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LARAMANIAC
27th Sep 2002, 20:08
Having just indulged myself in Top of the Pops - due to the fact that Bon Jovi were performing their new single Everyday tonight - I would like to ask the BBC - why the censorship?????? The no. 1 was Pink - Just Like A Pill - but she wasn't there to perform it. The presenter reckoned she had missed the bus and would be there to perform her hit single next week. Now at first I thought, thats a mighty strange excuse for a star not to turn up, but what the hey I suppose its still possible in the 21st century for public transport to be unreliable - shock - horror!! Anyway then the video for the song was shown - but - the words had been changed!!!! :eek: Instead of - "I can't stay on your life support, there's a shortage in the switch. Can't stay on your morphine its making me itch. I said I tried to call the nurse again, but she's being a little *****." We got - "I can't stay on your life support, there's a shortage in the switch. Can't stay on your life support its making me itch. I said I tried to call the nurse again, but she's being a little twitch." Now why would that happen - why would they change the words - why did Pink not perform on the show?????????

I smell some sort of conspiracy here, I understand the watershed thing, but the word morphine and ***** are hardly hardcore!!!!! What the hell is going on? Has something happened that I don't know about? The radios are all playing the song using the correct words - so what happened on Top of the Pops?????
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Data
27th Sep 2002, 21:55
The BBC are very wary of what they consider to be in good taste, so I would hazzard a guess that the song or artist in question fell into that category.

You could always ask here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/content_form.shtml?(none))

LARAMANIAC
27th Sep 2002, 22:07
As always Data - thank you for the information - I will do just that!!! Seems like double standards to me again - double standards and the BBC - I having a feeling of deja vu going on here - I wonder why???? Hmmmmmmm...........
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Kurtis Trent
27th Sep 2002, 22:50
Thats really weird!! Why would they change lyrics for such a minor thing?

DaveJ
28th Sep 2002, 07:37
Pink probably refused to perform on the show once she heard she'd have to change the lyrics. I can't say I blame her.

Like most pointless censorship, it not only makes the artists original intent miss the target by miles ("she's being a little twitch"?!!), it also draws more attention to the whole thing than it would had they left the damn word in.


And like you said, its hardly protecting the hearts and minds of the fragile if they have already heard the word on radio and were singing along to it as was.

:rolleyes:

What REALLY annoys me about the whole censorship thing, is TV stations cutting some of my favourite shows (Alias, Family Guy etc) so they can be shown in the tea-time family slot.
For the love of Buddha!
If these shows aren't suitable as is to be shown at this time, surely that would suggest - to even the dimmest of light-bulbs - that the show should be on at a LATER TIME SLOT GODDAMMITT! :mad:

Thanks for being a lovely audience....I'm here all week.

THE True Lara
28th Sep 2002, 08:47
Changing one word doesn't bother me too much, after all it's one performance, and whilst yes, it is annoying, I can at least appriciate the reasoning behind it. It's a tea time slot, little kids watch TOTP. Hey, Beautiful South released an alternate more polite version of Don't marry her.

The TV programme editing really annoys me though. It's not like they change one word, they'll cut whole chunks and ruin the story. If they can't leave it alone show it later. Hell, Sky had Alias, Brimstone, Angel, and alike all on after the watershed, and if they can't edit it down for the 6 o'clock slot they'll put it on at 2:30am?! What's more maddening is when they edit things down not for the censoring value, but just to put advert breaks in. Seven scenes were edited from The Princess Bride the second-to-last time ITV showed it! And they were kind of important to the plot line?! UGH!

deeeppppppppp breaths, deeeppppppp breaths................
and relax.

DaveJ
28th Sep 2002, 08:54
Originally posted by THE True Lara
It's a tea time slot, little kids watch TOTP.

Like LARAMANIAC said, those little kids also listen to the same, un-expurgated song on the radio. Or MTV.
;)

THE True Lara
28th Sep 2002, 08:57
Fair point, but it doesn't mean they have to exasperate the situation, the beeb, after all aren't MTV are they?

the_internet_king
28th Sep 2002, 09:15
hm :confused:

DaveJ
28th Sep 2002, 09:27
Originally posted by THE True Lara
Fair point, but it doesn't mean they have to exasperate the situation, the beeb, after all aren't MTV are they?

True m'dear.

But they ARE Radio 1....
;)

THE True Lara
28th Sep 2002, 10:03
don't go there...........

Miss Croft
28th Sep 2002, 10:12
I know!!! I happen to love that song and it was ruined! Its like the "Stan" Eminem thing. Everyone had seen the video and everyone knew what happens yet they wouldn't show it. it wasn't exactly that bad anyway but "Just like a Pill" is completely mellow compared to it

Prelude
28th Sep 2002, 19:45
Yeah this sucks. Wasn't there a song a little while ago called, I'm a *****! I think that's what is was called, I can't remember who sung it either, anyway it went; I'm a *****, I'm a lover, I'm a child, I'm a mother, I'm a siner I'm a saint I do not feel ashamed, I'm you hell I'm your dream, I'm nothing in between, you know you wouldn't want it any other way.

Something like that anyway, my point is, that didn't get censored so why is Pink's song. :confused: Beats me, it just sucks.

All I know is you can say *****, but just don't say boobs! ;)

Goose Master
28th Sep 2002, 19:55
You people are complaining about songs! you should watch movies on ITV. Any bit of violence with a drop of bloodin is taken out and any offencive swearing to. Take for example Die Hard when he says his famouse pun "Yippie ki yae mother F@#*er then turn it in to Yippie ki yae Hans!". It even happens on videos you have to wait a couple of years before the full uncut version of the film comes out take a look at that Evil Dead film the uncut version took 20 years to come out!!!!!.............20!!!!!!!!!!! when you buy a product you expect to get the full thing not some cheap 2 bit movie the same with TV you watch a movie or listen to a song past the 10pm watershed and you expect the whole thing.

LARAMANIAC
28th Sep 2002, 20:23
I think the censorship stick was brandished more because the song is about a drug trip. The word morphine is hardly an offensive word, yet they chose to censor that one out too. I genuinely think that the BBC wanted to ban this song from TOTP altogether but didn't have the balls to do it. The video for the song was shown over the credits at the end of the show, but it was clipped quite short. Good on Pink, if you are correct DaveJ, and she was a no-show due to her unwillingness to censor her song. It's quite ridiculous really, the smut that is available on late night television makes Pink's song pale into insignificance really. I understand the watershed thingy, but I mean please just have the gumption to ban the song - which at least would mean Pink would sell even more copies!!!!! Irony eh??? - what a concept!!!!
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Oh btw in comparison to the Pink song - did anyone catch the video for the new Holly Valance song - that is soft porn!!!!! - but that was shown on the Saturday morning kids programme - go figure eh!!!

Les Effant Terrible
28th Sep 2002, 23:45
*********

Prelude
29th Sep 2002, 00:28
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Lil Lara
29th Sep 2002, 06:20
first--what is top of the pops? lol, thanks. :p

one of my friends family is from england and such--and i thought that they were very loose with their censoring? like...they were showing adventures of priscilla, queen of the desert(great movie) and i think i recall her saying that it was uncensored. now i'm confused. oh well.

:confused:


oh yeah. i dont think LET is very welcome here anymore, or is that just me? :rolleyes:

DaveJ
29th Sep 2002, 08:18
Originally posted by Goose Master
you should watch movies on ITV. Any bit of violence with a drop of bloodin is taken out and any offencive swearing to. Take for example Die Hard when he says his famouse pun "Yippie ki yae mother F@#*er then turn it in to Yippie ki yae Hans!".

I work for ITV. :)

If you like I can send you a copy of the ITC guidelines we (ie all TV channels in the UK, bar the BBC, who have their own policy) have to adhere to regarding compliance issues.

Not all movies on ITV are cut, but if they are shown before the watershed, there are certain things that cannot be shown or said. That applies to ALL the channels, you'll find.

It should also be known that many movies are made in two versions....the cinema version and then a TV version. ITV didn't re-cut "Die Hard"....what you saw was the TV version cut by John McTiernan, the Director.


As to video censorship...the whole 'video nasty' affair in the 80's had a knock on effect which lasted years in this country, and is only now being relaxed. Hence the release of uncut Evil Dead, Straw Dogs, any version of The Exorcist etc.

THE True Lara
29th Sep 2002, 08:26
Originally posted by Prelude
Yeah this sucks. Wasn't there a song a little while ago called, I'm a *****! I think that's what is was called, I can't remember who sung it either, anyway it went; I'm a *****, I'm a lover, I'm a child, I'm a mother, I'm a siner I'm a saint I do not feel ashamed, I'm you hell I'm your dream, I'm nothing in between, you know you wouldn't want it any other way.


wasn't it Meredith Brooks or something? Yeah, that's right it was Meredith, and was just called '*****'.
Sorry, didn't actually have anything else to contribute. :D

DaveJ
29th Sep 2002, 08:28
"I'm a twitch, I'm a fibber...."

Goose Master
29th Sep 2002, 09:10
DaveJ have you ever seen the full versions of Assasins or Eraser i have many times on tv and video and there was alot more violence then they showed and also both are rated 15 and both were showed way after 8 o'clock.

DaveJ
29th Sep 2002, 09:18
Yes I have both here at home.
The copy of "Eraser" I own is the US version, never seen in this country.
Even the home video for this is still, strangely, cut in this country.

The law governing the editing of films for video release is in the hands of the BBFC.
The ITC are a different body.


The watershed in this country is 9pm. But to err on the side of caution, that doesn't mean violence is suddenly upped at the stroke of nine bells...

Goose Master
29th Sep 2002, 09:29
The american version of eraser? is there alot of new things or small scenes that were left out. I understand about the 9 oclock thing but assasins was on at 10 and wen people died it would take a while before you realised. I thought that the ITC were the ELSPA or somthing.

DaveJ
29th Sep 2002, 09:42
Mostly small edits for violence.
Has the version of "Eraser" you saw got the train crashing into the car at the end? For some reason that was cut out of a lot of UK prints of the film. Maybe there had been a similar real-life incident in the news at that time? That affects cuts too.

As to "Assassins"...I have no idea why it would be cut at that time...even after the watershed there are rules governing how much violence one can show...the number of stabs from a knife, the number of shots from a gun into the same victim.

The reasoning behind it all is that if you go to the cinema to see a film, that is your choice. If you rent/buy a video you are inviting it into your house.

But TV is classed as an uninvited guest. If you sit down to watch a movie purposefully - fine. But if someone else is channel-hopping and sees a multiple stabbing on a movie which offends them, then we have to be - sadly - answerable to them and their complaints.

It sucks, but it may help to think of it this way:
Because of the way commercial channels are funded, the programmes are only there to fill the gaps between commercials.

And for the record, I NEVER watch movies shown on TV.


Thats what DVD is for.
;)

Data
29th Sep 2002, 09:58
Originally posted by DaveJ


As to video censorship...the whole 'video nasty' affair in the 80's had a knock on effect which lasted years in this country, and is only now being relaxed. Hence the release of uncut Evil Dead, Straw Dogs, any version of The Exorcist etc.

And Clockwork Orange perhaps....... My brother said he saw it in the cinema and thought it was excellent, however when it was finally released and we both watched it, he said, he couldn't see what he ever saw in it and I am still trying to fathom its message; if it had any. :D

Data
29th Sep 2002, 10:03
Another thought on censorship. I have observed that if a program or other is censored, then people complain and yet if there is no censorship where possibly there should be, then people complain. I would imagine a healthy balance therefore should be acceptable. :)

DaveJ
29th Sep 2002, 11:03
I try to maintain a balance by commending people when they DON'T censor stuff.
;)

"A Clockwork Orange" was pulled from circulation by Kubrick himself, after it was blamed for a series of copycat beatings of the homeless, shortly after its release.

It was only re-released recently after his passing.


Its message is there in big shiny letters.....even to this day, if not more so.

LeeO
29th Sep 2002, 14:26
Originally posted by DaveJ
Pink probably refused to perform on the show once she heard she'd have to change the lyrics. I can't say I blame her.


She's (or was) on tour in the States. That's why she wasn't there. :)

Trinity34
1st Oct 2002, 21:01
You talk about the movies/music being censored but what about the news?

DaveJ
2nd Oct 2002, 08:10
Same reason as movies...."uninvited guest" policy.

Many European TV stations have different guidelines on what can and can't be seen on the news.
Like a B C/U* of a dead body.
What you see in one country is tame compared to another. Most adhere to a good taste philosophy, without losing the facts.
Others are dictated by propaganda.

Edit = * Big Close Up.

Lord Croft
2nd Oct 2002, 09:22
I watch VIVA and VIVA+ and they rarely censor videos.

In Eminems' Without Me the "*****", "f*** you dammit" weren't edited out. (I did the censoring here because of the TOU)

Puddle of Mudds' She hates me featured lyrics "she f***ing hates me and it stayed.

Also P!nks' video wasn't censored.

VIVA RULES.

THE True Lara
2nd Oct 2002, 10:03
of course they don't actually have to swear in the first place you know..........

LARAMANIAC
3rd Oct 2002, 22:59
yes, but the use of swear words can be to emphasise a point - they are words!!!
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LeeO
4th Oct 2002, 19:26
Originally posted by THE True Lara
of course they don't actually have to swear in the first place you know..........

They can if they want. They are adults. And they are only words.

"Will Smith don't have to cuss in his songs to sell records, well I do, so f*** him and f*** you!" - Eminem

DaveJ
5th Oct 2002, 09:04
That Eminem...what a wacky guy.
Kinda like a new Weird Al Yankovic with Tourrette's.

If the mark of adulthood is now ones ability to use profanity, I'll stay in the Resistance, thanks all the same.

And if Eminem has to use it to get people to listen to him, he can't have anything of any real importance to say.

THE True Lara
5th Oct 2002, 09:24
did he ever anyway.... :rolleyes:

**angelic**
5th Oct 2002, 18:07
I watched TOTP last night and they hadn't censored Pinks song. Probably 'people' complained so they decided to put them back in. That was nice of them.

DaveJ
5th Oct 2002, 18:13
Good on them!

Ironically, I noticed that MTV UK now DO censor it during the day, so the nurse is now a "little switch".

She must be the Nurse in control of the machine that goes "PING!"

Goose Master
5th Oct 2002, 18:19
Im sure i can guess

SuzieCroft
8th Oct 2002, 16:33
All off the following is just IMO. If you have a problem with it... kiss me. I don't care, to be honest... besides, it's not like anyone forced you to read it

Censorship is for the weak and those with something to hide/gain. Those to scared to admit that people might use "those" words... what children! Do they not realise how people talk? Have they never been in a school playground? Do they not understand that the youth of today udnerstand and reguarly use most words, including c*, f*, sh*, and a whole bunch others...

Of course young children should *not* be exposed to these imo... but... that's what parenting is for! Yes, kiddies, stop looking so shocked. I said the "p" word. Parenting is not simply providing your child with a roof and occasional food. It is about teaching a child right and wrong, left and right, black and white... (and if anyone takes that to be racist I'm personally gonna kick their a*). ...How can any responsible parents let young kids listen to Em and the others uncut? It's parents repsonsibility to bring up their kids.

Not Pinks. Not Ems. Not Hollywoods, and not TV. So why are those the ones who always fall under fire when the issue of censorship and the influencing of the young is raised?

Or am I missing something here?

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DaveJ
8th Oct 2002, 16:51
Originally posted by SuzieCroft

Censorship is for the weak and those with something to hide/gain.


You make a good point regarding responsible parenting (in an ideal world where parents watch their kids 24/7) but yes...you are also missing something.

Censorship is much more than trimming swear words.

Tell me how the censoring of battered corpses in news reports, or a full blown sex scene in a pre-watershed programme is "weak" or "hiding/gaining" and you'll be in line for a job with the ITC.