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Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 02:52
......by Cate Archer, in No One Lives Forever 2. That game is a year older and 10 times better in every way. Graphics, gameplay, sound, performance, and DEFINITELY, completeness and "bug-free-ness".

You want to play a good game? Get one of the NOLF games....heck, get both.

Lots of info and screenshots here (http://www.nolfgirl.com/).

NOLF2
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http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/cate03.jpg

In Game NOLF2

Ugly pic from some prerelease version someone posted later in this thread.
http://www.avault.com/news/screenshots/nolf210.jpg

How it really looks!
http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolfII11.jpg

Show me amazing, crystal clear detail like this anywhere in TR-DOA
http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolfII12.jpg

http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolfII13.jpg

Wham! Pinned to the wall!
http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolfII14.jpg

Not only do the bodies NOT BLINK and disappear.........
http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolfII15.jpg

.........but you can pick them up and move them! TR-DOA Ownt!
http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolfII16.jpg

felixthamuss
23rd Jul 2003, 03:02
WOW! Looks awesome. I am loving AOD, but what will I play when it's over?? I always get stuck on finding games to play that I like. Is this on PS2 or only for the PC?

Lil Lara
23rd Jul 2003, 03:07
Im pretty sure it's available for PS2... looks great!

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 03:14
The first one was/is available for PS2 (PSone?), but as far as I know the second is only PC. Don't quote me on that.

Here's another from NOLF2

http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/cate01.jpg

maniac44
23rd Jul 2003, 04:01
And the No One Lives Forever series is really pretty funny as well. Part of the fun of the game is sneaking up on a couple of baddies and listen to their conversations.

I'd recommend it highly. (it is a First Person Shooter, though)

felixthamuss
23rd Jul 2003, 04:15
Have to keep a look out for it - might ring my friends at Electronics Boutiqe!!

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 04:51
Yeah, it is a first person game, but don't let that bother you if you usually don't care for them. It is very much about exploring and finding all the secreted "intelligence" items. They are funny as can be too.

The NOLF series is just pure class.

Mgardiner
23rd Jul 2003, 05:21
Hmm I change my stance from Please let Kurtis die...please to Please let Elvin Presler go away..please...lowsy troll.

XanderD2
23rd Jul 2003, 05:28
Originally posted by maniac44
And the No One Lives Forever series is really pretty funny as well. Part of the fun of the game is sneaking up on a couple of baddies and listen to their conversations.

I'd recommend it highly. (it is a First Person Shooter, though)

It is a First Person Sneaker :) (There is a heavy emphasis on stealth - avoiding cameras, guards, searchlights and whatnot - in NOLF2).

But I agree, it's a great game. Highly recommended!

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 05:51
Originally posted by Mgardiner
Hmm I change my stance from Please let Kurtis die...please to Please let Elvin Presler go away..please...lowsy troll.

L.O.L. http://www.theforumz.com/forumz/images/icons/kisswink.gif

Nah, I just figured if you're like me and just played the gaming abomination TRAOD, you would be looking for a real game to play now. One that has some quality, and actual gameplay rather than a bug dodging obstacle course...like this level from NOLF 1, where you have to skydive to the guy below you and acquire his parachute after your plane is wrecked.

http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolf03.jpg

http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolf04.jpg

http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolf05.jpg

GoranAgar
23rd Jul 2003, 06:09
Originally posted by Elvin Presler
Graphics[/u].
You believe the graphics are better? You so lost it, dude. Computergamess are not good for your nerves.

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 06:36
Oh, heck yes! The graphics in NOLF2 are unarguably better, by far! The character models in NOLF1 are even much better than any in TRAOD with the exception of Lara herself. The rest of TRAOD's characters (all 3 or 4 of them :rolleyes: ) are horrible.

I mean half of them in TRAOD don't even have half of their textures at all! :confused: Pffffft!

CatSuit&Ponytail
23rd Jul 2003, 09:14
Yeah, her hands are very well modeled. :p It's nice to see them in game all the time.

Ringwraith6
23rd Jul 2003, 10:11
I love NOLF, it is one of my all time favorite PC games (try Clyve Barker's Undying which is my all time fave PC game) BUT come one man you can't compare it with AOD because IT'S A GAME OF A DIFFERENT GENRE it's like comparing potatos with oranges. Heck if that's the way you wanna play it GO BUY ISS PRO EVOLUTION 2 IT IS WAY BETTER THAN AOD!! (The fact that it is a bloody footy game sure won't bother you much...)

tomb_raiding
23rd Jul 2003, 10:16
Hey this Game looks like a rip off another game I can't remember its name (Or maybe a movie) :rolleyes:

moe888uk
23rd Jul 2003, 10:25
I prefer NightFire

RebeL_fARmeR
23rd Jul 2003, 11:48
Yeah, but who ROCKS more? The always stylish Lara Croft or a big, fat Scottish guy with an orange beard and a nasty rash?

moe888uk
23rd Jul 2003, 14:27
Lara has a better dressing sense.

Plus, those pics are probably just FMV pics, I will stick to Bond games if I wana play a game of this genre.

TRaiderGurl
23rd Jul 2003, 14:59
I remember "the Operative No One Lives Forever" that game is great. I played that while waiting for AOD to come out. The great 60's like james bond music 'Nobody lives forevvvvveeeerrrr' great stuff.

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 18:10
Originally posted by Ringwraith6
...you can't compare it with AOD because IT'S A GAME OF A DIFFERENT GENRE it's like comparing potatos with oranges...

Sure you can. It doesn't matter if one is 3rd person and the other is 1st person. Big deal. They are both games. Games with a female lead character, where you shoot stuff, explore, search for ways to complete each level.

Only one (NOLF 1 and 2) does it well, with no bugs, lots of fun and humor, and very good graphics and performance.

The other (TRDOA) does it horribly with MASSIVE bugs, completely unfinished and unpolished gameplay, very dated looking graphics (except for Lara and a couple nice effects added on top), and bug ridden HORRIBLE performance even on big, beefy gaming rigs.


Originally posted by moe888uk
Lara has a better dressing sense.

Plus, those pics are probably just FMV pics.

They are. The game's cut scenes are EXACTLY like the in game graphics. These pics don't even show the nice graphics by the way. These are just pics of Cate, not the killer water effects and foliage, all characters equally well detailed, etc., etc., etc. Also most of them are from 3 year old game. I am refering to NOLF2 when comparing graphics. The gameplay, however, is not even in the same league. TRDOA has none, NOLF1/2 has tons.

Mgardiner
23rd Jul 2003, 18:36
Gameplay on a First person shooter out scored TR:AOD? No bloody likely...lets see run...fire...run some more..more baddies....fire.... Hell If I wanted mindless killing I wouldnt play some 60's reject Id go play UT2k3 where the action is at. Most of us play TR (despite the bugs) because we love the character and how we can get involved. Hell in some cases Ive tried every means possible NOT to get Lara hurt etc...the true fans are on this board not some back-water TR bashin punk.

maniac44
23rd Jul 2003, 19:05
Originally posted by Mgardiner
Gameplay on a First person shooter out scored TR:AOD? No bloody likely...

Let's look at a neutral source for a comparison (gamerankings.com).
The PC version of AoD has a current rating of 49%
The PC version of No One Lives Forever has a rating of 89.7%
The PC version of No One Lives Forever 2 has a rating of 91%

Last time I looked, 89.7% and 91% are bigger (better, far better) numbers than 49%

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 19:19
HAHAHAHAHAH! Damn straight!

The PC version of No One Lives Forever 2 has a rating of 91%
The PC version of No One Lives Forever has a rating of 89.7%
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The PC version of AoD has a current rating of 49% - (and this is being generous considering no one even has a finished version of the game to review)

tomb_raiding
23rd Jul 2003, 21:37
Oh My God Elvin you truly HATE TR games, :eek:

TR-AOD
23rd Jul 2003, 21:41
i prefered Bloodrayne myself, another jiggly boobed, dual gunned cyber babe, whose back flip is even more lethal than lara's.

Mgardiner
23rd Jul 2003, 21:44
Another thing? you think NOLF1/2 looks so damn great? I find TR looks a hell of a lot better. Here's some screens for ya right from my desktop to you.

http://verios.homestead.com/files/0000.jpg
http://verios.homestead.com/files/0001.jpg
http://verios.homestead.com/files/0002.jpg
http://verios.homestead.com/files/0003.jpg
http://verios.homestead.com/files/0004.jpg
http://verios.homestead.com/files/0005.jpg

Mgardiner
23rd Jul 2003, 21:46
A few more,

http://verios.homestead.com/files/0006.jpg
http://verios.homestead.com/files/0007.jpg
http://verios.homestead.com/files/0008.jpg
http://verios.homestead.com/files/0009.jpg
http://verios.homestead.com/files/0010.jpg

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 21:56
They're horrible! Do you even know what you're looking at? Like I said, I didn't even post any NOLF2 "nice graphics" shots. They're just cropped pics of Cate Archer!

