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WolfPacifier
15th Feb 2016, 01:24
According to the legend of Kitezh the city was built by Prince Yuri Vsevolodovich. But no. By "Pratchett delirium" The city was built by Byzantines who moved to Siberia following the Prophet (who is never referred to in the Byzantine Empire).
Ok, they settled there (remember that by the Kitezh grad legend the city was built in the Novgorod region (then it was Novgorod principality, and by the way neither one nor the another are not located in Siberia :poke:), but Rurik dynasty is rule on those lands and this means that was Russian lands... Long, LONG ago before events in the legend). So, these immigrants built the city in Russia (how much time is necessary to build a city, I think no need to explain), and no one knew about it. :scratch:

Further. The story turns and in 1970 the "reds" came (yes, the Red Army on the own soil - USSR), and there began to look for uranium ore, but met the "locals" who started show resistance (on the Russian soil:nut:). And those red "thugs" (in the game, oh, the huge emphasis on the word "red". Not Russians, not Soviet people, namely, the "red" to make it sound disgraceful, like nazis:mad2:) decided to enslave "locals" and sent them in Gulag (of course, all kind of problems were solved this way in the Soviet Union:D).

If Pratchett said that the Byzantines built Kitezh in the legend - this is true and rightfully their land. This is was not Russian land and not Russian prince built it.
And every person in the USSR was sent in Gulag. USSR was the one huge Gulag. Soviet people only to send each other in Gulag (not to mention the fact that in 1970, Gulag is not existed:p).

I should say - Pratchett is in delirium.

qcladh
25th Apr 2017, 16:42
You're right of course - the RotTR storyline is "inspired by true events". :rolleyes: I wouldn't expect anything else from a fantasy game - though I wonder, would a real-world Lara be crazier than your average true believer? She's clearly almost as crazy as the main baddie, Konstantine, with a moral compass though.

As for Russian, i.e. Soviet history being mangled and over-simplified - cut them (the Americans) some slack for viewing it though a "red scare" lens. I hope you agree the gulag was a bad thing...? Working conditions there were probably slightly better than in a Nazi death camp.

Wikipedia has some worthwhile articles on Yuri Vsevolodovich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Vsevolodovich) (or Georgy II) and the legend of Kitezh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitezh).


Legend has it that Georgy II, Grand Prince of Vladimir in the early 13th century, first built the town of Maly Kitezh (Little Kitezh) on the Volga River... Later on, the prince crossed the rivers of Uzola, Sanda, and Kerzhenets, and found a beautiful spot on the shores of Lake Svetloyar, where he decided to build the town of Bolshoy Kitezh (Big Kitezh).

After having conquered some of the Russian lands, Batu Khan heard of Kitezh and ordered his army to advance towards it. The Mongols soon captured Maly Kitezh, forcing Georgy to retreat into the woods towards Bolshoy Kitezh. One of the prisoners told the Mongols about some secret paths to Lake Svetloyar. The army of the Golden Horde (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde) followed Georgy and soon reached the walls of the town.

To the surprise of the Mongols, the town had no fortifications whatsoever. Its citizens didn't even intend to defend themselves and were engaged in fervent praying, asking God for their salvation. On seeing this, the Mongols rushed to the attack, but then stopped. Suddenly, they saw countless fountains of water bursting from under the ground all around them. The attackers fell back and watched the town submerge into the lake. The last thing they saw was a glaring dome of a cathedral with a cross on top of it. Soon only waves remained.

This legend gave birth to numerous incredible rumors, which have survived to this day. It is said that only those who are pure in their heart and soul will find their way to Kitezh (the road to the lake is still called "Батыева тропа", or the Path of Batu). It is also said that in calm weather one can sometimes hear the sound of chiming bells and people singing from under the waters of Lake Svetloyar. Some people say that the most pious individuals may actually see the lights of religious processions (called "крестный ход") and even buildings on the bottom of the lake. For this reason Lake Svetloyar is sometimes called the "Russian Atlantis".

Russian Atlantis is the key word here. I have no idea if any of the above is true. :cool:
Notably, the pacifist aspect of the legend also didn't make it into the game.