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Oghamsmith
29th Jan 2016, 15:12
With phase 1 (http://www.nosgoth.com/blog/nosgoth-launcher-bringing-blood-loving-gamers-together-all-around-the-globe) of the Nosgoth Launcher release coming to a close (we have a couple of bug fixes to release soon), phase two of the release is closing in quickly.

The launcher development team at Square Enix London(our gamedev teams in the United States & Canada continue to work on the game) has been working to get the following ready for a February release.

Bringing Players Together
One of the more challenging aspects of developing the desktop client for Nosgoth was always going to be ensuring that Steam and desktop players can play together without issue. We also wanted to make sure that any progress you made on the Steam version of the game would be transferred over to the desktop client, and that there would be zero penalty for moving between the two platforms.

Your account & class leveling, your item unlocks and gold earned through the game, your win/loss stats, matchmaking ranking and anything else that you can think of that’s tied to your account, was previously identified via your Steam account. In order to allow you to access all of that when playing on the desktop client, we needed a way to call up that account information. With your Steam account no longer an option (it can’t be used with the desktop client), we needed to introduce a new account system to tie all of your account progress to. This is why a Square Enix Membership (SEM) account is required to play the game. We tie all of your game progress to those accounts.

Utilising the SEM account also ensures that you can matchmake against people using both platforms, that there’s no issue chatting between the two, and that you can party-up across platforms as well!


Desktop Client:
Will allow you to download and play Nosgoth without Steam.


Smaller Downloads:
As the desktop client uses its own updating system, we’ll be able to push out smaller updates (in terms of file size) to the desktop client. Note: This does not apply to the Steam version of the game which will continue to use Steam's updating system.


Username & Avatars:
Both Steam and desktop players will use a new Avatar and Username system.

You will be able to choose an avatar from a selection of Nosgoth and Square Enix related images, through the client.

Initially, display names will be unique; meaning it won’t be possible for two people to have the same display name. You will however be able to change your display name at eu.square-enix.com/ . We are investigating the possibility of removing the requirement for display names to be unique at the moment.


Friends:
We have built a new friends system backend to allow players on the desktop and Steam clients to interact with each other.

With the move to the new system, anyone on your Steam friends list, who has a linked SEM account, will automatically be imported into your new Nosgoth friends list.
When adding brand new friends, you will use the launcher.


Languages:
In addition to English, German and French; the desktop client will support Russian, Spanish and Portuguese (although these new languages are not currently supported in-game). This will allow us to communicate news & information about the game to more players than was previously the case.


Billing:
A minor detail, but when purchasing Runestones using the desktop client, an overlay will bring you through a web based purchasing process.


The launcher team in London has been putting quite a bit of work in this system. Given that we're not too far away from releasing the desktop launcher, we wanted to give you a bit of an update and let you know what to expect once that happens.

senjuj
29th Jan 2016, 15:32
without Steam
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Zarxiel93
29th Jan 2016, 15:33
Why not italian? Why you hate Italy? :(

Captain3009
29th Jan 2016, 15:45
Ohohoh, looking good. Can't wait to try this out.

Looks like 2016 will be the ultimate update year for Nosgoth. :wave: :thumb:

lucinvampire
29th Jan 2016, 15:45
Username & Avatars:

Initially, display names will be unique; meaning it won’t be possible for two people to have the same display name. You will however be able to change your display name at eu.square-enix.com/ . We are investigating the possibility of removing the requirement for display names to be unique at the moment.


Please can I check something, with the name thing, will your name be what is displayed on SE forum e.g. if you change it through eu.square-enix.com/ will it change it on other SE services?

Oghamsmith
29th Jan 2016, 15:57
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Why not italian? Why you hate Italy? :(
We don't hate Italy...we love pizza & pasta :P.

Seriously though, it's just about scope and bandwidth at the moment; we're bringing more language support onboard as and when we're able to.


Ohohoh, looking good. Can't wait to try this out.

Looks like 2016 will be the ultimate update year for Nosgoth. :wave: :thumb:

Things are looking pretty good indeed :).


Please can I check something, with the name thing, will your name be what is displayed on SE forum e.g. if you change it through eu.square-enix.com/ will it change it on other SE services?

Theoretically yes, although I have heard some people mention that their name doesn't always update on the forum; but that's another matter. Updating your name via https://eu.square-enix.com/en/profile/edit/basic will update your name in the launcher and in-game.

Zarxiel93
29th Jan 2016, 16:03
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We don't hate Italy...we love pizza & pasta :P.


This mean in future you will try to add italian? This is great :D

Oghamsmith
29th Jan 2016, 16:07
This mean in future you will try to add italian? This is great :D

There's a BIG maybe around that. There are plenty of languages around the globe to try and cover :/.

tarek2547
29th Jan 2016, 20:20
I know it's something trivial but can you please make a add friend option i mean without steam system because to add a someone in steam you should have bought atleast a game that cost 5dollar and for some players (like me^^ ) that created a steam account just to play nosgoth ..... you know its just somthing ridiculous to buy a game to get a add friend option and then use it in other game like nosgtoh (and btw i am not the only one who is not familiar with using the steam in nosgoth ^^) so yeah i wish if you can make your own adding friend system in the game and ofcourse i will be very thankful to that (sorry for my bad english )

Psyonix_Ryan
29th Jan 2016, 20:46
I know it's something trivial but can you please make a add friend option i mean without steam system because to add a someone in steam you should have bought atleast a game that cost 5dollar and for some players (like me^^ ) that created a steam account just to play nosgoth ..... you know its just somthing ridiculous to buy a game to get a add friend option and then use it in other game like nosgtoh (and btw i am not the only one who is not familiar with using the steam in nosgoth ^^) so yeah i wish if you can make your own adding friend system in the game and ofcourse i will be very thankful to that (sorry for my bad english )

We mention this in the original post, but hopefully this clears things up:
Using the Nosgoth Launcher, you'll be able to add friends without making a Steam purchase (as you'll be using a different friend system). We cannot bypass Valve's requirements for Steam games but by having a non-Steam version (aka the desktop launcher), we're able to make our own rules.

As long as you use the new launcher and your friends have on Steam have a Square-Enix account, you'll be good to go to add friends that play either the Steam or desktop version of Nosgoth.

tarek2547
29th Jan 2016, 21:27
oh sorry i didnt notice that you mention it before , thank you soo much :) and ofcourse they have a square enix account

Psyonix_Ryan
29th Jan 2016, 21:37
oh sorry i didnt notice that you mention it before , thank you soo much :)

No worries! Glad to clear that up for you :)


and ofcourse they have a square enix account

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Nurgor
29th Jan 2016, 22:14
i still dont get why ppl hate steam so much... in my point of view this whole launcher thing is unnecessary and unneedingly resourceconsuming...
the launcher only fixates the idea that there will never be a trading system. friendslist, avatars, heck even square enix account link was there before, in steam. The launcher makes things so much more complicated. For example i always have steam open on my pc, cause its my main source of games and stuff, with the launcher i have to do 3+ extra steps before i can play(starting launcher, logging in in launcher, closing/minimizing launcher, etc.). Also if Nosgoth gets completly anti steam, how am i supposed to check how good/experienced my opponents/teammates are before a match? i cant look up their hours spent in the game anymore then...
and i didnt even mention the problems a lot of players have with the launcher, it being buggy or not working at all.
so pls remind me why exactly nosgoth needs its own launcher?

Da_Wolv
29th Jan 2016, 23:28
So, does that mean ESL will need to use the SE Account to verify players in the near future?
How will that transition go?

Farnbeak
30th Jan 2016, 08:52
Oghamsmith,

Is it right that after the final launcher realease steam players will be able to launch the game directly without the middle layer of the Sq Enix launcher since we'd be finished with the testing?

Harmaatukka
30th Jan 2016, 16:48
i still dont get why ppl hate steam so much... in my point of view this whole launcher thing is unnecessary and unneedingly resourceconsuming...
the launcher only fixates the idea that there will never be a trading system. friendslist, avatars, heck even square enix account link was there before, in steam. The launcher makes things so much more complicated. For example i always have steam open on my pc, cause its my main source of games and stuff, with the launcher i have to do 3+ extra steps before i can play(starting launcher, logging in in launcher, closing/minimizing launcher, etc.). Also if Nosgoth gets completly anti steam, how am i supposed to check how good/experienced my opponents/teammates are before a match? i cant look up their hours spent in the game anymore then...
and i didnt even mention the problems a lot of players have with the launcher, it being buggy or not working at all.
so pls remind me why exactly nosgoth needs its own launcher?

If it was unnecessary, I really doubt they would go through all the trouble of making one, like Ryan said before it's about not having to follow Valve's rules and what not.
I don't see how any of those features you list will require Steam to be the backend, any database can hold and link usernames and avatars and so on.
This launcher is still in its early stages, I'm pretty sure it will reach a state where you can just click a Nosgoth shortcut on the desktop which will then launch the launcher, which will log you in automatically and start the game.
Your last complaint is exactly the thing that you should ask yourself if Psyonix ever wanted you to be able to check such things as player information, which is the very reason a launcher is needed I think.

DeadlyMak
14th Feb 2016, 11:44
I know it's something trivial but can you please make a add friend option i mean without steam system because to add a someone in steam you should have bought atleast a game that cost 5dollar and for some players (like me^^ ) that created a steam account just to play nosgoth ..... you know its just somthing ridiculous to buy a game to get a add friend option and then use it in other game like nosgtoh (and btw i am not the only one who is not familiar with using the steam in nosgoth ^^) so yeah i wish if you can make your own adding friend system in the game and ofcourse i will be very thankful to that (sorry for my bad english )

Exactly, It's weird that noone else brought this up. Steam making social functions behind paywall is a major issue. It's good to hear that it's being sorted out!



Using the Nosgoth Launcher, you'll be able to add friends without making a Steam purchase (as you'll be using a different friend system).

I hope this feature gets in by this month.

Zarxiel93
14th Feb 2016, 22:07
Little question for the italian translate, if I make it (totally for free), you can add it? (I mean the text, not the dub of corse)

Oghamsmith
15th Feb 2016, 14:09
Little question for the italian translate, if I make it (totally for free), you can add it? (I mean the text, not the dub of corse)

Thank you for the offer. It's very kind. We're not in a position proceed with such an offer at this moment in time. Hopefully we can look at getting Italian localisation in place later down the line.

Zarxiel93
16th Feb 2016, 17:43
Thank you for the offer. It's very kind. We're not in a position proceed with such an offer at this moment in time. Hopefully we can look at getting Italian localisation in place later down the line.
Understand, well, I wanted help because I pratically grow up with Legacy of Kain, and is still my favourite game series (alog with Kingdom Hearts) (my nick Zarxiel is the anagram of Raziel with a X :P). So i Really hope in future to see it :)

DeadlyMak
19th Feb 2016, 13:46
So it's been 3 weeks since you posted this thread. Any ETA on when it will be implemented?

Can't wait to play a team game where i can actually pick my team.

Also is it necessary to redownload the whole game when we actually switch to the standalone version?

Nurgor
15th Mar 2016, 07:16
no automatic friendslist copy from steam so far, pls do that fast

Lukksepp
15th Mar 2016, 10:54
That is all nice, that you are making this for people who don't want steam.
But as I use steam daily, i'd love if i'd have my steam friends list in nosgoth as before and also that I could have my steam name and avatar instead of the square enix one as everyone in nosgoth knows my by those. I really would like to put my own picture instead of choose one from those provided. (I know I can change the name, but my name is shorter than 6 characters in steam).

Thanks!

Da_Wolv
15th Mar 2016, 11:14
That is all nice, that you are making this for people who don't want steam.
But as I use steam daily, i'd love if i'd have my steam friends list in nosgoth as before and also that I could have my steam name and avatar instead of the square enix one as everyone in nosgoth knows my by those. I really would like to put my own picture instead of choose one from those provided. (I know I can change the name, but my name is shorter than 6 characters in steam).

That we all want, I'm sure..
what I want the most, however, is FOR IT TO WORK! -.-

Thanks!

MasterShuriko
15th Mar 2016, 11:17
I just want to play the game. But instead I get this:
http://forums.eu.square-enix.com/showthread.php?t=187095

GanonPCP
25th Mar 2016, 15:09
Meh, I don't like this. I'm a Steam user, I really like Steam. Having the launcher inbetween Steam and the game was enough of a nuisance before but now, not being able to use my Steam username and avatar is just really bad. Ok, my username is almost the same, but not exactly. The launcher had a Little "edit" button next ot the name, but after using it and launching the game, it still said GanonPCP.
Looking at my friends list, some people use different names as well and for some I'm not even sure who they are.
Also, there are so few avatars that there's not much personality to it. Seeing all these different Steam avatars in the lobby was much more fun. It's about expressing yourself, you know.

Roy644
25th Mar 2016, 22:06
So... The game decided that my Steam account wasn't linked anymore. I did remake the link on the website, but impossible to get past the infinite linking message in-game... Now, my pseudo in-game isn't synchronized with my current Square Enix pseudo and it's impossible to play with friends. Same things for 2 of my buddies.

I'm getting tired of your ****, seriously. I've been patient, I've been courteous, but this launcher is ridiculous, can't take it anymore. I'm guessing this is more SE fault than Psyonix fault, but that's not my problem. Fix the damn thing, make it work. If I can't play with friends or change my in-game pseudo, I won't play anymore. You're just making things worse for the game and the playerbase with these stupid decisions. LET ME CHOOSE STEAM ONLY OR LAUNCHER ONLY FOR CHRIST SAKE.

GanonPCP
26th Mar 2016, 23:38
The launcher had a Little "edit" button next ot the name, but after using it and launching the game, it still said GanonPCP.

Well, only one day later the game registered the change and now uses the name displayed in the launcher. At least that's something...

Sasha_Vykos
29th Mar 2016, 07:08
I would like to ask to the devs: Are u satisfied about your launcher? Did u conquer the desktop?

Roy644
29th Mar 2016, 08:26
I would like to ask to the devs: Are u satisfied about your launcher? Did u conquer the desktop?

Funny question. It would be incredibly worrying if they were satisfied with a system that prevent people from playing with their friends and that is utterly broken. Even if the aforementioned launcher did actually help them "conquer the desktop"

Ryugan34
31st Mar 2016, 23:12
Whats the point of your launcher if people can change their name as many times as they did on steam ?
+ It doesnt even work well, as your whole game btw .

wortelriandu
31st Mar 2016, 23:44
Whats the point of your launcher if people can change their name as many times as they did on steam ?
+ It doesnt even work well, as your whole game btw .

Not even the forums work like they should, they just come up with more and more "bright" ideas, and the buggs presist. When first saw the launcher I thought to myself "well now I wont have the anoying game start crash, this is probably to fix such issues" WRONG, still have to try to start my game 5/10 times till it actually starts, PLUS sometimes the launcher doesn't load and also crashs. So twice the bugs and twice the amount of time and patience I have to put in starting the game.
They should have kept their game on steam, and maybe get some items to be good for trading in the market, instead I have to open two diferent softwares to start one game, at least steam we can use to chat while ingame.
Should I mention the leavers problem, the bad penaltys for leavers and afk's? (afk some games =2 days ban, Leave games =10mins), or the game finding problems that ruined league for me last month.
Its a shame because this game could be played by alot more ppl right now and its actually a good and fun game, no need for this 2 gb updates, just fix ****.