crux of the issue, in a nutshell. All any of you can promise is that you, personally, will buy the game new. You cannot even begin to promise that KH3 for Wii U would sell even a million new copies. SE knows where its sales figures come from; it is no accident that FFX HD and KH 1.5 HD are Playstation exclusives.

rayman42003
20th Jun 2013, 11:41
@Pshyconinja


Not to nitpick at words, but an API is pretty synonymous to a library. The Wii U doesn't have the DirectX library, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the hardware or an equivalent library to do the job. It also won't be graphically on par with PS4 and X1 versions, but I believe it'd still be possible (though that's not saying much, with my little experience). The question is whether, at this point in time, the tools and information are being provided (which is why I brought up Silicon Studio's middleware in my first post) and whether there is a market for them.


And as I said, a well designed game and engine (I believe Square Enix has planned out their design of both their games and engines) would abstract the rendering aspect of the game from the actual game, meaning that DirectX is simply a library that could be replaced with an equivalent that provides the same solutions - and these are usually provided by middleware or by the hardware developers themselves. Let's put it this way: if you're designing a program that only works with one type of computer and has to be rewritten for every other type of computer, you're designing a bad program. Of course, the functionality of the machine plays a role, as well as many other factors. I'm not arguing that it won't take some effort, time and money to create a port, but I but I disagree that they would have to completely rewrite their code from scratch. It all comes down to whether the market on the Wii U is big enough for them to offset the cost of the port and gain a profit.


I don't think it's likely that they will reverse their decision of not developing the game for hardware that doesn't have the DirectX 11 library either, but if the install base is big enough to warrant a profit, there is a possibility. SE knows its sales figures better than I do, but my reasoning is that they've decided to create multiple installments of the franchise on Nintendo platforms because there is an audience for their games on Nintendo platforms. There was a strong install base for the DS and GBA. DDD probably came as an investment in the 3DS platform because of the success of the DS. The same can't be said for the Wii U - they've had time to look at it, and decided it isn't a viable platform to develop for yet. What's interesting to me is that the PS4 and X1 have install bases of 0 right now - yet they're placing their bets on those machines. But that's a whole other story of Nintendo's relationships with third party developers.


A lot can change in the two or so years (game'll probably come out in 3-4 years, but giving them some time to port) in terms of install base with the Wii U, PS4, X1. So the best we can do is promise that we'll purchase it and keep them considering it as an option. Though to be honest, it'd be more productive to try and get people to buy the Wii U. Hopefully this handful passionate fans will catch the eye of SE, and if it becomes suitable for them to port it to the Wii U, that they will.


Edit: Thought I'd add a little example. AMD and Intel use different sets of instructions for their CPUs (because of patents and etc), but you're able to run programs and Windows or Mac on either machine; even the way they go about carrying out those instructions varies slightly. The reason is that they provide the same end result, even if the way they go about it is different. I mean, there's a lot more to this that I'm not well versed in myself, but that's the general idea.

manight
20th Jun 2013, 11:53
I agree the ds and psp have been good to us for the last couple kingdom heart games. The ds has had three kingdom heart games. Amazing!! All great games. I'm even replaying dream drop distance right now. But I think wii u could not play Kingdom Heart 3. But think about this for a second you want kingdom hearts 3. But the wii u isn't even getting the Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5. I think it could play the hd version of the first game but it is only on the playstation. Why not the wii u?

Ryutim
20th Jun 2013, 18:46
To be honest, I'm gonna be getting KH3 for the PS4, and I'm not gonna bother to get it for any other system, so at least in my case, SE is right not to make it for the Wii U. I still think that it's just as bad an idea for them to release it for the Xbox One (I don't think many people will go for the Xbox version over the PS4 version, and I also think that Nintendo has a much bigger KH fanbase than Microsoft), but since the program they're making it on is pretty much the same for both systems, it makes sense that they could port it over without risking much money on it (low risk with a decent chance at success, plus the chance that Microsoft sweetened the deal for them in exchange for not making it exclusive, and yeah, I took that thought from someone else's post, sorry about that.).

WhitePrism
26th Jun 2013, 17:05
I'd love for them to make one for Wii U now that I have one. XD Save me the trouble of buying a PS4. But I don't know if the Wii U could support this title...

