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Apache
20th Jul 2002, 04:17
Got this email tonight..
http://www.mensa.org/index.html
there is a test to take there..interesting..i took it..time for me to stop playing games and hit the books..
13 out of 30

Komag
20th Jul 2002, 05:08
Sort of half intelligence, have knowledge test. For example, no matter how intelligent you are, you have to have a good vocabulary to know of certain words being words!

LeatherMan
20th Jul 2002, 06:27
I have taken lots of similar tests in the past. My father always had Mensa books around, as well as puzzle books of a similar nature, and I would spend hours on them.;)

I always do well at problem solving, but I am lacking in the creativity department. :(

Peter_Smith
20th Jul 2002, 06:48
Thanks for the link Apache. Very entertaining. I missed many of the anagrams and word stuff because I ran out of time (30 minutes). It takes me too long to unscramble those. Math came through. 20 / 30 :)

Lytha
20th Jul 2002, 08:30
Hm... one of the better tests of that kind on the web, but it has a lot of extremely language-dependant items. (or I became a bit rusty. Hmm... no. The problem was that I had to read the questions more times than I would have had to do in my native language, and no chance at all for the verbal factor (I'm bad at them in any language, hehe.) Hm... I'm still rusty, however.) :)

Zaccheus
20th Jul 2002, 12:42
Mensa is a very well known and established.

bravus
20th Jul 2002, 15:38
I got 26, but ran out of time on a couple of the word ones. I usually have more trouble with mathy stuff, but they were easy and the word ones tricky, I found. I wasn't even close on the two unscramblings. I also want to argue with the judges that I found an alternate correct answer for one of the questions, which I won't reveal here until everyone has had a go.

Thanks for the link, Apache, it was a lot of fun. I've tossed around the idea of applying for Mensa a few times, but most of the bigger tests I've tried suggest I'm somewhere on the border of eligibility :p ;) , and the tests cost money as does the joining fee, and I have enough of a social life already without joining a club, and while I enjoy hanging about with bright people (hey, I'm here ain't I?), I'm not su sure about haning about with bright people who *define* themselves by their intelligence - I'm a happy husband and Dad first, and someone who likes to read and game and write... being somewhat (borderline!) bright is a long way down the list of who I am, IMO.

Bravus

Komag
20th Jul 2002, 16:32
Originally posted by bravus
I also want to argue with the judges that I found an alternate correct answer for one of the questions, which I won't reveal here until everyone has had a go.


now I'm curious! My "alternate" was on the January=20 question, but I don't really think my reasoning is as good as theirs, but it wasn't just a GUESS, but some little reasoning :)

Danventry
20th Jul 2002, 16:33
:D 22 out of 30, though I've taken Mensa tests before (my dad got me a book with a bunch of tests in it) so it should be a little less than that if it were my first time like most of you.
PS I don't know if any of you remember me, but I used to be here a lot. My computer was hacked and it took forever to get it fixed so it would even turn on correctly.

clayman
20th Jul 2002, 18:21
23/30...I stopped after about 19 minutes and submitted. Left 4 blank as I cuoldn't guess at the word scrambles. This kind of stuff alternately entertains me and frustrates me. Most of what I missed was the word stuff, which surprised me as the obtuse math usually trips me up on these things. The unscramblings really flustered me, I'm usually Ok at that kind of stuff. The January 20 one was a head slapper, I missed that one too then felt foolish when I saw the answer. :)

GMan
21st Jul 2002, 01:00
Wow Bravus, that's a high score. I got 23/30, which I believe ties me with clayman for the absolutely perfect score, though. :D

Bravus, which number did you think had two answers? I too found the math easy and the language-based questions difficult. Ran out of time on the scrambling puzzles.

This spring I was playing Scrabble with my mom, who usually trounces me. I was playing around with "yen" but it just wouldn't fit across a "triple word" square. I was just about to bunt with "yen" when "doyenne" just popped into my head. Got a great word with all seven tiles, easily put me over the triple square, and I got to enjoy a rare victory over mom.

(I know, it's sad when you have to rely in life on beating mom--it's just that she is really good. What's next, maybe I'll challenge her to a Thief level ;) ).

Whatz His Name
21st Jul 2002, 01:30
19 out of 30.... now I know I'm as dumb as a rock. :D

Zaccheus
21st Jul 2002, 08:59
Originally posted by Whatz His Name
19 out of 30.... now I know I'm as dumb as a rock. :D

I got 19/30.
:)

I've also got an alternative answer for question 16.


All you DromED heads out there:
I hope you all got question 27 right (How many four sided figures are in this diagram? )
:D

Zaccheus
21st Jul 2002, 09:04
Originally posted by Danventry
PS I don't know if any of you remember me, but I used to be here a lot. My computer was hacked and it took forever to get it fixed so it would even turn on correctly.

Sure we remember you!
:)

bravus
21st Jul 2002, 12:55
OK, it shouldn't mess things up if I post my *incorrect* (in the scorers terms!) answer to question 16. I said it was 'tea': a tealight is a little flat candle (i.e. a cylinder whose long axis is shorter than its diameter). It wasn't what they were looking for, but it does work, at least for Aussies and probably Poms. Should have remembered it was an American quiz though!

Bravus

amievil?
21st Jul 2002, 21:50
i got 13 of 30. the test is unfair, especially on the questions that ask what word can go in front of all of these......the word i wrote in WILL go in front of them. just becuase i didnt use thier word im wrong? bull....!

GMan
21st Jul 2002, 22:10
Bravus, in US English we have "teatime", but not "teabreak". I've heard "tealight" but it didn't appear in my dictionary, so I don't know whether it's a contraction or not.

amievil, just curious, what did you come up with as yours?

Apache
21st Jul 2002, 23:43
Originally posted by amievil?
i got 13 of 30. the test is unfair, especially on the questions that ask what word can go in front of all of these......the word i wrote in WILL go in front of them. just becuase i didnt use thier word im wrong? bull....!

i'm with your..to me it seemed like there were a few trick questions thay could go another way.


Originally posted by GMan
Bravus, in US English we have "teatime", but not "teabreak". I've heard "tealight" but it didn't appear in my dictionary, so I don't know whether it's a contraction or not.

amievil, just curious, what did you come up with as yours?
I checked the dictionary online ..not there either..very strange..i know it is a real word..well, it has to be.

amievil?
22nd Jul 2002, 00:02
gman, to be honest i dont remember what i put in heh... ive been busy since i posted my response and now i cant remember what i came up with. i just think that there can be more than one answer to those questions. i also didnt take the test too seriously :D

amievil?
22nd Jul 2002, 00:07
oh and tealight should be written as tea light, making it two words. same as teabreak....tea break. at least thats my opinion. but there has got to me more words than just "day"

bravus
22nd Jul 2002, 04:21
Hi again all. 'Teabreak' I think is more an Australianism, an alternative for the increasingly inaccurate 'smoko'! It might be an unusual construction, but I didn't think it was too much of a stretch. Didn't find tealight in Merriam-Webster (which is very 'Merkin), but Google yields lots of hits, and they're all the exact definition I gave above, so that must prove something. ;) I did the Google thang for 'teabreak', and found a few, though intriguingly some of the top ones were in Japanese...!?

Anyway, I guess their answer works better, but my response and amievil's suggest that this mightn't be a particularly good design for a question... or maybe it just proves we're sore losers! :p

Bravus

Belboz
22nd Jul 2002, 05:08
I got 3 out of 30

:rolleyes:

SlyFoxx
22nd Jul 2002, 13:27
14/30....in 22 minutes. Left a few of the word things blank cause I thought it would be wrong to just guess and maybe get lucky. My fave questions was the math problem with the fruit. Was scratching my head 'till I relised (I think) you have to look at the answers to really be sure. From the chart I could tell cherrys and strawberries were either 2 or 3 but could not figure for sure which was which. When I finally looked at the possible answers there was only one possibilty so that's the way I went. Did anybody figure for sure which was which w/o looking at the possible answers?