Pfft. Look at this, and yours are the same thing, just in a more detailed area. Same 4 year old flaws everywhere though. Lara is no where near as well done or detailed as Cate (and every other character in her game) Don't make me install NOLF2 and make you look silly.

http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/trdoa.jpg


Originally posted by tomb_raiding
Oh My God Elvin you truly HATE TR games, :eek:

I LOVE Tomb Raider games, that's why TR-DOA pisses me off so much! It is BUG INFESTED, early BETA, unfinished and utter crap, by ANY standard!

Mgardiner
23rd Jul 2003, 22:01
Well that's the level I happened to be playing. But Ill take some screenshots during the first few levels if you'd like?

Mgardiner
23rd Jul 2003, 22:04
Oh and here are some screenshots of NOLF: 2 I found. Like TR it has both its bad parts and good parts BUT Iam not gonna go to the extent you did and NIT-PICK them with things you will hardly notice while playing. Link to pictures below, also post a few.

http://pub6.ezboard.com/fgamerszone64493pcgames.showMessage?topicID=909.topic

http://www.avault.com/news/screenshots/nolf23.jpg
http://www.avault.com/news/screenshots/nolf210.jpg
http://www.avault.com/news/screenshots/nolf26.jpg
http://www.avault.com/news/screenshots/nolf29.jpg

and like your title, Elvin Presler got OWNED

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 22:05
No need, I've seen it, and even your "best little segment of" TR-DOA screenshots can't compete......with any newer title. They look very nice......compared to old Tomb Raider games, but fall on their face next to any respectable game.

Core/Eidos should seriously be embarrassed and ashamed!

Owned? How do you figure? Those shots you posted are HIGHLY compressed, taken or altered with insanely high, washed out gamma settings, and still look superior to TR-DOA.

Look at the shadows in those.....do they float disconnected on the wall? Do they get all deformed like Lara's? Look at the trees, the water effects and reflections! You just CellPhoned yourself.

Mgardiner
23rd Jul 2003, 22:10
I give up..I dont think it's possible to get it through your thick skull that TR is not as bad as you make it out to be. Of course there are better looking games..had TR:AOD been developed for PC only it would probally be about 10x better looking and scince they wouldnt be worrying about the PS2 version it's quite possible many of the problems with the game now just wouldnt be there. Say what you must but on an offical Tomb Raider forum with your bashing you wont make many friendly acquaintances.

TR-AOD
23rd Jul 2003, 22:17
http://www.avault.com/news/screenshots/nolf23.jpg





no wonder he fell over, fancy wearing high heels in a banana fight

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 22:20
That's the chair leg behind him, not high heels. He slipped on a banana, it's hilarious and creative. Hold on, I'm installing NOLF2 again. I'll try to duplicate a couple of those screenies above.......

TR-AOD
23rd Jul 2003, 22:26
Originally posted by Elvin Presler
That's the chair leg behind him, not high heels.


will someone please explain sarcasm to the americans :rolleyes:

CyCro
23rd Jul 2003, 22:37
Can anyone tell me what's the point of this thread? Like, if no one had access to the Net or has ever been to a videogames shop. Yes, we play other games besides TR and we can compare and make the conclusions for ouselves. If you don't like TR-AOD, then don't play it, or sell your copy, or complain to the developers, or do something else, but to post this junk.... :rolleyes: What's the point trying to persuade the people who enjoy the game not to? :confused: Or is it that you just like the fruitless arguing for the heck of it? doh.... I don't think that's the way to express your frustrations with AOD.

Elvin Presler
23rd Jul 2003, 23:31
Original post edited with better screen shots.

The point is to show other angry, disappointed Tomb Raider fans another series of games that have not ripped off their fans like this latest blatantly unfinished, early beta manifestation (or perhaps more appropriately, infestation) of Tomb Raider. A developer/publisher that has created a recent sequel that is of top notch, very refined, well polished, totally completed gameplay and graphics.