Nocte_
28th Jun 2013, 03:11
No, just, no. If they port KH3 over to the Wii or Wii U it would absolutly ruin it.

rayman42003
28th Jun 2013, 13:12
How would that ruin the game? I've seen this said a couple times, and I don't see a reasonable explanation. Firstly, no one was asking for this game on the Wii - it wouldn't be possible, anyway, seeing as how "Kingdom Shaders" seems to be something they're focusing on with KH3- not to mention that shaders in general are the standard today. Several people have pointed out that this would impact the quality of the game if it were to come to the Wii U, but I don't think that's truthful. While it will divert effort and money into creating a port, the assets they use for the game would most likely stay the same, and the target development would be of course still for DX11 and PS4 and X1. The quality of the game assets wouldn't change, just the fidelity of the rendering in comparison to the actual asset. I'll bring up this example: the textures for the games for the Wii (specifically, though I'm sure there are many other places where this is also the case) that were on disc were higher quality than was actually displayed on the screen - that's the reason why Dolphin emulators are able to get so much better looking results- because the PC's they were running are could render the assets better than the Wii.


So the only thing that would actually change is how it looks on the Wii U, and that depends on the effort they make to bring it over and what they can do with the Wii U really offers. This is a completely separate issue that would only affect Wii U adopters of the game. In addition, I don't like statements that claim the Wii U is on par with the current generation, because of the lack of concrete information, and some logical reasoning. It's been around 7 years since the PS3 and X360 launched, and it would be more costly for Nintendo to make their hardware on par with old hardware. Clock rates are not all that has to be looked at either - architecture has changed and it seems as though Nintendo has at least architecturally structured the Wii U closer to what developers are looking for (though PPC, lack of direct support for DX11, and their strange memory design to say the least isn't as convenient). The issue the Wii had in comparison to PS3 and X360 was the complete lack of support for shaders. From just inspecting games, I think its safe to say that the games that are coming out for the Wii U are comprable to the later games for the PS3/X360, if not better slightly. And you have to consider that the Wii U is earlier in development cycles, and in the case of Mario Kart 8, X, and Smash Bros at least - since these are internally developed by Nintendo, that this is their early foray into HD development. And like I've said before, I won't argue that the Wii U can match the PS4 and X1, but I'm under the impression that reasonable compromises can be made that a respectable downport can be made.

Keyblade22
30th Jun 2013, 00:03
That doesn't have the best interest of the game in mind nor the consumer in mind as it would divert way to much of the team to port and would cost way too much money for most likely a small return. This is high risk, low reward.






And, that's the crux of the issue, in a nutshell. All any of you can promise is that you, personally, will buy the game new. You cannot even begin to promise that KH3 for Wii U would sell even a million new copies. SE knows where its sales figures come from; it is no accident that FFX HD and KH 1.5 HD are Playstation exclusives.





im not sure about the wii U but kingdom hearts 1.5 remix would sell very well on xbox 360 . the petition to bring it to that platform is getting more notice. many 360 owners like myself once owned a ps2 in the old days. many of us played kingdom hearts before and would definetely play a hd remake and gladly purchase it. since KH3 will be on the one might as well bring 1.5 remix to xbox 360 to remind fans what makes kingdom hearts so good.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pBu7W-gjzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pBu7W-gjzM)

Skiedragon
30th Jun 2013, 00:29
1- the petition did not make xbox change corporations and jimmy kimmel and his fans did that/


2- games that are exclusives tend to stay that way save for games like Alan Wake


3- KH3 has cost SE millions of yen and the WII-u cannot handle the luminous engine, and when square makes an engine they stick with it and if it is built off DX11 that is not supported it would cost them millions to port it, SE had a bad year and are still playing catch up it just isnt happening. Especially with all the money they just put into A realm reborn.


4- Nomura has stated publicly no DX11 no game and hes in charge of several of their projects now, no petition is going to change his mind with everything that has happened in the past few years at SE including the new management it just doesnt make any sense to port it over these games are on the next gen consoles not the current gen and nintendo has the knack for marketing their systems for families the last few gens, and not the hardcore crowd. SE wants the hardcore crowd its why they are rebuilding a failed MMO, its why versus is coming out- these are NOT for casual gamers.


5- this has less to do with technology and more about the fanbase- KH is a playstation born series, and SE loves Sony, yes it gave out its prequels and its what if games, but at the end of the day the main games will always be a little better on the sony platform- ms had to whine to get their way and seeing as that system is selling 1 to every 3 ps4s it may not have been smart anyways.


5- it would be nice to see equality in all systems, but it just isnt happening. Not with crap like "exclusives" and other buzz words flying around. And nintendo released its "next-gen" system which is barely more powerful than its current gen system competitors a year to the end of the current gen- why they did this boggles my mind. Its like they shot itself in the foot on purpose and a new tablet controller costing 170? No, just no. And the system is tanking right now, nintendo is in financial trouble and yes i can source this. They did however rebound slightly, but they will be effectivly almost knocked out if the ps4 and xb1 preorders are meant to be believed.

rayman42003
30th Jun 2013, 11:40
1. I'm sure the change was in development after the reaction at E3. It wouldn't have just done a 180 because of a TV show - it takes a while to get approval for big changes.


2. Yeah, no arguing that but no harm in trying


3. Luminous Engine is supposedly scalable, and reason's I've posted before


4. If you're taking what they say for 100% truth, it'd be wrong. There's a lot of other factors that play in, it's a business


5. Yeah, but how about Xbox. Nintendo had several KH titles that were important.


6. Yeah, but no harm in trying. Like I've said before, people are assuming things without concrete evidence. Sure its no PS4 or X1, but it isn't
"current gen" either. Controller is more like 120. And Nintendo as $30 billion in assets, they've had a loss, but they're not in financial trouble. How does this affect its probability of coming to the Wii U though? That's their own problem to handle.

Zoomzeta
12th Aug 2013, 00:15
Yep!

Zoomzeta
12th Aug 2013, 00:23
That is the most reasonable post I ever heard. Plus, the WiiU uses the OpenGL engine, which is equivalent to DX11. There's proof of that on a video on youtube and on a special Facebook page named "Bring KH3 to the WiiU".

sleepyeyes
13th Aug 2013, 11:53
Less than 4 million people, worldwide, bought a WiiU. I can't find the pre-order numbers on PS4, but there are almost 80 million PS3s out there. Since the WiiU market is predominately casual gamers, there is just no formula out there that sees profitability for a WiiU port of KH3. Casual gamers are shifting away from the 100 million Wiis they bought, toward mobile platforms like Android and iOS. Also, SE's RPG market isn't casual gamers. Casual gamers are the people who buy 35 million copies of Call of Duty. They are not people who post on vendor-specific game forums. Your petitions don't come anywhere near the demand that SE would need to see in order to respond in your favor, and SE has no reason to think the casual gaming community (the lion's share of WiiU owners) will buy KH3.

No offense intended, but do what everyone else is doing. Buy a PS4. The games are amazing, and there will be several SE killer apps, one of which is KH3.

rayman42003
16th Aug 2013, 15:56
I believe that's a generalizing statement, but it shows the stigmatism the Wii U has and what Nintendo has to change. If anything, with the small market the Wii U has, I'd assume most of the user base would be core Nintendo fans, which aren't by any means casual gamers. I agree that unless the Wii U's market expands, the viability of a port from SE would be under question. However, saying that the market on the Wii U isn't suitable for RPGs I don't find true. If anything, Nintendo platforms are thriving with RPGs. Wii's operation rainfall games are an example of that, and the 3DS is home to Shin Megami Tensei IV, Fire Emblem, and Pokémon, to say the least. Not to mention the DS and 3DS Square Enix titles.

No one said anything about not buying the PS4; I think people are making the point though, that it seems unreasonable (if the Wii U starts to take off) to not have KH3 (and personally for me FFXV as well) on Nintendo platforms. The artistic style of the game and the gameplay are a pretty good fit for the Wii U's libraries and Nintendo platforms.

Inversely, I would like to see Square Enix put out titles to make a market for themselves, rather than waiting for a market to arise; this'd end the catch 22 Nintendo seems to suffer a lot on their consoles. Alas, Square Enix is a business and these projects probably have high budgets, so the chances of them taking risks is low :/.

That doesn't stop me from crossing my fingers that there'll be an announcement at TGS though!

sleepyeyes
18th Aug 2013, 13:35
I believe that's a generalizing statement, but it shows the stigmatism the Wii U has and what Nintendo has to change.
How's this for a generalization: no one bought the Wii U.

rayman42003
19th Aug 2013, 17:02
Yes, that is a generalization, but I don't see how helps argue anything, seeing as there are at least 3.5 million sold. At least your argument that the Wii U's audience primarily consisted of casual gamers was substantiated, albeit with incorrect assumptions.

The Playstation 3, in the same time span as the Wii U, was only doing marginally better than the Wii U is now. It was due to aggressive price cuts, marketing, and the unfaltering investment of third parties into the system that brought it out of the ditch. The Wii U probably won't be able to match the Playstation 3's numbers or reach such a big audience as they did with the blue ocean strategy of the Wii, but they should be able to manage a reasonable amount of sales - their IPs are quite strong, and they're consecutively releasing big hitters from now to early 2014, and the promise of a new Zelda and maybe some hidden cards up their sleeves could generate the demand. It's sad in my opinion at least, that third parties are able to invest in the Playstation 3, a console with such a similar predicament, and not support the Wii U.

If my memory serves me correctly, Square Enix has not released any non-virtual console titles for the Wii U in North America, and the only title they seem to be bringing is Deus Ex, a year (and probably a half by the time it comes out) old title. I don't know if this is Nintendo's doing or SE's, but either way I think that something like a FFXIII trilogy (despite how negatively some people feel about this game) would be a better fit with Nintendo's audience, in terms of story, art style and gameplay. But of course, I'm starting to tread into my own personal preferences :P.

I'd also like to add, in regards to your second to last post, that pre-order numbers don't necessarily equate to actual sales; however, I agree that they are indicative of the demand for the console. Also, I'm having difficulty understanding how a colorful title with a straightforward gameplay system consisting of both Disney characters and Final Fantasy characters wouldn't fit with Nintendo's audience.

NintendoGamer4Life
6th Oct 2013, 20:23
I bloody hope not the Wii U is barely more powerful then then current gen systems meaning if they develop with the Wii U in mind the quality of the entire game will be brought down





The PS4 and XBOX One are much closer in power 1.84 TFLOPS vs 1.24 TFLOPS vs the Wii U crappy current gen power of 0.35 TFLOPS*








Do you really think what the development team has in mind for an epic final quest in the Xeanort Saga can really run on the Wii U's pathetic Hardware? Do you really think the Wii U can run this ingame @ 1080p and 60 FPS

Shut up, you dont know what you are talking about. Graphics dont make the game, the story makes the game. Who cares if the trees dont look the same? Why do you have it out for a great console with great fans who incedently have had more some of the most important stories told on nintendo consoles. Should we mention the fact that while your games look pretty they have no substance you are spending a fortune to play a shooting game that you played years ago with a slightly updated look. Also we have a second screen that can be used for a number of amazing tricks to enhance gameplay. Blackpoison. Your name is apt. For what runs through your veins and what you spit out onto the internet.

NintendoGamer4Life
6th Oct 2013, 20:27
How's this for a generalization: no one bought the Wii U.

try again. looking at sales figures for the games not the console we find that 10 million people bought Rayman Legends wii u version. extrapolating out a minimum of 10 million wii u's have been sold. is 10 million no one? The reason its had a slow start is because its limites with the games but with christmas season upon us the wii u's figures are gonna soar. just look at the 3DS's sales, started slow then BOOM massive sales. So shut up yoi dont know what your on about.

NintendoGamer4Life
6th Oct 2013, 20:30
And, that's the crux of the issue, in a nutshell. *All any of you can promise is that you, personally, will buy the game new. *You cannot even begin to promise that KH3 for Wii U would sell even a million new copies. *SE knows where its sales figures come from; it is no accident that FFX HD and KH 1.5 HD are Playstation exclusives. *

Actually you can based on sales data for the nintendo exclusive kh games then more than 10 million people would in fact get it. also it would be cheap and easy to port over and a game this awesome is gonna get some notice low cost high reward. So shut up you dont know what your on about.

NintendoGamer4Life
6th Oct 2013, 20:35
Keyword PS3.*The PS3 and Wii U are simillar in power which is why I have no problem with cross platform games that began on the Playstation 3








HOWEVER The Playstation 4 is 5 times more powerful then the Wii U (maybe more) so like I mentioned prevously if they develop with the Wii U in mind the ENTIRE quality of the exerperience will be brought down to current gen level because you have to develop wth the lowest system in mind.





The worlds would be tiny and linear due to ram size and ram speed limitations (1 GB DDR3 running @ 12.8 GB/S vs 7GB running @ 176 GB/S) 1 GB is reserved to both systems *





What you're going to see with the PS4 AND Xbox One is more open worlds higher frame rates better graphics higher resolution with better effects and with a game like Kingdom Hearts this means EVERYTHING








For those like myself who have been waiting for Kingdom Hearts in a truly next gen experience we must not let this get on to the Wii U

Ok moron. whats your problem? how would a wii u version affect you really? also the wii u can be considered next gen because next gen refers to the next console nothing to do with power or anything. The wii u is the next generation after the wii, xbox one next gen from the 360, ps4 next gen from ps3. And if you want to play it that way nintendo have like 10 consoles more than xbox and playstation so technically they are behind. shut the hell up.

NintendoGamer4Life
6th Oct 2013, 20:40
Yes, that is a generalization, but I don't see how helps argue anything, seeing as there are at least 3.5 million sold. At least your argument that the Wii U's audience primarily consisted of casual gamers was substantiated, albeit with incorrect assumptions.

The Playstation 3, in the same time span as the Wii U, was only doing marginally better than the Wii U is now. It was due to aggressive price cuts, marketing, and the unfaltering investment of third parties into the system that brought it out of the ditch. The Wii U probably won't be able to match the Playstation 3's numbers or reach such a big audience as they did with the blue ocean strategy of the Wii, but they should be able to manage a reasonable amount of sales - their IPs are quite strong, and they're consecutively releasing big hitters from now to early 2014, and the promise of a new Zelda and maybe some hidden cards up their sleeves could generate the demand. It's sad in my opinion at least, that third parties are able to invest in the Playstation 3, a console with such a similar predicament, and not support the Wii U.

If my memory serves me correctly, Square Enix has not released any non-virtual console titles for the Wii U in North America, and the only title they seem to be bringing is Deus Ex, a year (and probably a half by the time it comes out) old title. I don't know if this is Nintendo's doing or SE's, but either way I think that something like a FFXIII trilogy (despite how negatively some people feel about this game) would be a better fit with Nintendo's audience, in terms of story, art style and gameplay. But of course, I'm starting to tread into my own personal preferences :P.

I'd also like to add, in regards to your second to last post, that pre-order numbers don't necessarily equate to actual sales; however, I agree that they are indicative of the demand for the console. Also, I'm having difficulty understanding how a colorful title with a straightforward gameplay system consisting of both Disney characters and Final Fantasy characters wouldn't fit with Nintendo's audience.

I agree completly. KH already has a strong fan base in Nintendo world because of the 4 nintendo exclusives (vs 3 ps exclusives). One could argue that putting KH3 onto the PS4 makes no sense because it will have been two consoles since the last KH game meaning a lot of fans may have moved on. And definatly putting it onto the Xbox One makes absolutly no sense because there has never been a KH game for that console series it would be like putting Halo onto the Wii U. Sure you might get some sales but all you're really gonna end up with is a bunch of discs you cant sell and pi**ed of Xbox gamers.

NintendoGamer4Life
6th Oct 2013, 20:45
Man I need to make a counter petition for this I DO NOT want *Kingdom Hearts 3 to be ruined by the stupid Wii U fanboys just buy a PS4 and stop being cheap

Ok, you ****head. A) it wouldnt be ruined it would be made better and B) the PS4 is over priced for the ***** that it is. I wouldnt use that thing if you payed me the £400+ its gonna cost. Its nothing new, oops sorry i mean no useful new things. "Look at me, mommy im sending a live stream of the crappy game I'm playing. Hahaha.

Roxas1985
17th Oct 2013, 05:55
Petitions are pointless and utterly useless when it comes to getting games on certain systems, it never worked for Kingdom Hearts games before and it will not work anytime soon. There was a petition to get Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 Remix on Xbox360, it never happened. Once a game system's been decided for a game, it does not change unless it's a remake for an upgraded version of the system made by the same company, (from PS2 to PS3) . Kingdom Hearts 3 has been decided to go on PS4 and Xbox One. Once Square Enix announced a game, they don't go putting the game on another system as well.

I'm not trying to be mean here, just pointing out that petition hardly ever change anything, it doesn't work on getting them to port the game to a 2nd or 3rd system. Just don't get your hopes up too high, you'll only be disappointed when it is released.

Skonic
30th Nov 2013, 17:46
I hope to that Square Enix start to make a Wii U version, Its just a excuse Wii U cant hold the Graphics..... I just think their dont trust the Wii U but i know its going to be on sold when Metroid Prime or The legend of Zelda Hd (the unnamen titel ) is coming out. The Console have just a bad Start cause the Peopel dont give it a try for the new Controller. I dont understand Gameboy advanced had a Kh game. Nintendo ds has and Now Dreamdrop distance then why not on Wii U??? Its just needs Time and the most Delevopers dont know what to do with the Dual Screen but when one Idea pops up,already it comes millions of ideas, Please SQUARE ENIX make a Wii U version cause i dont like to buy a New Console just for a Game cause i dont like Ps 3,4 Controller and Xbox One is 100€ more expsoinver as PS4. I like Kingdom Hearts cause i played 1,2,gameboy Version( i dont remeber the name) ,nintendo ds(358/2 days), and now Dream Drop distance ( i played KH1 and 2 when i was kid ;D) I hope u understand the feelings from the Players on the Wii U. I wish u would think over it and do a "Demo" for the Wii U so u can watch if the Gamers would give it a try or not. and im suer 99% of them would download it and give a 5 star rank+ u brought more Kh series for ninentdo as Sony and yet nothing on Microsofts side then WHY not for the Wii U? Sorry for my bad English im German ;)

Legacy95
17th Jan 2014, 06:30
http://nintendoenthusiast.com/interview/open-book-developers-fuzzywuzzygames-shares-experiences-developing-wii-u/

Hello all. This is Herox95. I'd like to give ya'll some information and facts.
The Wii U has 1.2GB of ram, which is more than enough to run PS4 and Xbox One games. The Wii U also had more launch games than both the 'next gen' consoles. Only this time. I will call Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One consoles current gen, as this is the current generation of video games. Last gen was the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360.
I'm not so sure about the CPU as I haven't really been tracking down the data stuff (not very interested), however, it is rumored to be 5x or 3x stronger than last gen. We all know Wii U's first few just some ports, but also some new games, and old franchises such as ZombiU, New Super Mario Bros. U and Nintendo Land.

Cheers. :D :wave:

reches
6th Mar 2014, 10:44
Hello square enix. i would like to make the request to have kingdom hearts in wiiu, i can assure you that with the number of users that there are now at least minimum sold 2 million more suppose you sold 3 million in play 4 and 1 million on Xbox. they would not like to another 2 million or 1.5 millon in sales?. They look to you like to take risks is not true?, because this business is not as risky, and insurance is more than in xboxone.

LordnoctisxLightning
28th Mar 2014, 15:26
If you Wii U owners want to play KH3 so badly, why not just get a next generation console like everyone else who wants it?

Hoshizora_3
9th Jun 2014, 18:59
I'm a Xbox fan myself and feel very happy to have KH3 on my gaming console.
Still dreaming of the possibility of having KH 1.5 and 2.5 on Xbox (hopefully on Xbox 360).
I also own a nintendo 3Ds and played all the Kh games released for it.
I probably won't be getting a wii U, but I think it's fair that they have the game too. It's the only new generation gaming console that won't have it and they deserve it as well!

But guys, instead of complaining others shouldn't have this game, we all should come together to help this amazing game franchise to be available to everyone, regardless of their gaming console. Think about it ;)

Best Regards

silverrulz17
8th Aug 2014, 05:29
I actually do not have a xbox one or ps4 they were out of my price range I think itd be smart to make kingdom hearts 3 for all 3 systems more money to be made right id preorder it the day it was announced (for wii u)

donzaloog
16th Aug 2014, 10:25
Kingdom Hearts III should definitely come to Wii U. With the release of Mario Kart 8 the Wii U has taken second place in the console race and is holding steady. With Hyrule Warriors, Bayonetta II and Smash Bros around the corner the Wii U fanbase is going to skyrocket. Most of the Kingdom Hearts games have been on Nintendo platforms and I've played them all. Having recently beaten the excellent Dream Drop Distance, I'm dying for some more Kingdom Hearts.

There's a much bigger fanbase on Wii U for Kingdom Hearts than there is on Xbox One. Most of the games Square released on 360 bombed. That audience isn't interested in Japanese style games. Bring KH3 and FFXV to Wii U and do it right, no shoddy ports, all features included and it will sell like crack-laced hotcakes.

Tailikku
1st Mar 2015, 05:34
Didn't Nomura once say that he would want to have KH3 on "the successor to the Wii?"