Thanks Apache. That was fun. Even though Mensa is sure to not want me.:D

yubetcha
22nd Jul 2002, 16:10
I got 19. I left a few blank. Didn't even want to mess with the scrambles.

bravus
22nd Jul 2002, 17:46
SlyFoxx, I don't think there's enough information in the matrix alone to determine whether it's cherries or strawberries that is 2 or 3: it's actually the fact that only a certain answer is available that pins down which is which.

Bravus

Komag
22nd Jul 2002, 18:23
No, there is enough info - in one way they add to 5 with one of each, and in another row they add to 8, with two of one and one of the other. So you know they must be 2 and 3, and the one that had two of them must be the 3 since that's how it came to be 8.

GMan
22nd Jul 2002, 19:43
There is an easy way to do it without looking at the answers. The "total" column must equal the "total" row at the bottom since each item is counted once both across and down. Figure this number, then it's easy to work backwards to get the answer.

bravus
22nd Jul 2002, 20:11
Two excellent explanations of different ways of solving it, which disprove my point. My way also works (i.e. not caring whether it's 2 or 3 and checking the answers), so that shows there are at least 3 viable ways to solve it, which is cool and shows something about intelligence...

Hate to continue going on about Question 16, but (a) the fact that there's only one right answer voids the richness of the one above, and makes it a less powerful question and (b) without revealing their answer, there's at least one of those (the last one) that, in Australian English, and probably English English, would be written as two words rather than a compound word, so it works both ways. So it's not an intelligence test, it's an American-ness test! :p

Bravus

GMan
22nd Jul 2002, 22:50
Bravus: God bless the red, white & blue (awwright, now is somebody gonna' tell me how to make one of those smilies with the tongue sticking out). ;):D

bravus
22nd Jul 2002, 22:56
I'm very pleased, but perhaps a bit puzzled, that you want God to bless the French... ;) :p <--- that's how you do it!

Bravus

GMan
23rd Jul 2002, 02:57
Bravus, not "God bless the French" but "God bless the Tour de France," :D , but I don't think I really need to ask for that, I guess, because it looks like He already is (s****** s******). BTW, aren't the Texas flag colors red white and blue as well? Maybe BA or sneak can chime in. I'm pretty sure they are.

BTW, it looks like your Down Under boy Robbie McEwen is doing a great job hanging on to the Points Jersey. It's exciting to see someone give Zabel a run for his money.

Zaccheus
23rd Jul 2002, 12:02
Originally posted by GMan
Bravus: God bless the red, white &amp; blue

Cuba!
:D

Danventry
24th Jul 2002, 02:26
Yes, Texas is red, white, and blue too.

notmyrealnick
24th Jul 2002, 04:57
If you want to know what Mensans REALLY think about, go here:

http://ourworld.cs.com/comgamesig

theBlackman
24th Jul 2002, 06:16
Originally posted by GMan
..."God bless the Tour de France," :D

Not to ruin your day, but the USPOSTAL service just upped our postage to 37 cents. They are spending over 25 MILLION (that's MILLION folks) to sponser Lance and his crew. Advertising that they really don't need.

For a outfit that is supposed to provide "public service(s)" to waste that money and cry poor-mouth is another example of GOV-SPEAK BS! :D

LeatherMan
24th Jul 2002, 06:19
Interesting link notmy. The featured game is Thief! (coincidence?)

Of course, what else would be the thinking gamers favorite game!:rolleyes:

SlyFoxx
24th Jul 2002, 12:14
to waste that money and cry poor-mouth is another example of GOV-SPEAK BS!.................. Blackman


Yes sir. Another good example. Just remember we can only give examples on the forum. To list them all would certainly crash the server. :D

sly

GMan
25th Jul 2002, 03:05
Thanks for the tip, tBm. :p Gottit.

My understanding of the rate hike is that it was coming anyway, but with the added expenses stemming from the anthrax scare, particularly in NYC, that clinched the deal and USPS had no trouble getting their largest corporate clients to support the hike.

As for the Postal Team, that was a marketing campaign to try to capture European market share in the delivery business (where of course cycling is more popular). It's cheaper to build market share now when the market is expanding than to build it later when growth would have to come at the expense of a rival. I believe it has been a successful strategy, but I haven't followed that recently. Too much fun to follow just Lance.

I'm pretty sure the USPS is privatized now, or at least self-sufficient in a way it historically wasn't. Except of course that veterans still get preferred hiring. I'll have to check that out.

theBlackman
25th Jul 2002, 03:16
Nothing personal GMAN, I too follow Lance.

But as a note. The USPS cannot do business in Europe, and those who ship DHL, UPS, and FEDEX, are well aware of the ability -or lack there of- of the USPS for delivery.

The USPS can SHIP to the world from the USA but cannot Pickup outside the CONUS from private business or individuals.

They cannot become a global entity. They can hope that US businesses use them to ship, or that (HA HA HA) a foriegn business requests that the US supplier use USPS, but that's as far as it goes.

They can open no offices, warehouses, or other facilities outside CONUS that "retail" to the world market as can DHL, FEDX, and UPS.

Mails are sorted in CONUS, put aboard the appropriate transport and delivered to a sorting center in whatever country that mail is consigned to.

Komag
25th Jul 2002, 07:31
25 mil pricetag

3 cent stamp hike

That's around 825 mil letters to pay for it. Probably pay for itself in a day I think. Anyone know for sure how many letters the USPS moves every day?

yubetcha
25th Jul 2002, 12:03
Originally posted by theBlackman
Nothing personal GMAN, I too follow Lance.

But as a note. The USPS cannot do business in Europe, and those who ship DHL, UPS, and FEDEX, are well aware of the ability -or lack there of- of the USPS for delivery.

The USPS can SHIP to the world from the USA but cannot Pickup outside the CONUS from private business or individuals.

They cannot become a global entity. They can hope that US businesses use them to ship, or that (HA HA HA) a foriegn business requests that the US supplier use USPS, but that's as far as it goes.

They can open no offices, warehouses, or other facilities outside CONUS that "retail" to the world market as can DHL, FEDX, and UPS.

Mails are sorted in CONUS, put aboard the appropriate transport and delivered to a sorting center in whatever country that mail is consigned to.

You must've seen the same news show I did. Don't forget about all of the other things the USPS has gone into that they are losing millions on...like mouse pads, just for one instance. And they...er....I mean WE...also paid hundreds of thousands to move two execs, who still live close enough to have the same offices. They sure didn't move very far. If I have to pay my own moving expenses, why shouldn't they? And hundreds of thousands of dollars??? This idiocy makes me want to cheer for their competitors.

GMan
25th Jul 2002, 20:04
No offense taken, tBm. I'm always curious and eager to learn more. USPS doesn't have their own presence in Europe, but the do use a system of partners to get packages back and forth.

I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the USPS ( :D ), but I don't doubt they have made lots of blunders along the way. Anyone know of their connection to the government, I believe they are now at least partially privatized?

theBlackman
25th Jul 2002, 20:10
Originally posted by GMan
...USPS doesn't have their own presence in Europe, but the do use a system of partners to get packages back and forth. ...



They have formed an association with UPS. I think that some foriegn deliveries are routed through UPS for Same Day or three Day service.


http://www.postalwatch.org/2000_05_31_ppb19_anti_trust_main.htm

http://www.usps.com/history/his1.htm

GMan
27th Jul 2002, 02:21
Thanks for the links, tBm. I'll check them out. Sounds like a case of strange bedfellows. ;)

Komag
27th Jul 2002, 06:08
HIJACKED! :D

Nazgaul
29th Jul 2002, 17:26
I got a 25 out of 30 on that.... very cool - I always loved to do those kind of puzzles and things when I was a kid. It's just always seemed like fun to me and not really like work - except that Grid/Picture one, but I just worked backwards on it. Everything else was patterns which is something I seem to be able to see well >shrug<

Nazgaul