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27th Oct 2002, 02:00
Banner Transmigration has been simplified and perfected.:D Now it is possible for anyone to pass completely through a banner if it is hung across a large enough opening in the right manner.

This breakthrough came about because Danventry asked me how I had managed to pass completely through a banner. I had done this about two years ago when Banner Transmigration was first invented by Sneak, Old Man, and myself during a tag-team Perfect Thief run at Shipping and Receiving. The basic technique of Banner Transmigration was reported by Sneak in the Thief 2 Ghost Perfect Thief Results (see Archives here (http://forums.eidosgames.com/old-ubb)). This basic technique was sufficient to loot the trunks in Davidson's cabin, but it left you stuck in the banner, not passing through it. I had used a different technique to pass completely through the banner, but I could not remember exactly how I had done it. Curious, I went back today to Davidson's ship in Shipping and Receiving to try and repeat it. I could not repeat it. The method I had used before was too random and unpredictable. It had worked for me only 3-4 times in 2-3 weeks of effort. Nobody else was able to do it then, so it was not scientifically verifiable.

So, I started playing around with different techniques today, and I stumbled on one that is easy and reproducible. It is easier, in fact, to go all the way through the banner and back out than to use the escape technique that we originally reported.:) The same method is used going in both directions, and it does not take advantage of the angled wall that we used for a wedge effect.

Here is a picture of me (Garrett) inside the trunk space in Davidson's cabin.


The procedure I used is explained in detail, with pictures of most steps, in this link (https://home.comcast.net/~smithpd1/Bnr/Transmigration_Perfected.htm). I believe this method should work for any banner provided that:

(1) there is a wood ceiling above the banner, on both sides of it;

(2) the banner is hung directly from the wood ceiling;

(3) there is enough headroom and maneuvering space to stand up and jump onto a rope arrow.

I hope you enjoy reading about it. I would be interested to know if you can reproduce it, and if anyone is aware of any other banners with which this method can be used.:)

27th Oct 2002, 03:48
Peter Smith - Wow. Excellent description. I have been successful in banner transmigration before in Shipping and Receiving but I never executed it so flawlessly as you have described. It seems so simple, your refined method could become routine on playing any missions that require banner transmigration.

I had a saved game in Shipping and Receiving just before I was about to banner transmigrate on captain davidsons ship. So I loaded it up and just tried the procedures you listed step by step and it works. Of course, it took me a few times and I started banner transmigration with the notion that I would have to jump around alot and try random movements and leans. But I was able to attach myself to the rope in the interior alcove behind the banner and then get through in only one try.

When I originally tried passing through the banner in the past, I had always kept the rope arrow in the wall on the outside of the banner. I was never able to get through the banner totally; only enough that I could highlight the chests and loot them. The randomness and chance of getting through could result in hours of moving around.

As for any other missions with a banner similar to this one, I don't believe so. There a few I can think of, but banner transmigration could never be attempted due to a non wooden/earth surface or lack of rope arrows. I will have to keep my eye out for any banners that allow you to try this technique.

27th Oct 2002, 05:48
Bravo Peter,
I will have to give that a try. Looks some easy. ;) :D

Especially after all the wild manuevers the three of us had done!


By the way, I haven't been back in Davidsons Cabin in a while. But after we had done it I went back in a bunch of times over several months and could Transmigrate the Banners every time I went in. So it has always worked for me.

So when are you going for a Door.................wall?

27th Oct 2002, 18:58
Good report, Peter. You and the BT gang worked long and hard on this technique, and are to be commended for inventing something truly unique for the game. :)

BT sounds like even I could do it now. I shall give it a try sometime. Like crate stacking and Nudging, I don't think it will make it into my "normal" repertoire, but its nice to know that a rather dusty bag of tricks sits in the corner, just in case I get desperate and really need it. ;)

27th Oct 2002, 20:37
Zaccheus watches in amazement from the sidelines

Cool stuff there, Peter!

I can't wait to see what you guys are going to do to the Havok engine in Thief 3!

28th Oct 2002, 02:18
Wow! You really got into this! Thanks Peter, and a very well job done! This helps a ton and I bet everyone has learned a lot from this.:)
If anyone doubts this method (which I hope not) I just reproduced it (Thanks again Peter!). The hardest part is the second rope arrow, so keep trying if you can't get that part. Anyways, I hope this doesn't become a routine thing in FMs because it's no fun as a thief to HAVE to do Banner Transmigration, unless the FM is directed towards die-hard players (and trust me, I"m working on one you will ALL like).

Old Man
1st Nov 2004, 10:09
I finally am getting around to checking into this, Peter. But that link gives the ever popular 404 error. Could you redirect please? Thanks.

2nd Nov 2004, 02:58
Done. Now filed with new ISP. Enjoy. :)

BTW, I can't see the links to my web space in this thread without first disabling my firewall. I have no idea what gives with that. I have displayed other links with no problem. Any ideas?

2nd Nov 2004, 03:10
Thanks Peter. I have been trying to recover that one for a year or two. The system I had it on originally crashed and took out some of the THIEF files I had on my backup HDD.

As for the links, can't offer any meaningful suggestions.

2nd Nov 2004, 04:45
The pics or links are not appearing because they contain spammy text in their URL. When I disabled by firewall and saw the link, the first thing I noticed was "Banner" in the URL. If your firewall includes web content filtering, as does Norton's, then it is likely that its ad-blocking feature is blocking the links in the content delivered to the web browser.

As a test, I cleared my firewall logs and visited the site while my firewall was active. Nope, no pics or links. I then checked the logfiles (something you need to get used to when employing a firewall), and found it was blocking content. The report was:

Content Blocked:

Date Time: 11/1/2004 10:33:30 PM
User: Supervisor
Action: Blocked
Type: Ad
URL: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8250
Data: A href="https://home.comcast.net/~smithpd1/Banner/Transmigration Perfected.htm" (Reason: "/banner/")

Well, the web content filtering feature (ad-blocking) of the firewall was doing its job and blocking content based on a suspicious string within the URL known to be commonly use by advertisers (i.e., "/banner"). Norton Internet Security with its ad-blocking will block URLs with "/banner.", "/banner/" (which is the one in your URLs), "/banner=", "/banner_images=", and "banners".

With firewalls becoming more pervasive along with integrated web content filtering (or separate products to provide content filtering), web authors have to be careful about what they use in their URL links. The workaround on the user's end (other than disabling their web content filtering) would be to define an exception to the content filtering that allows "banner" in URLs for that domain. However, that requires that users are aware of what caused the problem (which means they need to review the logfile to see the block action).

2nd Nov 2004, 07:30
LOL. :D Thanks, Vanguard. Rather than make everyone change their firewall rules, I changed the name of the folder to Bnr. That should do it.

I also edited your long string so the thread would not be so wide. :)

Old Man
2nd Nov 2004, 08:08
Thanks Peter & Co. Now I can access the content.

BTW, my IE also cautions that the link is "secure." Dunno what that is. Similar to on-line banking and like that. No problem. Just curious.

Thanks again.

2nd Nov 2004, 23:56
The link is:


The https:// protocol qualifier uses SSL via HTTP so it will make a secure connection. I don't know why Peter is using SSL for a secure connect since it uses more resources than a regular HTTP link.

4th Nov 2004, 03:26
Originally posted by Vanguard
The link is:


The https:// protocol qualifier uses SSL via HTTP so it will make a secure connection. I don't know why Peter is using SSL for a secure connect since it uses more resources than a regular HTTP link.

I am using it because the ISP told me that was the link.

6th Mar 2005, 17:21
Never hurts to try http: instead of https:. ;) (May be an old post, but a good one at that)