Core/Eidos should be embarrassed and ashamed!

Mgardiner
23rd Jul 2003, 23:58
Originally posted by Elvin Presler
Original post edited with better screen shots.

The point is to show other angry, disappointed Tomb Raider fans another series of games that have not ripped off their fans like this latest blatantly unfinished, early beta manifestation (or perhaps more appropriately, infestation) of Tomb Raider. A developer/publisher that has created a recent sequel that is of top notch, very refined, well polished, totally completed gameplay and graphics.

Core/Eidos should be embarrassed and ashamed!

Funny thing is they dont care and most of us dont care.

John Carter
23rd Jul 2003, 23:58
The point is to show other angry, disappointed Tomb Raider fans another series of games that have not ripped off their fans like this latest blatantly unfinished, early beta manifestation (or perhaps more appropriately, infestation) of Tomb Raider.

In other words, to plug your personal affinity for a game which is not the game this particular forum is devoted to. Hence, you may continue your diatribe in the TR Community chat forum instead of here.

Deekman
24th Jul 2003, 01:32
Originally posted by CyCro
...fruitless...
Waitaminnit! Can't fool me. I saw that banana!


Originally posted by TR-AOD
will someone please explain sarcasm to the americans
Please don't pluralize. I thought the high heel joke was funnier than the banana gag.

Also, I will refrain from commenting on either game, having played neither - I've gotta wait for a Mac version of AOD.

Mgardiner
24th Jul 2003, 05:07
No crystal-clear picture in Tomb Raider: AOD? You may need some upgrades then buddy. (Also take into account that TR:AOD is a port from a PS2 game to PC and it can still look better than your beloved NOLF and vise versa)

http://verios.homestead.com/files/0003.jpg

and

http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/nolfII12.jpg

Now you can not tell me that AOD does not look impressive in that pic as does NOLF 2. Both have there respected moments. BOTH of these titles are by no means something that makes you go WOW but TR:AOD is not the piece of s**t that you make it out to be. Ive never played NOLF 2 but from what I see it reminds me of Soldier of Fortune II on a graphical scale and it was that impressive..now Unreal II there's a game to go WOW about. Do you need me to post more pics of TR to prove you wrong on many of the things you have stated? (mind ya some were true and I agree)

Elvin Presler
24th Jul 2003, 06:04
You proved my point posting those 2 pics together. TR is like one big texture on the whole thing. A bland dull one at that. The lighting stinks. The architecture is nice, but other than that, it's not that great, and what's worse, is that's the best looking part in TR-DOA. The rest of the game is horrible by comparison. Look, you can see awful color banding on the lights right next to Lara. That is like, unheard of in todays games and shows what true amateurs Core really are!

The NOLF2 shot, on the other hand, is crisp and clear. Remember, this is an older game by a year too. The people stand out against the background better. There are many more varied textures, color and 10x the detail. To top it off, that is the very first level in NOLF2, and not even the best looking one. Look at that shurikan (throwing star) in mid air and still shiny and metallic! The crossbow is photo realistic. The foliage and trees are vastly superior to any in TR-DOA.



Also take into account that TR:AOD is a port from a PS2 game to PC and it can still look better than your beloved NOLF and vise versa


Splinter Cell....even more impressive than NOLF2....and a PS2 port.
Silent Hill 2....much more impressive than TR-DOA, much older, and....a PS2 port.

All these games were finished and polished. TR-DOA is none of that. It is riddled with bugs, unfinished, and has huge graphical problems like slowdowns, and outright missing textures all through the entire game. Even if it did not have all these problems, and were actually finished, it would STILL be dated and ugly by comparison! At least maybe it would have some decent gameplay then though. Right now it has NOTHING!

Mgardiner
24th Jul 2003, 06:13
Now that we've argued for the night (pick this up again tomorrow after I get some sleep) I have one question. If you hate AOD so much and it seems like you dont care much for TR in general..why are you here? To complain 24/7?

PaulZ108
24th Jul 2003, 06:19
While I like AOD, anyone who's actually played NOLF2 cannot possibly say with a straight face that AOD has better graphics. NOLF2 is an incredible game if you even remotely like FPS games. It ran flawlessly on my PC too, while AOD (with inferior graphics) dragged in a few spots.

DaveJ
24th Jul 2003, 07:45
As much as I enjoyed AOD I have to agree that although it looks great for a TR game, graphically it is still a few years behind the current standards.

NOLF 1 was nice enough, but NOLF2 is indeed one of the most incredible looking games I have ever played.

Don't compare screenshots though....as nice as the ones from both games are that have been posted here, no screenshot ever compares to playing the actual game.

And comparing the two games at all is indeed a bit pointless...OK both have female leads and are games...but why not compare TR with Ms. Pacman too?

As to comparing Nightfire and the NOLF games...if anyone here actually enjoyed Nightfire...try the NOLF games and see how it should really be done.

The NOLF games may be 1st person, but they do indeed have great characters, great stories, some extremely funny moments and some very accurate 60's observations.

Added to that, Cate Archer became a more rounded and developed character after 1 game than Lara Croft did in 5.
You may disagree....but only if you have played both TR and NOLF games. And even then I would be dubious of your conclusions. ;)

Elvin Presler
24th Jul 2003, 08:12
Originally posted by Mgardiner
If you hate AOD so much and it seems like you dont care much for TR in general..why are you here? To complain 24/7?

Like I've said repeatedly. I LOVE the Tomb Raider games. I've been supporting them and defending them for years while others nitpicked them. That is why it pisses me off so much that they released TR-DOA in the pathetic pre-beta, bug ridden state it is in! It's truly awful!

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't give a squat about the graphics....if the missing textures weren't drawing my attention to them EVERY 2 MINUTES! I mean most of the game has friggin' holes all over it! Enemies have only about 50% of them, and the rest is invisible!

Then there's the other bugs...EVERYWHERE. Then the blatantly unfinished "gameplay" where you see no dual guns that were obviously intended to be there and were not finished, items, ammo and a pawn shop with no purpose. Doors to entire parts, if not whole levels sealed off from the game because they are simply unfinished. On and on and on and on.............

Mgardiner
24th Jul 2003, 08:13
sigh...I miss the old TR fans. www.tombraiders.com please come back! (what has it been? 2-3 years? lol longer...) :(

DaveJ
24th Jul 2003, 08:23
Treading strange waters here...is a TR fan - by definition - someone who blindly enjoys anything with the name Tomb Raider on it, and is oblivious to any of its faults....?

;)

As much as I enjoyed AOD it is indeed obvious it was released unfinished.

Mgardiner
24th Jul 2003, 08:31
Oh Iam well aware of it's faults and have encountered them but unlike some of you I try to over look them and enjoy the game. By saying I miss the old Tomb Raider fans, those are the ones that enjoy the game for what it is and are able to look over its faults...from what Ive seen lately there dont see to be many around anymore..or they're in hiding.

DaveJ
24th Jul 2003, 09:18
I didn't let the games faults hamper my enjoyment, either. (The only time I came near is when the controls work against you in the Boaz level).

But if customers don't voice their dissatisfaction, whats to stop games developers from continuing to release shoddy, unfinished, untested games - especially TR ones - if they think people will happily accept it for what it is and buy it regardless?


My biggest gripe with AOD - after its brevity - was how little had actually changed. It was the same old gameplay with a new coat of paint is all.
Luckily I enjoy that gameplay. ;)


But now I've finished it twice, I am indeed in the mood for playing NOLF 2 a third time!

GoranAgar
24th Jul 2003, 09:24
You realize that the TR:AOD engine has a lot of work to do so that Lara looks as wonderful as she does. Did you see that Lara actually changes the expression in her face when she runs or jumps? The NOLF engine on the other hand can use all it's resources for opponents and enviroment. And still, the TR:AOD graphics look wonderful. Especially Lara itself. No graphic feature in NOLF or SH2 or anywhere else impresses me as much as Lara does in TR:AOD.

So comparing a first person game with a third person game and ignoring the quality of the main character model is not very observant.

Omega_Weapon
24th Jul 2003, 10:59
I would be impressed if I didn't hate FPS's.

DaveJ
24th Jul 2003, 11:03
As one spends most of the game seeing the back of Lara's head, no - I hadn't noticed the change in her expressions.
Nice touch, but a trifle wasted perhaps? I would be more impressed if we had changing expressions and a full complement of doors and walls in the sanitorium. ;)
(I did notice her expression changed when she was backed into a corner and firing away in the older TR games, though....)

Also obviously un-necessary in a FPS. Although the character animations in NOLF2 are still much better than Lara's in AOD ....IMHO. They just have more....character about them.

One doesn't need to play or enjoy FPS games in order to appreciate the graphic quality on show, either.


Just to correct an earlier oversight - Splinter Cell on PC is not a PS2 port.

CatSuit&Ponytail
24th Jul 2003, 11:48
Originally posted by DaveJ
As one spends most of the game seeing the back of Lara's head, no - I hadn't noticed the change in her expressions.


Yeah, it's sad that the camera control was forgotten in the PC version. I was looking forward to circling around to the front of her while she did the new moves. *sigh*



DaveJ, dear, voicing dissatisfaction is ok and needed feedback, but a lot of these diatribes have long since crossed the line into flaming and bashing. Excuse me, I feel a furrball moment coming. ;) .........................Shall I spank you now? :D

Deekman
24th Jul 2003, 11:53
Originally posted by CatSuit&Ponytail
..Shall I spank you now?

Wasn't that Foxybunny's job?

CatSuit&Ponytail
24th Jul 2003, 12:08
Yeah, it was, but she's on sabatical, or something. Now Pip's got the job, but I was really just threatening him. He knows I'd get TDC to do it for me, hehehe ;)

DaveJ
24th Jul 2003, 13:04
No way....his hands are way too big.

:eek:

I've slung a deaf 'un at the bashing and flaming... but can't really disagree with Elvin's bones of contention, in all honesty.
:)

Elvin Presler
24th Jul 2003, 18:37
Originally posted by GoranAgar
ignoring the quality of the main character model is not very observant.
You are kidding right? Lara looks better than before, but the quality of even her model/skin is horrible compared to most other recent games. Have you looked at her ears? Her fingers? Her feet with no toes!

Oh, but her boobies jiggle! LOL, that's quality! A task already done on the PSONE BTW in games like Soul Blade about 6 years ago. Then the rest of the characters in TR-DOA look like friggin Natla! It's pathetic!


Originally posted by DaveJ
Just to correct an earlier oversight - Splinter Cell on PC is not a PS2 port.
Ok, but it does run on the PS2. Still Silent Hill 2 was a PS2 port and the charcaters (all of them) look way better than Lara in TR-DOA.


What's her hair made of? Strips of paper? Compare her eyes and lips to Cate's below. This was taken with maxed graphics and look at the jagged edges and paper thin look of it. PfffffffT!
http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/lara.jpg

Now that's quality! I think Lara actually has more polys...and still can't touch this. Core are friggin ROOKIES! Also, Cate's, and every other character in the game, expresions change ALL THE TIME. Their eyes look around, squint and roll with amusement or sarcasm. Their lips actually shape out their perfectly timed words etc. Ever talk to the herbalist in TR-DOA? Hahahaha, his mouth does not even move.

http://members.cox.net/elvin_presler/cate03.jpg

Mgardiner
24th Jul 2003, 23:09
Try taking a TR pic with 6x AA on and 16x Antistropic Filter, and those are max graphics? not god damn likely if you think those are the best that TR can do you really DO need upgrades...get a Radeon 9700 pro and crank everything up and play TR and I'll tell ya one thing it looks a hell of a lot better than that screen you posted. The new Lara looks terrible? you seem quite dumb...or stubborn...I have more to say towards you but I enjoying chatting her and not getting banned.

DaveJ
25th Jul 2003, 07:32
Something worth remembering is that the team at Core deliberately stayed clear of making Lara look too realistic....even though they could have.

They wanted to retain a 'video-game' look about it all, and not get into photo-realism.

Solange
25th Jul 2003, 08:54
I like it when a game looks good & has good graphics, but that is not something that determines whether I'm really going to like the game or not! There are more things to games than just looks! (as with so many other things :p ) Spoken by someone who loves to play TR1!

I haven's played AOD yet, so I can't comment on that. Or NOLF 2. (It's on my to do list when I've figured out what's wrong with my puter!) But I think either you like a game, and then you'll play it no matter how it looks! Or you hate it. Then go tell the publisher you hate it! But I personally don't see the meaning with comparing two games like this! It is a matter of taste!

euphoric
28th Jul 2003, 09:46
looks cool wont put aside my lara for it though