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mrdefender
9th Feb 2003, 08:09
Ok.. I just saw an episode of Star Trek TNG today and it occured in Unreal 2 aswell...

This is military related..

Why do we say 'Kernal' when its spelled Colonel? :/

Also.. (ST-TOS, the episode where kirk, spock and mccoy grow to 80years of age in like a week) . A Commodore is higher in rank than a Captain right? So why does a Commodore say Sir to a captain? Isn't it the other way around?

Can someone explain these to me?? Cause im really stompped..

glamiss
18th Feb 2003, 21:44
a: [Alteration of obsolete "coronel", from French, from Old Italian "colonello", from diminutive of "colonna", column of soldiers, from Latin "columna", column. See kel-2 in Indo-European Roots.]

those wacky french ;)

b: a commodore is the equivalent of a brigadier general, and a captain is the equivalent of a colonel (whereas a captain in the other 3 branches are o-3, which is a lieutenant in the navy).... in the episode you're referring to, i don't recall there being a commodore, but i haven't seen that episode in a long time. what ship was he from? in the planet eater, the leader of the constellation was a commodore.

at any rate, he might have been calling him sir out of respect, and not as a term of subservience. kinda like when someone is in your way and you say excuse me, sir, could you step aside? you're not actually debasing yourself before them, just being polite.

mrdefender
18th Feb 2003, 22:41
a: Ah...

b: is a bit confusing but i understand some of it. 3 military groups (navy, army and marines?) .. ranks are somewhat the same but mean different thing.

Thanks for helping me out with this (and reminding me of another forgotten topic :) )

glamiss
19th Feb 2003, 00:00
3 military groups (navy, army and marines?)
no, "in the other 3" (army, air force, marines... except the marines are on the navy payroll. wacky)

coast guard and navy have the same rankings... though i'm not positive they're the same for all countries.

in the army and others, grade 5 is sometimes "specialist", but it's also a sergeant. up through e-9. in the navy, i forget what the crewman ranks are titled, specifically, but as you get up to "sgt" level, that's a petty officer

i think warrant officers are the same in both?? i'm not sure.

then you've got navy/coast guard and army/marines/air force as:

ensign; 2nd lieutenant
lieutenant jg (junior grade); 1st lieutenant
lieutenant; captain
lieutenant commander; major
commander; lieutenant colonel
captain; colonel
commodore; brigadier general
um.. and then i think vice admiral
rear admiral
admiral
fleet admiral

mrdefender
19th Feb 2003, 02:43
Aren't coast guards civilians? (well.. as civilians as cops are...)

All I really know about ranks is on startrek.

You got a Civilian (not sure if that counts as a rank). Then it moves onto a SF candidate (considered for starfleet academy), then its Cadent, Crewman, Ensign, lieutenant, lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain, Commodore, and Admiral.

I've seen Rear and Vice Admiral in a game (FreeSpace, FreeSpace 2, both for PC.. released in the 95's + ...) .. I'm not sure If I can recall those in star trek..

Well.. Ofcourse then you got all those councils and chamber of whatchamacallits (what cha (ya) ma (may) call its).

Like the Federation Council who are ? right under the president of the UFP ? (i.e he's the president or 'boss' of the council..).

Em. Doesnt 1st lieutenant come before 2nd? (as 1 comes before 2) ??

glamiss
19th Feb 2003, 05:09
i'm actually not sure about the coast guard :\
starfleet uses naval ranks

1st lieutenant "comes before" 2nd lieutenant in that they are more advanced... like martial arts. 1st kyu (brown) is more advanced than 4th kyu (purple) (for lower ranks, it goes from 9 to 1, but in the black belts, it goes from 1 - 9 / 10)... 1st in charge, 2nd in charge... number 1 (forst officer), number 2 (2nd officer)... etc etc etc

cadets are officers-in-training (like students at west point, annapolis, or starfleet academy), while crewmen are enlisted personnel

warrant officers are the same in either, i remember that now. w-1 through 5, except that 5 is just an honorific title, their pay is the same as that for 4 (wo-4 used to be as high as you could get, but then they created 5)

yeomen are enlisted personnel i THINK. it's been awhile, so i forget if they're like lower level petty officers or what. they're typically like administrative assistants to the commanders of a ship (captains of ships, admirals of aircraft carriers, etc etc)

geordi was a lieutenant jg the first season of tng, and now he's all the way up to lt cmdr.

as far as ufp council and president, etc etc, that's just like the u.s. govt / u.k. parliament (what's the canadian system? i have to admit i don't know much about it), with elected officials and so on (a republic). imagine the bureaucracy that must exist there... thousands of planets (that are part of the ufp), trillions of citizens, planetary governments and possibly sub-governments, local seats (states), counties, districts... ugh.

mrdefender
19th Feb 2003, 06:19
canadian government is like the usa government. But we spend our money on health care while you guys spend your money to win the war of the universe... :)

I'm so glad Im canadian. I don't know what we (my family and I) would've done if we were in the USA (well. declare bankrupt for sure..).

I got no prob with the USA.. I just like to be a canadian. I don't want to be an american. (no offense.. I just like being canadian..).

What I cant fathom is why americans have no clue on how canada works... :/ It's rather insulting.. Must be embarrasing to not know the people living ontop of you... (on the map.. yes, we're above you.. we're not down there, next to mexico :) )

WE DON'T LIVE IN IGLOOS AND WE DONT END EVERY SENTENCE WITH 'Ay' (Or Eh? Or Eyh?). !! !!!!!!1 :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Now that that's settled ... :D :)

You never here these "1st grade" ranks in startrek.. They always refered to geordi as lt. ... They also refered to crusher as ensign and not 'acting' ensign. I guess its one of those addon titles that really dont make much difference (except when pulling rank...).

I can recall an altercation with Torres and Paris about 'seniority' (paris 'won' by 2 days... tores was still a 'maquis' during those 2 days..)

glamiss
19th Feb 2003, 07:12
ok, i'm kind of ranting in this post. sorry :)

You never hear these "1st grade" ranks in startrekYou actually don't hear them so much irl either. lts jg are generally referred to as lts. lt cmdrs are generally referred to as cmdrs. in the army and others, lt cols are referred to as cols. it's a formality thing i think. "this lt colonel henry blake of the mash 4077" "this is lt cmdr data" and so on.

so you guys have a house and a senate? i thought you had a parliament. i'm glad we didn't annex you (no offense; i just don't think we should have even tried). i don't even know what that was all about, just that laura secord is a great heroine for you guys :)

if we (the world) had replicators (for food) then things would be a LOT different for everyone. I think that should be our first step toward the future... but anyway, the usa is going towards more socialized stuff, it's just going to take us a long long time. i personally hope for a more socio-capitalist society than we currently have. it's close, but it still needs work.

it's wacky. we teach kids to share, sometimes the teachers in day care even FORCE them to (sharing toys... or if you brought a candy bar to class in elementary school, the teacher would always say "i hope you brought enough for everyone"), and then we say that communism is bad (mixed messages? hmmm!!!! - well, actually in communism the govt has TOTAL say), and those that espouse the beliefs of that (old ussr, cuba, sometimes china but not usually, etc etc) are out to destory us, but then our taxes (which i don't mind paying, because i believe in the programs) go to pay for things for other people. i do wish they would earmark more for healthcare and go to socialized medicine, though. i just think it's weird about the whole sharing thing. would i go into mcdonald's and just walk up to someone i didn't know and demand that they share their fries with me?

some people complain about "400 dollar" toilet seats or hammers or whatever, but it's my theory that that's just what the invoice SAYS, and the actual product is something different that's probably classified... and i think that's ok. i don't think that bruce wayne gets his hands on all of batman's equipment with the actual names of the equipment, etc on it. pretty much my only beef with the x-files / conspiracy theorists: if the government(s) IS (are) using back-engineered alien technology... so what? :)

we have a republic (we elect our leaders, which are actually "public servants"... ?????)... by which the leaders are elected democratically... in a capitalist society... which provides social welfare to those who are unable to provide for themselves (food stamps, rental assistance, etc -- and that stuff isn't just for deadbeats.)

so... we're a socio-capitalist repubocracy :)

as far as us not knowing about your govt... don't feel bad. it's not just you. we're typically not taught a whole lot about the governments of other countries, except when the teacher is trying to make a point. :)
i guess they figure that's what college is for, but while i took history of china, i didn't take history of canada (i don't even know if it's offered!)

mrdefender
20th Feb 2003, 02:25
Oooh. Look at what I found on our ISP's webpage :)

http://www.hispeed.rogers.com/etc/answerman.jsp#six

It sounds so familiar.. I just can't put my finger on it :rolleyes:

Yah. we have a senate too. Well. 2 actually, but one of them is just to keep in good relations with the british (Queen Elizabeth).
they do the same as the senate do..

Senate here votes 3 times on a law (i.e a law that hasen't been 'approved' yet, if it passes 3 times, its sent to the 2nd senate, who does the same thing. if it passes again, it gets approved).

We're the same political org. that you guys are. You got the president, then his staff and so on..

Isnt' Laura Secord a chocolate brand? :o I hate chocolate.

I dont try to understand the world. It's too complicated. It's always something on because 'they' are different that 'we' are. (replace they and we by anthing). Its mostly that kinda of stuff.
I just close my eyes and think of the 24th century (it might be considered quirky or nerdy but its better than what we have to deal with now.. :( ) It would be nice if we could get along... Well.. More than once a year :) (xmas).

Im not disapointed that you (americans) dont really know about us.. its just that you have this stereotype that we live in igloos and finish every sentence with 'ay' :/

All I know about the usa forces is from games.. You can always be guaranteed that If you can play the 'USA' side in a game, you'll get lots of high tech and good stuff.

What really freaks me out is this new RTS game called 'C&C Generals' (C&C = Command & Conquer, a RTS series from WestWood). There's this 'super weapon' called a "Particle Cannon". It uplinks with a satelite in orbit and fires a beam of intense energy that you can control its direction for like 5 to 10 seconds...

Ok, so that does sound cool... BUT! the RTS is said to be (by the developers) A modern RTS game (as in the world of today).. now THATS freaky.. To think you guys actually have this thing... (ofcourse, if you did, you'd probably blame it on a weather balloon or something :D )

The other super weapons are easier to believe. A nuke (oooh! this one's been around for like a century..) and a Scud storm (a platform that launches 10-15 missiles armed with biological warheads..).

The game includes 3 countries. USA (obviously), China and GLA (terrorist group in.. ? Iraq?)

I think it's Iraq (back when the game was being made, Iraq was kinda a target for the USA (hole bin laden thing and all...). ) The campaign (game wise..) starts off in a place called "Bag Dad" (its pronounced like that, its not spelled like that.. if it is.. we really ran out of names for our countries/territories :)

glamiss
20th Feb 2003, 02:54
Oooh. Look at what I found on our ISP's webpage
hehe actually i went to http://www.dictionary.com and looked up the word, which also shows its origination

laura secord is also a brand of chocolate, yes, but she was also somehow pivotal in us not taking part of your country. i'm not quite sure how. we only do the eh stereotype for fun :) sctv's "the great white north"... hehehee. actually what's more fun is the scots influence on the languages, such as what is heard as "aboot". it's actually a combo of an o and an u sound, mixed together. we can't do it, so it just sounds to us like "oo". and of course, there's the word "sorry" which in the u.s. we say "sah-ree" (sar-ee) and most canadians say "soh-ree" (or sore-ee)

I just close my eyes and think of the 24th century... it's better than what we have to deal with nowtrue, true... but we have to try for it from what we have now, since regretabbly you and i won't be here then... and if all we do is imagine, then it'll be just like now, then.

as it turns out, the coast guard (u.s.) is the same ranking as the navy.. they have a .mil website
To think you guys actually have this thinghehe well, conspiracy theorists like to say we have that space-laser, and a space-earthquake machine (as opposed to nikolai tesla's earthquake machine), and all sorts of stuff. the truth is, if we DID have that, we wouldn't have any need to "send troops in" to somewhere. we'd just ponder its use for a while (should we or shouldn't we, should we or shouldn't we), wait for the right time, issue a press release with a spin, and then do it. that's why i'm sure we don't have it. but maybe that's what they want me to think. i HAVE seen aircraft that appeared to stop almost on a dime and turn around just as fast, but that could just be them turning in my line of vision and arcing back around. and even if we do have those, again, that's a good thing.

i'd like to know if anyone has a stargate though! and is the supposed mile-high glass tower on the moon real? and if it is, is it the JLA watchtower?

mrdefender
20th Feb 2003, 06:14
true, true... but we have to try for it from what we have now, since regretabbly you and i won't be here then... and if all we do is imagine, then it'll be just like now, then.


That's what you think. I plan to freeze myself in 30 years and wake up in the 24th century. I'm only 90 billion dollars short, which I should have in 30 years or so :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


but maybe that's what they want me to think.
The Truth is out there my friend. :)

I can think of other reasons the USA would keep this info secret. Like the earth quake machine, it would make it look like a natural disaster. At best, the fact than an enemy of the americans had this terrible 'natural' (:rolleyes:) disaster would mostlikely be dissmissed as coincidence. (kinda big coincidence, but still..) And then what? If the 'victims' wanted to retaliate? They'd be blaming the USA for a "natural" disaster. ...

Kinda neat little trinket that would be.. Power to attack the enemy and leave no clue of the weapon. unless the enemy goes up in space, sees the earth quake machine, analys it and finds out what it does... and survives to live and tell about it..

Its common knowledge that people tend to mysteriously disapear when they know too much. (Knowledge is power, you know.)



i'd like to know if anyone has a stargate though! and is the supposed mile-high glass tower on the moon real? and if it is, is it the JLA watchtower?

What I want to know is how the face in mars actually got there... We got a face in the moon (if you look at the moon from here, you could swear it was 'looking' at you). And now we found a face in mars (we can't see it from here, but its there.. this was actually known a long time).

Its kinda freaky.. Not to mention the facts about how UFO sightings are greater when earth is closest to mars (i.e when earth is at its nearest orbit around mars...). There's another post on this somewhere. forgot the name of it..

Life seems to be filled with coincidences that its hard to believe they're just coincidences.

glamiss
20th Feb 2003, 08:06
Like the earthquake machine, it would make it look like a natural disaster.well, if we had that, we wouldn't even bother pretending that we're going to iraq or north korea for something, we'd just obliterate it and then go in afterwards with a clean-up crew, u.n. sanctions or not. so i don't really think anyone has to worry about those kinds of fantastic weapons just yet. maybe it's still in testing phase....
I plan to freeze myself in 30 yearsmy friend's sister-in-law (and brother?) works here: http://www.alcor.org/ so now you're on your way :) "The suspension minimums are currently $50,000 for neurosuspension [i think that's the head only] and $120,000 for whole body suspension. An additional $25,000 surcharge is applied for international applicants"
mysteriously disappear when they know too muchor their lives take turns for the worse that all seem like random "bad luck".. the way mine has been for the last 2 years :\

mrdefender
21st Feb 2003, 05:19
we'd just obliterate it and then go in afterwards with a clean-up crew, u.n. sanctions or not. so i don't really think anyone has to worry about those kinds of fantastic weapons just yet. maybe it's still in testing phase....


But then, wouldnt that kinda defeat the purpose of this 'natural' disaster superweapon (for lack of better term). If you go to all this trouble to make it look like a natural disaster.. won't sending in a cleanup crew kinda point the finger at the USA gov?



my friend's sister-in-law (and brother?) works here: http://www.alcor.org/ so now you're on your way :)


Think you can put in a good word for me and lower the cost :D (50K $ US is about 100K $ canadian.. and 25K is 50K canadian..)



"The suspension minimums are currently $50,000 for neurosuspension [i think that's the head only] and $120,000 for whole body suspension. An additional $25,000 surcharge is applied for international applicants"or their lives take turns for the worse that all seem like random "bad luck".. the way mine has been for the last 2 years :\


Why would anyone want to just freeze their head? .. I've got another somewhat far fetched theory.. Maybe it suspends you mind? Keep it active while your frozen? So you wouldn't have to be re-trained and stuff like that when you get unfrozen. ?? Well.. That theory is based on all future shows (like ST:Voyager, "The Thaw" (http://www.startrek.com/library/voy_episodes/episodes_voy_detail_68896.asp), demolition man, and other movies where someone is frozen then thawed)

glamiss
23rd Feb 2003, 20:48
If you go to all this trouble to make it look like a natural disaster.. won't sending in a cleanup crew kinda point the finger at the USA gov?not at all. we're always sending people in to wherever for humanitarian missions. talk about an easy in.
Why would anyone want to just freeze their head?well, they write on their website why but i think it's silly. remember that mccoy could barely put spock's brain back in, he needed that advanced tech to do it! and we don't have ways of regenerating the spinal cord yet, so unless they save the head and the whole spine, i think that'd eb a LOOOOONG time before they thaw those people. maybe it's so that their heads can live in the future, like on futurama :)

mrdefender
23rd Feb 2003, 23:44
not at all. we're always sending people in to wherever for humanitarian missions. talk about an easy in.


Yah. But whenever the USA sends ppl in somewhere, you can always count on a 'conspiracy' theory on the net somewhere (stuff like 'what do you think is going on' or 'do you agree with' or other discussions similar to this). Not to mention where ever they sent ppl. Like now, the USA sends ppl into iraq, and iraq keeps fighting for their stuff. And bin laden asking iraqies (? people who come from Iraq. Like canadians come from Canada, Americans from the USA, ????? come from Iraq).



well, they write on their website why but i think it's silly. remember that mccoy could barely put spock's brain back in, he needed that advanced tech to do it! and we don't have ways of regenerating the spinal cord yet, so unless they save the head and the whole spine, i think that'd eb a LOOOOONG time before they thaw those people. maybe it's so that their heads can live in the future, like on futurama :)

That kinda makes some sense, but it still sounds silly. Who would want to be frozen for centuries (basing on todays science.. it might be a while to cure those types of illnesses) and then end up in another body? (cause, from whay you say, if they freeze the head and spinal cord.. then the body is kinda non-frozen... so it wont last as long as the brain).

And, as in ST:TNG, how would you fight off power failiures? Nasa doesn't have that many shuttles now (after the columbia)... Not to mention that its safe to assume that the USA would want to inspect in detail what ever gets lauched into space (im guessing incase its a nuke or something)

glamiss
28th Feb 2003, 05:27
ok, apparently the coast guard is part of the department of transportation... links to jobs & the coast guard academy all over the dot website. so i'm really confused now.

as far as power failures onboard starshps, they typically have multiple generator sources and redundant backups for those, as well as reserve power which is typically batteries, i guess...

mrdefender
28th Feb 2003, 06:20
Yah. I know that starships have all those backups and backups for backups and backups for backups for backups and.. well.. it goes on and on..

But I was refering to today's world. You cant actually plug a chriogenic (I think that's the scientific term..) chamber into a warp or dilithium reactor...... (shame.. ) :rolleyes:

Wierd about the coast guard. Cant they arrest ppl? Well, then again, the traffic patrol can give u a ticket too.... not sure if they carry guns or not. I'm guessing in the USA they do.... Especially after the sept 11 event/incident. I'm guessing security is somewhat being re-designed today...

Heck, with all the threaths the USA has, I'd sleep with a gun under my pillow too :) (well.. u know what I mean ;) )

I heard that Sahdam (ok, so I'm really bad at spelling foreign names...) is "co-operating" with the USA/UN inspection. Ofcourse... you gotta ask yourself If he's stalling or something.

glamiss
28th Feb 2003, 06:34
yeah, we don't have antimatter power nowadays. that episode of next generation where only those 3 bodies weren't decomposed brought up a good point.

the coast guard can not only arrest you, they can blow you out of the water (especially for running drugs, dumping cargo, etc etc). it's weird. their website is a .mil (military) but all these job postings for them are via the department of transportation (.gov). cops and coast guard have always carried guns. the right to arm ourselves is in our constitution. guns just happen to be lots of peoples' weapons of choice, and so the peace keepers have to respond in kind.

i also heard that saddam was cooperating, and then i heard lots of people wondering why we were still threatening them, and then someone (who i don't really trust completely on these matters) told me that he wasn't... so i dunno.

mrdefender
28th Feb 2003, 18:29
Can you imagine if we did have anti-matter :( I'm sad cause I doubt we're 'smart' enough to actually use it for good (im sure some countries would use it as a nuke..)... We'd need to be visited by aliens before we would know how to use it ;)

Wierd about the coastguard... then again.. I never actually ran into them... I only saw some on american TV or movies. Mostly stuff related to cops. Like CSI (they're not cops, but they carry guns.. they're the ones who investigate the crime scene (Crime Scene Investigation = CSI)).

Nah. Sahdam doesn't seem to be co-operating to help the UN. IMHO, I think he's just stalling/buying some time. He was somewhat 'evil' (for lack of better words) a few years ago towards the USA right? So why is he being so friendly now? I'm sure its not just the kindness of his heart. Not to mention the fact that Korea broke/left the "we won't build nukes" treaty.. And that Bin Laden is asking Iraqies (People who live in/come from Iraq.. not sure what the right word is here) to fight the USA.

I thought you guys caught Bin Laden by now, until I saw his speech supporting Iraq.