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JefTheReaper
5th Jun 2016, 09:17
So I've been looking for a answer around the web, but like usual there are just to many people who don't give the OP a straight answer or just randomly start talking about something completely different.

So I'm posting this in the hope somebody can give me a straight answer on the question,
Exactly "when" is Hitman (2016) actually taking place?

At first due to the opening scene saying "20 years earlier" and showing 47 Joining the Agency,
I assumed this was taking place inbetween the Tutorial level and first mission of "Codename 47"
(47 escapes the lab he was made in, a full year passes and he ends up in Hong Kong for his first mission in the game, while he is working for the agency)

However in the level's of the game like France you clearly see today's technology, as well as people like Hugo using smartphones.

So does anyone even know the exact year's these missions are taking place? where in the timeline of the Hitman games is this taking place?

HohesHaus
5th Jun 2016, 09:27
I think even the devs don't know. They simply messed it up with smart phones and such. The first smartphone from a very known brand was produced 2007.

Hitman Contracts said that Agent 47 killed Dr. Ottmeyer in 2000 in Romania, as far as I remember.

JefTheReaper
5th Jun 2016, 09:43
I think even the devs don't know. They simply messed it up with smart phones and such. The first smartphone from a very known brand was produced 2007.

Hitman Contracts said that Agent 47 killed Dr. Ottmeyer in 2000 in Romania, as far as I remember.

Wish the dev's would just shed some light on this,
really if anything I hope they will just say "Absolution never happened, this is the real sequel to blood money"
Would make sense considering the way he looks, and the technology being in its current state (as there are also tablets and such in Marrakesh's market)

basically explaining that after the events of blood money, Diana and 47 simply restarted the agency on there own, (mostly Diana of course) 47 just being like usual the crown piece of the assassin units.

Its not that Absolution was bad as a game in itself, but it was a real bad Hitman game, and the story was just horrible.
seeing 47 act so much out of character and make so much rooky mistakes still gives me headaches thinking about it.

HohesHaus
5th Jun 2016, 13:10
basically explaining that after the events of blood money, Diana and 47 simply restarted the agency on there own, (mostly Diana of course) 47 just being like usual the crown piece of the assassin units.

Its not that Absolution was bad as a game in itself, but it was a real bad Hitman game, and the story was just horrible.
seeing 47 act so much out of character and make so much rooky mistakes still gives me headaches thinking about it.

Absolution was in my opinion one of the best Hitman series. To be fair, yes the rooky mistakes he did in the cutscenes was way out of character, and he should be dead already. But besides that, if you add the information about Agent 47 past from the book into account, he doesn't act out of character concerning Victoria.
At the end of Absolution you have a great point for story where the devs could have continued. But they decided to lighten his past a bit more. Dunno why they did this.
As far as I can recall, I read somewhere that the devs can imagine to do a re-mastered version of Hitman 1.

So I searched a little bit.

Agent 47 was born 1968 in the Asylum in Romania of Dr. Ort-Meyer (according to wiki)
He escaped 1989 (according to wiki)
1990 he free lanced (according to wiki)
He got hired in 2000 (According to wiki; Hitman 1 and the flashbacks of Hitman Contract's are taking place here).
Between 2000 and 2004 Agent 47 tries to retire and stays in a convent in Sicilia (Only logical timeplace, because after killing Dr. Ort-Meyer Agent 47 started to question his way of life)
Bloodmoney takes place in 2004 and 2005. In march 2004 Agent 47 gets shot (this is where Hitman Contracts takes place), and he has recovered 31 March 2004 (according to ingame dialogue in Blood money).
in 15th August 2005 Diana admits that the ICA is wiped out, and all of the left money is shared between Diana and Agent 47
In 22th September 2005 Agent 47 kills the U.S. vice president and the last of Mark 2 clones (Mark Porchezzi).
The whole time over Blood Money story, Diana was acting like a double spy for the Franchise, and destroyed the Agency. But that was all a ruse, to get the leader of the Franchise killed. Diana gets called by "her majesty" in the end cutscene of Blood money. It is uncertain if Diana has taken over the Franchise or if Diana has set up the Agency again. Regarding that the Logo of the ICA has a crown above the skull, I assume that the ICA is a british assasination group which is half freelancing but also under the controll of the british crown.
At the very end of blood money, Agent 47 seems to want to work for the triads.

In Absolution Intro Agent 47 says "In last August 10th Diana started to bring down the Agency", so Absolution in taking place in Late 2005 - 2006.

Soooo in new Hitman it says 20 years earlier wie must be in 2020. According to the devs, who said the story is taking place before Absolution all the hits you are taking are between 2000 and 2004 right after Agent 47 stay in Sicilia

doom-generation
5th Jun 2016, 13:49
So I searched a little bit.

Agent 47 was born 1968 in the Asylum in Romania of Dr. Ort-Meyer (according to wiki)
He escaped 1989 (according to wiki)
1990 he free lanced (according to wiki)
He got hired in 2000 (According to wiki; Hitman 1 and the flashbacks of Hitman Contract's are taking place here).
Between 2000 and 2004 Agent 47 tries to retire and stays in a convent in Sicilia (Only logical timeplace, because after killing Dr. Ort-Meyer Agent 47 started to question his way of life)
Bloodmoney takes place in 2004 and 2005. In march 2004 Agent 47 gets shot (this is where Hitman Contracts takes place), and he has recovered 31 March 2004 (according to ingame dialogue in Blood money).
in 15th August 2005 Diana admits that the ICA is wiped out, and all of the left money is shared between Diana and Agent 47
In 22th September 2005 Agent 47 kills the U.S. vice president and the last of Mark 2 clones (Mark Porchezzi).
The whole time over Blood Money story, Diana was acting like a double spy for the Franchise, and destroyed the Agency. But that was all a ruse, to get the leader of the Franchise killed. Diana gets called by "her majesty" in the end cutscene of Blood money. It is uncertain if Diana has taken over the Franchise or if Diana has set up the Agency again. Regarding that the Logo of the ICA has a crown above the skull, I assume that the ICA is a british assasination group which is half freelancing but also under the controll of the british crown.
At the very end of blood money, Agent 47 seems to want to work for the triads.

In Absolution Intro Agent 47 says "In last August 10th Diana started to bring down the Agency", so Absolution in taking place in Late 2005 - 2006.

Soooo in new Hitman it says 20 years earlier wie must be in 2020. According to the devs, who said the story is taking place before Absolution all the hits you are taking are between 2000 and 2004 right after Agent 47 stay in Sicilia

Beware the Wiki, for it is a false prophet :)

47 escaped in 1999, hired by ICA the same year, and performs his first hit in 2000.

Tried to retired after the events of the first game. Hitman 2: Silent Assassin takes place between late 2002 and early 2003. Contracts' original missions, except Hunter and Hunted, take place in 2003.

Blood Money begins early 2004 and runs until fall 2005.

Absolution takes place in February 2013 (except the last mission, which is set six months later in August.

HITMAN is set in 2019, 20 years after he came to the ICA, in 1999.

So, I made this, and update it. Might help you out. Click on place names to reveal more info: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_k3zUFM7xgtORKCQycG0TETr22c&usp=sharing

HohesHaus
5th Jun 2016, 14:16
Absolution takes place in February 2013 (except the last mission, which is set six months later in August.



Absolution CAN'T take place in 2013. Because in the intro it's said that Diana dumbed the agency in the last August 10th. It MUST be the August 2005. So Absolution has to take place in 2006. Eitherway the devs did a mistake or you did.

doom-generation
5th Jun 2016, 14:47
Absolution CAN'T take place in 2013. Because in the intro it's said that Diana dumbed the agency in the last August 10th. It MUST be the August 2005. So Absolution has to take place in 2006. Eitherway the devs did a mistake or you did.

"Last August" doesn't mean August 2005, does it? Just "last August". The game is set in 2013, so last August is August 2012.

JefTheReaper
5th Jun 2016, 15:13
"Last August" doesn't mean August 2005, does it? Just "last August". The game is set in 2013, so last August is August 2012.

Agreed, considering it would be very weird considering Diana pretty much dismantled the Agency in blood money, it would be VERY weird that just one year later the Agency is already back on its feet with a incredible large force of agents and funds as show in Absolution.

your first answer makes the most sense, and from the looks of it I can only guess ether Diana and 47 restarted the Agency, or they simply work as a independent hitman group (just her and 47) she as master information gatherer, and he as master assassin.

(ether one sounds badass to be fair)

HohesHaus
5th Jun 2016, 16:54
"Last August" doesn't mean August 2005, does it? Just "last August". The game is set in 2013, so last August is August 2012.

Where do you get 2013 from?
If you are talking to your friend, and lets say you were fishing two years ago. Do you say "Last August I was fishing" or "I was fishing in August two years ago"? If you were fishing last year in August you would prolly say "Last August I was fishing"




Agreed, considering it would be very weird considering Diana pretty much dismantled the Agency in blood money, it would be VERY weird that just one year later the Agency is already back on its feet with a incredible large force of agents and funds as show in Absolution.

your first answer makes the most sense, and from the looks of it I can only guess ether Diana and 47 restarted the Agency, or they simply work as a independent hitman group (just her and 47) she as master information gatherer, and he as master assassin.

(ether one sounds badass to be fair)

I'm refering to this https://youtu.be/X42aHapy3rY?t=559. Directly at the ending of Blood money Diana says "Almost all ressources are up again". And before that the wheelchair man says https://youtu.be/ajOYfliEIbQ?t=2161 "we raided the office a few days ago." - so the ICA has completly wiped out.

Concerning the intro of blood money says "last August" AND the mission briefing of the casino level in blood money, which takes place in 15th August 2005 (where Diana splitts the left money between her and Agent 47), it must be the the time period he is refering to in Absolution. So at the 10th August to 14th August Diana does the last steps to destroy the agency by cutting down the communication and telling the franchise to raid the office. The last step is to split the left money at 15th August between her and Agent 47 to give them the ICA the final blow.

In my opinion nothing elese makes sense.

Diana has wore down the ICA, and disappears. With the help of "her majesty" or the british crown or other royal families the ICA is build up in a very quick way, so to say withing 1 year.


If you say "Nope Absolution takes place in 2013", the story goes so:

Diana helps the franchise to kill of the ICA in 2005, the franchise gets killed instead, and the Agency gets rebuild within 8 years. Than at the same date, Diana kills the ICA yet AGAIN! - This doesn't make sense to me.
Furthermore I REALLY doubt that Diana and Agent 47 weren't able to hunt down the franchise by themselves! They were able to. If you can kill the vice-president inside the white house, you can kill some wheelchaired ex FBI, MI6 or whatever agent. There must be a different reason for Diana, to involve the Franchise and to kill the ICA. So lets recall the motives of Diana and the story of Bloodmoney.

Diana is AGAINST cloning or more to say, to let them expirment with Victoria (which is a gene project by ICA).
The franchise is AGAINST cloning.
So Diana does an inside job (with the help of the Franchise) to erase the ICA to get rid of the gene experiment. But ALSO to destroy the Franchise, because they know too much about Agent 47 and a rival company is always bad for business. In the end she wants to take over the ICA afterwards to prevent all gene experiments in the future. But somehow something went wrong after taking over the ICA, and she has to flee. I THINK that she thought the story is done, but Travis found out that Victoria exists, so he wanted to have her. To prevent Victoria from the ICA again, she fleed with her (only reason for me why she is keeping Victoria in her house).

On the other hand: What does speak for 2013 is the age of Victoria. I assume she is something between 12 - 14 years old. In one of the cutscenes in Blood money the wheel chair man says "Even if you have Ortmeyers documents you need a bone sample of Agent 47 to create clones". So if you say she is 13, the ICA could have taken a sample of Agent 47 in 2000 and started to create her nearly instantly.
Or Absolution takes place in 2006 and Victoria must be born round about 1992 - way before Agent 47 escaped the Assylum. That means there are two different ways of scientists in the world.

1) Ortmeyer group: Creating clones from the scratch
2) Ashford Group: Enhancing human DNA: Sanchez was created 1986 by Dr. Ashford. So Victoria would be the second evolution step. But WHO has created Victoria?

doom-generation
5th Jun 2016, 19:50
Where do you get 2013 from?

First, Absolution is set after the novel Hitman: Damnation, which is an official release, and is set in 2012, and whose story ends where Absolution's takes off.

