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Valzara
17th Jun 2003, 02:33
According to THIS (http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Dscreen_11.jpg), I think the Kain's victim in that picture is a vampire, but the problem is : isn't Kain the Lord of Vampire? Shouldn't those small vampire obey him?

*imagine*
When the vampire gonna attack Kain, Kain just say :Sit down, ...ok now run and take it back.(thrwing out a node of bone):D

Reaver of Souls
17th Jun 2003, 02:40
Assuming that Defiance carries off where SR2 finished, and there hasn't been any time streaming yet, then they are back a loooooong time before Kain ever became the high Vampire God he is now. They wouldn't obey someone they don't know.. if it even IS a vampire.

On a side note, I don't think I've ever seen that screen before, hmm... *runs of to IGN*

Umah Bloodomen
17th Jun 2003, 02:42
This isn't another one of those potential Thralls is it?

Reaver of Souls
17th Jun 2003, 03:07
Well on one hand it has horns, which makes me lean towards demonic, but on the other hand, it's hands are cloven, which usually implies vampire, so... :confused:

Edit: Whoa...if you go to that link, and then take off the Dscreen_11.jpg part of the address, leaving you with http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/, then it brings you to a dircetory, where there are a lot more screens than are shown on nosgoth.net. Uh-oh, I hope I didnt; unveil an ancient blashpemy..

warpsavant
17th Jun 2003, 03:46
What is this thing?

http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Psm72-9.JPG

Umah Bloodomen
17th Jun 2003, 03:55
Puzzle of some sort, I'm guessing.

warpsavant
17th Jun 2003, 04:07
I like this one

http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Dscreen_10.jpg

This ones a puzzle

http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Egm2.JPG

Sarah
17th Jun 2003, 04:23
Originally posted by warpsavant
What is this thing?

http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Psm72-9.JPG


Why-that's the opening to the temple of Frank the Sluagh, and his lovely consort, Mabel.(You plane-shift to get through the hidden door in the center).

warpsavant
17th Jun 2003, 05:43
Originally posted by Sarah
Why-that's the opening to the temple of Frank the Sluagh, and his lovely consort, Mabel.(You plane-shift to get through the hidden door in the center).

You need to stop giving out major plot spoilers!!

I'm nervous. I haven't seen any pics of any Sluagh, they better still be in the game??


Small vampires should obey big ones, me thinks.

Umah Bloodomen
17th Jun 2003, 06:07
Originally posted by warpsavant
You need to stop giving out major plot spoilers!!
I'm nervous. I haven't seen any pics of any Sluagh, they better still be in the game??
Small vampires should obey big ones, me thinks.

Maybe ol' Squiddy was so ticked off at Raz, that in addition to taking his shifting privileges away, he kept the toys (Sluagh) to himself as well. Pissy squid. :p

Reaper007
17th Jun 2003, 07:52
hey guys i need some help here. i'm looking for a thread that talked about one of the trailers of defiance. the conversation revolved around the "stone enemies" raz was fighting in voradors mansion. one person said that he couldnt make out the figure in the background of the image. well on the site i found that image only higher quality:

http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Dscreen_20.jpg

looks a lot like a statue of Vorador to me. if anyone knows the thread could u point me toward it plz, thx.

Reaper007

Umah Bloodomen
17th Jun 2003, 08:02
Could this be it? (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16583&highlight=stone+voradors+mansion)

I remember another one discussing the winged Ancient-looking statue that Raziel appeared to be fighting as well. Also, a few of those original trailer-related threads were removed from the forum on account the information was leaked before it was supposed to have been.

Matt from Spam Buddies
17th Jun 2003, 13:01
Originally posted by Valzara
According to THIS (http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Dscreen_11.jpg), I think the Kain's victim in that picture is a vampire, but the problem is : isn't Kain the Lord of Vampire? Shouldn't those small vampire obey him?

*imagine*
When the vampire gonna attack Kain, Kain just say :Sit down, ...ok now run and take it back.(thrwing out a node of bone):D

I must agree with Umah again. We have no proof that the guy is a vampire. So, basicly it must be a Thrall.

I, myself, am very excited about the following screenshot.

http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Psm72-5.JPG

Maybe they finally read my thread about those eery spectral ghost adversaries and granted my wish? :D

The following spoiler is about the true origins of the Stone Statues.

The Stone Creatures were indeed simply statues of Ancient Winged Beings. They guarded Vorador's Mansion and came to life via magic. Also, they wielded Stone Reavers. Not Earth Reavers, but Stone Reavers. Simply stone replicas of the Blood Reaver. Nothing special. Oh, this information was presented by a forumer who attended E3 in person and got to play the demo. So I guess, this is no rumor, but a fact.

- Matthew

Reaper007
17th Jun 2003, 15:11
Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
Could this be it? (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16583&highlight=stone+voradors+mansion)

yup thx.

Apocrypha Roxy
17th Jun 2003, 17:21
:eek: MIGHTY CHRIST! :eek:

Those are awesome! I love the one warp put up of Raz. I saved that. That's just so... neat-o frito... :D

Also, is it just me, or does Raziel look like a funky blueberry? Seriously, he looks neon, or something. His wings were never that bright. Ever. They don't match the rest of him, it seems.

Zephonim
17th Jun 2003, 18:26
Originally posted by Apocrypha Roxy

Also, is it just me, or does Raziel look like a funky blueberry? Seriously, he looks neon, or something. His wings were never that bright. Ever. They don't match the rest of him, it seems. [/B]

Yeah tell me about it ,seems that as well as not being able to shift through warp gates ,some other significant change has happened to raziel when he was saved from being sucked into the reaver at the end of sr2

maybe we will be enlightened at the start of defiance(on that note it is LOK so i wouldnt hold my breath)


or it could just be C.D decided they wanted him to be a bit more colourful and new it would drive us mad trying to figure out why raz is brighter and lighter

someguysteve
17th Jun 2003, 18:41
maybe those monster things are new, the thralls didn't have blood and didn't look so lively and the vampires of that era were more human, these seem more zombie like. strange

anyway what do think happened to this poor fellow http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Dscreen_12.jpg
he looks part human, he kind of looks like one of the creatures from dark eden.

P.S. i finally got blood omen, happy days

Vampmaster
17th Jun 2003, 19:32
*Drools* Water forge...

http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Egm2.JPG

I think the creature in the screenshot someguysteve could be a creature getting possessed. The guy who decribed the E3 demo said that people in the game can get possessed and turn into demons.

darien_specter
17th Jun 2003, 23:40
Water Reaver... oh my! :D Which from the look of one of those screenshots looks like it's in Vorador's mansion, even...

They've been saying that we return to the BO era... so maybe it is Dark Eden! That would be something... makes me wonder just how many of those old areas we'll be revisiting...

warpsavant
18th Jun 2003, 01:01
Originally posted by Apocrypha Roxy

Those are awesome! I love the one warp put up of Raz. I saved that. That's just so... neat-o frito... :D



If his clan symbol was glowing it'd look super rad!! That pic is one of the best Ive ever seen of Raz.

And yeah. In some of the shots Raziel looks all wacky. I think it has something to do with the fact some of those shots are scans from magazines.


Now, the whole possess thing, I think that if Raziel has to learn how to shift that way, he gets the abilty from a Hylden or Demon thing, then I would think that the Hylden and Demons can possess people from their realm just like Raz does, and enter the Material Realm whenever they want. This goes with the the BO book and the tales of possession.

Apocrypha Roxy
18th Jun 2003, 01:15
Actually, in the trailer and the silent videos from IGN, he was still neon.

Maybe it was just an early version - need to get the gamma fixed, or something.

Or maybe we'll just have to turn down the gamma on our screens/adjust the color on our TVs to see Raz normally and everything else dark.

We'll be playing Thief: Defiance. :D :p

You know, IonStorm should title it that (or, something like that), because it's just peachy keen with the story of the new installment of Garrett's mis-adventures.

Keeper Assassins? KEEPER. ASSASSINS. KEEPER ASSASSINS?! WHAT ARE THEY, NUTS?!!? Actually, yes, they are... so much for Balance. They could take a cue from Ariel, if you know what I mean...

Somehow I think labeling it just Thief is... stupid. It should be Thief III, or something with a TITLE, for the love of Pete!

Valzara
18th Jun 2003, 02:24
Maybe they finally read my thread about those eery spectral ghost adversaries and granted my wish? :D

The following spoiler is about the true origins of the Stone Statues.


Yeah, then put a pancake on their head !!!:D :D :D :D :D

Matt from Spam Buddies
18th Jun 2003, 18:06
You mean like this?

http://www.vabrik.ee/snake/bunny.jpg

- Matthew

Vampmaster
18th Jun 2003, 21:28
Hey, look:

http://www.nosgoth.net/Defiance/Screenshots/Psm72-6.JPG

Kain can feed while in the air!

punkst4r
18th Jun 2003, 23:02
I don't know about everyone else but I really hate raziels new wings they don't go with his color they stand out too much.I hope they change them when the game finnally comes out.;)

Matt from Spam Buddies
18th Jun 2003, 23:16
Urk... I think the wings are just fine.

They seem kind of brighter in some screenshots, but over-all I think they're completely okay.

- Matthew

Time Streamer
19th Jun 2003, 18:33
Well, they're not bad.

Zephonim
19th Jun 2003, 22:42
Originally posted by Matt from Spam Buddies
Urk... I think the wings are just fine.

They seem kind of brighter in some screenshots, but over-all I think they're completely okay.

- Matthew



I agree with the colour of raz but in the E3 trailer raz is always the normal colour he is in sr2 so its either early pics of raz before the finishing touches or it could possibly have something to do with the reaver upgrades ! (only my thoughts)

after all i think raziel will be more in touch with the reaver this time round

punkst4r
20th Jun 2003, 03:54
It's just that in the last SR game that came out I liked the way his wings were so darkened/shaded.If you pay attention to the picture where raziel is in spectral you can see how his wings look like a cape.:rolleyes: