View Full Version : [SPOILER] Chris@Crystal - Some force-ful questions...

Divine Shadow
3rd Oct 2002, 12:01
Hey Chris, a few questions here, I hope you don't mind.

Blincoln spotted this in Blood Omen 2, specifically, parked in the Industrial Quarter.


I think we all know what the above is...:


This, DARTH VADER'S TIE FIGHTER parked in Nosgoth, is a revelation. I see the games in a different light now, and have many many questions..:

QUESTION ONE - What is Darth Vader's TIE FIGHTER doing in Nosgoth? Has Darth Vader crashed here? Or, is the Sith Lord on a scouting mission for the Empire, for a possible Stormtrooper invasion?

QUESTION TWO - As the pictures show:


The games greatly hint that Moebius the Time Streamer and The Emperor/Darth Sidious are the same person. They both look remarkably similar, they both wear similar robes, both are capable of producing holograms, and both are complete and utter gits. Also, most importantly, aha, they have never been in the same place at the same time! So Chris, could you clear this up once and for all please. Are they the same person?

If so, then what is The Emperor doing on Nosgoth, pretending to be a time-streamer? Presumably, it has something to do with the presence of Darth Vader.



It is obvious that Blood Omen 1 Vorador is a Wookie. Why did Janos choose to turn a Wookie into a vampire, instead of a human? Is Vorador related to the famous rebel pilot Chewbacca?



Kain has the ability to use Force Lightning, a skill only Dark Side Jedis (SITH LORDS!) can have. When did Kain turn to the Dark Side of the Force? Is this anything to do with Moebius/The Emperor, or the yet unseen presence of Darth Vader?

QUESTION FIVE - In Soul Reaver 1, Raziel uses both FORCE projectiles and the FORCE Glyph. He is using the FORCE all the time! My question is this, When did Raziel officially become a Jedi?



Why do the Hylden worship the Death Star (mk. 1)? Pictures of it are everywhere in The Device and The Hylden City. Perhaps a deal was struck with Moebius/Emperor Palpatine?



Why on Nosgoth is Yoda leading the Cabal? And why so tall, he seems to have put on six feet!


That's all for now Chris, and I understand that these questions could lead to major spoilers for Soul Reaver Episode III. So, I don't mind if its another 'All will be revealed in time'.

Thanks a lot. And may the force be with you.

Power reaver
3rd Oct 2002, 13:02
Yikes , that is wierd , Darth Sidious is Moebius , now thats an unexpected twist .

3rd Oct 2002, 14:17
Weren't there some Star Wars references hidden in the code too? Blincoln?

3rd Oct 2002, 17:03
that is excellent. really funny. :D :D :D


3rd Oct 2002, 18:28
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D


3rd Oct 2002, 19:59
Haha rad. Yes, there are a number of Star Wars references in the BO2 code as well. And of course there's the Darth Maul-approved polearm you can pick up.

3rd Oct 2002, 20:32
Devine Shadow,
You have found us out. And we thought no one would. Due to our strict agreement with Lucas Arts, I can only answer questions in a yes/no manner.
Here are some answers to your questions:
1. What is Darth Vader's TIE FIGHTER doing in Nosgoth?
2. What is The Emperor doing on Nosgoth, pretending to be a time-streamer?
3. Why did Janos choose to turn a Wookie into a vampire, instead of a human?
4. When did Kain turn to the Dark Side of the Force?
5. When did Raziel officially become a Jedi?
6.Why do the Hylden worship the Death Star?
7. Why on Nosgoth is Yoda leading the Cabal?

In actuality, Yoda is not the leader of the Cabal, although I do think jedi powers might be at work in Nosgoth. We here at Crystal Dynamics have watched Star Wars a few too many times, but you have found similarities we did not even realize were there.
Thanks for making me smile today. :)
Crystal Dynamics

Divine Shadow
3rd Oct 2002, 21:15

Thank you Chris, for being such a good sport, and for giving us those answers!

So, Lord Vader IS in Nosgoth, but his boss, Emperor Palpatine, is NOT Moebius. Vorador IS a Wookie, and Kain HAS turned to the Dark Side of the Force. Raziel IS a Jedi, the Hylden do NOT Worship the Death Star, and YODA IS BO2 VORADOR! (though not the leader of the Cabal)

"Not need any false curtesies from you Kain, I do."

Soul Reaver Episode III sounds like it is going to be an absolute hoot! Darth Vader (The Dark Forces, obviously an abbreviation for The-Dark-Side-Of-The-Force(s)) is going to be a truly great advesary. And, we don't know who human Raziel's biological father is....

Thanks again Chris! Now, get Kurt Harland, Jim Hedges and Michael Peaslee working on there own mix of Imperial March for SR3!

4th Oct 2002, 08:16
LOL....Oy vey...

4th Oct 2002, 08:38
LOL Funny stuff that is, Divine Shadow! I never put any of that together, with the exception of the Vorador/Yoda thing. Vorador, as far as looks go, always reminded me of Yoda. And, of course, they both live in the swamp.http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/grinser/grinser018.gif


Umah Bloodomen
4th Oct 2002, 09:00
Im dying...really. I am laughing so hard. Hahahhahaha.

Figures Lucas would have a hold on Kain. :p

Could be worse, could be Bill Gates. LOLOLOL.

"Alas poor Skywalker, I knew him well. Well, not really."

4th Oct 2002, 09:47
LOL, well done Divine Shadow!

4th Oct 2002, 19:45
....but still funny to think about. All these jokes about it finnaly all come together in one post. Great stuff!!!! Really need to post more again.

Umah Bloodomen
13th Dec 2003, 09:40
Unfortunately Shadow, you shouldn't be reading this again until AFTER you receive Defiance, however I simply couldn't resist reviving your old thread. ;)


Without further adieu, on with the program. :D

QUESTION EIGHT: If you recall from Episode I and II, Nute Gunray and Rune Haako were the mischevious Neimoidian Trade Federation officials...

Click to View Exhibit 1B - Nute Gunray (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/nutegunray/index.html)
Click to View Exhibit 1B-a - Rune Haako (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/runehaako/index.html)

Defiance clearly presents the original Ancient Guardians as being Neimoidian members of the Trade Federation and indentifies both Rune and Nute amongst their ranks. Can you confirm that the Ancients were in cahoots with the Sith (specifically Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine/Moebius)? More importantly, does this confirm that The Elder God is the master-of-all Sith? :eek:[/spoiler]

QUESTION NINE: In Return of the Jedi, we witnessed an awe-inspiring battle between Jedi Luke Skywalker, and Jabba The Hutt's most prized possession, the Rancor...

Exhibit 2B - The Rancor (http://www.starwars.com/databank/creature/rancor/index.html)

Come on, guys; A pit beneath a temple? A big ugly monster that receives sacrifices from above? It smells funny, it's mean, it's pretty powerful. It's obvious Turel is a Rancor not a bat. Does this confirm that Nosgoth is actually the homeworld of the Rancor species and NOT Dathomir as was previously believed?

The force is strong with Crystal Dynamics. :D


13th Dec 2003, 09:46
Let's not forget the similarity between a lightsabre and Raziel's wraithblade...

13th Dec 2003, 10:31
You crack me up Umah, but it could not be avoided. :)

"These aren't the bugs you are looking for... We can go about our business. Move along... Move along."


13th Dec 2003, 10:56

Umah Bloodomen
13th Dec 2003, 16:53
Originally posted by Chris@Crystal
You crack me up Umah, but it could not be avoided. :)

"These aren't the bugs you are looking for... We can go about our business. Move along... Move along."


Hahahhahahah! Priceless. :D

13th Dec 2003, 18:35
Originally posted by Chris@Crystal
We here at Crystal Dynamics have watched Star Wars a few too many times, but you have found similarities we did not even realize were there.
Thanks for making me smile today. :)
Crystal Dynamics

You have also played to many;
Played To Much Final Fantasy Games
Watched To Much Invader Zim
Read to Much Penny Arcade

Would also like to add he Pepsi has given me a year's supply of Diet Vanilla Pepsi, 12 2 liters of Crystal Pepsi and now pays for all my Yugioh cards ^_^
I would also like to add as soon as the 2nd part of coding arrives Royal Mail I will finish compiling and distribute my file extractor
I am hyper
golly crystal dynamics have made alot of games over the years
I think I should quit now
no I really should.....

Ken Cow!
13th Dec 2003, 20:50
this is the greatest topic ever.

13th Dec 2003, 21:32
this is too funny....roflmao

Janos of Uschtenheim
13th Dec 2003, 22:19
I had a feeling those Ancient Guardians in Defiance looked familliar... and the Hylden symbol too. Oh man, my eyes are tearing, this is so funny. ::gathers up all of the games and starts playing again to find any more uncanny reminders:: Unfortunatly, I can't find any good screen caps from Defiance...

It's got me!! - Sarlacc (http://www.starwars.com/databank/creature/sarlacc/index.html)
Is it me, or did the daring escape Raziel made from the clutches of the Elder God in Defiance remind you of Lando's encounter with the Sarlacc pit

Umah Bloodomen
14th Dec 2003, 01:00
Right on, Janos! :D

14th Dec 2003, 01:35
this is hilarious!!!

As long as we don't come across a Jar-Jar, I'll be happy!

18th Dec 2003, 23:17
Love it. Fabulous stuff there, Divine Shadow. I noticed the downed TIE Interceptor, the Death Star-looking Hylden glyph, and Kain's purple lightning but that Moebius + Palpatine comparison... I never saw that coming. :D
Instead of the Neimoidians, however, I was reminded of the creepy Imperial dignitaries (http://cgi.theforce.net/theforce/multimedia/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Images/Classic_Trilogy/Characters/Emperor_Palpatine/Return_of_the_Jedi&image=emp_digs.jpg&img=&tt=) when I first saw the Ancient Pillar Guardians. :p

Umah Bloodomen
19th Dec 2003, 00:42
Maybe a combination of the two? :D

Divine Shadow
27th Dec 2003, 02:40
Wow, I DIDN'T expect to see this thread ressurected, almost Raziel like from the swirling abyss of the lower pages. Thanks Umah for bringing it back!

The REALLY unfair thing is though that I'm only in Chapter 3, and can't highlight any spoilers. Drat drat and double drat. But I will be back on Defiance's completion to see what you've asked.

Maybe with some more questions of my own. I mean, WHERE is the Emperor? Or Chewie, Han, Vader, Obi-Wan or Leia!? I could understand you saving Emperor Palpatine to for the later levels, I mean he's a blooming Scene Stealer, but the others? Come on, its Chapter Three, one of the characters should have been in it?

Maybe I'm missing something.....

And don't get me started on Turelzevir's lack of presence...

though I've already figured out that the person Moebius is talking to in the cave is none other than HIM

Umah Bloodomen
27th Dec 2003, 02:54
I picked Frank the Sexy Sluagh out though. :p

Divine Shadow
27th Dec 2003, 04:03
Umah -

Frank asked me, well, he passed me a note because he never speaks, but he was so touched that you remembered him, and spotted him in Defiance, he wanted to thank you with a signed photo:

Frank's autograph (http://members.aol.com/mappsimon/f1.jpg)

He didn't do a bad job considering he has only three claws and holds the pen in his jaws, but hey, I'm so jealous.

Frank NEVER gave me a signed photo. Ever.

