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Sephiroth110
1st Aug 2002, 02:13
ok, i put some gor into the lockdown brig for "fakeing crop circles" he was put in there, and when he came out, i decided to hire him, i was in great need, well, i looked and he still had his record. i tried to put some fuzzers by him, and they wouldn't re-arrest him, is he still a crim or does it just say that. anyone know?

Dracoraptor
1st Aug 2002, 02:51
It just shows what they have done. Once they are punished, they can turn good or bad again. And faking crop-circles is nothing, go see what Ghyron has done. :D

Arctic_Wolf
1st Aug 2002, 05:18
Actualy Dracoraptor when a crim is rehabbed they have their Criminal records erased. As the F1 Help says repeat offenders are rare but can and will occur. You can't re-rehab them until they actualy commit another crime.

Pinky the Cow
1st Aug 2002, 06:53
Nope.

There are criminals and convicts.

Convicts are to be rehabilitated.
Crims can be expelled.

Convicts lose their crim.record after rehabilitation.
Crims retain their crim.record after rehabilitation.

Both of them strive to leave your station right after rehabilitation.

If a peep has something in his crim.record then he gets 50% bonus to his armor rating. As crim retains it then if you hire him he still has that bonus and behaves just like normal peep. He'll become criminal again if his soul is too small.


Thus it's good to hire rehabilitated criminal peeps.

kool_kats_rule
1st Aug 2002, 11:04
I remember there was only one grey on the station, and I needed a doctor. I went to look at him and realised he was being taken to a lockdown brig. I waited and hired him when he go ut, and he was my best employee in that game. So there you go.

Sephiroth110
1st Aug 2002, 11:26
how did you find out about that 50% bonus in armor for crim peeps, does the f1 thing tell you all that? when i used it, i didn't get too much.


oh, and another question on crims. i know grey crims don't help people in the sick bay, but what about targ and salthog, do they do their skill at a negetive or just no work at all. same for gor, do they just take up a spot in the control room, or do they make it so your control level (for breaching) is lower.

SkrasherSmasher
1st Aug 2002, 13:28
Never ask where Pinky gets his info. Last guy who did found himself in an alleyway with only one eye and three kidneys.

And I'm pretty sure they apply negative when they are crimming. (Hee hee I made a word.) I've seen salthogs steal from a recycler burst, but again Pinky or Dracoraptor with their 'sources' could bring light to the subject.

Dracoraptor
1st Aug 2002, 17:38
List of Crimes That can be Commited by E.T.s

Siren: Negative love hit makes peeps sad (Prooven)
Zedem: Makes peeps unhappy (Prooven)
Gem Slug: N/A (Excretes less turdite)
Salt Hog: Steals Money (Unknown)
Kasvagorian: Lowers sercurity level (Prooven)
Turraken: Slows Research (Prooven)
Grekka-Targ: Attracts less peeps to the station (Prooven)
Karmarama: Emits bad Karma waves (Prooven)
Grey: Kills peeps instead of healing them (Prooven)

Level 1 Crimes:

Spat in the primordial soup
Sent nuisance radio-wave messages
Memau smuggling
Bad poetry
Faking crop circles
White dwarf-throwing
Impersonated the god of a primitive race
Failed to pay Pole-Star Tax
Mooning
Asking to be taken to people's leaders

Level 2 Crimes:

Invented nine ridiculous plans from outer space
Used primitive computer technology to control invasion fleet
Took over the mind of less intelligent being and made them look spooky
Opened wormhole close to busy planet
Harrassing primitive flying machines
Repeatedly played simple synth riffs during the hours of darkness
Gave away the secrets of superior technology
Crashed into the desert region of a small world
Sending enormous lizards or dinosaurs as emissaries
Appeared in terrible low budget sci-fi movie

Level 3 Crimes:

Dripped acid on other life-forms
Rippled the space-time continuum
Unauthorised mind probing
Face hugging
Exceeding the speed of light
Appeared in a form of computer entertainment
Came in peace then shot to kill
Body snatching
Broke the law of physics
Jay-spacewalking

Level 4 Crimes:

Quasar-tampering
Hunting primitive muscular humanoids
Mutilating cattle
Spawn breeding
Pretended to be a phantom and menaced people
Performing unnecessary surgery
Breaking and entering restricted solar systems
Space piracy

Level 5 Crimes:

Loitered with intent to cause a supernova
Raised evil mutant zombie army from beyond space
Unauthorised primitive experimentation
Possession of a concealed lasersword
Tampered with the past
Tampered with the future

Level 6 Crimes:

Mind melting
Starship hijacking
Extinguishing suns
Abducting primitive humanoids
Extinguishing suns

Level 7 Crimes:

Erupted from hosts chest
Gestated within unwilling life-form
Unlicensed possession of ultimate doomsday device

Level "Ghyron" Class Crimes:

Attempted slavery of entire galaxy
Attempted eradicating of sentient life

Level "Ghyron II" Class Crimes:

Attempted annihilation of all matter in the galaxy

Pinky the Cow
2nd Aug 2002, 06:07
My remarks:


Siren: Negative love hit makes peeps sad (Prooven) - Wrong, 'love' increases but 'mind' gets hit pretty badly
Zedem: Makes peeps unhappy (Prooven) - Wrong, 'soul' is decreased greatly making peep more likely to become a criminal that way
Gem Slug: N/A (Excretes less turdite) - I'm not sure if there are criminal slugs, don't recall seeing one
Salt Hog: Steals Money (Unknown) - The slow down the production in the factories and pocket 50 e for each time they operate recycler
Kasvagorian: Lowers sercurity level (Prooven) - Probably, your fuzzers would wander more aimlessly than before and Security Column range will decreasei/i]
Turraken: Slows Research (Prooven) - [i]If working enough, criminal Turraken can even redirect your research to upgrading existing one rather than researching a new tech. I think so.
Grekka-Targ: Attracts less peeps to the station (Prooven) - Wrong, their negative constituent of your pool will render detection of tradeships, patients ships, puilgrims ships, solar flares and starquake shockwave detection less likely to happen.
Karmarama: Emits bad Karma waves (Prooven) - Yep
Grey: Kills peeps instead of healing them (Prooven) - That's just decreasing 'body', but if it's sufficient he'll kill a peep.

My sources? Moodsin.txt (or smth like that) and one of Mucky Foot peeps has told before about that 50% bonus.

Dracoraptor
2nd Aug 2002, 06:41
Those are all right, I've read the code before. I just didn't want to be picky and exact...

Yes, crim Slugs do exist.

(If Love goes down, than everything else goes down. Therefore, they are "Sad" (And wouldn't unhappy mean angry?). Same thing happens when anything else is down. Check the moods files for when certain moods are low. But if every mood is high, it continues to climb. It is the art of chain-reaction.)

IE


MOOD_BAD_LOVE: What happens to a peep if its 'love' is minimal
mind body soul love nour sleep fun toilet drunk
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Scutter)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Wheel Scutter)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Hover Scutter)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Police Scutter)
-3 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Salt hog)
-3 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 (grey)
-3 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 (gor)
-3 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 (targ)
-3 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 (karmarama)
-1 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 (zedem)
-3 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 (scientist)
-3 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 (siren)
-3 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 (male siren)
-3 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 (gem slug)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (penance suit)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (goma)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (goulifor)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (haerocan)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (vermin)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Memau)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (Spawn)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 (spy)


This process ultimately leads to their death if they are unable to cure it.

Pinky the Cow
2nd Aug 2002, 07:29
Originally posted by Dracoraptor
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MOOD_BAD_LOVE: What happens to a peep if its 'love' is minimal...

Love is minimal = 'love' is less than 3000

If love goes down from 9675 to 9674 then it goes down independently.

kool_kats_rule
2nd Aug 2002, 10:46
Crim sirens have lightning coming down and striking peeps, instead of all those nauseatingly pink hearts.