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Katie_Fleming
31st Jul 2003, 12:05
If/when CD develops a Tomb Raider game, will you purchase it? I know it's hard to tell until you actually see what they produce. But some people might be angry and not want to buy anything that wasn't made by Core Design.

I am absolutely furious right now at Eidos. Core made an incredible game (AOD) and Eidos tells them it's no good, so they kick them out of the series and get a new company. I have had no problems with the game what so ever.

In my opinion I will really have to think it through before I suddenly give it up to a company I've never heard of before. Tomb Raider was Core's best game of all time -- now I bet their name is going to disappear.

I am one UNhappy Raider. Thanks for ruining it Eidos

GoranAgar
31st Jul 2003, 12:08
Wait for the first screenshots before you start whining, please.

Katie_Fleming
31st Jul 2003, 12:11
:eek: Don't tell me you're not upset about this. Core is the founder of Tomb Raider. NO ONE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO MATCH WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

John Carter
31st Jul 2003, 12:14
Oh, if it says "Tomb Raider" on it, I'll buy it, regardless of how many previews and reviews may say it is terrible....the FIRST time.

If it ain't Tomb Raider after I play it, well....time for a new hobby, I suppose.

I won't assume CD is going to botch it and spoil the "British Tombraiderliness" of it without playing it first, though, but I will continue to ominously intone "Leave it Lara Croft Tomb Raider, Don't make it "Barb Wire does arkee-o-logy" until I see where the theoretical TR 7 is going, development-wise.

Katie_Fleming
31st Jul 2003, 12:19
Originally posted by John Carter
Oh, if it says "Tomb Raider" on it, I'll buy it, regardless of how many previews and reviews may say it is terrible....the FIRST time.

If it ain't Tomb Raider after I play it, well....time for a new hobby, I suppose.

I won't assume CD is going to botch it and spoil the "British Tombraiderliness" of it without playing it first, though, but I will continue to ominously intone "Leave it Lara Croft Tomb Raider, Don't make it "Barb Wire does arkee-o-logy" until I see where the theoretical TR 7 is going, development-wise.

True, true. I suspect they know if they ruin it that'll be the REAL end for Lara.

We'll all just have to wait and see I guess...does anyone know the site for CD?

Now, didn't Core have the right to say no to Eidos though?

John Carter
31st Jul 2003, 12:25
Now, didn't Core have the right to say no to Eidos though?

Legally, no. Eidos owns Core and Tomb Raider lock, stock, and barrell, and can do with it as they want.

I'm too old to think the law has much to do with justice, however.

Nontheless, I'll keep an open mind until events prove or disprove my concerns. I certainly don't wish CD any ill on this thing, I hope they will keep the things that made TR great and produce a really innovative, new, and enjoyable product that is true to its roots.

Katie_Fleming
31st Jul 2003, 12:27
:o I still can't believe this happened. I don't really know what to think, you know what I mean?

Core has done a fantastic job in every game. It's hard to imagine someone just picking it up where it left off and making a BETTER (in Eidos's mind) TR game.

I have my doubts but we'll all just have to wait TWO MORE YEARS to find out.

:o

Chilled Unit
31st Jul 2003, 13:06
There's a better chance of me buying the next one now that CD is doing it than there was if Core were going to continue that trilogy.

I've said before all of this news broke that the next one would be the first TR where I'd wait and see what reaction was to it before buying.

Now I will wait for some details and screenshots, but there's a better chance of me going straight out and buying it.

moe888uk
31st Jul 2003, 13:22
I am with everyone who thinks lets wait and see the first screenshots etc. I just hope they dont do Lara Croft: the vampire slayer. The legacy of kain connections of CD dont fill me with any enthusiasm. I am sure tho they will play a few Tomb Raiders before they develop their own version. I think the next game will be either really good or really bad.

spanks
31st Jul 2003, 13:50
Originally posted by Katie_Tomb_Raider
NO ONE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO MATCH WHAT THEY'VE DONE. Let's hope not!

You have to understand that you are in the not-so-vast minority of people that like AoD. The average review score for the game was 5/10. 95% of new game releases score better than that!

Core had a responsibility to Eidos to make a game that would be accepted by more people than just a few hard core fans of the franchise like yourself. They failed and they are paying the price for it.

imm0rtalx
31st Jul 2003, 14:02
Originally posted by spanks
Core had a responsibility to Eidos to make a game that would be accepted by more people than just a few hard core fans of the franchise like yourself. They failed and they are paying the price for it.

Even worse, they produced a game that failed to please many of the harcore fans too.
To answer the original question, yes, I'd still buy a new TR regardless
of it's developer, if i and only i, feel it worths.

UK Raider
31st Jul 2003, 14:03
I remember when the very first TR came out and i bought it. It was in the paper that a fairly local company from where i live (birmingham, england) had created this game that was going to change 3d gaming forever. I rushed out and bought it on the strength of that and was hooked from then on, After TR1 and TR2 tho TR has started to loose its roots (in my opinion) and although ive bought and supported every TR game been released, i may think long and hard as to whether i go along with other releases from now.

UK Raider

jodman3
31st Jul 2003, 14:22
NO, I will not buy it! I can't stand eidos now. Wait for screenshots my @#%. They are not that good of developers anyway! Soul reaver was TR with vampiers. They copied TR. I SEE WHY EIDOS PICKED THEM! I don't even want to play the other TR's anymore.
The only reason why some people on this board are ok with the change is because of Lara's breast instead of the gameplay! It's maybe the soul reason you started playing TR!

Katie_Fleming
31st Jul 2003, 14:22
Originally posted by spanks
Let's hope not!

You have to understand that you are in the not-so-vast minority of people that like AoD. The average review score for the game was 5/10. 95% of new game releases score better than that!

Core had a responsibility to Eidos to make a game that would be accepted by more people than just a few hard core fans of the franchise like yourself. They failed and they are paying the price for it.

I don't know why the game got such bad reviews. I'm on the last level now and there hasn't been ANY problems with it what so ever. I would say this is their best game (bug wise).

I just don't get why they "failed" -- because in my mind they succeeded

wgell
31st Jul 2003, 14:28
Katie you have to look at the bigger picture.

While I think AOD was bad it`s not as bad as some make out. I`ve played many much worse games.

However, it is not what it could be and should be and did have many bugs, missing textures, poor level design and all the other faults so many people have pointed out.

You have to look at what game technology is capable of doing these days. Do you as a TR fan not want the game to be cutting edge? I do. And AOD wasn`t.

Core are not up to the job. Plain and simple. Whether CD will be any better remians to be seen.

Chilled Unit
31st Jul 2003, 14:33
Originally posted by jodman3

The only reason why some people on this board are ok with the change is because of Lara's breast instead of the gameplay! It's maybe the soul reason you started playing TR!

If we were going by that, then a bunch of us should be over the moon with AoD, no? :rolleyes:

UNREAL|dave
31st Jul 2003, 14:34
i dont know yet. This morning when i first herd the news i said to myself i wouldn't buy it at all. Like UKraider, i first bought TR coz it was made practically next door to me (Derby, England). It was the only british game i liked playing, and i just hope that CD dont "americanise" it, so to speak.

But i'll wait for the screens to be released and make up my mind then probably. But personally, i think that this decision could be the end for TR as we know it.

Katie_Fleming
31st Jul 2003, 14:36
Originally posted by wgell
Katie you have to look at the bigger picture.

While I think AOD was bad it`s not as bad as some make out. I`ve played many much worse games.

However, it is not what it could be and should be and did have many bugs, missing textures, poor level design and all the other faults so many people have pointed out.

You have to look at what game technology is capable of doing these days. Do you as a TR fan not want the game to be cutting edge? I do. And AOD wasn`t.

Core are not up to the job. Plain and simple. Whether CD will be any better remians to be seen.

Ok, I've considered what you said. I encountered NO bugs, saw a few missing textures (perhaps 2) which isn't a big deal, and as for poor level design? What was wrong with it? I absolutely loved the levels! A bit short, yes, but still very good.

Game technology today is incredible. Name one game that is better than Tomb Raider. In fact, TR is now basically the only game I play, because all the other games have been there, done that -- and are boring, ooh and did I mention the crap graphics?

Katie_Fleming
31st Jul 2003, 14:37
Originally posted by UNREAL|dave
i dont know yet. This morning when i first herd the news i said to myself i wouldn't buy it at all. Like UKraider, i first bought TR coz it was made practically next door to me (Derby, England). It was the only british game i liked playing, and i just hope that CD dont "americanise" it, so to speak.

But i'll wait for the screens to be released and make up my mind then probably. But personally, i think that this decision could be the end for TR as we know it.

Couldn't agree more

TR-AOD
31st Jul 2003, 14:39
i heard a rumour that in the next TR game (made by CD) that instead of fighting a T-Rex it will be a gecho lizard wearing shades.

Katie_Fleming
31st Jul 2003, 14:42
Originally posted by TR-AOD
i heard a rumour that in the next TR game (made by CD) that instead of fighting a T-Rex it will be a gecho lizard wearing shades.

That's not even funny...this whole deal is making me sick

Nathan584
31st Jul 2003, 15:01
i say hopefully they can make a better game
i mean AOD could have been a lot better...

glasgoo
31st Jul 2003, 15:23
Will BUY! I'm sure they know what they are doing, core was ****in up lately, yes AOD, had lot's of good , but seems not enough. Anyway, a lot of folks that were there from day1 of TR left in the meantime, so... we'll see

***Terra***
31st Jul 2003, 16:15
Even though I'm not the happiest at the news, I'm still gonna buy the next game - everything'll turn out ok!

JohnRaider
31st Jul 2003, 16:31
Originally posted by TR-AOD
i heard a rumour that in the next TR game (made by CD) that instead of fighting a T-Rex it will be a gecho lizard wearing shades.

I know everyone is very serious about this issue, but as corney as it sounds I just had too giggle. :p

Mangar The Dark
31st Jul 2003, 16:32
Originally posted by Katie_Tomb_Raider
That's not even funny...this whole deal is making me sick

First of all, we're talking about a video game, not a world crisis or cruelty to animals or wife-beating or anything like that. If it's making you sick, you really need to put things in perspective.

Second of all, if you want the TR games to live on, you should be HAPPY about this change. Core failed with AOD (and many fans would say they failed with Chronicles too.) I know you liked AOD, and I know some other people did. But a company can't continue to produce games that are only enjoyed by a small percentage of people. That's not how to make money, and without money, no more games. Yes, plenty of people still bought AOD, but will they buy a sequel? Not as likely. Even die-hard TR fans such as myself and several others on this forum said we would have to think seriously before buying another game in this series.

It remains to be seen whether CD can improve things, but I'm all in favor of giving them a chance. When I hand over my fifty dollars, I want to get a good, high-quality, polished game. I don't care if there's a Core logo on the box. Hell, I don't care if it comes in a brown paper bag with "TR7" scrawled in crayon on it. All I care about is the quality of the game I'll be playing. And if CD can deliver a great game, then through word of mouth, the TR series has a chance of being a smash hit again, and that means MORE TR GAMES-- something to be HAPPY about.

Oh, so in answer to the question of this thread-- Yes, I will definitely buy it if it looks like a good game. Why wouldn't I?

wgell
31st Jul 2003, 18:22
In fact, TR is now basically the only game I play, [

Need I say anymore?

TRMondo
31st Jul 2003, 18:48
Er... no.

My main reason is that TR7 will no longer really feature Lara Croft. Looking at the quality of the character designs in other Crystal Dynamics games I'd say this "fake" Lara will resemble a funnily shaped turnip and animate like a barbie doll.

Either that or they'll have to 'scan' in some butch, sillicon, US porn star actress - the upside of this idea is that you'll get the Nude raider patch with the game! Oooh.

midroth
31st Jul 2003, 19:28
I'm a die-hard fan of Lara and my "solution" is this:
If I see that CD was working proper FOR Lara, I'll buy the game.
But if I see that CD just used Lara to make money, I'll NOT buy the game.

This isn't change the fact that I would buy a Lara game by Core 'blind'.

Mgardiner
31st Jul 2003, 20:11
Another one of these threads? ugh...you people complain that core skrewed up on TR:AOD and it's buggy...etc... but then when it gets taken from Core and given to a developer than can do it right and FIX Tomb Raider and bring it back to the state that it use to be in TR1 and TR2 you complain, rant and b***h. Core skrewed up..big deal... the whole "Iam not gonna buy TR because core isnt making it" is such BS...it shouldnt matter...and plus we havent even seen what Crystal Dynamics is going to do with Tomb Raider yet. Crystal Dynamics is well known for its excellent stories, gameplay, characters. It is quite possible CrystalD can do it right. Another thing, the whole Anti-U.S.A thing...they're nothing but action fanatics...grow the hell up.

Chilled Unit
31st Jul 2003, 20:19
This misguided patriotism is getting real old real quickly.

Some of it saddens me, I'm a brit, proud to be a brit, but gee get over yourselves.

Well, if you all write the CD effort off before you see it, your loss, I'll judge it on it's gaming merits no matter who makes it.

Katie_Fleming
31st Jul 2003, 22:52
I didn't say I wouldn't give them a chance, but it's hard to see how a new company (whom I have never heard of and supposed to have made really bad games) take over the whole Tomb Raider series.

Who knows? They might make a stunning game, but what saddens me most is the attitude that Eidos took towards Core.

felixthamuss
1st Aug 2003, 00:00
Like someone said before - "If its got Tomb Raider on the cover - I'll buy it". So will I.

I don't give a stuff who makes it - as long as we all can keep playing and 'hopefully' enjoying Lara.

ahch2003
1st Aug 2003, 00:00
Personally: YES I DO. I ever want a good product, not mistakes or some company┬┤s problems.

LCTR
1st Aug 2003, 00:06
They Better Not Make It Cell Shaded!

nowalruses
1st Aug 2003, 00:14
Yes.

First of all, I don't think Eidos will allow CD to get too far out there with the game. I'm sure Eidos' specs call for a real live TR game and CD will do their best to deliver.

Second, as a bunch of gamers themselves, you know the folks at CD have been hanging at the water cooler for years saying, "If I ever got my hands on Tomb Raider I'd...". Well, now's their big chance. I don't really think Eidos would have given them the franchise if they hadn't expressed some interest in it in the first place. They've probably been salivating over it for years.

Third, I intend to be fair to CD, TR, and ME (me) by giving them a chance to impress me. I'd hate to miss out on a really great TR adventure just because I was being a big, closeminded, crybaby.

So, yes I'll play...And, in the meantime I hope Core has a chance to put out something great and prove they're still a gaming force to be reckoned with.

Lord Pomposity
1st Aug 2003, 00:15
After AoD, I'll buy this because Core has nothing to do with it.

SVT_03
1st Aug 2003, 00:44
Well, the name Tomb Raider is a HUGE magnet when it comes to things getting my attention. As I saw another say here, if it says Tomb Raider, I'll probably get it. Same goes for me.

One thing maybe positive here, is having fresh minds develop the next Tomb Raider game. Maybe Core was getting burned out on coming up with ideas and just fell flat. Think about it this way................. It's like giving the job of developing the game to you and me, who love the game, but haven't had to spend thousands of tedious hours making and designing levels. Now we have fresh people, with all these great ideas for levels, and they are just dieing to get a crack at making a Tomb Raider game. A longshot I know, but I want to keep thinking positive. :D

ahch2003
1st Aug 2003, 00:50
Agreed! IFinally happend: I say that CORE cant continue making TR games... and looks now!! hehe. Now: Im still a lier??

I know about games, really. But nobody here knows my.

I say before and is true now...... hehe

Dead_Angel
1st Aug 2003, 00:56
Originally posted by ahch2003
Agreed! IFinally happend: I say that CORE cant continue making TR games... and looks now!! hehe. Now: Im still a lier??

I know about games, really. But nobody here knows my.

I say before and is true now...... hehe

hmm...im watching you ahch2003...im watching.... :: runs aways and trips over soda can :: ...heh... :: cough :: im watching....







sorry to get off topic...but...uh...I still think that C.D. taking over the t.r. series is a good..move..thingy...:D

Mgardiner
1st Aug 2003, 01:43
You know it's quite possible that Crystal Dynamics will go back and play Tomb Raider 1-AOD and then go from there following with the new story line plus implementing some of there own stuff..I dont know about you but Iam quite excited to see what they are going to do..more so then when Core was gonna do something.

blincoln
1st Aug 2003, 02:19
I'm not a TR fan myself, but you can trust Crystal to make a good game. They've made just about every kind there is, and there is something unique and interesting about each one - even if it may not have been my kind of genre.

Crystal actually did something similar with the Legacy of Kain series - the first game (Blood Omen) started out as a project by a separate company (although Crystal sent a bunch of staff up to Canada to help them finish it off). Everything else has been just by them, and IMO they've done an excellent job.

WesternWhiteWolf
1st Aug 2003, 03:00
C'mon everybody, lighten up!!! Just because it's not Core that'll make the TR games anymore doesn't mean it'll be bad. I'm sure that CD are excited to be able to make a TR game and will try their hardest to make the best one yet!!! Think positive. I'm definitely going to buy it and see how everything goes. If it's good-let's celebrate! If it's bad, we'll blame Eidos for choosing a poor developer. But don't say you won't buy it, 'cause you make be depriving yourself of a great experience.

Oh, as for American's attitudes: Being American myself, I can directly observe the behavior of other Americans. But I am also extremely cynical and bitter, so I believe that average Americans are sex-orientated and selfish (PLEASE note that I am CYNICAL, so therefore don't take the previous comment seriously, and that I'm not your average American!!;) ). But I know that most Americans don't want to offend other nations, so you can certainly hope that they won't Americanize it (though I'm not guaranteeing anything).

nowalruses
1st Aug 2003, 04:41
Originally posted by WesternWhiteWolf
C'mon everybody, lighten up!!! Just because it's not Core that'll make the TR games anymore doesn't mean it'll be bad. I'm sure that CD are excited to be able to make a TR game and will try their hardest to make the best one yet!!! Think positive. I'm definitely going to buy it and see how everything goes. If it's good-let's celebrate! If it's bad, we'll blame Eidos for choosing a poor developer. But don't say you won't buy it, 'cause you make be depriving yourself of a great experience.

Oh, as for American's attitudes: Being American myself, I can directly observe the behavior of other Americans. But I am also extremely cynical and bitter, so I believe that average Americans are sex-orientated and selfish (PLEASE note that I am CYNICAL, so therefore don't take the previous comment seriously, and that I'm not your average American!!;) ). But I know that most Americans don't want to offend other nations, so you can certainly hope that they won't Americanize it (though I'm not guaranteeing anything).


One good thing about Americans (I'm one too) is that they are probably more financially motivated than almost any other culture in the world....Which means I'm sure they'll listen good and try to give the fans exacxtly what they want, so they can sell a bundle.:D

knightgames
1st Aug 2003, 12:06
LOL................ a talking gecko...........


Actually Gex was a pretty well designed game. It's 3D world was immersive as well as being fun to explore. Heck it looked darn nice on a PS I.
As an aside....... the biggest problem with AOD for me wasn't the texture or graphical mistakes. It wasn't so much the level design.
The biggest problem was that the developers dumbed down its play mechanics. What do I mean you ask? Well do you remember the nice large levels to explore and spelunk? Do you remember trying to find out EVERY secret? The vehicles? The vines (tho honestly not my favirite thing in the games)? The side flips? The step back and jump? The somewhat unlinear way you went about certain tasks? I miss those things!!!!!!!!!
Many of these things weren't included in the game NOT because they were old and worn out, but because the control interface was prohibitive.

AS an example........... Do you remember being dropped off by the helocopter in the beginning of TR II? There was a sequence in the Great Wall that you had get the secret by picking it up before the spikes rip you to shreds? then run to escape the fallen floor and swinging blades? DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD HAVE THE DEXTERITY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT USING THE NEW CONTROLS? Or to dodge rolling boulders? Or fire breathing statues?

The new control scheme wouldnt allow for what we (or I should say I) were expecting from Lara.

AOD was not the exploring Lara we know. But the control system was too stifling to allow for what TR fans wanted in a shiny new suit.

Another thing was the length of the levels....... go down a path, hit a timed switch to run and jump.......... end of level.....WTF?

I played AOD. I didn't like it. Hall of Seasons was a good level. There were a few other standout levels. But on a whole....
(I hate to sound like a Red Sox fan BUT) wait till #7 with Crystal Dynamics.

Katie_Fleming
1st Aug 2003, 14:55
:o I think it just came so unexpectedly that it was a huge shock to take in all at once! :o

Wow, I'd hate to see Core get smuthered away in the shadows now because Tomb Raider was their top selling game.

I'll give CD a chance, you'd have to be stupid not to, but lets just hope they can pull it off...we'll just have to wait 2 years. :mad: lol

Ok, forget it -- I'm not that mad anymore, maybe they can bring life into TR again with more action like before.

I think it's just natural to be skeptical when someone new, or a new company takes over.

UK Raider
1st Aug 2003, 15:05
Originally posted by Mgardiner
Another one of these threads? ugh...you people complain that core skrewed up on TR:AOD and it's buggy...etc... but then when it gets taken from Core and given to a developer than can do it right and FIX Tomb Raider and bring it back to the state that it use to be in TR1 and TR2 you complain, rant and b***h. Core skrewed up..big deal... the whole "Iam not gonna buy TR because core isnt making it" is such BS...it shouldnt matter...and plus we havent even seen what Crystal Dynamics is going to do with Tomb Raider yet. Crystal Dynamics is well known for its excellent stories, gameplay, characters. It is quite possible CrystalD can do it right. Another thing, the whole Anti-U.S.A thing...they're nothing but action fanatics...grow the hell up.

Give it to a company that can do it right??..........who the hell gave us TR1 and TR2 in the first place???.

2 of the best games ever created was by core/eidos so why has all the others since then not came up to the standards of 1 and 2?.

UK Raider

Katie_Fleming
1st Aug 2003, 15:15
Originally posted by Mgardiner
Another one of these threads? ugh...you people complain that core skrewed up on TR:AOD and it's buggy...etc... but then when it gets taken from Core and given to a developer than can do it right and FIX Tomb Raider and bring it back to the state that it use to be in TR1 and TR2 you complain, rant and b***h. Core skrewed up..big deal... the whole "Iam not gonna buy TR because core isnt making it" is such BS...it shouldnt matter...and plus we havent even seen what Crystal Dynamics is going to do with Tomb Raider yet. Crystal Dynamics is well known for its excellent stories, gameplay, characters. It is quite possible CrystalD can do it right. Another thing, the whole Anti-U.S.A thing...they're nothing but action fanatics...grow the hell up.

First off, I NEVER have complained that "Core skrewed" (it's actually spelled screwed) up AOD. I absoutely love the game. I've only come across 2 bugs that did NOT affect gameplay.

And with the whole "I'm not gonna buy TR because core isn't making it" is not crap. That's like giving you the pen to write MY stories...which obviously wouldn't work so well. :p

You're right -- we haven't seen what CD can do -- but a lot of people have complained of the horrible games that they HAVE made.

And as for "growing the hell up?" Who is the one who's blown this whole thread out of porportion? At least we're able to have a normal conversation without squeezing each others necks.

Mangar The Dark
1st Aug 2003, 15:20
Originally posted by UK Raider
Give it to a company that can do it right??..........who the hell gave us TR1 and TR2 in the first place???.

2 of the best games ever created was by core/eidos so why has all the others since then not came up to the standards of 1 and 2?.

UK Raider

Yeah, Core's track record has been spotty. I mean, TR1 was great, and nothing can take that away from them. TR2 was a pretty lame follow-up, TR3 was pretty decent, but they didn't really impress me again until TR4. Then TR5 seemed kind of feeble, and AOD was, well, you know...

But to give credit where it's deserved, they did a fantastic job with Project Eden. In many respects, I think PE outdid the TR games with better graphics, better puzzles, teamplay elements, and great atmosphere all around. Hey, maybe now that they're not working on any more TR games, they can make a new PE game! (yeah, I know, that's highly unlikely, but I can dream, can't I?)

Katie_Fleming
1st Aug 2003, 17:32
Originally posted by Mangar The Dark
Yeah, Core's track record has been spotty. I mean, TR1 was great, and nothing can take that away from them. TR2 was a pretty lame follow-up, TR3 was pretty decent, but they didn't really impress me again until TR4. Then TR5 seemed kind of feeble, and AOD was, well, you know...

But to give credit where it's deserved, they did a fantastic job with Project Eden. In many respects, I think PE outdid the TR games with better graphics, better puzzles, teamplay elements, and great atmosphere all around. Hey, maybe now that they're not working on any more TR games, they can make a new PE game! (yeah, I know, that's highly unlikely, but I can dream, can't I?)

Yeah, that's true -- I'd hate to see Core disappear all together

D3v1L80Y
1st Aug 2003, 18:23
What matters to me is not who creates/releases the game, but rather the game itself. Just because CORE isn't making the next game is no cause for alarm. I welcome the change as the game can only be an improvement from the most recent release. Franchises like TR change hands all the time. I remember when people were up in arms about Star Wars toys changing from Kenner to Hasbro. I loved those toys as a kid when they were made by Kenner, but I can see a drastic improvement in them since Hasbro took the reigns. Sure action figures are not the same as a video game. That isn't the point. Think of how many different companies manufacture and market things for the same movie/TV show/game/sports team/comic/etc...it would boggle your mind. That doesn't necessarily make some things 'bad' or 'inferior' just because they aren't made by the same place. The bottom line is, the only thing that matters is the game, not the company who makes it.

moe888uk
1st Aug 2003, 18:36
Well T3 hasnt been directed by the same director of T2. Look how that turned out to be.

tomb_raiding
1st Aug 2003, 19:49
I think Eidos already made the dission (how in hell do write that :D) and we can't do anything about, but to wait and see CD's work

:)

Deekman
6th Aug 2003, 17:15
Oh for crying out loud.
Would it matter if somebody other than Sony did the next Spiderman flick?
Would it matter if Marvel tried their hand at Batman? (It's been done, and
quite well, I might add. Company crossovers are not uncommon in the comix biz.)
I would think that it wouldn't matter who produced the next Tomb Raider game.
The important thing is that there will be one.
Whether you like it or not, heads can roll when a job doesn't get done.
AOD was supposed to be out last year, remember? Core was the one, not Eidos, who should have had the bugs fixed in the time allotted.
When I started buying the Tomb Raider games, I bought them because they
were Tomb Raider games. Not because the were a product of Core.
Now, if Crystal D screws up, that's another story. One that cannot be told yet.
But what if they come up the best ever TR game? Not gonna buy it because its not Core?
Fine by me. I'll still buy it.

D3v1L80Y
6th Aug 2003, 17:39
I could not have said it any better myself, DEEKMAN....it makes me feel better to know that there are logical people like you and I.

John Carter
7th Aug 2003, 11:58
Originally posted by tomb_raiding
I think Eidos already made the dission (how in hell do write that :D) and we can't do anything about, but to wait and see CD's work

:)


decision

Deekman
7th Aug 2003, 12:07
Originally posted by D3v1L80Y
I could not have said it any better myself..
Actually, you said it quite well with the Kenner/Hasbro ananlogy.
I was just sorta expanding on what you said.

It's the item that counts.

phoniex
7th Aug 2003, 13:19
Originally posted by GoranAgar
Wait for the first screenshots before you start whining, please.

Katie_Fleming
7th Aug 2003, 14:41
Ooh I'll wait for the screenshots, but let me remind you of something.

When the screenshots for AOD first came out -- EVERYONE loved them and thought they were great, then you got the game and complained that it sucked.

Go figure

Notts Raider
7th Aug 2003, 18:03
I will buy anygame with tomb raider on it. I have Soul reaver to play by CD so i'll get a better idea of how they think

Dani_Lover
8th Aug 2003, 02:17
I would like to remind people that the best recieved Tomb Raider game in recent years was Tomb Raider: The Prophecy which was developed for GBA by Ubi Soft, not Core. I played that game and really enjoyed it, it gives me hope for the future with CD. Core has been working on it for too long, TR needs to be seen through a new set of eyes, hopefully CD will step back look at everything that needs to be done, address all the complaints and make a game on par with TR1 and 2. It's not impossible, I personally think that chances of success are better with a new developer. Don't forget CD has a lot to prove with this new Tomb Raider game, it's gonna make or break them so you can expect them to put a huge effort into it.
EVAN

xMovingPicturesx
9th Aug 2003, 00:45
Finally after several tries and several weeks of waiting I've gotten an activation link for an account to these forums. About damn time.

I'm actually more willing to buy it now that its not done by Core to be honest. It's a rude thing to say but over the past 7 years that Tomb Raider has existed, my patience has slowly wore thin with Core Design and their lack to bring anything truly new or innovative to the series or the world of gaming. All games after the first were rushed in order to fit some kind of financial demand by the looks of things and you may say Tomb Raider 2 was not, but look at the year it was released, it was coded/released in only a year after the original Tomb Raider. After that..it was a new game every year.

Core has had a bad history of dumbing down the gameplay mechanics and leaving out promised things to meet the Christmas demands. If I remember right the talking feature in AOD was promised all the way back in Tomb Raider 3. Lets also point out that Lara's Diary..a helpful feature promised in the 4th incarnation of the series was completely removed with no sign of it anywhere. Amazing levels that you see in early screenshots or in the back of the box in screenshots are nowhere to be found in the game, not even through a secret passage of some sort, Core cheated us out of awesome sequels.

You can be a fanboy and stick up for the series but if you truly think about it we shouldnt even be on the 8th game right now. Thats totally pathetic. Final Fantasy might have 12 games in the series but at least they arent really sequels yet a completely different game all over with each release. Core should of spent at least 3 years on each game and made them more then mere updates to the last game. That way..we'd have at the most 3-4 TRUE SEQUELS in the series right now (Not counting the GB and GBA games not even developed by core) instead of what I consider, expansion packs to Tomb Raider 1.

Thats one very harsh accusation there, but I looked back at all the games Core have given us and they are barely sequels if you look at it. You want a true sequel? Look at Half Life 2. They at least rewrote the engine completely like Core SHOULD have done instead of tweaking it only a little and releasing a game every year. Simply re-writing an engine and only spending one year on each game (with the exception of AOD which has no excuse to not be good for it has had 3 years in it) is not only lazy but also disrespectful to the fans of the series.

Every game after the first has been rushed and not given the proper attention it needs. Even Angel Of Darkness which had THREE yes THREE years of production in it was rushed after countless delays. Delays that could of been avoided had Core done their job. If you dont believe my statement there, read the thread somewhere in the TR AOD forums that lists all the missing features/dialouge/items and even areas that were found by hacking files on the PC Cd, its a complete and total farce that Core let the series rot that horribly.

By the way it looks, it appears that Core just gave up on developing the 6th game and released a product that was half decent. It made me upset to read what Tomb Raider could of been from the countless things that were found half done by hacking the PC files and then see what it turned out to be, which is a game that doesnt even live up to some hardcore fans' standards.

Whoever thought at Core that Tomb Raider: AOD was finished and what it was hyped up to be deserves to be slapped. I havent even PLAYED the 6th game despite playing all the others (*waits for someone to say I have no right to speak then*) but from reading the reviews of countless hardcore fans and seeing how many things were left out of the game from that one thread, I know the game is junk.

Face it AOD lovers... Would Eidos have stripped Core of their rights to make Tomb Raider if Angel Of Darkness was phenominal? No. Something had to be terribly wrong here for Core to just totally lose their rights to the series, and after seeing that Core cant even make a nice product after 3 years of development which is plenty of time, I tip my hats off to Eidos for passing the gloves to another developer.

Hopefully Crystal Dynamics, will at least take into consideration what a total joke the series has become in the gaming community and make every attempt to give Lara back her crown.

Trust me..I grew up on Tombraider as I am only 16, and I am just completely disappointed with what Core did to the series with AOD. I had such high hopes for this game and then after seeing it get TERRIBLE reviews from the fans and seeing all they left out I completely lost faith in Core.

I'm usually not pessimistic, but Core...you just wore my patience way too much. If I'm gonna pay 50 bucks for a game, even Tomb Raider..it better at least be done right and not made poorly.

The right move here would be to completely make a new graphics and game engine. Sounds crazy but its a good idea especially if the graphics, gameplay and overall dynamics of the game would benefit from it.

Keep in mind, its all about being absolutely amazing in the gaming industry now, and like it or not, the new TR was not that in the least. Tomb Raider needs to have extremely good graphics (TR:AOD is nice but could be better), and awesome controls as well as tons of gameplay value. People have complained of this since the 4th game and its about time they address it.

I bow down to CD in respect and only hope the best for this series. Hopefully CD(note that Core and Crystal have the same initials, how interesting) knows what they are doing and can release the game that Core never did.

If only Crystal Dynamics could be making a directors cut of AOD with all the features Core Design lazily left out. I believe the game seriously needs to be actually FINISHED so it can get the recognition it should have in the first place. Shame that may never happen.

Katie_Fleming
9th Aug 2003, 01:32
Only 50 bucks? Try 80!

Katie_Fleming
9th Aug 2003, 01:33
Only 50 bucks? Try 80!

*continues to read your post*

xMovingPicturesx
9th Aug 2003, 05:24
Originally posted by Katie_Tomb_Raider
Only 50 bucks? Try 80!

*continues to read your post*

Exactly, and if its 80 dollars for you, you should get an 80 dollar product. Bottom line.

Katie_Fleming
9th Aug 2003, 15:32
Originally posted by xMovingPicturesx
Exactly, and if its 80 dollars for you, you should get an 80 dollar product. Bottom line.

And that's exactly what I got :)

xMovingPicturesx
11th Aug 2003, 03:39
Originally posted by Katie_Tomb_Raider
And that's exactly what I got :)

Well I'm glad you like it, I'm just sick and tired of hearing all this bad press about Tomb Raider all the time. Everyone praised the first game and then as time went on and they used the same engine, the public and press found the series nothing but laughable and not half of what it used to be.

Then AOD comes out and everyone's excited. The press opens the game up and finds out that its what they consider "unfinished and unpolished" and that its nothing like what it was supposed to be.

Everyone says the new game feels rushed, and opinion or not..a true masterpiece wouldnt have that feeling.

felixthamuss
11th Aug 2003, 04:30
Originally posted by xMovingpicturesx
I havent even PLAYED the 6th game despite playing all the others (*waits for someone to say I have no right to speak then*) but from reading the reviews of countless hardcore fans and seeing how many things were left out of the game from that one thread, I know the game is junk.

So you havn't actually played the game yet, but can post a short novel about it?? Do yourself a favour, play the game then come back and voice your opinion PLEASE.

I did the same as you, read all the garbage, and got really downheartened about AOD. BUT I did buy the game, I'm now on my second time round playing it and actually like it a hell of alot. Yes so it is a bit short, the puzzles are a bit too easy, nothing compared to previous games. The graphics are pretty good, the storyline is excellent, Lara looks fantastic but playing as Kurtis sucks.

I have the PS2 version and have not experienced one glitch or any other mentioned problem that has affected game play.

As with all games there will always be haters and lovers, and high expectations disappointed.

Katie_Fleming
11th Aug 2003, 15:26
Originally posted by felixthamuss
So you havn't actually played the game yet, but can post a short novel about it?? Do yourself a favour, play the game then come back and voice your opinion PLEASE.

*stands up and claps*

Woo hoo! Tell 'em! :D

Katie_Fleming
11th Aug 2003, 15:28
Originally posted by felixthamuss
As with all games there will always be haters and lovers, and high expectations disappointed.

Very true. It's just too bad that Eidos had to put their thumb down and call it quits for core.

LARAMANIAC
12th Aug 2003, 15:59
Like a lot of my fellow Brits, I am worried that the 'Britishness' of Tomb Raider maybe being lost, but of course I will give Crystal Dynamics a chance. Everyone deserves at least one! To be honest I don't think that they will change the essence of Lara, they would be silly to do so. I was very worried when they cast an American in the role of Lara in the first movie, worries that needn't have bothered me, Ms Jolie did a fine job as Lara, and her accent was impeccable. So basically, so long as CD put in the work I think we will be pleasantly surprised.

As a friend of mine said earlier, if its got Tomb Raider on it I'll buy it, if I'm unhappy then I, too, will find a new hobby!! ;)

Tomb Raider Fan
12th Aug 2003, 18:19
Yea i agree! To be honest i don't give a damn who makes the Tomb Raiders.. :rolleyes: Like Lara_Maniac said as long as it has Tobm raider on it i'll buy it.. I have bought every one of the Tomb Raiders and i aint gonna not buy the 7th n 8th Tomb Raider just cos some other company took over. Even if people have moaned about some of the screens they have seen and when they buy the game and it is rubbish and it is getting ratings such as 3.5/4 (Yea that bad) then i dont care cos iam still gonna buy the game lol :D

But u never no what Crystal Dynamics have up their sleeve (Except for the couple of dirty hankerchiefs) :D U never no.................THEY MIGHT EVEN BE BETTER THAN CORE!!!!!!!! WE DON'T EVEN NO YET!!!

;)

euphoric
13th Aug 2003, 16:25
I have to give it a chance .......Angelina wont let me down!:D

xMovingPicturesx
15th Aug 2003, 00:03
Originally posted by Katie_Tomb_Raider
*stands up and claps*

Woo hoo! Tell 'em! :D

I'm not a hater though? :confused:

I'm just kind of disappointed with the bad press all the games have received. I know I'll probably like AOD as I've liked 1-5 but I just hope Crystal D. implements all the things AOD was supposed to have, I just don't want Lara being out of business if you get my drift.

A dead raider is not a good raider. So hopefully Crystal D. makes the critics shutup and the gamers come in.

Lara needs to be #1 again!

felixthamuss
16th Aug 2003, 07:47
I'm not a hater though?

Fair enough mate I/we didn't suggest that you were!
I'm just full up to here *taps top of head* of people giving the game a hard rap when they haven't even seen or played it.


Lara needs to be #1 again!

I whole heartedly agree with you. I really, really hope that CD does Tomb Raider justice, because I for one, don't want to see AOD as the last Tomb Raider.

Raider of tombs
16th Aug 2003, 17:13
I think give CD a chance but can't eidos let core make TR7 aswell and then pick the best or sell then as one so you play CD's and core's and then pick the best.:D

LARAMANIAC
18th Aug 2003, 14:53
Originally posted by euphoric
I have to give it a chance .......Angelina wont let me down!:D

How does Angelina enter into this part of the equation dear???? :confused:

io_
23rd Aug 2003, 05:06
well i heard CD is a part of core/eidos so i think i well buy i mean just becasue someone else has the rights to make the next tr game shouldn't matter lets wait till we see the first screen shot.