Secondly, there is nothing in-game itself to establish a date other than present day. Present day for Absolution is 2013, as it was released in late 2012, but the game does mark out Chinese New Year in an early mission, which in 2013 took place in February.


If you are talking to your friend, and lets say you were fishing two years ago. Do you say "Last August I was fishing" or "I was fishing in August two years ago"? If you were fishing last year in August you would prolly say "Last August I was fishing"

I have no idea what argument you're trying to make here... :scratch:


I'm refering to this https://youtu.be/X42aHapy3rY?t=559. Directly at the ending of Blood money Diana says "Almost all ressources are up again". And before that the wheelchair man says https://youtu.be/ajOYfliEIbQ?t=2161 "we raided the office a few days ago." - so the ICA has completly wiped out.

Yes, the Franchise all but wiped out the ICA, but Diana built it back up after 47 killed the leader of the Franchise, Alexander Leland Cayne, or as you put it, "wheelchair man".


Concerning the intro of blood money says "last August"...

I think you meant Absolution, here.


...AND the mission briefing of the casino level in blood money, which takes place in 15th August 2005 (where Diana splitts the left money between her and Agent 47), it must be the the time period he is refering to in Absolution.

No, you're seeing the month of August being referenced in two different places and assuming that they both refer to August of the same year. That is not the case. Like Jef said: "considering it would be very weird considering Diana pretty much dismantled the Agency in blood money, it would be VERY weird that just one year later the Agency is already back on its feet with a incredible large force of agents and funds as show in Absolution". He's absolutely right. Many, many years take place between
Diana rebuilding the Agency at the end of Blood Money, and what happens in the story of Absolution.


So at the 10th August to 14th August Diana does the last steps to destroy the agency by cutting down the communication and telling the franchise to raid the office. The last step is to split the left money at 15th August between her and Agent 47 to give them the ICA the final blow.

Again, you're basing that off an incorrect assumption RE: the two mentions of the month of August.


If you say "Nope Absolution takes place in 2013", the story goes so:

Diana helps the franchise to kill of the ICA in 2005, the franchise gets killed instead, and the Agency gets rebuild within 8 years. Than at the same date, Diana kills the ICA yet AGAIN! - This doesn't make sense to me.

Not the same date, the same month, and it's within 7 years, not 8. I don't know why that is so nonsensical, it's perfectly reasonable.

Diana's first time "killing" the ICA was a ruse (I love that I get to use that word!) to gain the trust of the Franchise, which in turn was killed by 47. In Absolution's storyline, she does what she does to try to save Victoria from corrupt ICA Division Chief Benjamin Travis, who had created a genetics program without the ICA's approval.


Furthermore I REALLY doubt that Diana and Agent 47 weren't able to hunt down the franchise by themselves! They were able to. If you can kill the vice-president inside the white house, you can kill some wheelchaired ex FBI, MI6 or whatever agent.

That's exactly what they did... :scratch:


There must be a different reason for Diana, to involve the Franchise and to kill the ICA. So lets recall the motives of Diana and the story of Bloodmoney.

No, there mustn't. It was a ruse (:D). The Franchise had started going after the ICA as far back as late 2003, which is proved by this final cutscene from Hitman: Contracts: https://youtu.be/ORSeCUufRnM?t=30m33s. The scene is set somewhere between March 18th and March 30th 2004, as 47 and Diana leave Paris immediately after the events of Contract's last mission, Hunter & Hunted. In it, the following conversation takes place between 47 and Diana:

47: "You shouldn't be here. You know what happened?"
Diana: "That's why I'm here, I don't know who tipped them off, I barely made it out of Paris myself. How's your wound?"
47: "Your Doctor saved my life."
Diana: "There's been a lot of... pressure, we're losing friends: the FBI, the CIA, Scotland Yard, MI5... police all over Europe. Something's going on at the highest levels."
47: "I'll lay low until the agency sorts out its problems. If it takes more than two months, I'll find a new employer."
Diana: "That won't help you or the agency. All this pressure revolves around you, they're squeezing us to get at you. I've sensed it for a while, tonight confirmed it. But now I know where the pressure's coming from."

That right there tells us that the Franchise was up and running and going after the agency before the agency could even notice the threat. Diana playing triple-agent to ultimately save herself and 47 is a brilliant move on her part.


Diana is AGAINST cloning or more to say, to let them expirment with Victoria (which is a gene project by ICA).
The franchise is AGAINST cloning.

Yes. That is certainly circumstantial evidence.


So Diana does an inside job (with the help of the Franchise) to erase the ICA to get rid of the gene experiment.

No, you're confusing storylines. The Franchise is dead and buried at the end of Blood Money. They have no part in Absolution whatsoever.


But ALSO to destroy the Franchise, because they know too much about Agent 47 and a rival company is always bad for business. In the end she wants to take over the ICA afterwards to prevent all gene experiments in the future. But somehow something went wrong after taking over the ICA, and she has to flee. I THINK that she thought the story is done, but Travis found out that Victoria exists, so he wanted to have her. To prevent Victoria from the ICA again, she fleed with her (only reason for me why she is keeping Victoria in her house)

Same answer as above.


On the other hand: What does speak for 2013 is the age of Victoria. I assume she is something between 12 - 14 years old. In one of the cutscenes in Blood money the wheel chair man says "Even if you have Ortmeyers documents you need a bone sample of Agent 47 to create clones"

First, I don't believe that quote exists. I can't find it in the game's cutscenes. Please link if you can.


So if you say she is 13, the ICA could have taken a sample of Agent 47 in 2000 and started to create her nearly instantly.
Or Absolution takes place in 2006 and Victoria must be born round about 1992 - way before Agent 47 escaped the Assylum. That means there are two different ways of scientists in the world.

1) Ortmeyer group: Creating clones from the scratch
2) Ashford Group: Enhancing human DNA: Sanchez was created 1986 by Dr. Ashford. So Victoria would be the second evolution step. But WHO has created Victoria?

Victoria is not based off of 47's DNA, just the same technology.

Benjamin Travis created Victoria.

HohesHaus
5th Jun 2016, 20:22
First, Absolution is set after the novel Hitman: Damnation, which is an official release, and is set in 2012, and whose story ends where Absolution's takes off.

By novel you mean book?



First, I don't believe that quote exists. I can't find it in the game's cutscenes. Please link if you can.

https://youtu.be/ajOYfliEIbQ?t=2173

doom-generation
5th Jun 2016, 20:28
By novel you mean book?



https://youtu.be/ajOYfliEIbQ?t=2173

Yes, of course.

That's not quite what you quoted.

HohesHaus
5th Jun 2016, 20:33
Yes, of course.

That's not quite what you quoted.

Ok if the date is mentioned in the book, it's a fact I can't argue against.

Well the quote was analogous. You can't create a class 1 clone without the Ortmayer files, and you can't use the Ortmayer files without the bone sample of 47 -> you need a bone sample of 47 to create a clone

doom-generation
5th Jun 2016, 21:37
Ok if the date is mentioned in the book, it's a fact I can't argue against.

Well the quote was analogous. You can't create a class 1 clone without the Ortmayer files, and you can't use the Ortmayer files without the bone sample of 47 -> you need a bone sample of 47 to create a clone

I don't think Victoria is necessarily based off of the Ort-Meyer files though. Ort-Meyer's research ended in 2000, that's a big time gap for competing technologies to catch up.

TheZaqw
5th Jun 2016, 23:36
The devs have stated that HITMAN(2016) takes place five years after absolution. (In one of their commentary videos.) They said that having a hitman game take place in the future allows them more creative input on what the game could entail.

doom-generation
6th Jun 2016, 00:36
They have stated explicitly that the game takes place in 2019.

TheZaqw
6th Jun 2016, 04:20
They have stated explicitly that the game takes place in 2019.

They've also stated five years. That about rounds up to 2019.

jam13
7th Jun 2016, 17:38
Timeline

2011-2012:Hitman: Damnation (http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/7826/hitman-damnation-by-raymond-benson/)

2012 later: Hitman:Sniper Challenge (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Mnys9J-0c)

2013 : Hitman:Absolution (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvAV-Cbuy2o)

| (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01bYEelwwHc)

2019 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i4ldqM3mjg): HITMAN (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcPttPdMeSA)