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Automaton
5th Jun 2012, 23:26
This was posted on Square Enix's YouTube page. Let the speculation begin.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU)

ShinGundam
5th Jun 2012, 23:36
Survey time: form.square-enix.com/a.p/933/ (https://form.square-enix.com/a.p/933/)





Please everyone vote and tell them to not make the whole shaky cam thing.

member_10022778
5th Jun 2012, 23:39
Sorry for being off-topic, I didn't know where else to post this.

Anyway, Square Enix showed off a tech demo today using its Luminous Studio engine (The same one whose lighting will be used in Versus XIII), and... oh my lord. The thing is absolutely stunning.

Click here for the YouTube link. (http://youtu.be/UVX0OUO9ptU)


from FourPlay Games (/go/thread/create/139235/234893/Despite%20the%20engine%20largely%20being%20developed%20by%20Square%20Enix%20Japan,%20the%20company%20reached%20out%20to%20overseas%20companies%20such%20as%20Eidos%20Montreal,%20IO%20Interactive,%20and%20Crystal%20Dynamics%20to%20share%20technology.%20The%20engine%20supports%20features%20such%20as%20procedural%20animation,%20high-quality%20lighting,%20and%20higher%20details%20in%20objects.%20In%20addition%20to%20consoles,%20the%20engine%20can%20also%20be%20used%20in%20applications%20for%20smartphones,%20computers,%20and%20on%20the%20internet.):
Despite the engine largely being developed by Square Enix Japan, the company reached out to overseas companies such as Eidos Montreal, IO Interactive, and Crystal Dynamics to share technology. The engine supports features such as procedural animation, high-quality lighting, and higher details in objects. In addition to consoles, the engine can also be used in applications for smartphones, computers, and on the internet.

Saika
5th Jun 2012, 23:56
Is wonderfull this demohttp://na.square-enix.com/tools/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-laughing.gif

Automaton
6th Jun 2012, 00:13
I already posted this in General Discussion. You did a better job of setting up an OP, though: I just said "look there's a new shiny thing" in comparison.

ShinGundam
6th Jun 2012, 00:19
I already posted this in General Discussion. You did a better job of setting up an OP, though: I just said "look there's a new shiny thing" in comparison.






Do you think it would be OK to open a feedback thread?

Automaton
6th Jun 2012, 00:44
OK, so I've watched it at least once. As usual, the advances in technology in terms of how much closer to photo-realistic these graphic engines are getting these days contunue to surprise me.


I do hope they really put this to some good (and profitable) use in the future.

member_10022778
6th Jun 2012, 01:12
I already posted this in General Discussion. You did a better job of setting up an OP, though: I just said "look there's a new shiny thing" in comparison.






Darn, sorry. My bad. :/

Gaialei_Strife
6th Jun 2012, 02:02
Apolgizing in advance for being too crass... I could build a wall with all the bricks after that demo....





I'm... I'm in awe.... I mean... what in the world is gonna be able to support that?? PS3?? Can't be... Only PCs can carry that kind of power, right? I'm just... I don't even... I nearly cried... and my boyfriend just stared at me as I half laughed in amazement after the end...

double0nothing
6th Jun 2012, 02:48
Final Fantastical Diablo III

Grimoire
6th Jun 2012, 03:33
So that's what happens to a bottle of Coca-Cola if you leave it for a few centuries or so? The secret origin of potions revealed, huh?

Jackstin
6th Jun 2012, 03:55
Love it. Art style was amazing. Mixing Middle Eastern, Final Fantasy, and brown shooter styles to create something completely new. Anyone else get an Avatar Vibe too? Well done SE. MAKE THIS GAME!

Exentryk
6th Jun 2012, 03:59
Loved it. I still can't believe it was all in real time though. I mean that girl (Agni?) looks so realistic... her eyes, skin texture... wow! If they have graphics like these in real time, they could probably do away with pre rendered cinematics, or alteast reduce it to save space on the disc, which can then be used to create a bigger game in general (meaning a bigger 3D world to explore etc).


I also really liked that piece of music at the end. Does anyone know what it is? Or is a custom made?

ZyzxxInfinity
6th Jun 2012, 05:08
This was posted on Square Enix's YouTube page. Let the speculation begin.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU)



I "speculate" that it's a tech demo. THE END.

Copedw25
6th Jun 2012, 05:51
This was posted on Square Enix's YouTube page. Let the speculation begin.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU)



I "speculate" that it's a tech demo. THE END.












Hi, I agree. On the other hand, those Taliban got pwned.

ZyzxxInfinity
6th Jun 2012, 05:59
This was posted on Square Enix's YouTube page. Let the speculation begin.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU)



I "speculate" that it's a tech demo. THE END.












Hi, I agree. On the other hand, those Taliban got pwned.











My first thoughts/impressions when I saw them show up was, "Call of Duty? In my Final Fantasy? GTFO, Square Enix."

Then again, Square Enix has production/distrubution rights for Call Of Duty in Japan, so...

These tech demos are the only thing Square Enix manages to finalize and release nowadays, so it seems (over 6 years and no Versus XIII, KHIII)...





I'm becoming more and more upset with Square Enix at this rate. They are getting more and more lazy, feeding us the same recycled garbage/clones/spinoffs/filler games again and again. I really want to see some new IPs. Is that too much to ask of SE? Is it because Sakaguchi left, along with Uematsu and a good amount of other original creators for SE?

The only money Square Enix is getting from me at this point is for my FFXI account (which I am tempted to cancel), and Final Fantasy X HD. After that, chances are I'm done waiting for nothing.

MagiusNecros
6th Jun 2012, 06:30
All in favor of being jerkturds and asking for Versus and Type-0 let your voice be heard in the feedback box.





I was mean about it but don't have to be.

ShinGundam
6th Jun 2012, 07:18
All in favor of being jerkturds and asking for Versus and Type-0 let your voice be heard in the feedback box.





I was mean about it but don't have to be.









It is OK, I doubt anyone will blame you but i don't think this would be a problem if they were more productive at least in terms of RPGs.

member_10077577
6th Jun 2012, 07:35
This looks like a concept to be made for a game, coinciding with the release of games like Final Fantasy Versus XIII. They just need to concentrate on Versus XIII at the moment. They should make this into a game, though. Pretty interesting to see what it's like.



Pikachu
6th Jun 2012, 07:46
I'd take his over Final Fantasy Versus XIII to be honest. I know it's only a tech demo, much worse than a trailer, but the environment seemed very interesting and it looked nice. I thought that it would've looked a lot more realistic than this but I guess I had my expectations too high too soon.

member_10077577
6th Jun 2012, 08:18
Oh, and I don't think the same people who made this demo were the same people who are making Versus XIII. I think in the end you only see few names of people unrelated to the Versus XIII development.

PAT2K9
6th Jun 2012, 08:37
It looked great. I can't wait for the next generation of games.

tiaeltaru
6th Jun 2012, 09:00
For a tech demo it sure is interesting.


Don't think we'll see an FF based on it, but using that engine in the next FF is fine.





PS4/720 tech.

Snake
6th Jun 2012, 09:01
I guess its time for a FFVII remake

Grimoire
6th Jun 2012, 11:28
"E3 2012: Agni's Philosophy (Luminous Tech Demo)"


eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/e3-2012-agnis... (http://eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/e3-2012-agnis-philosophy-luminous-tech-demo)





"On the Tuesday evening at the end of Day 1 we invited all the press and media to come round to our both for a special after hours presentation. Hosted by Square Enix America and Square Enix Japan, they revealed the power of Luminous Studio, our in-house engine designed specifically with next-gen in mind. It's built to be powerful and efficient so that you get the maximum out of our games. The presentation showed how at any point they could stop, make changes (such as giving the old-man green dreadlocks) and the carry on the demo in realtime; all very impressive stuff.





We have the full presentation recorded and will be putting it up soon. Remember, this is all rendered in real-time. Also, don't forget, this is a technology demonstration, not a game. You can find out more on www.agnisphilosophy.com (http://www.agnisphilosophy.com)."



member_10085059
6th Jun 2012, 11:51
It's interesting to me, that if this wasn't meant to be developed into a game.... then why did they put of survey asking if we liked the character? What's the point of asking that, if there is zero chance of it being made into a game? I don't get it...

member_10053486
6th Jun 2012, 12:32
For the same reason that Quantic Dream made the Kara tech demo (www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0KTUysrwgQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0KTUysrwgQ)). Proof of concept, and to show what they are capable of doing. In the case of Agni's Philosophy, showing what their new real time engine is capable of doing.


And in the case of Agni's Philosphy, it is simply breath-taking.


And in response to Gaialei_Strife, the point of a real time engine is that it requires less processing than pre-rendered. So, I would imagine that the current PS3, Vita, or even XBox could run it efficiently.

Zench-XIII
6th Jun 2012, 13:27
The Tech Demo looks impressive, it's simply amazing. Only time will tell if this ends up being a new game.

Copedw25
6th Jun 2012, 13:56
For the same reason that Quantic Dream made the Kara tech demo (www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0KTUysrwgQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0KTUysrwgQ)). Proof of concept, and to show what they are capable of doing. In the case of Agni's Philosophy, showing what their new real time engine is capable of doing.


And in the case of Agni's Philosphy, it is simply breath-taking.


And in response to Gaialei_Strife, the point of a real time engine is that it requires less processing than pre-rendered. So, I would imagine that the current PS3, Vita, or even XBox could run it efficiently.









Makes me wonder about that FFVII Tech Demo that caused a lot of attention in 2006. Wonder if they were showing off XIII's engine or the one their using for Versus XIII?


As far as the survey goes, I put a 5 on everything other than the heroine/Agnis. She looks too normal for a Final Fantasy. Maybe a different color for hair?

MTRichardson01
6th Jun 2012, 13:59
Look amazing!!

PAT2K9
6th Jun 2012, 14:36
I guess its time for a FFVII remake





Good call. LOL ;-)

Popcicle
6th Jun 2012, 14:48
na.square-enix.com/go/article/view/blog/... (http://na.square-enix.com/go/article/view/blog/258673/e3_2012_after_hours_event)


Posted a new blog about last night's After Hours event, plus you can watch the real time tech demo of Agni's Philosophy!

amberfire365
6th Jun 2012, 15:20
Its wondrous, but still its a tech demo and we won't see this kind of thing until the next generation of consoles from Microsoft and Sony are confirmed because all it is right now in that department it is just speculation, so nothing to really to speculate about this technical demo. Its the FFVII demo all over again it might or might not be made for the next generation of consoles. I did love the photo realism though of the characters and the textures are really amazing on said characters and so was the lighting :)

Pikachu
6th Jun 2012, 15:23
Makes me wonder about that FFVII Tech Demo that caused a lot of attention in 2006. Wonder if they were showing off XIII's engine or the one their using for Versus XIII?



It was probably XIII's engine. There would've been more buzz if it were Versus XIII's.



As far as the survey goes, I put a 5 on everything other than the heroine/Agnis. She looks too normal for a Final Fantasy. Maybe a different color for hair?



Many Final Fantasy heroes don't really look weird if you look at them. Bartz, Terra, Squall, Vaan (or Ashe), and the Onion Knights (judging by their official art) don't look weird at all.

Aerith
6th Jun 2012, 16:08
Excuse me, still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor. I didn't see, but did anyone happen to link the official site? agnisphilosophy.com/ (http://agnisphilosophy.com/)





Maybe, someday, eventually, Square can do something impressive without an overwhelming clamoring for Versus and VII remakes. To be honest, it's to the point - has been for a year or two - that hearing the word "Versus" just gets me annoyed, rather than excited, and I want the game as bad as anyone. Whatever anyone else has said, I'd recommend not cluttering their surveys, which are about the tech demo, with pointless babbling about how much you want a completely unrelated game. It's not even going to the right people. There are other ways to go about it.





Really, though, I'm stunned. The skin texture, the movement, everything, and that's not simple stuff to animate, with that level of detail. I really, really hope this makes it into a game eventually, because I love the look of the world. AND THAT MUSIC. I NEED IT. I NEED IIIIIT. Taking a look at the HD screenshots - particularly if you right-click them and view them fullsize after opening them - the level of detail for realtime is just amazing. Square never fails to disappoint visually.

member_10100340
6th Jun 2012, 16:23
It's beautiful. A real shame it probably won't ever turn into a real game. The fact that it was all in real time was amazing. Next gen consoles are going to be awesome.


I was thinking it was a little too much Call of Duty like at first. But a few terrorist looking guys with real guns doesn't make it CoD. Either way a mix of modern world and fantasy magic is cool. The potion in a Coke bottle was awesome xD

double0nothing
6th Jun 2012, 18:20
Makes me wonder about that FFVII Tech Demo that caused a lot of attention in 2006. Wonder if they were showing off XIII's engine or the one their using for Versus XIII?



It was probably XIII's engine. There would've been more buzz if it were Versus XIII's.



They're both the same engine; Crystal Tools..

ilikeikeilikeik
6th Jun 2012, 21:55
It looks amazing, Would really love to see something like this become a game.

jwood
8th Jun 2012, 18:48
Hello everyone!





Thank you all for posting here in this topic. We appreciate your enthusiasm in posting the tech demo, it's pretty amazing isn't it? Though as there's already a topic on this matter in the general discussion section, we will have to close down this thread here. You can find the thread at na.square-enix.com/go/thread/view/139231... (http://na.square-enix.com/go/thread/view/139231/29162285/Agnis_Philosophy_-_FINAL_FANTASY_Real_Time_Technical_Demo) . Thank you all again for posting and have an excellent day!

Copedw25
9th Jun 2012, 04:14
Makes me wonder about that FFVII Tech Demo that caused a lot of attention in 2006. Wonder if they were showing off XIII's engine or the one their using for Versus XIII?



It was probably XIII's engine. There would've been more buzz if it were Versus XIII's.



They're both the same engine; Crystal Tools..









That's crazy. And it's taken them 6 years to make a nice trailer for Versus while they're pumping out XIII's right and left ( assuming there is going to be a XIII-3 ). Oh well, I'm not complaining. I enjoy the XIII series.





What I'm wondering about is if they use that for the next gen, how short are the games going to be? If I remember correctly in an interview, one of the head honcho at SE mentioned that one of the reasons XIII seemed so short, was because the graphics were really demanding (at that time). I'll dig the link up. I think it was about an FF VII remake thread. But if that's the case, will games be shortened due to powerful graphics that look life-like?

DreamEaterX
9th Jun 2012, 10:31
The video quality is amazing but I hope they make a couple major changes if they plan on making it a full game:
•change the title
•completely redo the character design for Agni (she looks weird and kinda plain at the same time)
•make sure they dont ***** up the story like in FFXIII-2

member_10822883
9th Jun 2012, 19:46
They're both the same engine; Crystal Tools..






Pretty sure Versus was switched over to a different engine.

Squall-Nathan
27th Jun 2012, 19:28
That engine usd in Agni's Philosphy is gonna make when beautiful Square Enix game. Whether it's Final Fantasy or a sweet single title.

member_10744649
27th Jun 2012, 19:52
I hope that final fantasy 15 will be a new reborn for the final fantasy series



Grimoire
28th Jun 2012, 08:57
Square Enix Luminous Studio Interview


www.rpgsite.net/articles/393-square-enix... (http://www.rpgsite.net/articles/393-square-enix-luminous-studio-interview)

member_10829610
28th Jun 2012, 16:56
<address>It looks nice.</address>

Asuha
29th Jun 2012, 16:06
Square Enix Luminous Studio Interview


www.rpgsite.net/articles/393-square-enix... (http://www.rpgsite.net/articles/393-square-enix-luminous-studio-interview)






Here's part 2: www.rpgsite.net/articles/394-agnis-philo... (http://www.rpgsite.net/articles/394-agnis-philosophy-final-fantasy-realtime-tech-demo-impressions)

Grimoire
29th Jun 2012, 16:09
Arigatou.

lightsequence
30th Jun 2012, 18:24
Can't wait to see whats more to come....

Grimoire
18th Jul 2012, 01:25
"SE director of technology: Kingdom Hearts III utilizes Crystal Tools"


kh13.com/news/29408-se-director-of-techn... (http://kh13.com/news/29408-se-director-of-technology-kingdom-hearts-iii-utilizes-crystal-tools/)

DKJIN
22nd Jul 2012, 00:27
They even had a survey on the official website to see if people liked the new setting.

AshleyMokona
29th Jul 2012, 12:53
This demo is very interesting ^^ It looks fun!

Asuha
29th Jul 2012, 14:46
"SE director of technology: Kingdom Hearts III utilizes Crystal Tools"


kh13.com/news/29408-se-director-of-techn... (http://kh13.com/news/29408-se-director-of-technology-kingdom-hearts-iii-utilizes-crystal-tools/)






This is actually mistranslated and incorrect.

ZachiroEnigma0
29th Jul 2012, 15:54
This demo is very interesting ^^ It looks fun!









YOUGUYS!


THATS THE MULINOUS ENGINE IN ACTION!


WHAT GAME IS GONNA BE ON THAT ENGINE....even though its jsut for lighting it'd still be beautiful along with its game specific engine but STILL!


VERSUS IS GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL!!! ^^

Grimoire
20th Aug 2012, 01:39
www.square-enix.com/jp/info/open_confere... (http://www.square-enix.com/jp/info/open_conference.html)


live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv104498197 (http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv104498197)





Quoting Andriasang:


"See How Square Enix Made its Next Gen Agni's Philosophy: FF Realtime Tech Demo


Live making-of session to be broadcast from CEDEC today."


andriasang.com/con29t/agnis_philosophy_s... (http://andriasang.com/con29t/agnis_philosophy_session/)


"Square Enix is holding a "making of" session for its next generation "Agni's Philosophy" tech demo at the CEDEC developers conference today. The session will be hosted by producer/director Yoshihisa Hashimoto, creative director Takeshi Nozue and lead artist Ryo Iwata and will cover such areas as concpet work, pre-rendering CG creation, real time work flow, and real time CG technology development.


For those who can't attend CEDEC in Yokohama, show organizer CESA will be doing a live broadcast of the session. View it at Nico Nico live (http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv104498197). The session, which is fully titled "Making Of Agni's Philosophy Final Fantasy Realtime Tech Demo -- The Future of Real Time CG Imagery," runs from 14:50 to 15:50."





Pictures: www.siliconera.com/2012/08/20/behind-the... (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/08/20/behind-the-scenes-of-agnis-philosophy-square-enixs-realtime-tech-demo/)





"Square Enix Planning Second Developers Event in November"


andriasang.com/con2a5/squenix_open_confe... (http://andriasang.com/con2a5/squenix_open_conference/)


"Square Enix will hold its second "Open Conference" event in November this year. The developers-only event will be held this year on November 23 and November 24.


The first Open Conference event was held on October 8 of last year and featured a look at Square Enix's new Luminous Studio. This year's event will also be Luminous focused, but there are some other items in the lineup.


Here's the full schedule:


Day One:

<ul>
Agni's Philosophy: real time demo live commentary
Agni's Philosophy: project introduction and concept work
Agni's Philosophy: Visual Works pre-render CG asset production
Agni's Philosophy: realtime workflow 1
[/list]

Day Two:

<ul>
Agni's Philosophy: realtime workflow 2
Agni's Philosophy: realtime graphics technology
Management: game development project management seminar 2012
Final Fantasy XIV: serverside path finding system (... I think that's what it says)
Luminous Studio: next generation game AI architecture 2012
[/list]

Agni's Philosophy is a demo that Square Enix's staff created to show off Luminous Studio. The demo was featured earlier today during a session at the CEDEC development conference.


Visit the open conference page (http://www.square-enix.com/jp/info/open_conference.html) for details on how to sign up for admission. The event is only for members of the development community."

Grimoire
28th Aug 2012, 01:16
"Watch Square Enix Adjust The Agni&rsquo;s Philosophy Tech Demo On The Fly"


www.siliconera.com/2012/08/27/watch-squa... (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/08/27/watch-square-enix-adjust-the-agnis-philosophy-tech-demo-on-the-fly/)

CPancer
29th Aug 2012, 08:56
That's insane, thanks for the post Grimoire.

Grimoire
29th Aug 2012, 09:02
There is no need to thank me, the only thing I did was share the news.

member_10077577
29th Aug 2012, 12:49
This looks pretty badass.

onigiri619
30th Aug 2012, 18:44
the way they are able to alter such detail is rather neat

Grimoire
10th Oct 2012, 01:33
CGWORLD Cover


instagram.com/p/QjphbMjwW_/ (http://instagram.com/p/QjphbMjwW_/)

Grimoire
30th Oct 2012, 02:11
Square Enix&rsquo;s Parking Lot Faithfully Recreated With Luminous Studio


www.siliconera.com/2012/10/29/square-eni... (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/10/29/square-enixs-parking-lot-faithfully-recreated-with-luminous-studio/)

Destinystarx
1st Nov 2012, 15:24
This stuff looks cool. :D Is this considered like gameplay or something or a cutscene?

Grimoire
1st Nov 2012, 15:36
Agni&rsquo;s Philosophy is rendered in real-time. (Yes, that makes it the same as gameplay.)

Randis
2nd Nov 2012, 11:20
It is a tech demo and not gameplay, there is a big difference.
In the actual game the is a LOT more data that has to be processed, collision, AI and so on and so on.
Also this is probably running on a highend computer while a retail game has to run on great variaty of systems.
A real time tech demo or benchmark is not to be confused with how things would really look in a game.

Grimoire
3rd Nov 2012, 06:54
It is nevertheless still rendered in real time by the Luminous Engine, which is intended for the next generation of consoles.

member_10628951
4th Nov 2012, 01:04
m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=498275&pag... (http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=498275&page=1)

Interview with Square-Enix's World Technological Director. Basically:

-Something "different" about Agni's Philosophy will be shown in June 2013 (E3?), on "something other than PC". Based on the guy's smile, it's clearly next-gen platforms.

-Lightning Returns: Development is quite advanced, they're currently showing it to focus groups to find out which element they should concentrate on to please fans. Also, he said that on a technological level, Versus XIII elements were used for this game. It will keep some elements from FFXIII/XIII-2 but will be quite different from every FF that's come out so far.

-Type-0: No plan as of now, but they'd like to localize it eventually. (same old news -.-)

-Versus XIII: Definitely still in development. The project is very, very ambitious according to this guy, and that is why it's taken so long. He says once the project will be fully revealed, people will be happy to have waited so long. Also, Yoichi Wada is determined to push the development team as far as they can.

-FFXIV: He praises Yoshida's direction of the project, says it will be "quite different" from the original FFXIV. He also says that people from S-E outside of Japan also believe in the project, that it's not a "Japan-only" thing (whatever that means).


-Asked what games he was eager to play, he said he was going to try out all the big open-world/sandbox games. He thinks "many Square-Enix IPs" would benefit from more openness, and from a storytelling that's less linear. He wants to take inspiration from games like GTA5 to be able to help the company achieve this on a technological level.

Grimoire
4th Nov 2012, 01:54
www.ffdream.com/news-14010.html (http://www.ffdream.com/news-14010.html)


www.siliconera.com/2012/11/03/agnis-phil... (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/11/03/agnis-philosophy-not-for-current-platforms-versus-xiii-still-going-says-square/)


www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49... (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=498275)





"Replying to a query regarding Agni&rsquo;s Philosophy, Merceron replied: &ldquo;Well, around June next year, there will indeed be something different around Agni&rsquo;s Philosophy, which will perhaps be presented on platforms that are different from the ones being used so far. I can&rsquo;t tell you more, I can only say that it&rsquo;s not going to be only on PC.&rdquo;"

member_10751449
4th Nov 2012, 20:44
Asked what games he was eager to play, he said he was going to try out all the big open-world/sandbox games. He thinks "many Square-Enix IPs" would benefit from more openness, and from a storytelling that's less linear. He wants to take inspiration from games like GTA5 to be able to help the company achieve this on a technological level.



One thing I would like to comment on. Linear does not always equal bad. Open-world/Sandbox does not always equal good. Both have advantages and disadvantages. Last thing we need is for every game to be sandbox/openworld.

member_10077577
4th Nov 2012, 20:47
I've been hearing a lot that if Agni's Philosophy became a next-gen game, then it would be called Final Fantasy: Agni's Philosophy.


No. Just, no. Keep it as Agni's Philosophy.


Everything else is virtually old news to me.

Arietta
5th Nov 2012, 15:51
the it wont be a japanese only thing ill try to explain what it means there are japanese developers that believe in giving japan certain content and dont give the rest of the world that content from his statement i think he means every region will get the exact same content as japan gets


its a practice that should be thrown away region exclusive content


"I would of gladly gave my life to summon the final Aeon but its false hope and a tradition that should be thrown away" Yuna FF10

member_10628951
8th Nov 2012, 15:46
I am very much looking forward to going to E3 2013 next year!!!

FatSqueek
8th Nov 2012, 20:40
Anyone know when JumpFesta is?

member_10628951
8th Nov 2012, 22:04
Anyone know when JumpFesta is?





December 22-23 2012

FatSqueek
8th Nov 2012, 22:50
Maybe we'll get some news on Agni's Philosophy and LR there :)

Grimoire
28th Nov 2012, 01:47
Watch Square Enix Play With Lighting Effects In Agni&rsquo;s Philosophy


www.siliconera.com/2012/11/27/watch-squa... (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/11/27/watch-square-enix-play-with-lighting-effects-in-agnis-philosophy/) www.4gamer.net/games/032/G003263/2012112... (http://www.4gamer.net/games/032/G003263/20121127088/)

Grimoire
17th Dec 2012, 16:27
SQEXOC 2012


www.4gamer.net/games/032/G003263/2012120... (http://www.4gamer.net/games/032/G003263/20121201006/)

FatSqueek
17th Dec 2012, 20:55
That's really neat. Hopefully they can apply this detail to an open world game.

Exentryk
23rd Jan 2013, 03:09
16th Feb, 2013.

www.jp.square-enix.com/info/open_confere... (http://www.jp.square-enix.com/info/open_conference_for_students.html)

SREPCfg-363537
23rd Jan 2013, 03:44
Ehm.....what about an english version.


I'm interested to know more about this tech demo, will it become a square title?


Looks like Final Fantasy saga....

Grimoire
24th Jan 2013, 07:02
Open Conference for Students


www.jp.square-enix.com/info/open_confere... (http://www.jp.square-enix.com/info/open_conference_for_students.html)

Grimoire
29th Jan 2013, 03:33
Luminous Studio &ndash; New tech demos get all hairy


www.mmoculture.com/2013/01/luminous-stud... (http://www.mmoculture.com/2013/01/luminous-studio-new-tech-demos-get-all-hairy/)

gyigyo2
30th Jan 2013, 04:39
I hope they make Agni&rsquo;s Philosophy to game (FFXVI) for next gen console


Agni&rsquo;s Philosophy is beautiful in graphics and music too characters is looked great i liked them, yes, even the hobo old man/tools/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-cool.gif. and that world they showed us i liked it really.. more than FF13 series. heck more than any Final Fantasy.


its liked real world mixed with some fantasy.





This would be Square Enix future to make more sale to their game in (Europe/USA)


not like full japanese style ff series...


Its time to make this to a game finally a middle east style FF...





This would be DAY1 buy for me.

ThatDudeJohn
31st Jan 2013, 00:41
Man, I love what I've seen but...I wonder how much of it will be practical. How much detail can you put in before the differences are so small that it really wouldn't matter if they were there or not? That's the only concern I have.

Grimoire
10th Feb 2013, 11:34
www.4gamer.net/games/032/G003263/2013020... (http://www.4gamer.net/games/032/G003263/20130207052/)

Grimoire
11th Feb 2013, 13:46
Square Enix&rsquo;s Luminous Studio Can Make Pretty Glass Bottles And Other Tech Demos


www.siliconera.com/2013/02/11/square-eni... (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/11/square-enixs-luminous-studio-can-make-pretty-glass-bottles-and-other-tech-demos/)

gyigyo2
12th Feb 2013, 04:01
www.4gamer.net/games/032/G003263/2013020... (http://www.4gamer.net/games/032/G003263/20130207052/)








Now i really want this as a GAME for next gen consoles /tools/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-wink.gif


With Producer/Director: Yoshihisa Hashimoto





and not Motomu Toriyama... and Yoshinori Kitase.

destruction7
12th Feb 2013, 05:49
Other super game with sad endings. longeeeeeeeeeeeeeer cutscenes! noooooooooooo! Agni's Philosophy! Square Enix is in her Dark age The fabula nova crisallis is so much sad.

moooka
19th Feb 2013, 09:55
Why Is Square Enix&rsquo;s Yoshihisa Hashimoto Headed To New York? (http://thesilentchief.com/2013/02/19/why-is-square-enix-yoshihisa-hashimoto-headed-to-new-york/)

destruction7
19th Feb 2013, 10:29
Survey time: form.square-enix.com/a.p/933/ (https://form.square-enix.com/a.p/933/)





Please everyone vote and tell them to not make the whole shaky cam thing.




Sorry this will keep! hehehe!

CatXFlash-418935
2nd Mar 2013, 14:45
SE ..you guys should have showed something new. I am happy to see the very same tech demo we seen a year ago running on PS3 but


was there really nothing else you could have shown us? And I do mean Final Fantasy related not Eidos... -_- you have abandon us.

Crystal_Power
2nd Mar 2013, 20:38
SE ..you guys should have showed something new. I am happy to see the very same tech demo we seen a year ago running on PS3 but


was there really nothing else you could have shown us? And I do mean Final Fantasy related not Eidos... -_- you have abandon us.




Calm dow, they're going to show a new Final fantasy at E3 2013, they have not abandon us. I LOVE Square Enix.

dcombs
3rd Mar 2013, 16:21
To be honest, I wasn't a huge fan of the machine guns. All of the other concepts presented in the demo were fantastic. I hope they create a world with a lot of South American influence (which is the vibe I get from the demo), because it's one of the few places that previous Final Fantasy titles haven't drawn architecture and mythology from.


As for Agni as a solitary character...I think they should see how the reception for Lightning Returns goes.

(whoo, first post! had to do it somewhere)

gyigyo2
5th Mar 2013, 04:44
To be honest, I wasn't a huge fan of the machine guns. All of the other concepts presented in the demo were fantastic. I hope they create a world with a lot of South American influence (which is the vibe I get from the demo), because it's one of the few places that previous Final Fantasy titles haven't drawn architecture and mythology from.


As for Agni as a solitary character...I think they should see how the reception for Lightning Returns goes.

(whoo, first post! had to do it somewhere)





Well i loved everything in the techdemo even the machine guns, i hope they make a game from this techdemo.

CatXFlash-418935
5th Mar 2013, 15:38
SE ..you guys should have showed something new. I am happy to see the very same tech demo we seen a year ago running on PS3 but


was there really nothing else you could have shown us? And I do mean Final Fantasy related not Eidos... -_- you have abandon us.




Calm dow, they're going to show a new Final fantasy at E3 2013, they have not abandon us. I LOVE Square Enix.


We shall see.... o.O http://na.square-enix.com/tools/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif

Crystal_Power
6th Mar 2013, 14:47
SE ..you guys should have showed something new. I am happy to see the very same tech demo we seen a year ago running on PS3 but


was there really nothing else you could have shown us? And I do mean Final Fantasy related not Eidos... -_- you have abandon us.




Calm dow, they're going to show a new Final fantasy at E3 2013, they have not abandon us. I LOVE Square Enix.






We shall see.... o.O /tools/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif




Square Enix will show a new FInal Fantasy for the Playstation 4.

www.finalfantasy-fxn.net/index.php?page=... (http://www.finalfantasy-fxn.net/index.php?page=article&article=Final-Fantasy-For-Playstation-4-Announced--1761)

gyigyo2
13th Mar 2013, 04:50
SE ..you guys should have showed something new. I am happy to see the very same tech demo we seen a year ago running on PS3 but


was there really nothing else you could have shown us? And I do mean Final Fantasy related not Eidos... -_- you have abandon us.




Calm dow, they're going to show a new Final fantasy at E3 2013, they have not abandon us. I LOVE Square Enix.






We shall see.... o.O /tools/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif




Square Enix will show a new FInal Fantasy for the Playstation 4.

www.finalfantasy-fxn.net/index.php?page=... (http://www.finalfantasy-fxn.net/index.php?page=article&article=Final-Fantasy-For-Playstation-4-Announced--1761)





Its must be Agni's Philosophy,/tools/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-money-mouth.gif if something else i won't buy that!/tools/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-cry.gif/tools/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/smiley-frown.gif

Crystal_Power
14th Mar 2013, 16:35
I honestly hope Final Fantasy XV is NOT Agni's Philosophy. The graphics were beautiful but the world, setting, and characters look boring, imo...


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gyigyo2
19th Mar 2013, 03:57
I honestly hope Final Fantasy XV is NOT Agni's Philosophy. The graphics were beautiful but the world, setting, and characters look boring, imo...



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That is your opinion!


mine is: better than boring looking Final Fantasy versus 13 another idiot soap opera with idiot fabula nova crystallis world,Music was terrible, boring characters like some mafias, and the world too dark,Final Fantasy Agni's philosophy is finally could bring to us something new 1000x times better in everything than FFVS 13 or FF13 sequels in my opinion.Agni and grand master was better than Noctis or Lightning, hell even that hobo old man. And i really hope Agni&rsquo;s Philosophy is the FF15!

destruction7
19th Mar 2013, 08:18
No one here knowed Noctis or Stella game or role, so i can´t say a opinion about Agnil or Versus, 13 like you two!



Crystal_Power
19th Mar 2013, 12:01
I honestly hope Final Fantasy XV is NOT Agni's Philosophy. The graphics were beautiful but the world, setting, and characters look boring, imo...



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That is your opinion!


mine is: better than boring looking Final Fantasy versus 13 another idiot soap opera with idiot fabula nova crystallis world,Music was terrible, boring characters like some mafias, and the world too dark,Final Fantasy Agni's philosophy is finally could bring to us something new 1000x times better in everything than FFVS 13 or FF13 sequels in my opinion.Agni and grand master was better than Noctis or Lightning, hell even that hobo old man. And i really hope Agni&rsquo;s Philosophy is the FF15!






Of course it's my opnion, incase you didn't know "imo" means "in my opionin". Anyways at least I was kind about it in my opinion and didn't use words like "idiot" to insult Lightning and Noctis fans...

destruction7
19th Mar 2013, 13:07
Honestly Versus 13 i don´t see nothing cool in Versus 13 is very bland!

Crystal_Power
19th Mar 2013, 17:35
After rewatching Agni's Philosiphy I think it looks, good. But still...

I prefer Lightning and Noctis.

gyigyo2
20th Mar 2013, 02:59
No one here knowed Noctis or Stella game or role, so i can´t say a opinion about Agnil or Versus, 13 like you two!











Well thats true! but honestly i dont want to play again fabula novula crystallis world,modern romeo and juliet game,or soap opera again.I need fresh and new Final Fantasy world like Agni's Philosophy.I can't say any negative thing for Agni's Philosophy world what we saw in the video.

gyigyo2
12th Apr 2013, 03:38
Hey Square you want money? then make Agni's Philosophy to be game and i buy the game first day and i buy PS4 first day.

Grimoire
19th May 2013, 01:43
3D Dot Game Heroes Developer Provided Tech For Square Enix's Luminous Engine www.siliconera.com/2013/05/17/3d-dot-gam... (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/05/17/3d-dot-game-heroes-developer-provided-tech-for-square-enixs-luminous-engine/)

Grimoire
6th Jun 2013, 01:18
Square Enix's Agni's Philosophy Listed on Amazon UK, France for PS4 www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-06-03... (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-06-03/square-enix-agni-philosophy-listed-on-amazon-uk-france-for-ps4)

gyigyo2
6th Jun 2013, 12:36
Square Enix's Agni's Philosophy Listed on Amazon UK, France for PS4 www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-06-03... (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-06-03/square-enix-agni-philosophy-listed-on-amazon-uk-france-for-ps4)





Its already delisted like versus13 this is SO SAD finally i thought Square Enix is listen to the fans and release Agni's Philosophy to PS4.Maybe they announce in E3 that would be fantastic EPIC that could be day1 buy for me! or Pre-Order.

Crystal_Power
7th Jun 2013, 19:22
First Final fantasy Versus XIII and now Agni's Philosophy? What could all this mean???

Grimoire
11th Jun 2013, 12:28
Agnis Philosophy Is Not A Game, Just A Tech Demo www.siliconera.com/2013/06/11/agnis-phil... (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/11/agnis-philosophy-is-not-a-game-just-a-tech-demo/)

gyigyo2
15th Jun 2013, 01:59
Agnis Philosophy Is Not A Game, Just A Tech Demo www.siliconera.com/2013/06/11/agnis-phil... (http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/11/agnis-philosophy-is-not-a-game-just-a-tech-demo/)








This is one of the many reason i done with Square Enix forever man Agnis Philosophy would be a fu*g great game they wasted a 1 year to develop this? and hire a singer for a techdemo they completly idiot...the characters and that big world and that mysic feeling about summoning its now completly lost,wasted, this is so shame and sad,crystal dynamics/EIDOS is a f***g great developers and they bring new games without them square enix would already died.Versus 13 should released for PS3 because of graphics its like a half PS4 game and Agnis Philosophy would have been nice for PS4,now FFXV is getting sequels like FF13 was.And i do not understand that big hype about ffxv i don'T even liked this ffxv its not impressed me at all,Akira Iwata,Brian Horton,Brenoch Adams,Takeshi Nozue and the others is deserve a chance to prove what they can do with FF world. Even EA is better gamecompany than square enix, enix is the worst of the worst imo.

UNKLEPhilosophy
24th Mar 2014, 09:02
Hello i would gladly see what happen if EIDOS/Crystal Dynamics cooperate with japanese developers make one FF title to be MULTIPLATFORM game PS4/PC/XBOXONE with Luminous engine power and that would be Agnis Philosophy or renamed to VERSUS final fantasy or something like that the battle between 2 game developers who can make better FF game (FF15 or FF game from Crystal Dynamics) WHO knows maybe Crystal D. can make better FF titles than Square enix.IMO OR Square enix maybe should rest a little and give FF title to Crystal D.Or cooperate with them, then years later Square enix JAPAN would be back to make another great FF title.Well this is my idea just a advice to square enix japan i know lot people would angry if this happen but yet another group of people would be happy or see what happens like me.

I getting tired of this FF game sequels i KNOW FF15 isn't released yet but we know FF15 going to be trilogy and this make me worry.Because i really liked FF13-1 game and after that the story was just became worse.Not to mention FF15 is still fabula nova crystallis and HAVE some connection to Lightning return or FF13-2.

Shepard30
24th Mar 2014, 15:02
What your saying is great idea and it makes sense. But that's exactly why square enix wouldn't do it. They're just far too incompetent to do anything that makes sense. So get ready for more hastily made FF sequels. The only way to save SE is to just not buy the games they make they deserve and SE did this to them selves. If you love Final Fantasy then don't buy Lightening Returns and X/X2 HD.

UNKLEPhilosophy
25th Mar 2014, 10:40
The last FF game i buyed it was FF13 limited edition i really liked that after that no that was the last, the other later FF games i just borrowed from my friends...

UNKLEPhilosophy
22nd Sep 2014, 10:32
So anybody with me? to wish agnis philosophy to be game?
I dont care what platform it is: PC,PS4,XBOX or multiplatform just make it already!

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/09/05/square-enix-recruiting-staff-new-studio-will-focus-console-rpgs/

Agnis Philosophy should they 1st game! i would happy about that! or just make it to FF16.

After we saw from FF15 Sports car,no chocobo,modified version of real cities etc.. FF15 is the most realistic FF game right now, i think this rate agnis philoshopy would a be a great game too, its looks interesting world, characters.

FF_Romancer
28th Sep 2014, 19:52
Wait for FF16. IF the Agnis Philosophy will be a game, it will probably be a FF game and FF16 is the prime candidate.

Grimoire
26th Jan 2015, 23:01
Square Enix Streaming Agni’s Philosophy Tech Demo And Tomb Raider (http://www.siliconera.com/2015/01/26/square-enix-streaming-agnis-philosophy-tech-demo-tomb-raider-shinra-technologies/) Through Shinra Technologies (Siliconera)
- Shinra Technologies (http://www.jp.square-enix.com/shinra/) will hold a technical beta test in Japan starting on February 17.

UNKLEPhilosophy
4th Feb 2015, 17:29
ughh why not make agnis philosophy into full game? it would be a dream come true to me and other people who love agni, but no you just show us again techdemo things.. yeah figures...SE hates ff fans.

Grimoire
1st May 2015, 02:02
Microsoft BUILD - Real-time "Art&Tech" demo

Square Enix, Microsoft, NVIDIA Point Way Through Uncanny Valley (http://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/04/30/build-demo/) at Microsoft BUILD
- Many tech demos end in tears. Square Enix’s moving demo during the keynote at Microsoft’s BUILD 2015 developer conference this week might be the first where that’s exactly the point.
- Square Enix Shows Off Next-Gen Graphics Tech That Will Be Used In Final Fantasy XV (http://www.siliconera.com/2015/05/01/square-enix-shows-off-next-gen-graphics-tech-will-used-final-fantasy-xv/) (Siliconera)
- Final Fantasy XV, Agni’s Philosophy @ Build ’15 (http://www.finalfantasy.net/xv/final-fantasy-xv-agnis-philosophy-build-2015/) (Final Fantasy Network)
- Square Enix reveals new real-time tech demo using DirectX 12 (http://www.novacrystallis.com/2015/04/square-enix-reveals-new-real-time-tech-demo-using-directx-12/) (Nova Crystallis)

Sammy_Kneen
1st May 2015, 11:46
Microsoft BUILD - Real-time "Art&Tech" demo


It looks absolutely mind-blowing! I am PRAYING that this is going to be Final Fantasy XVI.

ajboarder
4th May 2015, 03:46
It looks absolutely mind-blowing! I am PRAYING that this is going to be Final Fantasy XVI.

As amazing as that would be, I expect they'll just continue using Agni's world as the setting for all their new tech demos.

Grimoire
8th May 2015, 19:33
The Square Enix London Podcast: Episode 3 (http://eu.square-enix.com/en/blog/square-enix-london-podcast-episode-3)

- This time around Phil, Dan, Cat and Toby sat down to discuss the latest Square Enix news including Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, the Witch Chapter 0 [Cry] tech demo and the latest Final Fantasy XV ATR.

FABLAINE
15th Jul 2015, 08:43
Hello everybody,

As said in the title, this is the link of the Techdemo : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXSUHD8R6po

Ok, it's just great, even if that needs four graphic cards !

But I have a question, not about graphics, but about the music :

Please, does someone know the soundtrack from 41th second up to end ?

I think that it's a soundtrack of a movie, but which one ?

Thank you very much,

Best,

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FABLAINE
26th Jul 2015, 16:51
Hello everybody,

Please, it would be great if someone could help me :

I'm looking for the music theme from this demo, which begins at the 41th second, and which goes to up to the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXSUHD8R6po

I think that the soundtrack comes from a movie, but which one ?

Thank you very much for your answer,

Best,