Umah Bloodomen
27th Dec 2003, 04:06
That Frank. What a sweet (and sexy) sluagh. (He makes ol' Biscuit jealous you know?) :p

I might have to display that on my site if Frankie is up to it. ;)

27th Dec 2003, 18:35
look for a site about a unlockable character named turelzavir djpick

9th Mar 2004, 01:23
that is to wierd

LOK kain is the greatest
9th Mar 2004, 02:44
God. this is mad........but fun:D i think jar jar looks like Vory would if he got a cold. all droopy eared:p :D

2nd May 2004, 04:06
Hiya Peeps,

Im not a Star Wars fan, then again I have never watched a single episode but Im thankful to Divine Shadow who was gracious to provide his findings with us. Its interesting to learn of the creators inspiration for continuing the legacy and seeing how it has evolved and where certain "coincidences" came from.

Hope theres more to uncover about CD that Chris is probably hiding away in his big trench coat :p.


2nd May 2004, 05:02
LOL, i never knew there were so many Starwars refrences in Lok

2nd May 2004, 12:02
Originally posted by Omni_Sephiroth
LOL, i never knew there were so many Starwars refrences in Lok

the only refrence i saw was the the tk that kain & raziel have its like froce grip :)

3rd May 2004, 12:51
i just jot a lotr (Lord Of The Rings) refrence well it just reminded me of it when u see Turel in Avernus he gose or mental haveing a convosation wit himself like Goulm in the two towers did any 1 else notace this or is it just me

3rd Dec 2005, 06:36
I came across this image and well...


Shockingly similar isn't it?


Images courtesy of AllPosters and Time Streamer

Umah Bloodomen
3rd Dec 2005, 06:39
Yeah, but Vader technically predates LOK so he wins. :D

Much obliged for pointing out the similarities here, LOKFan. :)

And making me drool over ye olde black armored one ;)

EDIT: I need to track down Divine Shadow now that I'm thinking of it. We need to replenish missing images from and get this hosted (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=6385)


3rd Dec 2005, 06:46
conscious or not vader is a wannabe kain.

Umah Bloodomen
3rd Dec 2005, 06:50
conscious or not vader is a wannabe kain.

That's it; you're banned!!!

:p :D

3rd Dec 2005, 15:43
OMG!!! Kain has gone to the dark side... sweet

3rd Dec 2005, 16:58
I'm fairly confident I could find a hundred similar pictures of knights and the likes in that exact pose that predate the pic of kain by a few CENTURIES. I hardly think that picture was copied from LOK

3rd Dec 2005, 17:35
the "B"!! i almost had a heart attack!!!





4th Dec 2005, 11:32
Hmm. . . I had forgotten about this thead. It still makes me laugh :D

8th Dec 2005, 22:51
the "B"!! i almost had a heart attack!!!





Must have drank some "Red Bull"...

16th Dec 2005, 11:37
eh...spiral!!! man have not heard from you in a while how are things with the suits?

Umah Bloodomen
16th Dec 2005, 22:07
eh...spiral!!! man have not heard from you in a while how are things with the suits?

Kindly subscribe to his thread or ask him via private channels (PM's and/or email) as I fail to see what his costume work has to do with this thread.

Thanks. :)

Apocrypha Roxy
16th Dec 2005, 22:22
Wow. :eek:
How did I miss this thread from so long ago?!
This is brilliant!

(and the similarities are eerie... shpooooky...)

21st Dec 2005, 16:55
:) Amusing

15th Jan 2006, 02:22
Just found this thread and actually did a little pee :D

That Kain/Vader-wings-pic looks wicked!
I always wondered why Moebius reminded me of someone. Soft voice, wickedly scary.


17th Jan 2006, 09:51
LOL im going to see legacy of kain in a whole new light now. next thing you know somone will find an x-wing shape in sr1

18th Jan 2006, 02:38
maybe it's just me but I fail to see the resenbulance between Vorador and Chewbacca.

The rest are uncanny though

16th Jun 2007, 01:24
:cool: Just discovered this today. LOL, very funny. :lol: :D :rasp: